If you want to read the most degenerate fantasy novel you've ever read, read "The Barrow". It has it all, incest, necrophilia, faggots, pedos, and sociopaths, while also being a pretty good story. It's edgy as fuck, but the twist at the end is great.
I got bored at the start of the second book For societies are basically good cops: The Rook (protag is amnesiac but in a secret occult society, has a sequel that doubles down on this), The Laundry (lovecraft shit being policed by english bureaucracy) Weird foster home for kids who went to fairyland: Every heart a doorway Weird occult shit is happening and characters go to find out what: Black Sun Rising Also for comics The Invisibles and Hellblazer are too good for this not to mention
I'll try and find of better/more specific recs later but I'm kinda blanking
Levi Kelly
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny is the monthly reading for June! Get hype and also something something Buddha I believe.
Feel free to post your thoughts regarding last months book, There Are Doors, if you have not already.
Just finished the Revelation Space series, I really enjoyed it Reminded me a lot of the Three Body Problem series which I also enjoyed Started on Childhood's End
It's always a weird transition to go from modern sci-fi to golden age stuff
Jackson Jenkins
>Earth is long since dead. On a colony planet, a band of men has gained control of technology, made themselves immortal, and now rules their world as the gods of the Hindu pantheon. Only one dares oppose them: he who was once Siddhartha and is now Mahasamatman. Binder of Demons. Lord of Light.
ok, that sounds cheesy but interesting desu
Luke Jenkins
What does Yea Forums think of The Count of Monte Cristo?
Lucas Moore
Why do so many cut-rate fantasy books have that font with the long-tailed Rs and diamonds in the middle of the Os? What's it called?
The goat revenge fantasy. I wish there was more like it, but less with an old man protag.
Joshua Carter
I got to the bit when he was suddenly sinbad or something and just sort of never carried on with it
Camden Long
KINO
Brody Long
I should contact moderation and have you banned for this post. Don't do it again kid
Nicholas Hall
I'm unbannable, I've changed my IP by the time you read this post "kid".
Christopher Bell
You should read my dick
Kayden Sanchez
Same. He had a follower and was getting high and I lost interest. Didn't feel like the same character.
Adrian Hall
It's too small, my eyes can't see it.
Charles Hall
Based and redpilled.
Dominic King
what chinkshit actually has rape as a battle-tactic? so far all ive seen is a variation of two scenarios: mc is a kid down on his luck who gets lucky and becomes powerful or mc is a reincarnated dude using his previous lifes knowledge to become super powerful. in both of these scenarios women are usually dealt with by dismissing them completely or just killing them. no rape or other things ever occur. now that i think about it chinkshit doesnt seem to be graphic at all. neither in the sex or violence department.
thats because you dont have eyes. you read braille.
Chase King
Recent reads I can recommend:
1. The Black Company - gritty fantasy with good atmosphere. The writing is propulsive. The world isn't very fleshed out, but it's still enjoyable. It's about a mercenary company in a fantasy world were sorcerers and monsters exist, but they are fairly rare. Mostly it's about a war their involved in.
2. Red Rising - kind of an Ender's Game, Hunger Games mashup in space. The plot, a solar system spanning society based on a heirarchy of colors, where each color is genetically engineered for a given role, is a bit weak. Luckily it benefits from interesting characters and the narratives' ability to consistently suprise. The first book starts a bit slow but it really turns into a great series.
The series is a lot better than the admittedly hackneyed premise sounds. It actually shapes out to be a very good setting.
The other sci-fi I read recently was Old Man's War and the Boboverse, which were both enjoyable but not on the same level as Red Rising.
Noah Kelly
I am fuckin SLOGGING through The Stars my Destination. I don't know if it's the pulp-y prose or what. Foyle is a dick, man. What makes the book so popular?
Christopher Brown
I thought Revelation Space was good, but Reynolds' stand alone were actually my favorites. Pushing Ice was kind of meh, but Chasm City and The Prefect are a level up from the main trilogy. Chasm City is my favorite.
He was my go to sci-fi writer before I got into Red Rising. I'm looking for something more hard sci-fi like Revelation Space again. Would the Three Body Problem fit the bill?
Jackson Ramirez
Why yes i love The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
Jason Scott
Nice bait, you hooked me the black company and then I read the rest
Asher Smith
>What makes the book so popular? The las 20 pages
Josiah Cruz
last* i'm a retard
Alexander Brown
Thoughts on Nick Mamatas? I read his "I Am Providence" and thought it was a ridiculously petty caricature of "fan culture", but also had some creepy horror moments with the dead guy in the morgue - are his short stories worth reading, maybe?
Bentley Gonzalez
Cheers, I'll finish tonight. Maybe Lord of Light next with you boys. I really need something comfy to read though.
Dominic Thomas
I don't get how it's bait.
Did I stray from the Yea Forums approved list of things we're allowed to like by citing something too popular?
Lucas Phillips
>writing >seems like story will be around 600k words Is it better to divide it into four 150k parts or three 200k parts? Or maybe even six 100k parts?
half size novels are around 70k words. full size novels are around 120k words. my personal preference is full size but typically most novels are half size". especially in the fantasy department.
as an example. Guards guards is around 100k words. the first lord of the rings is around 550k words. this is considered really big and outside the norm. though typically "epic fantasy" is really hefty. the first hitchhikers guide to the galaxy is around 50k words. and considered half size.
choose what is best suited for your story.
Nolan Ward
Boundless sword intent rang throughout the nine heavens
>1) Nothing sexual beneath the neck, whether daydreams, failed sexy times, or allusions as such. >2)No gov/military corruption, or anything that casts gov in bad light. >3) NO DANMEI (yaoi/shonen-ai), possible jail time >4)No military related romance due to over-exaggeration.
>Topics encouraged: >Lighthearted, slice-of-life novels. Xianxia w/out too much gore. Modern easy reading. Sci-fi (but copyright to be examined in next round of crackdown)
>Horror & military not welcome atm. Fictional historical romance, CEO without snu snu, modern, 'torturous' love themes allowed.
>Standards to be reinforced through 2021, extends to games, vids, and online communities. Some already arrested.
John Moore
Absolutely but in the first book it's set entirely in the modern day, so don't go in expecting a space opera
Wyatt Smith
Literally nothing wrong with this
Nathan Baker
>less violence >"easy reading" >even implied seuxal stuff banned >people have already been arrested only a few of the points bother me, desu
Camden Hall
Random twitter comments by people who enjoy harem or homo dogshit is not to be believed
Kayden Hughes
My life is mundane and boring. I like to pretend to be a horrible person when reading things or playing video games. I don't like it when my entertainment gets neutered because people cant handle violence or morally black/grey choices.
Jaxson Evans
>For fellow translators, the crackdown this time is rather big. Points of interest for readers: >1) Nothing sexual beneath the neck, whether daydreams, failed sexy times, or allusions as such. >2)No gov/military corruption, or anything that casts gov in bad light. >3) NO DANMEI cont.
