The source of almost all problems, ills, degeneracy, shamelessness and misery in the world is technology, society and civilisation.
Think of something, anything that seems wrong in your mind. 99 times out of 100, the source problem is the trio of modern evils. Now you can agree or disagree of course, but let's say for the time being you agree. Where does that leave us? Well all the typical "goals" in life are now ashes in your mouth. A job? For what? To support and extend your own suffering? Well what about family, a wife and children. Why? So you can be even more entrenched in modern slavery and receive zero respect from your wife or children because everyone and everything who isn't you is telling them they're special snowflakes who deserve the moon and should bail at the first sign of hardship or even boredom? NO. No no no no no. If you accept the premise that society is flawed at its foundations and spawns mental illness, suffering and misery then you have to accept the harsh reality that you will not only be physically alone for the rest of your life, you will be mentally and spiritually stranded on an Island in the middle of the Atlantic because only a handful of people in your country would even be able to accept this line of reasoning.
So you're completely alone, with no interest in family, work or society. Your only options are living alone in the mountains or woods, under constant persecution from the government. Or you kill yourself. Everything else is just futile rebelliousness. You can spend the rest of your life trying to figure out why you feel like there's something fundamentally wrong with existence or you can accept what I'm saying and realise we're playing in a casino where the manager has rigged every fucking table and machine in the building. There are no winning moves, there is no great heist, and you're stuck here until some universal force of nature fucks our shit so hard we get pushed to the point of extinction. We're living in the twilight years, the decadent downfall, the end times. People just won't realise it until we're gone.
>The problems of society are caused by society Well done. The rest of your sad rant is cliche and pointless. Start organising for a better society. Do your part.
Isaiah Green
>start organising for a better society surely with that 13 %?
Jason Rodriguez
>Assimilate >Participate >Refine >Repeat after me: "Hi, how're you today?"
Sebastian Young
Or kill yourself my man, I really don't care.
I enjoyed Fight Club too mate.
Hudson Hughes
>The source of all human problems is society/civilization. Woah, how are you so smart? That's like saying the source of all dirt is Earth.
Juan Ross
>Capitalist: technology is your enemy Capitalists say this about everything though
Camden Adams
>Society is fundamentally fucked >Yeah well just like DO YOUR PART bro! Fix it bro! Get involved! Stop posting
Cameron Butler
There would be no capitalism without civilisation. Politics would be unnecessary and defunct.
Grayson Harris
Friendly reminder that redditors will turn on themselves in the end. The downvote cannot survive outside of its natural habitat.
Sorry mate yes we should all stew in our own genius and give each other asspats for spouting actual we live in a society memes
Jacob Mitchell
>Everything is fine, go back to work, don't question the order of things, consume and work, consume and work
Brandon Gutierrez
I'm a Marxist you fucking dork. It's precisely because everything is very far from fine that we need something slightly more substantive than just going back to '''nature''' or whatever dumb shit OP probably had in mind
Levi Perez
Th- what? There has never been a civilized society under capitalism. It drives classism and poverty, wars and greed. Money and the power it affords seem to be what drives us to incivility. Ridding ourselves of this system ought to give us a chance for actual civilization. Politics would be more democratic, unrecognizable from its current monster.
Matthew Gutierrez
None of your esoteric spins on communism, capatalism, nationalism or whateverthefuckism will ever work. As out there as a return to nature sounds, it's honestly the most sensible and realistic option.
Camden Hernandez
You're a woman, so you don't understand men, who rule the world.
Men like to conquer one another, men like violence, men like to be independent and to forge their own way in life. You can sit there and pretend that if we just all agreed to share and be fair to each other, life would be a utopia but that's an incredibly childish and naive belief to have. If life were to be defined by a single scene, it would be a freeze frame of a lion biting the throat out of a zebra.
Asher Phillips
A return to nature is just as irrational as the other systems. We're too far gone. You can try to save yourself and yourself only
Chase Williams
>We're too far gone Not yet we're not.
Many would die but humanity would survive. We'd adapt to the wild again and within a few generations it'd be like we never left. If we continue on the road we're on, we really won't be able to go back and later down the line it won't be a choice anymore.
