Some questions about Islam/Sufism/Guénon. I have contemplated conversion...

Some questions about Islam/Sufism/Guénon. I have contemplated conversion, but there are some doctrinal misunderstandings I still have and even the local imams have not given me satisfactory answers

Let us assume an example: man follows a halal diet as described, but his wife is a dishonest woman. So let us assume that even the eggs are fried secretly in pork fat, but the wife tells that it is halal. This goes on for decaded, the man consuming massive amounts of pig fat. Still living otherwise pious life: he is not granted a place in Paradise because of all the unclean food he has consumed during his life and he is not much better than the unbelievers or kuffars in general

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From my understanding as a nonmuslim if someone were served haram food told it was halaal its all good. Same if he was forced to consume pig or alcohol or something. Again dont quote me on this

I don't think it works this way

a whore could tell a married man that it is not haram to fuck her out out wedlock, it still is forbidden by God

Another example: man raises his sheep and goat with great care: he watches they do not eat feces and other unclean things, he prays with the goats and washes the sheep regularly

Upon butchering, he brings them to a local butcher who he trusts, but in secret: when they butcher the animal, the butcher is a kuffar who sacrifices the animals to his idols and totem fetish tribal gods: thus the animals the pious man raised have become haram and thus they both end up in Hell during the Judgement Day

Because he would already know that it is wrong to fuck out of wedlock.

It's predicated on two things:

1. The person understand what is and isn't Haram.
2. In good faith they attempt to follow these rules.

It is not following the rules in good faith to fuck a whore just because she tells you that it's okay because the mere act of fucking her is itself the problem. Conversely it is okay to eat something which you have been told is Halal by someone you would not have any reason to distrust (your wife) because you have made a good faith effort to follow the law. The person who has done wrong is the wife, not the man.

The difference is here that in the case of the married man he doesn't know the law, which is necessary to be a good muslim; he is faulty in this case.
In the food example the man is unaware and doesn't actively break the law.
Imagine this: a man lives a pious life, but every night his servant sedates him and buggers him. Would God condemn him for faggotry even though he always obeyed God's word?
The key is obedience.

I also had problems with islamic Hell because it sseems that the torment and length of time itself seems a bit mismatched

Say a man is a banana thief in this life: he consumes them with great hunger and desire. He steals the bananas of his neighhboring vilages and he does not stop even when Allah reveals him in a dream that it is wrong to steal the yield. The neighbors do not still think much of it, but the vast amounts stolen by years exceed over the greatest yields of the Paradises loftiest garden

Then we have someone like Hitler but he kills the believers: he will be judgemented to Hell too

> kuffaar will abide in Hell for eternity and will never come out, and it will never cease to exist. When taken all together this view is very strong and there is no room for misinterpretation .

in this same place both the banana thief and Hitler type of man will abide for eternity for they are not judged by the magnitude of the evil deeds done in this life but by the disobeyance of the revealed scripture and rules

the man is not blamed because he didn't intentionally consume the food, his wife will be punished

I genuinely can't believe people don't see Guenon as the disingenuous idiot he really is and anyone who isn't culturally Islamic who converts to Islam is genuinely a living meme.

But is not the man unclean and deserve the purifying flames of Jannahh?

I cannot see the man entering Paradise if all the food and nourishment he consumed in his life was unclean

No, he was unaware of what he was consuming, his wife lied to him, therefore, it is his wife that will be punished. God will forgive him because he did not knowingly consume what he consumed.
any Imam will tell you this
I'm not even a Muslim lmao

But I cannot see how man can sit in the paradise with the holies if he reeks of the pig lard and uncleanliness of his wifes whoredom and sorceries

There are levels of hell. The lowest levels are the ones with the crazy torture and the higher levels are just kind of hot and draining. The higher levels are where good nonbelievers go. Also the permanent hell thing isn't universally agreed on since there are hadiths about anyone who has an atoms grain of faith being saved as well as some about hell eventually being empty and the Quran verses about people being put there for ages(i.e. Finite periods). Plus in Islam your intentions determine your place in hell not your actions. For example one of the leading generals of Muhammad killed innocents but only because of a misunderstanding where he mistook them for the enemy. Muhammad condemned him for it but didn't strip him for his rank.

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Open your eyes. The man will be rid of his uncleanliness. As I said, God will forgive him, it will not be considered a sin because he did not consume it (the pig) knowingly. He will not reek or be unclean because of it. If I'm not mistaken, in a state of starvation the consumption of pig is permissible, there will be no sin *applied*. Would not the same be true for he who, unaware, is tricked into doing so?
It is not the consumption of pig that is the problem. What matters is the mindset and situation.
Also, I highly doubt pig is forbidden in Paradise where the believers are said to enjoy the finest wine.

Catholic here. These thought experiments seem to be based in the idea that you might find a loophole that damns extra people. From a Catholic perspective that would be the sin of pride and signal a lack of faith in God's judgment above your own. That's not to say you'd go to hell for it, since it's up to God, but you wouldn't be being saved by your virtue but by God's grace if you did. I don't know how Muslims view pride and believing yourself to be a better judge of character than God, but I recommend against you ever thinking about joining Catholicism unless and until you shed yourself of that haughtiness.

That doctrine is intrinsically shirk and one of the most unforgivable sins.

But what are you saying that we are not to pass judgement among those who commit whoredom, adultery and theft?

In halal countries the thieves hands are chopped: we make the judgement of their parts to lose

So as we take away the hands of the body of the thief the soul will be taken by god but do not think that we share the bench in paradise with the thief for he shall burn in eternity after being punished in this life and after punished in the other so it will be double trouble for him

First he must sufer in this life to sufer eternity in flames

Everything is shirk except Wahhabi terrorism, and forcing people to convert to Islam, isn't it?