>WHY CAN'T I HAVE MY GAY BAAAAW heh
Oliver Rogers
How am I convince a publisher to print individual sentences.
Full sized may be best I think. Thank you for the advice.
William Moore
>writing my heart and soul into a story >I hate it
How the fuck do people like King and Sanderson churn so much shit out
sticking to a structured schedule and finding a formula they can just plug variables into. Also when king was really churning shit out he was a heavy speed addict.
Xavier Evans
I've got a plot, and I know how to build up the schedule. My problem is that I'm writing so poorly it's demoralizing
Lincoln Peterson
The only way to get better is to keep writing. Also we all view our own work negatively.
Gabriel Anderson
Am birdboi. Hello. I have found writing far easier while taking intoxicants, far easier to continue writing for long hours. I find it fairly easy to write from 10am to 10pm now. I have been writing between 5000 and 10000 words a day. It seems the first part of the continuation war will be long. I do not know how long.
When should one begin seeking publication? When the first book of a series is done or when they have written all of it?
>tfw even birdboi can write his passions and you can't
Ryder Edwards
>even a bird can do it
Kevin Jenkins
I'd say avoid it while you still have enough momentum to carry you forward at that speed. Your rate of output is honestly incredible and it is not something to risk fucking with. Just keep writing until you run out of steam, and then try to publish whatever stuff you have done
Is this about actual demons or is it some faggy metaphorical name
Daniel Perry
>5-10k a day How long is it even going to be?
Nathaniel Myers
Vance only does faggy metaphorical names.
Ian Kelly
I do not know. If I move at my current pace with my outline perhaps 700000 words for The Mouth of Mist. Further cycles of The Continuation War will be shorter or as long, save for the last which will be longer.
If I write all the cycles, though I doubt I will, it may be 5-8 million words.
Parker Wilson
I just finished reading it. It's what Shadow of The Torturer should have been.
Jacob Nelson
>5-8 million words Birdboi are you insane?
Mason Martinez
big if true I haven't read BotNS
Christian Morris
He's passionate, if nothing else.
Jason Morales
You should. It is quite nice.
There Are Doors or Lord of Light?
Charles Miller
>Thread making skills: -26/10 >Taste: virgin/10
Dominic Johnson
You would surpass The Riftwar Cycle and The Wheel of Time. If you hit 8 million words you would be almost as long as the two combined.
>Outlander Is there a good version of this? Modern person totally unequipped, unprepared and inexperienced (as opposed to an engineer or a history buff, who might be able to know useful/applicable stuff) gets thrown into the past, where they're asically helpless and have to git gud? In Outlander's case, because I'm a tard, I made the mistake of thinking that it'd maybe be about Woman growing into some sort of local manipulator figure that had to work through men... but instead it was "oh let me just cheat on my husband and get pampered.
>holy shit, Worm was that long? >damn, the Black Company was that short? (that can't be the omnibuses, can it?) >Realm of the Elderlings longer than Foreigner
Hunter Martinez
I know it is unlikely I will write it all. Even if I continue at my current pace it will take me over two years of writing without a day of rest to achieve it. Two years then years of editing.
>Is there a good version of this? Modern person totally unequipped, unprepared and inexperienced (as opposed to an engineer or a history buff, who might be able to know useful/applicable stuff) gets thrown into the past, where they're asically helpless and have to git gud? Wandering Inn. Girl gets thrown into a different world with no usable skillset and starts an Inn.
Jason Jenkins
I kept seeing the name mentioned, but was under the impression that it was about some generic anime protagonist guy, and so avoided it. This sounds neat, thanks.
Josiah Sanchez
>no Vorkosigan saga what a waste
Levi Reed
>tfw you may live to see the day birdboi's autism reaching the world stage
Justin Morgan
you gotta take breaks for your health birdboi. cant neglect that shit.
The Empire Trilogy inside Riftwar is pretty nifty as far as these things go. Has a strong female protag where that doesn't mean "she's a girl but dresses and fights like a MAN but better!!1!" like every other trash fantasy.
Stands alone well too, don't need to read all of Riftwar for it.
Matthew Powell
>Stands alone well too IMO it's even better if you've never read Riftwar, because then you won't have foreknowledge of certain events.
Jack Cruz
When did you realize that fantasy featuring mythic hero archetypes developing against a non subversive dark lord is unironically the most intellectual form of writing?
It needs to have an element of Jungian psychoanalysis to be interesting
Brayden Baker
it's not because a dark lord by definition does not have an interesting character
William Morgan
Well, they don't need to be super deep, or a character we spend ages around. Take Maleficent. She's an effective baddie, despite being simple. With a dark lord, it's all about the heroes and the dark lord's minions, who make up the personality half of the antagonist faction. That kind of stuff works. No need to sit around breaking down Sauron's childhood trauma or anything.
Jaxon Lee
They are made interesting in the context of the world and the meta narrative of the story, by the wider metaphysical concept they represent in relation to the heroes psychological development. Having the two pillars of light and dark, eru Iluvitar/Morgoth for example, always the spectrum of moral choices and consequences to be fully realized
Are you Smylie? We said we will read. No need to shill.
Dominic Hall
OP you were in such a hurry to shitpost you fucked up the previous.
Previously:
Ian Green
Because China is censoring chinknovels with rape.
Anthony Richardson
See you in a year. It's over 10k pages and the book isn't even finished as yet.
David White
Is it longer than Worm?
Chase Brown
Anyone actually read the barrow?
Isaac Baker
yes beginning was okay, then they went into the big city to recuperte from what happened there, which amountd to spinning it's wheels for a while before PLOT AN EXCITEMENT happened. thaat was all rifght, cue a bunch of travelling to the titular barrow, which developed a character a bit but was quite dull then the barrow itself, which was some really neat horror fun so basically, the very beginning and the end are the actually good bits, and all the stuff in the middle is to make it the length of a book
Evan Moore
*recuperate *amounted *AND *that *right
just kill me now
Adrian Edwards
not all that often as a tactic but they often would be down to rape a bitch that betrayes them or something
>can't even edit >covers the "what I expected" part Gimp is free, and there are a bunch of other free photo editors that allow floating point manipulation. Paint doesn't.
Robert Lewis
>then the barrow itself, which was some really neat horror fun That part made the book for me. Been trying to find something similar ever since. Apparently the author wrote a sequel, but got into some trademark issues and couldn't publish. But he recently got his rights back.
Jaxon Bell
does it really matter honestly
Cameron Nguyen
>The Pride of Valour >the Girl's Own is a thing now I hope they get absolutely hated and wrecked. I like Winter, but having openly female soldiers in this sort of setting is... interesting, in a bad way. They might be 1800s tech wise, but when it comes to the nobilty, church and social norms, it's more like the 1400s. Maybe the revolutionary government is radically liberal and will force them to be accepted, but as it is all I can see is hatred and backlash. At least Winter still fakes having a peen.
Jeremiah Parker
*The Price of Valour, not Pride I think typos are catchy.
Brandon Reyes
This chart makes me hard.
Thomas Bell
I think the plots join up at the end
Anthony Sullivan
which part makes your pee-pee the biggest?