A solar flare decimates us in 2680, we're left with nothing, only we're so used to 100% pure water and artifical food with perfect composition that we would die if we tried to live in the wilderness. Humanity would be so far divorced from nature we'd be like a rejected artificial lung.
Charles Wright
>critique of isms from a primititivist With climate change making large swathes of ground infertile/inhospitable your retarded solution will make even less sense as the century goes on than it always has. Socialism, more specifically, planned economy, is the only thing that gives us a chance of dealing with this stuff effectively. Nothing esoteric about that.
Michael White
>With climate change making large swathes of ground infertile/inhospitable A myth, propagated by society for its own benefit. The Earth goes through cycles of warmth and cooling, humanity has no effect on this and it's the height of ego to assume we do.
Levi Reed
>Climate denialism It used to be considered the 'height of ego' to claim that peasants should be literate, I don't give a shit what you personally consider egotistical. You can think one of three things: either climate change is real but not affected by humans and therefore unavoidable, in which case we need to find a way to colonise Mars or some shit to maximise our chance of survival, it's real and affected by humans, in which case we need to take large scale, concerted social action to prevent the ill effects, or its not real whatsoever, in which case we're free to maximise living standards without worrying.
Justin Hall
The earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling, humans don't affect this in any way.
Dylan Ross
That still doesn't specify between options 1 and 3. Doesn't matter though, primitivism remains a fantasy.
Aaron Fisher
The only fantasy is thinking any political ism will make life better
Tyler White
Besides yours of course, same as the rest of us.
Christian Hall
Primitivism isn't political, economical or sociological.
It shouldn't even need a name because it's not a choice or some abstract theory, it's what we were designed for and lived for hundreds of thousands of years. It's not an ism.
Eli Gomez
>Primitivism isn't political Cringe. If we're not living in nature right now then it's necessarily a choice lmao. Regardless, we could've lived 100 million years in your primitivist Eden, I'd still rather shit in a toilet than the local river. Ignoring the fact that there's too many of us to live that way anymore anyway, and thus, social and economic planning is required.
Christopher Jackson
>If we're not living in nature right now then it's necessarily a choice lmao Yes, just look at all the people who the government "allows" to live off the land, not pay taxes etc. Totally a choice. Retard.
William Bennett
>Ignoring the fact that there's too many of us to live that way anymore anyway So they die. So what. This isn't a problem like you think it is.
Jackson Carter
I mean as a collective social arrangement, the decision to have our species 'return to nature' is necessarily a choice, since we - as in (nearly) the entire population of the planet - are not in that situation currently. Not 'You, as an individual, have the "right" to live off the land already, so why not go do it and stop complaining?' you frothing retard.
No, they decide they don't want that, decide to keep industrial society, and use it to kill the primitivists who want them dead, who themselves either have to re-industrialise, win a war against the overwhleming majority of the global population who aren't willing to just die, and then de-industrialise, or convince them of your arguments (doing great on that front so far), or accept your defeat and kill yourselves/renounce your ideals.
>I mean as a collective social arrangement, the decision to have our species 'return to nature' is necessarily a choice Yes, just like we all got together one day and "decided" to start civilisation. It arose out of decadent living, out of a surplus of food from the discovery of agriculture. It's not a choice to return to nature, it's the only rational course for anyone who wants what's best for himself.
>No, they decide they don't want that, decide to keep industrial society Then mental illness increases, suicide increases, disease increases, quality of life decreases, birth rates decrease, misery increases. But you'll have your chocolate cake and your 500" tv so who cares right?
Dylan Green
Trying to improve your standard of living so as not to be forced into a lifetime of scrabbling in the dirt for grubs and fending off disease and wild animals isn't 'decadent living' mate. The fact you could even describe it as such displays a level of self-hatred that's frankly pathetic. Also, drawing an equivalency between industrial society and consumerism is an ideological choice on your part, not an accurate description of reality. There's no reason we can't have industrial society without consumerism. But even if we couldn't have that, the problems you describe are still infinitely preferable to the problems that would accompany any attempt to 'go back to nature' on any large scale.
Wyatt Fisher
You are the source of problems. Your words spell hopeless darkness. I hide you and you disappear. Vanishing is how you belong.