Is PAradise to share with the kuffar and drink wine in fornication?

No. It means you cannot pass judgement on matters in a way contrary to what God commands.
Shirk is associating partners with Allah or calling someone superior to Allah. Most other innovations are just bidah which can range from good deeds to major but not unforgivable sins.

You're pretty stupid. Try thinking.

What you are saying is that Paradise is reserved for those who eat pork, those who break the commandments of Allah, those who (without knowledge) commit fornication and haram acts: for those is paradise reserved?

Then it is not Paradise, but purgatory of Jannah

>I've considered converting
that's where you went wrong
why convert to sandniggerism?

Are you tagging me wrong? I never said anything similar to this. Paradise is a place of bliss where despite the material the greatest bliss is understanding and comprehending Allahs presence. The wine itself in Jannah is stated not to intoxicate.

Also what do you earn without knowledge?

If you believe that committing a sin unknowingly is as bad as committing a sin knowingly, then yes, your conception of God will condemn both types of sinners to hell.
I doubt however that this is commonly accepted doctrine at all. Is God not merciful? Will God not forgive those who sin unwillingly?

Mean*

just my parting shot
be aware if you let this french rat talk you into pisslam, you're just as much of a disgusting, lowly traitor as he is

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>Traitor
But I'm a native Paki. Also this retard got assault weapons banned in his own country lmao.

Let me remind you of Sura 18, ayat (verses) 65–82 Al Kahf,

>Moses promises to be patient and obey him unquestioningly, and they set out together. After they board a ship, the Servant of God damages the vessel. Forgetting his oath, Moses says, "Have you made a hole in it to drown its inmates? Certainly you have done a grievous thing." The Servant reminds Moses of his warning, "Did I not say that you will not be able to have patience with me?" and Moses pleads not to be rebuked.

>Next, the Servant of God kills a young man. Moses again cries out in astonishment and dismay, and again the Servant reminds Moses of his warning, and Moses promises that he will not violate his oath again, and that if he does he will excuse himself from the Servant's presence. They then proceed to a town where they are denied hospitality. This time, instead of harming anyone or anything, the Servant of God restores a decrepit wall in the village. Yet again Moses is amazed and violates his oath for the third and last time, asking why the Servant did not at least exact "some recompense for it."

>The Servant of God replies, "This shall be separation between me and you; now I will inform you of the significance of that with which you could not have patience. Many acts which seem to be evil, malicious or somber, actually are merciful. The boat was damaged to prevent its owners from falling into the hands of a king who seized every boat by force. And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them. God will replace the child with one better in purity, affection and obedience. As for the restored wall, the Servant explained that underneath the wall was a treasure belonging to two helpless orphans whose father was a righteous man. As God's envoy, the Servant restored the wall, showing God's kindness by rewarding the piety of the orphans' father, and so that when the wall becomes weak again and collapses, the orphans will be older and stronger and will take the treasure that belongs to them."

do you think God forgives man just because of apparent purities despite his impurities? Does the man not reek of pork and whoredom of his fornication and lust? Even though innocent?

Surely Moses was wrong an Al-Khidr was right: for Khidr, as agent of God, was fit to pass judgement on the humans as he will, just like the man who without knowledge and proper understanding may break the commandments of Allaah so is he forbidden from the fruits of Jannah even if his acts were pure and innocent

then follow whatever god you want to follow, I don't care. I'm just warning impressionable whites desperate for belonging not to buy into this traitor's disingenuous albeit florid taqqiya.
>assault weapons banned
he said in his manifesto he wanted that to happen
>hurrrr his actions got the precise reaction he anticipated what a retard lol
not enough of a retard to join pisslam though, lmao

No there's actually a whole test for those who couldn't get Gods message in the afterlife. A Prophet appears to them and gives them the message and after that tells them to walk into fire. If they get too afraid they are not saved and otherwise they go to heaven.
>he said in his manifesto he wanted that to happen
I know but it's extremely dumb nonetheless. Accelerationism is one of the most wishy washy anarcho traditionalist ideologies out there.

>No there's actually a whole test for those who couldn't get Gods message in the afterlife. A Prophet appears to them and gives them the message and after that tells them to walk into fire. If they get too afraid they are not saved and otherwise they go to heaven.

What is fire to the purifying and cooling sweet waters of Jannah?

But the question is: you think roasted pork smells in Jannah? Or that dogs and other filthy animals roam around the gardens of Allaah and dog feces pollute it?

Impurity is not part of the Paradise, like wrong doers are not part of the ones who enter

halal and kosher are the most gruesome bullshit I've ever seen, why the fuck would you want to follow a diet based on unnecessary torture is beyond me

Halal and kosher slaughter cause less pain and damage to the animal compared with bolts and volts to the brain. You're more likely to get wasted meat and a tortured animal with normal slaughterhouses.

Purity is unnecessary to you? You eat with dogs?

God said Judgment is mine, I shall repay. Catholicism maintains that even the lowest may be saved by the grace of God if He so chooses and to think humans have the knowledge, grace or judgment to pass eternal judgment on even their own souls, let alone others', is apostasy.
>But what are you saying that we are not to pass judgement among those who commit whoredom, adultery and theft?
For Catholics, yes. After all, who are you to judge?

The Holy Man can taste from the flesh of the animal if it was done Justice or Rightousness

There is a story of Imam Yusuf Suleyman, who upon tasting the stew made by a dishonest and evil woman, picked up a bone of a swine from the soup and to the rest of the villagers showed her whoredom and sorceries

The Holy Man, having partaken in the bliss of the dhikr having tasted the premature fruits of the scented Garden of Abdullah (Abdullah = he whom serves God):

Truly: he is even able to tell from the water he drinks if a kuffar has swam in it thus polluted it with his uncertainty of Allaah