Gabriel Reyes
didn't know realm of the elderlings was longer than malazon
Alexander Foster
I have a $10 voucher for eBay. Which book should I buy out of; Starship Troopers or I am Legend?
That's a hard one, 'cause they're both good. >Starship Troopers Very military, society is basically Roman Republic, with power armour and spacce bugs instead of Carthaginians. Would Reccomend if you're fond of military sci fi, seeing as it's a classic. >I am Legend Zombie/Vampire apocalypse, and hunting them down as the last human left. It's short and sweet, but great.
Honestly, you'll get more bang for your buck outta SS, but IaL is some great shit. They're both different, so ask yourself if you'd prefer a tasty light snack or a well-done steak.
Christopher Howard
Don’t buy books written by ded ppl
Hunter Gomez
Oh god what a fucking ending. I WANT MORE GOD DAMN IT. God damn it this was so fucking good. I'm so sad its over for now. I cant wait for the sequel.
Just picked up Exhalation by Ted Chiang. Can't wait to read it.
Julian Howard
Who are the Skinnies then, in the Roman Republic parallel?
Dominic Myers
which one has the bigger dick?
Jace Nelson
Tell me what to read from my backlog and why.
Children of Time The Night Circus by Erin Morgenstern The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell Roadside Picnic Children of Time Dark Matter The Executioner's Song The Bartimaeus Trilogy Black Company Night Watch by Sergei Lukyanenko The Poppy War Journey to the End of the Night (Louis-Ferdinand Céline) The Gray House Hawkwood's Voyage Mr. Either/Or
Connor Edwards
Children of Time Roadside Picnic >because I enjoyed them
Jordan Gonzalez
Have we gotten a sample of birdboi's writing yet?
Anthony Myers
I have to say that I really enjoyed Black company.
Jeremiah Adams
seconding black company. I've started Dread Empire because of that, though I find it really weak at the beginning (like, 3 first books) still waiting for massive shenanigans to happen
Jacob Rodriguez
Guys anyone got any prehistoric fiction I've read Evolution by Baxter and i want more stuff like it
Josiah Carter
Thoughts on Unsouled by Will Wight?
Jackson Robinson
I want a Mercy gf
David Brooks
Anyone read fostering faust 3? Is there anything other than harem in this? The set up of book one was completely ignored in book 2.
Wyatt Cox
I wish winter got raped and dicked. Everyone loses to dick in the end.
Asher Cook
I wish winter got raped and dicked. Everyone loses to dick in the end.
Aaron Walker
The library closes at 6 today. I do not know how much writing I will get done. I dread going home.
It’s actually good xianxia because it doesn’t have soulless bugmen “morals”
Chase Foster
The MC sees for the first time one of these things. I decided to call them Fulminants (temporary name) to hint at the lightning-fast action and explosiveness of their strikes. It's in a painting, and the thing itself is highly stylized by the artist so that it looks more like an armour with wings, rather an what it really looks like. The story is coming along fine, I haven't had such a drive to do something in years.
Cripple your hands for me and I won’t kill you for this insult
Ryan Taylor
Honestly the only reason I enjoy any xianxia is because the protagonists have utterly alien morality that seems borderline sociopathic to me. If they had western morals and behaved in a good or bad manner according to them, I'd just be bored
Xavier Brooks
Also because it would be filled with cancerous liberalist tropes that all contemporary fantasy is filled with
Isaiah Bennett
What are you writing today birdboi?
Ian Flores
The same shit he was writing yesterday retard. Quit bothering him with stupid questions, he'll give us an update when he's ready.
Connor Cox
It is ok. I will briefly explain what I am writing today. I completely the chapter of Kitte and Nennek's duel. At the moment I am writing the chapter of The Historian where she receives The Eye of Zohul.
Unfortunately this is what will happen if I describe what I am writing. Brief sentences are meaningless as they have no context.
I envy birdboi and planeboi. They have more passion, drive and confidence than I've had in longer than I can remember. Knowing I can't be that anymore hurts me to the marrow
I am birdboi. Do not let your dreams be only dreams. I have experienced pain. Pain of loss. Pain of body. Pain that I solved with drink. I thought the word lost to me, having left me only a shell. I know I do not write any great masterpiece, but the word has found me again. Dream again, and work again. All we are are our actions.
Adrian King
Autism does that for you.
Noah Johnson
roadside picnic and black company
Easton Parker
I'm doing some cleaning, so I might be able to do that self published chart tomorrow.
Henry Peterson
I can call the word birdboi. I learned how despite myself. What I cannot do is make it obey me. It has not chosen me, and so it fights, and it resists me every step of the way.
but maybe birdboi, I should thank you. A few weeks ago I learned I could control my anger by separating it from myself. I learned that to recognize two sides of me: the bitter, defeated manchild who only seeks to drive me towards self-destruction and misery, and the rational self that both sides recognize has potential. I identified creativity as a property of the manchild, since it seemed to me there had to be a purpose for him. However, I never referred to writing as The Word before, and as a result, I never considered that it might be an entity as well.
Whether that word though is another side of me, or an entity taking up space in my brain is something I still have to learn, but the more I type, the more I can picture him. He's weak. Weaker than the manchild, and easily swayed by his criticisms. Maybe I'll have to step in and defend him, because if he has peace, he can create something that will change the world
Also, holy shit. my coping mechanisms are starting to look like schizophrenia
Owen Green
What's a good fantasy read that isn't outright comedy but has lighthearted moments?
Kevin Davis
I have finished for the day. I have reached 65k words. At my current pace The Mouth of Mist should be finished in only 80 more days, if my outlines are to be believed. I will continue to write. Thank you all. When it is done I will rest then begin The Mouth of Wax while I edit The Mist.
Gavin Moore
Cradle
Jose Fisher
how long have you been writing birdboi?
Brody Cox
My diary desu
Christopher Butler
I finally began the project in earnest 10 days ago.
Easton Martinez
jesus fucking christ. I ended up with about 26k after a month.
admittedly, I work full-time and set small goals, but holy shit. I need to step up my game
Jaxson Davis
Well, this one was weird. There is no actual fantasy in it, other than the uncanny size of the castle, perhaps? Prose is great, characterization is good but there is little to no plot and what there is moves so slowly that by the end I was fairly bored. Don't know if I will even read the sequels, maybe if I'm ever in the mood for very lenghty descriptions and a lot of characters acting in a very theatrical way.
One thing I thought while reading the book is that it would make a good material for a Wes Anderson film. The aristocratic but decadent setting with a lot of meaningless rituals and idiossincratic characters that he loves are all there.
Sadly true, by that point. I'm amazed that it didn't diminish his writing but I suppose he worked with the sound of his sentences as much as reading them. >based Kim Kokkonen
Josiah Powell
I’ve read this book at least 5 times, one of my old favorites.
Grayson Garcia
>65k words in 10 days If I am understanding this correctly, if your series is the same length as say LotR, you'll be done in a little over 2 months.
Isn't that kinda unrealistically fast?