Camden Jackson
>a lifetime of scrabbling in the dirt for grubs and fending off disease and wild animals If you live in europe or north america it's nothing like that you ignorant faggot. It's berries and fruit and high protein meat as often as you can hunt it. Yeah, you'll go a few days where you eat nothing sometimes, but we were made for that. Why do you think obesity is such an epidemic?
Three square meals a day is decadence, having left over food to sell after a harvest is decadence.
Chase Flores
I almost wish we were living in twilight years. At least i'd have something exciting to look forward to, and a socially acceptable reason to commit suicide. But in reality humans will survive for thousands of years to come, we're not going anywhere anytime soon. That's what I think of it. Modern life is so devoid of passion, so drained of of any sense of purpose, solely due to the fact that people can share all their experiences online, and make us realize nothing we do is unique. We're just fighting over tiny little niches in society, and those with the most efficient brain will fit into that niche. The rest will live a mediocre life, in which they have to delude themselves in order to have the motivation to get up in the morning.
Aaron Peterson
I have nothing important to say except nice Blue Spring picture, underrated movie
Ian Perry
I’m not sure about this. I’ve read about rising Co2 levels, farm land going bad, stuff like that. It’s possible we may go extinct in phases
Logan Morales
I'm well aware of the fact that pre-agricultural life wasn't necessarily as brutal as was previously supposed, you preening faggot. That doesn't change the fact that they lived a life of utter deprivation compared to us. 'Going hungry for a few days' is something you can shrug off if you want, but the reality is any social system that necessitates that carries a number of implications about its total incapacity. Again, even if we ignore the fact that climate change makes the life you speak of impossible, there's also the Anthropocene and millennia of domestication eradicating that high protein meat you're blathering on about. I assume you at least concede that's a real process, not one made up by the Jews or whatever it is you think? As well as all the problems I mentioned earlier of course. Ultimately though I don't give a shit what you consider 'decadent', it makes no difference to me, and I'll continue to consider three meals a day and a life beyond subsistence farming as not only desirable, but necessary if we want to face the problems of this century in a decisive manner. And I can count on the overwhelming majority of the planet agreeing with me, so your whining is no problem.
Liam Howard
Not the user you’ve been arguing with, but I want to ask if you think humans in this age of massive inequality and propaganda are capable or organizing to transition to a society like you mentioned above.
Nathan Morgan
Best soundtrack too
Isaiah Gutierrez
In all likelihood probably not in any major way without some sort of massive crisis in my opinion. Possibly some sort of financial crash with wide-ranging effects, possibly ecological meltdown, I don't know. But I think we can definitely begin building institutions of alternative ownership, counter-hegemony, ideological opposition - in short, what Lenin called 'Dual Power'. That'd reduce the 'need' for/duration of a protracted crisis.
Levi King
Read McLuhan
Elijah Stewart
we won't. humans will survive one way or another I'm sure. There's just too many of us, we will figure something out as we always have
Sebastian Mitchell
Move to Vancouver, British Columbia with me user. We will start an artist collective to fulfill the stifled power process of modern society
Levi Evans
>Think of something, anything that seems wrong in your mind. 99 times out of 100, the source problem is the trio of modern evils. I thought of fire ants
You'll forgive me if I don't take advice from a porn addicted degenerate who probably spams and participates in those pathetic "oh my god guys random instagram mentally ill thot is my waifu".
Hudson Ward
Savannah Brown is an author bro. It's not normal or healthy to be upset. Instead, exercise. You'll feel better and will contribute more.
Cooper Cooper
>men like to be independent And this propensity is countered by the former terms, which are, if we are to believe you, not going to go away if we cease these independence confounding systems. So why not try it? Why fear its spread so much? Truth is, you bullies and toadies are just two sides of the same coward
Jordan Sanders
>Savannah Brown is an author bro >“And when you start to drown in these petty expectations / you better examine the miracle of your existence / because you’re worth so much more than your waistline / you’re worth the beautiful thoughts you think” So you're either a pathetic orbiter or you have incredibly shit taste in literature. Which one is it?
Chase Bennett
Speak english you stupid whore, the fuck are you on about?
