Brainlet here

user, the other user I replied to is a heretic you dumb dumb.

I saved that book reccomendation, user

Well, each person on earth is still liable to death, it's what comes after that the sacrifice was all about.

>He got the divine punishment that all men deserve

He didn't. Humans supposedly go to Hell to suffer for eternity if they sin, their punishment isn't just getting crucified for half a day.

Because we are not sinless as Jesus was

it means the innkeeper should have kept the deposit

you think jesus never farted?

He descended to Hell, some theologians propostion that he suffered in Hell.

Before Jesus Christ, ALL MEN, irrespective of their deeds and status, went to Hell (Sheol). This was mostly a shadow-world, akin to the greek Hades, where souls lived on as mere reflections of their former selves, unable to talk or behave.

Theologically speaking, Christ descended into Hell where He broke the gates and took Adam and Even, along with all the other souls which, dying in the age after the Fall, arrived there.

Christ re-opened Heaven (Eden) to humans; which was previously closed by God because of the Original Sin. This is what it means that Christ's sacrifice redeemed the Original Sin. After Him, ontologically, humans can since re-enter Heaven; while previously no matter their faith or deeds, they were doomed to the netherworld because of their fallen status.

Christ's self-relevation did mean that Sheol changed from a boring place to a place of suffering for those who reject Christ, if you read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

>punished eternally for being born in the wrong place
You think a Hindu in India who receives all the spiritual fulfillment he needs from that religion is suddenly gonna turn to Christ because reasons?
Yet you claim he'll suffer eternally just for ebing born in the wrong family.
He doesn't claim you'll suffer eternally, yet since he doesn't agree with you he'll suffer eternally.
Doesn't seem right in some way I dunno, you'll probably disagree

Ok, the jews say they did the right thing to kill christ because in the OT god tells them that the law is forever, however Christians say that Christ fulfilled the law and therefore they do not have to follow it anymore (sacrifice, peepee cutting, etc)
I have this wierd feeling that maybe the jews are alot more based, as they actually speak hebrew and therefore can understand it better, but the christian argument of the jews very bad and no logos is also not easily discarded.

It's all about loving your neighbour as yourself without turning into a hippie (i.e. you still have to call out people on their sins)

I didn't make the rules, God did. Some folks of other religions do have awesome conversion experiences, indicating that Christ choose the elect before the making of the world.

Catholocism is the truth. Anyone who isn't willfully rejecting God will convert once they hear its doctrine. You WILL burn for eternity if you don't.

nono, the law of moses is more than the 10 commandments, the Christians now say that Jesus died as final sacrifice and the new law is what you say, however they still hold parts of the old law in high regard (10 commandments for example, however most other laws are abolished, dietary laws etc.)
Why is god telling in the old testament his law is forever, to send jesus and then destroy his own law, atleast that is what the christians made out of it. Love thy neighbour is not the whole law of moses, there are way more commandments that christians dont practice anymore. God telling that his law is eternal is mentioned alot in the OT.

Same response as always.
Fingers in ears and yelling i'm right you're wrong.
I've never gotten a response that isn't this from Christians

It took me three years of studying theology but eventually I did convert to catholocism, brother, perhaps I was too prideful in my hearth or something to accept the faith sooner. I did baptism myself before I died, so in the end all is well with some help of God.

Btw Catholicism is a one way ticket to hell just want you to know that before you die

His laws were meant for ethnic jews. Most christians are converted pagans, ergo no following jewish laws.

>claims the religion that needed complete genocide to make people convert

Pointless.
They're countless examples of people from every religion converting to another religion.

A christian who converts to another religion was ontologically never a christian in the first place. The elect don't waver in their faith.

I don’t really care but claiming your religion is true because someone from another religion converted to it really doesn’t give you any credibility

The argument of the other user was that a multitude of other religions exist aside from christianity. I merely argumented that if God truly wants to save a fellow, this fellow would be guided to conversion.

Why don’t we have Hindus Muslims and Buddhists struggling daily with why they can’t convert to Christ?
Surely your god hasn’t abandoned them all...

Yet He did, otherwise they would all be Christian. Perhaps God forgives them on judgement day, perhaps not.

Its not an argument, its a statement.

fucking hell
it's about time Yea Forums made a religion board so you stupid fucknuts can finally fuck off

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion, triggered one.

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Basically he did something we didn't ask him to do and now he wants something in return.
Dude can fuck off, didn't he learn what entitlement is

He gives something in return. Faith is given, you cannot metaphysically come to it yourself.

Yeah, he went to Hell for two days. That's hardly taking the eternal punishment of humans.

Jesus's sacrifice is like the One Ring of religion: it's in the center of the story, everyone talks about how important it is, but no one can explain what it does exactly.

after a while all the biblehumping fucktards that would congregate there would be too much for people wanting to have serious discussions and drive them away back to Yea Forums... where they'd get shit on every time they brought up god

Uhhmm.. there are series of books about it by theologicans.

As if faith didn't exist before him. He did not invent the metaphysical nor did he inform people of it. It simply turned into a ritual, standardized one size fits all, as if that could ever work in nature. Dude was a hack and we're paying for it because nothing is free, and whatever semite religion you use it comes with a big price attached to it.

Depends on the interpretation but before Jesus humans had original sin (Adam and Eve eating the apple) and because of this inherent sin pretty much everyone except the really exceptional we’re destined for hell. Jesus sacrificing washes away original sin so now all you need for heaven is to ask forgiveness and believe in Jesus.

And not commit mortal sins, otherwise the sacrament of confession is a neccesity

Varies between Protestants, Catholic’s, and Orthodox though

This is a heresy, not at all correct

Do correct me by all means than

>The only church actually established by Jesus Christ
>This is the church that'll led you to hell
Yeah prottie, I'm sure Pastor Billy-Bob down at Hillsong Chapel who went to a Bible School for two years knows more about the word of God than an institution that has been cultivating it's philosophical and theological groundings for years. Literally shut the fuck up retard

Are you retarded?

To be fair it is not allowed to insult other people according to Jesus.

This is atonement theory and is not at all scriptural or doctrinal. It implies that God gets angry and his anger needs to be avenged somehow... Sounds like paganism to me Chief

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Okay, but you do agree that the sacrifice was necessary for the righteousness of Christ to be imputed on his believers, right? Basically the OT yearly sacrifice of the lamb in the desert but then for all eternity and all races.

so cain was an aryan? why do you say this? and what were the original aryan vows?

188:4.3.
Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master's death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him.

188:4.8.
When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

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The infinite love of God is equal to his infinite righteousness, making atonement necessary.

2:6.5.
Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. Truth exhibits God as a revealer, as a teacher. But love gives and craves affection, seeks understanding fellowship such as exists between parent and child. Righteousness may be the divine thought, but love is a father's attitude. The erroneous supposition that the righteousness of God was irreconcilable with the selfless love of the heavenly Father, presupposed absence of unity in the nature of Deity and led directly to the elaboration of the atonement doctrine, which is a philosophic assault upon both the unity and the free-willness of God.
2:6.6.
The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality—one of justice and one of mercy—neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father's favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.

"They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

This and other bible verses show that God is indeed the source of moral law of the universe, including even the lesser morals of unbelievers. Are you some sort of a gnostic believer?

Any time you hear the word "sin" just walk away. It's jew shit, let them worry about it.