Xavier Johnson
he writes 12h a day it is, yes
Dylan Perez
I generally only write 8-10 hours a day.
Samuel Hall
I struggle to write for two, on a good day. How do you do it?
Ayden Baker
/sffg/, I'm thinking of going back to doing writing prompts on reddit again, but last time I did it it was really demoralizing when I switched back to my novel and my quality took a nosedive. Do you think it's worth it?
Jayden Smith
It helps to have a purposeless and meaningless life. If I didn't write I would be nothing.
honestly birdboi, I have the same thoughts when I write. when I write, or think about writing, the most crushing thought is always that it will be for nothing. There's a 99% chance I won't get published, and if I do there's a 99% chance nobody's going to read it. Even if they do it probably won't be highly rated, and even if it is, it won't matter in a few decades when humanity goes extinct.
Your meaninglessness isn't what makes you special birdboi, it's the fact that you get a sense of meaning from writing that can't be negated by other people. That's something incredible
Juan Sanchez
test
Logan Moore
Three episodes into my fantasy-adventure serial. 33,000 words combined, 11,000 average per episode.
If 100k is novel length then I'll probably stop with episode nine if I want to adapt and publish it as a novel.
Jackson Richardson
I will say I have considered increasing the amount of time I write. Soon I will be moving to a city where the library is open from 7am to 12am, rather than 10am to 9pm in my current city. This will allow me to work longer hours.
I am generally away only 15 hours a day, but I may be able to devote 12-14 of those hours to writing. Really writing is a way to pass time before my own death as I know I do not do anything of import when not writing. It gives me a sense of progression in my life.
Benjamin Sanchez
I really don't go in for the concept of good and evil. Basing all the struggle and conflict on black and white moral grounds is just not in any way interesting. It's also not the traditional hero's journey. It's the christianized version of the hero's journey.
The best stories are conflicts between two strong individuals who have different ideas about how the world should be ex. Illiad, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Berserk
Caleb Cook
Just finished: The Goblin Emperor Very cool novel of above average writing quality, really interesting
About to read Aching God: Iconoclasts
what can you tell me about this Aching God book?
Jacob Cook
yo birdboi if you write so much you gotta give us some pages to review, otherwise ur wasting your time. You need feedback to grow BRO
William Morris
Reading The Black Company. I find it confusing. Not always sure who is who or what I just read. Have to read bits a few times some of the time.
Am I just a brainlet?
Gabriel Collins
It's a fucking slog - 120 pages in and literally nothing happened. I like the style, I like the prose but this is boring me.
Brody Torres
Im going to start "The Wheel of Time", what am i in for?
Also do actually read the sequel first, or do i read everything chronological?
Xavier Mitchell
maybe take short notes on who the characters are?
John Miller
you should write for yourself
stormlight archives
Christian Cooper
How far into it are you? It's confusing and a little impenetrable at first, but by the time the gang have met Raven, you should have at least some vague idea about who's who.
Aaron Williams
waifus and lots of words, I hear it's not that good honestly, I suggest you start something else instead
Camden Kelly
I read 25 pages more. I just can't into this stuff, NOTHING EVER FUCKING HAPPENS.
Chase Ortiz
>ignored me when I told you to avoid Did it to yourself.
Jose James
Start with Eye of the World. Amazing series
Gabriel Gonzalez
Please explain yourself. Every time Gormenghast is mentioned here it's in a shower of praise.
Luis Long
> read everything chronological? do this.
> what am i in for? A good series with some big flaws but the highs are very high indeed.
Andrew Young
Mods banned you for that spam earlier, huh.
Kayden Russell
thats because its great. there is no accounting for shit taste.
I haven't seen one post in this general shitting on Gormenghast before today.
Joseph Russell
Just finished: First Law trilogy. Amazing.
I know everyone talks about the ending, but gotta give a shoutout to the action sequences, I really loved the pacing, constantly bouncing across locations to all the different characters. Would've been great if there were more scenes like that, instead of the snore fest we had in book 2.
Of course 'amazing' doesn't mean 'perfect', some of the characters were underdeveloped and stupid Bethod making the classic bad guy mistake by not killing Logen immediately. WTF did the queen think would happen by refusing to fuck the king? Do your duty, retard, you can have a side chick, you're the fucking queen.
Gonna keep reading the series, but how tf do you top that man, where do you even go from there.
Robert Garcia
>Night Watch by Sergei Lukyanenko Children of time is pretty lit
Ethan Cruz
Hi newfriend. People just get tired saying the same shit for literal years.
Benjamin Roberts
Oh yeah. The queen was a lesbian. Our boy gloktha had to set her straight (hehehe).
Need more books where lesbians are forced to take dick and pretend to be loving.
Gabriel Ortiz
Recommend me some feminism-core essentials.
Jayden Myers
Victoria.
Levi Taylor
Dune and le Guin
Levi Allen
So that you can avoid them, r-right?
Easton Ortiz
don't lie to me. I picked it up hoping for a rare book with corruption elements, instead everything is glossed over. characters are underdeveloped when in a good corruption story you need double the development and the cast is bloated so no one even gets time for anything. only thing randi corrupted was William D. Arand's writing, to a point that Im convinced that they are the same guy.
Adam Garcia
No
Kevin Sanchez
Ah, so you want to find out how the enemy works, very smart of you!
Austin Phillips
Do you mean garbage books with ass up their head or do you mean cute books that might be feminist in nature if you think about them?
They're not my enemy. I don't want books where the fight against the patriarchy or whatever is the main element of the plot, but preferrably it should still be a recurring theme.
Christopher Campbell
Conan, d'oh
Parker Allen
>only thing randi corrupted was William D. Arand's writing, to a point that Im convinced that they are the same guy. Have you been living on the moon? They are the same guy.
Cooper Howard
The Left Hand of Darkness. Music of the Soul by Erik Schubach
Angel Turner
>Have you been living on the moon? no but I don't follow authors blogs or wherever that was announced. What's the point of having a fake name for half your books if you are going to write the same stuff under both names? Did he realize his "main" books where not going to get picked up for a movie deal?
Ian Russell
>What's the point of having a fake name for half your books if you are going to write the same stuff under both names Amazon does not allow the advertising of erotica. So he writes pg 13 under his real name, and erotica under his pen name. Surprisingly according to him both novel types are equally popular.
William Davis
The Black Company is garbage, don't bother.
Noah Brooks
His erotica could use more sex. >advertising of erotica don't they sell porn books? I recall getting a few free ones from there
I hear Bester's other main title is on telepaths, my point of interest at the moment. Anyanons got any good telepath book recs? UBIK was great. Hit me up with some recs.
Liam Lopez
I read the Super Sales on Super Heroes series, and found it to be dumb but fun light reading on the border of bad, which suited me fine. Didn't like how well the protag did, but that's power fantasy shit for you. If you're a weeb who watches harems, or someone who likes the not-so-upper-tier self-pubs, you'll have a decent time. So, to the Randi Darren/William D Arand fags hanging in the thread, what are his best works? Are any of his Randi/erotic novels good, or will they make me cringe like Earh's Children past Clan of the Cave Bear? Have I read his best now (and therefore am done with him)?