Isaiah Taylor
Yawn. Do better
Wyatt Sanchez
Are you that user? Read it in context.
>Bitches and moans when one does better Lazy bitch
Matthew Bennett
>Are you that user? Yes >Read it in context. I did and I have no clue what you're rambling about. Are you saying communism will stop men wanting independence or that primitivism will or what?
Liam Green
I said men only rent freedom. The vast majority have no real independence in this system of conquest. The winners are both loathed and protected by a lot of like minded toadies. The new system I offer (it’s known as anarchism, but how it comes abou and it’s final form is up to society at large. It is not about enforcing what I want, but giving said freedoms to the masses who will make a better alternative) the one I talk about often enough, offers genuine freedom, independence. It is not naive to show how we can escape this prison
Dominic Smith
You know what offers the only real freedom? Primitivism.
There's a loose rule of "ok within our 50 person strong tribe, don't start shit" and literally anything else goes. You can even fuck off on your own and do literally anything you want.
Eli Anderson
Stating the facts, Sir. She's published. What exercise programming are you completing today, silly man?
>You can do anything you want as long as its dying in childbirth, incest, or throwing wooden sticks at pigeons for sustenance kek
Luis Wood
Using a knife to castrate me would be technoheresy user, so unless he's chewing off my testes with his fucking teeth, I'd imagine boiwives are a no go
David Morales
Please don't post lustful images, thanks.
Elijah Taylor
People were probably a lot more civil back then, what with the risk of the guy you're talking to bashing your head in with a rock.
Joseph Lewis
Anything up to the spear/knife/bow is as far as technology is allowed to go.
Nicholas Hall
>spears knives and bows Too far gone, that's practically quantum computing. You'll be at modernity again before the century's done. Gl enforcing that in your primitivist police state tho user
Ryan Walker
*a lot more civil to people stronger than them
Luke Stewart
If you were a weak man, you'd die early.
Strength doesn't make a huge difference if you bash a guys brains in as he sleeps.
Luis Carter
irl strong men created systems that benefited them, hired others to do the work for them and became weak over time from idleness, so I guess it doesn't matter either way
Brayden Brooks
Going directly to a state of primitivism isn’t very desirable to 99.5% of people. But if we embrace technology to he point of transforming ourselves so that we won’t need the creature comforts of a home or much in the way of possessions, I think many would live that way. Technology would also aid in the process of rewilding the world. So I agree with you, I just think it’s a later sage that will take time to catch on with most.
When we offer the general public a better way of doing things, they will take it.
Parker Ross
The postmodern meltdown of culture into the economy is triggered by the fractal interlock of commoditization and computers: a transscalar entropy-dissipation from international trade to market-oriented software that thaws out competitve dynamics from the cryonics-bank of modernist corporatism. Commerce re-implements space inside itself, assembling a universe exhaustively immanent to cybercaptial functionality. Neoclassical (equilibrium) economics is subsumed into computer-based nonequilibrium market escalations, themed by artificial agencies, imperfect information, sub-optimal solutions, lock-in, increasing returns, and convergence. As digitally micro-tuned market metaprograms mesh with techoscientific soft engineering positive nonlinearity rages through the machines. Cyclonic torsion moans.
The Superiority of Far Eastern Marxism. Whilst chinese materialist dialectic denegativizes itself in the direction of schizophrenizing systems dynamics, progressively dissipating top-down historical destination in the Tao-drenched Special Economic Zones, a re-Hegelianized æwestern marxism' degenerates from the critique of political economy into a state-sympathizing monotheology of economics, siding with fascism against deregulation. The left subsides into nationalistic conservatism, asphyxiating its vestigial capacity for æhot' speculative mutation in a morass of æcold' depressive guilt-culture.
Neoconservatism junks palaeorevolutionism because it understands that postmodern or climaxed-cynicism capital is saturated by critique, and that it merely clocks-up theoretical antagonism as inconsequential redundancy. Communist iconography has become raw material for the advertising industry, and denunciations of the spectacle sell interactive multimedia. The left degenerates into securocratic collaboration with pseudo-organic unities of self, family, community, nation, with their defensive strategies of repression, projection, denial, censorship, exclusion, and restriction. The real danger comes from elsewhere.