Charles Sullivan
>t. mouthbreathing retard what would you reccomend instead?
Super Sales went downhill once they introduced the multiverse and a backup base on another world. It was a simple story that got cluttered to hell. as for Randi I would say Wild Wastes was amusing because he has sex with strange creatures, including a soldier ant. skimmed the rest, they did not grab me.
Jeremiah White
yes amazon sells erotica and porn. however they will not appear in the top lists on the front page ever. Arand frequently does. You can loose your amazon publishing account and be permanently banned from the platform if you pass of erotica or smut as non-porn. Fade to black is completely acceptable. But as soon as there is graphic descriptions, even if its tame, you can get into trouble with amazon.
I have a feeling this is what happened with Michael Scott-Earle but i don't have any proof of that. Arand wants to be on the safe side and it just works out that way.
>Michael Scott-Earle Is The Destroyer worth it? seems too long, not really loving the pov's and the charm wore off fast. since you are such an expert on semi porn writers, what can you tell me about E. William Brown. am I reading too much into it or did he try for real world parallels with elf cuckery?
another generally question, why do harem books so often drop the main harem by book 2? I mean if girls personalities are what got the reader to pick up the book, what are you doing by dumping them?
Sebastian Phillips
are you judging his scat fetish?
Adam Wood
>what can you tell me about E. William Brown Nothing. Read the fist book and wasnt a fan so i dropped it. >why do harem books so often drop the main harem by book Wouldnt know. most harem books are really cringey. arand/darren is an exception for me. Used to Read MSE when he was still on amazon. Also occasionally i pick up a schinhofen book but i really dont like most harem authors.
Sorry. I really only make an exception for arand because he actually is a pretty good writer in my opinion.
Christopher Cooper
>pretty good writer in my opinion. He is good at painting visual, dramatic set piece and keeping me interested in some characters but basic structure seems to be wonky. The antagonist will show up 80% into the book with 0 foreshadows,etc.
John Cooper
I agree to a certain extend. I think most of the issue come from him being adamant about only writing trilogies. You can only cram so much into a 3 part series. I hope he changes his stance on it because i think there's too much happening too fast in some of his books. For example the third Super Sales book in my opinion happened way too fast. Another two books could have done the pacing a favor.
Robert Torres
>For example the third Super Sales book in my opinion happened way too fast. yes and no!? I feel like he changed directions and gears in those books multiple times. What he needs is focus and a smaller cast with less redundant characters, also maybe fewer ego stroking moments like with the bank or the court. Generally if a series has 9-18 books in it its trash, because its impossible to keep the quality for that long. I would say he could have carved up all the ideas he put into super sales and made well focused multiple 3 book series >third Is it the final book, he ends it on a cliffhanger?
Blake Miller
>Is it the final book, he ends it on a cliffhanger? to certain degree yeah. but it gets resolved pretty quickly in swing shift. i actually agree that there are too many characters at times. Or rather than too many characters they get introduced too fast. Thats why i like Schinhofen books. His stories aren't as good as Arands, however he does characterization much better. He usually focuses on interpersonal relationships and takes more time for each character. he tends to take a "polyamory" approach to his harems. and keeps them really small. with like 4 main characters at most. and then does the entire series revolving around those characters. In arands case i feel like you are right and Darren is making a bit of an influence on Arand titles. its not really that bad but it is noticable. personally i would prefer it if he would focus more on already established characters to flesh them out. but then again it comes back to my previous point. you can only do so much 3 novels. That being said i do greatly enjoy his books and id rather prefer them to be as they are instead of changing his writing completely.
Ryder Johnson
>it’s a schinhofen spends more time discussing bdsm and relationship roles than sex or advancing the plot episode
Eli Hill
Which fantasy book or series that isn't by Brandon Sanderson has the best action scenes?
Brayden Hernandez
Well yeah. But i think he does it in a rather interesting way. My main reasoning for recommending him is that he actually fleshes out his characters compared to other authors that focus on harems. I really don't mind his fixation with bdsm that much. He at least tries to represent it properly.
Christian Rodriguez
>to certain degree yeah 2 characters are carried off and hero is getting ready to save them. When series ends it means you are done with the characters story, not that I have to pick up the hated crossover book. could you spoil swing shift for me? >Schinhofen his books are more comfy but his characterization seems transparent, stale and overly melodramatic. only thing that can "save" it form me would be a twist that he was the victim or the maniac. its nitpick but being powerful is given in this type of stories despite that I hate in litrpg when the framework does not make sense, like MC gets a special start zone, he found 1 part of a legendary armor (on his first day in a basic loot box) and the armor is so powerful devs removed it but they let him not only keep the part but also the ability to get a full set down the road. >its not really that bad but it is noticable it also shows the distraction shifts, like we got faith magic because hero was becoming too powerful but then he gave him magic beings who can null faith magic. Arand used to stand out mildly because not every female in his cast wanted to bang the mc but since Darren's hand came in everyone is more horny and focused on MC's dick, even the characters that are not from sex world
Cooper Williams
>schinhofen >character shows up >instant armchair psychology about how someone is a switch or an m. Really wish more characters who act like they can read everyone like a book got proven wrong
Jack Wright
>you spoil swing shift for me? its one of the worlds controlled by zeus. the AI the omega made to take over the human space ship runner is on. that wold is basically dresden files. normies dont know about usper natural things but theyre everywhere. kit and lilly are in that world as well as patricia(the driad that got lost). kit and lily run a marketing company with blatant legion marketing so when felix comes he finds them easily. patricia becomes part of swing shift mc's harem. bad guys are connected to the bad guys from super sales and wild wastes also to zeus. eventually mc of swing shift is probably gonna be tangled up with vince and felix and probably runner because its obvious the bad guys in this are all connected somehow with zeus.
Jack Martinez
>the hated crossover book swing shift was pretty good in my opinion. it felt more like like a self-contained story than a crossover. you wouldn't know the crossover unless you read the others.
Daniel Anderson
dresden files is pretty good
Lincoln Clark
Dying Inside by Robert Silverberg
Camden Foster
God i hate r/fantasy so fucking much
Leo Miller
Birdboi, if you're still here, do you plan on self publishing or traditional publishing?
Ryder Nelson
I've read Wild Wastes. It was okay. I expected it to be fanfiction level of trash, so it surpassed my expectations. No desired to read the sequels tho. I've jumped to Fostering Faust, and I'm liking it way better. Mostly because it appeals more to my fetishes. I can't distinguish the prisioners, tho. I keep thinking "is this the one that made the undress deal or am I thinking of another character?"
One thing that bugs me is the "the protag is transported into another world/time... but in someone else's body!" trope is how this is an almost body-horror concept of being trapped in someone else's body, but the protagonist doesn't even acknowledges it.
I can't think of any with straight up rape, but there are a few where a girl ends up taking aphrodisiac so the mc fucks her. Against the Gods is one. There's a japanese web novel where the mc feeds aphrodisiac to a bunch of female prisoners because he doesn't want to rape them but is fully willing to fuck them all if they're drugged.
Jackson Reed
Why does Aspect Emperor book 4 have such shitty reviews?
Nathaniel Howard
audiobook. the narrator distinguishes the characters extremely well. also nannie has a great southern accent. its fantastic.
Christopher Phillips
/r/asoiaf
Michael Price
> the protag is transported into another world/time It's neither, the Faust series is part of the authors larger back story. It's part of the Otherland setting. The "god" in Faust is one of the characters from that and whole world it's set in is just another VR in the larger Otherland whole.
Caleb Young
This has to be a bait post. If it isn't, who cares about what TARGSHITS have to say.
Christopher Wilson
How much does your average non-self-published fantasy author make a year?
Asher Hill
bonus: this book is also about Jewish anxiety.
Jose Richardson
$1000 at the absolute most, if you mean what they make from writing.
Justin Howard
Why would anyone here know? As far as I can tell the median author can't support themselves with their writing. The mean is irrelevant as it's skewed by a tiny number of millionaires.
Noah Walker
So can someone tell me who birdboi is? I’m not acquainted with this writefag. Can I buy any of his work?
Jayden Peterson
Just some writefag making an autistic 200 year saga about birbs. And no.
Oliver Campbell
>200 You mean 400. Also add whales and evil shrimp.
>and then I took Christianity completely out of the Byzantine Empire and replaced it with a human sacrifice (but not really it only used to be can't be offensive friends) religion with all the depth of a puddle of urine on the toilet seat What a complete waste. The best world builders have some very real experience with their inspirations. She has a phd in byzantine history and a 'I googled this and read a short list' in Aztec history and god damn does it show. I actually would have preferred the typical 'Christianity bad' allegory to this drivel. At least it would be well informed.
Bartimaus is really good YA, which is a goddamñ rare gem
Oliver Bailey
Unironically really based
Jaxon Myers
Am birdboi. I write The War of Continuation and its first cycle, The Mouth of Mist.
Liam Williams
Because it’s essentially half a book. Overlook jewed out on Bakker and made him split the final book into two. Also people butthurt about the ending. I still think it ended on a high note though.
Carson Peterson
>whole world it's set in is just another VR I hate this. It's why I dropped Wild Wastes too. Just make it a regular fantasy world instead of making the background some forced science fiction nonsense.
Colton Lewis
What the fuck does this even mean?
Cooper Butler
The Wheel of Time is complete garbage, please don't keep recommending it to people. So is Earthsea cycle
Connor Hernandez
I've learned that all you really need to write a book is something you're really enthusiastic to talk about. You don't need to nail down a genre, characters, setting, world building, theme. Nothing matters except the one subject you're really interested about. Research says that, on average, we speak between 7.000 and 20.000 words a day. If you're really enthusiastic about something and you can talk a day, a single day, about it, you already have anywhere between 7000 and 20.000 words of your book. And considering that at 120k words you already have a PRETTY good sized book on your hands, well it really puts things into perspective don't it?
What are birdboi and planeboi passionate about? Just birds and planes?
Jack Allen
I am not a fan of the wheel of time but I would like to know you reasons as to why you think it's garbage.
Dylan Sanchez
I don't think enthusiasm alone is necessarily all you need planeboi. My current story was something I was enthusiastic about for four years (believe it or not, it actually wasn't food or flavors that my idea started with, but instead a mythology based on quantum physics), but it's only in the past few months after my enthusiasm died down that I was able to organize my ideas into a plot that can actually be committed to writing
Enthusiasm is a powerful tool, but without decisiveness and orchestration it's more likely to burn you than warm your soul.
from what I remember, birdboi's got some really expansive and detailed worldbuilding going on. The first time I saw him here he was discussing an industrial revolution in a fantasy world that he had mapped down to its very weather patterns.
The dude's an inkling in the truest sense of the word
I'm not really passionate about planes, I'm passionate about -a- plane, the f14 tomcat, plate armor, cosmology and flight. In my novel, the planes are practically large plate armours capable of blitzing through a large target, be is a castle or town or bridge or any other landmark, leaving behind only rubble and the terrible memory of their supersonic scream. And the only way to combat them is through subterfuge and hanky-panky.
These things aren't even like dragons of classic fantasy stories. They can't be reasoned with or tricked, and won't get taken down by a lucky arrow as they zip through the skies at what's essentially lightning speed.
so wait, I'm confused. You're saying planes are more like power armor than vehicles, but they can't be reasoned with and the way you describe them sounds like a monster. What are they supposed to be in this setting?
Also, I actually tossed around an idea for a wereplane while brainstorming for my setting because I always though Aerosmith was the coolest stand. It didn't make it into the final cut but now that I've settled on the way my world works, monstrous biplanes that gun down everything in their path with bone bullets would actually make a good monster
when I said "inkling" I was referring to the literary group who hosted such notables as C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkein. Though their society no longer exists, the Mythopoeia Society still carries on their legacy and gives out annual awards for superb and imaginative examples of worldbuilding and mythopoeia. It's actually one of my dreams to win an award from them, but I know my place
At the rate birdboi is going he's going to end up there. I say this as someone who talks to him on discord and hears long rambling speeches on speculative biology about salt marsh ecosystems with sheep sized slug herbivores.
Owen Rogers
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. A flavoranon is honest 100%
The planes are practically power armor (although there is quite a bit or something else underneath the surface), yes, but they instill a sense of dominance and desire for destruction upon the wearer, kinda like making a sand castle and giving a plastic shovel to a kid and tell him "go on, let's see what you can do". But you're not given a plastic shovel and go ham on a sand castle, you're given a fucking jet fighter and the enemy castle, the same enemies you've been brainwashed or convinced to remove. Also, among the 3 disciplines of magic within the world, one of them deals in potions, occult concoctions, sorcerous substances, altering drugs. It's not impossible for a wearer to ingest large amounts of narcotics before taking flight. In that sense, you can't reason or trick them, and they are seen as proper monsters. Not to mention, the very concept of operating one of these things is stuff of legends for most people. The average man doesn't think and doesn't know about such things, they hear a roar, a rush of sonic thunderclap, a destroyed city or town and a shiny flying 'thing' diving off into the distance, breaking clouds as it passes. Once you're in their sights, there's basically nothing else you can do except running for cover, but even that is almost impossible when they can cover more ground in an hour than you in a week.
The planes are also very taxing to maintain in proper function and even harder to actually just build one, as the technology is closely guarded. Even without the knowledge and blueprints, the technique is arcane in nature and quite metaphysical, and the resources alone are barely supported by nations, let alone just about any minor lord. With a single one of these things, one person is practically capable of kneeling the entire world, but there are countermeasures, of course. Destroy the lines of assembly, attack the supply caravans, assassinate the engineers, burn the manuscripts, undermine the workers or plainly crash the economy of the ones paying for this shit.
so what's the deal with these planes? Where do they come from? Based on what you're saying it sounds like they're either precursor tech that's become possessed and corrupted or something that wizards pulled through space and time dragging something else from beyond along with it.
John Cook
Nah, I don't believe in "precursor tech disguised as magic" trope (it's been done to death, let's admit), and it's got nothing to do with time travel either. The dominant society of the world, the 'conquistadores Europe' of the world is quite an advanced civilization, it is settled and developed, the magics and metaphysics of the universe are well understood, the world at large has already reached and gone through the "renaissance", so to speak. These are secrets of the universe, to be sure, and the enlightened minds are always pushing for progress, but most of everything has a spot of their own and things are running smoothly, let's say. But due to heavy outside factors, such as magic, the reality of souls, other dimensions, actual gods, things that developed were things that held actual power in the world. Say, in our world we developed guns, and guns are THE best weapon so far, far exceeding the spear, which was arguably the best weapon before the gun. In simple terms, of course, not gonna spend many posts talking about this subject. But anyway, say people were more inclined to study the magic and its effects on the world. So they don't develop guns, they have no idea what a gun even is, but they develop a substance that can make your skin like kevlar. Or a way to shoot a magical missile as powerful as a modern v2 rocket. Or a way to make a lump of a particular metal fly, when certain magic effects are applied to it. Now combine a magic missile with an armor capable of flight, ramp that up to 11 and you get something that kinda sorta resembles a modern plane, except it's magic technology. Their version of modern technology.
But to reveal more is to reveal the story itself. The plot doesn't revolve around the design, production and dispatch of these "planes". It's a more nuanced, character-driven plot, and yes, the planes are quite important overall (kinda like lord of the rings isn't about the government system and taxation policies of king Aragorn, even though Aragorn is important in the story), but at the end of the day they are not the story itself. Only a piece of it.
It reads kind of like an action movie with good set pieces and effects if you get what I mean. The magic/god stuff can get weird in a good way but the novels aren't weird overall. There's some fag/grrl power shit but it's not even close to overwhelming. It's also got an interesting structure in that the protagonist of each book is different and the plots aren't direct sequels to each other.
James Murphy
What about precursor magic disguised as tech?
Juan Butler
This; idk why these people praise it so highly.
Michael Baker
>/sffg/ told me to read "The Way of Kings" >700 pages later literally nothing has happened except a bit of strong woman being strong
So was this reccomendation just to prepare me for the worst?
Thomas Foster
Just taking this second to thank you /sffg/. In this year I have found a ton of great books cause of you. I appreciate the fact you are one of the view places on Yea Forums (and half the non liberal internet) that doesn't immediately sperg out if a book has a hint of a gay character or plot point that is(for lack of a better term SJW)
Sure you call it out when you see a book is written literally to just appease them, but you can stomach books where it is just a thing that happens
Logan Fisher
get a load of this faggot lads
Ian Reed
Whats your favorite book so far?
Michael Long
The dying earth
Christian Cook
>tfw authors don't account for how magic/some advanced tech/a literally evil race would affect their setting's culture I don't know why this makes me sperg out so much, but it does. If you dropped a modern gun into some highly fuedal realm, while the plebs might like it, it'd be seen as something horrifyingly dishonourable by the nobs, and as it got reverse-engineered, it'd be looked at as a scummy, peasant weapon. Foreigner does this really well, intitally being about the crash-landed-on-an-alien-planet humans forking over their technology (which they have an incomplete record of) to the 18th-century atevi, who are kind of different from us. They have a system set up so as not to shock the alien culture too much, and by the time of the first book, they're pretty much at parity, with 1990's tech, some of which the atevi really took to (like trains and planes), and others, which they didn't (like cars nd buses, which are basically the bicycles of their world). Then PLOT happens, and eventually humanity rediscovers mobile phones, which they take to like ducks to water. Atevi, though, are basically turbo-mediaeval-japanese, who care a lot about ceremony and proper behaviour, and mobile phones would wreck the delicate balance of society, by letting people hear rumours or infomation at any time, rather than after appropriate ceremony. The first book is absolute banal, boring shit. Skip to the second if you want to read it. I've shilled enough, but you get my point. I fucking hate authors that don't think about the consequences of tech/magic/literal obvious evil
Andrew Butler
Are The Squishers the key to everything in ASoIaF?
Jayden Rivera
I got a lot of time to read recently, and I realized that I've read a lot of scifi but almost no fantasy besides Lord of the Rings and Discworld. So I picked up some coming-of-age looking stuff from the recommendation jpegs, because I figured that was a formula that was hard to fuck up. Some of my impressions:
The Knight, by Gene Wolfe: I hated this book so much that I researched it after I was done to make sure it wasn't some sort of extremely deadpan satire. I'm fully prepared to consider that there's something about this I just Didn't Get considering it made the shortlist jpeg, but it just seemed like the meanderings of an idiot and his rotating band of sycophants.
The Way of Shadows, by Brent Weeks: Structurally this book was fine for the most part. I actually liked it at first, but the style really started to grate on me as it went on. It felt really juvenile, like the author kept throwing stuff in because he thought it was cool or thought it would seem mature, rather than because it helped the story. I guess my main problem is one of demographics; fifteen-year-old me would have absolutely loved this book. My overall impression would probably have been better if it hadn't ended with unsatisfying sequel bait.
Swordbearer, by Glen Cook: I read this book two weeks ago. It was so boring that I don't remember anything besides a dwarf.
Assassin's Apprentice, by Robin Hobb: I actually liked this one. A bit bloated and slow, but interesting enough to make up for that. I went on to read the rest of the Farseer trilogy afterwards. I'm most of the way through Assassin's Quest and consider the whole trilogy a solid read. My only real problem is that it's a bit too downbeat without any decent reprieve. It's like the entire world exists just to shit all over the protagonist. Some victories to round out the constant defeats would be nice.
So I guess I'm asking for some good, upbeat coming-of-age fantasy stuff. I'll probably move into other subgenres later, but I really want something to balance out the Farseer books.
Cradle is some of the best self-published stuff around, and is a weseterner's take on a popular chinese style of story, revolving around ki and cultivating your inner self rather than casting fireballs around. Haven't read the other two (shoot me), though Spellslinger reminds me of Spellsinger, which was a comedic series about a janitor being flung into a fantasy world full of talking animals (and manlet humans) and discovering that his hobby of music translates into being able to weave unpredictable, random spells. For example, he sings Scarborough Fair, and then Eye of the Tiger, and ends up yanking a giant tiger called Roseroar from wherever she was. It's not some furry fetish-bait, either.
Jason Adams
Hey birdboi, when you’re done with your book would you help us edit? I can’t be the only one who would want to help.
Robert Smith
/sffg/, once I get back to writing I want to find a way to make it clear that all my characters have a "role" at the compound where they're surviving, but I'm having trouble figuring out what many of their roles actually are. It stands to reason that most of them are responsible for hunting for scraps to salvage or monsters to kill for mana, which would emphasize the sense of desperation, but I dunno. Maybe I'm just imagining something's off for no reason
It's called Pollo a la Brasa. traditionally, it's a peruvian dish in which chicken is marinated in a flavorful mixture of garlic, soi sauce, oregano, cumin, chiles and vinegar or lime juice and then grilled or roasted on a spit. However, the best variant I've seen comes from the Pio Pio chain in NYC, whose recipe I've reverse-engineered and determined is actually based on the fillipino recipe Pollo Adobo using the a la Brasa flavor pallet. The result doesn't have the same crispy skin, but the meat is tender, juicy and flavorful beyond rational comparison, something that can only be accomplished by braising the chicken in what would otherwise be the marinade
I'm trying to convince my family to let me use the recipe for our turkey next thanksgiving
Cooper Moore
Even on the most superficial level, it's a well-done Arthurian crossover fantasy.
In addition to this, its world is a compelling portrayal of the "process" of purgatory that synthesizes Plato, Jung, Norse mythology, and Catholic theology into a portrayal of martial valor as a striving for the salvation of one's soul.
Also, there is the mystery of what "actually" happened/is happening to Able.
Joshua Perry
I see, even if I don't agree. The world and mystery weren't terribly compelling to me. I didn't really see any aspect of "martial valor as a striving for the salvation of one's soul" because the protagonist's desire to be a knight just felt like an arbitrary goal without any emotional weight attached. And I wasn't interested in the mystery because it barely seemed like a mystery; even I've read tons of fantasy where a higher power draws somebody to another world for nebulous purposes. It's fine for a setup to a story, but I don't really see it as compelling intrigue.
Austin Price
Then it was Yamada’s turn. And his opponent was a huge black man. The same black soldier he had seen on the first night. Yamada gulped. His opponent was a full head taller than him. An ebony giant of thick muscle, iron sinews and hardened bones. As the opponent raised his fists, right side forward, Yamada saw that the first two knuckles of both hands were swollen and callused. The black man grinned like a shark.
James Moore
Going to try reading Gene Wolfe next. Figured I would start with some of his shorter works before trying BotNS, etc.
What's a good example of crossover fantasy, then, if The Knight doesn't make the cut?
>I didn't really see any aspect of "martial valor as a striving for the salvation of one's soul" because the protagonist's desire to be a knight just felt like an arbitrary goal without any emotional weight attached. To be fair I don't think this becomes at all obvious until the second book (The Wizard). Also, Able himself is not aware of what's going on.
Grayson Phillips
“Your forefathers are proud and fearsome warriors. The Chinese boast of martial traditions that span hundreds, even thousands of years. The samurai of Japan were renowned for their loyalty, their bravery, and their skill at arms. Men of the West, you are the descendants of Crusaders, Vikings, Romans, of the fierce and bold warriors who conquered a continent and left their mark on history. “With these blades, honor those who came before you. Show the demons what it means to be a soldier of humanity.”
Jeremiah Edwards
I guess The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe is the canonical example, or The Wizard of Oz. As a kid I was personally fond of The Phantom Tollbooth, even if that's not exactly "traditional" fantasy. I'm not saying these are clearly and objectively better, just that the setup is common enough that I don't really see it as a point of interest.
Elijah Turner
I think Narnia is similar enough to The Knight to be a fair comparison, and I'm sure it inspired Wolfe at least a bit. Oz and the Phantom Tollbooth have too little in common aside from the portal conceit to be all that comparable, I think, and it's not like the Knight leans that heavily on the crossover aspect. The Knight takes place in a far more brutal world than any of those works you named, for instance.
Anthony Collins
what do you define as "crossover fantasy"? What the other user was describing was what I'd call "rabbit hole fantasy"
Jaxson Cruz
>If you dropped a modern gun into some highly fuedal realm, while the plebs might like it, it'd be seen as something horrifyingly dishonourable by the nobs, and as it got reverse-engineered, it'd be looked at as a scummy, peasant weapon I agree in principle, but this example is bullshit. A feudal realm is one where the nobs are doing the fighting, and whoever embraced them would come out on top pretty quickly. They could hardly be a peasant weapon if no peasant could afford one.
Joshua Cook
Someone goes (crosses over) from the real world to another, different world.
What's "rabbit hole fantasy"?
Jason Long
I'd say rabbit hole fantasy is anything that's classified as both a crossover fantasy and a fairy tale, though what qualifies as a fairy tale is a matter of personal distinction
Isaiah Roberts
“Amen!” someone shouted. “AMEN!” the rear rank echoed. Lightning split the sky, striking the ground just past the gate. A shockwave hammered Yamada’s ears and brains and intestines. He shook his head and blinked rapidly, trying to see past the purple worm in his vision. The enemy assault had faltered. The moles were staggering and reeling, their arms and tentacles outstretched. Some of them had fallen into the ditch, and were desperately clawing their way back up. “Masaka,” Yamada whispered. Next to him, Hiroshi crossed himself. “FORWARD!” a man yelled. “FORWARD! DEUS VULT!” “DEUS VULT!” the soldiers roared.
Thomas Myers
This seems really cringey, like it's written for racist LARPing weaboos
Justin Thomas
>The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories >Stories include, "The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories," "The Doctor of Death Island," and "The Death of Dr. Island" What did Gene Wolfe mean by this?
Grayson Cook
Wasn't one of these the result of Asimov reading the Island of Doctor Death wrong at a Nebula ceremony?
Kevin White
I looked it up and that appears to be the case, though it regards Asimov mistakenly announcing that Wolfe had won an award when the result was "no award." There's also a fourth story, "The Death of the Island Doctor," though it's not in the same book with the others.
Gavin Ortiz
>the death of the island doctor
Didn't read that one.
Isaac Rivera
It was first published in The Wolfe Archipelago (out of print) and later included in The Best of Gene Wolfe.
Jace Butler
This was not good. It was actually pretty god damn boring. A transparent, unoriginal, and uninspired mimicry of Tolkien
It's really interesting for the first half but loses steam and becomes about powerlevels. You have to give it credit for being like 40 years ahead of its time. Even by today's standards its above average.
Wyatt Jones
>Racist Please. It's more or less fine until the deus vult part, which is too obvious a connection to meme shit
Connor Stewart
welcome newfag
Jace Moore
> mimicry of Tolkien Same complaint could be said about 90% of all fantasy. At least WoT intentionally starts out with those usual tropes and goes in it's own direction after that first book.
Brayden Walker
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Nolan Ramirez
Gonna be honest. Lewis is better than Tolkein and Narnia should've been the fantasy everybody steals from.
Eli Lewis
I'm beyond happy this triggered you.
Michael Smith
IT'S TIME TO MOVE LADS
Daniel Moore
If you're not a fan why do you care? You do care. Do you think it's brainlets that lurk here? We see through your subterfuge.
Luis Gonzalez
>likes assassin apprentice who doesn't assassinate people >dislikes someone who knows the way of the shadows and uses it to actually assassinate people Pleb
Jose Collins
Like how cuckoldry triggers you? What makes it more funny was that Jesus was born of cuckoldry and infidelity. Mary was married to Joseph but god cucked him before he would enjoy his virgin wife and jesus was born.