Don’t mind me, just enabling the children of this generation who are raised by Disney to bring up generational trauma to their mom and dad whenever they’re told to eat their vegetables or do their chores.
I missed surprise Disney twist villains. Whatever happened to those?
>Her mother loved to spend time with her >Even brought her friends food when she thought they had a study club >Involved her in the family business in a simple way so she could gain some "people person" experience >Was there for her when she thought she got her period
I'm sorry, am I supposed to buy that Ming is a villain Disney mom on the same level as fucking Mother Gothel just because she embarrassed her once and was a bit strict?
never watched Tangled.
But nah... she was on another level with the public humiliation shit.
Though it was kind of understated.
>Disney implying Chinese family wouldn't immediately abort female children destined to harbor dangerous generational curse which would cause them to lose face Biggest farce from the movie.
it's not that Mei is completely right either... she just sees an opportunity for a great time with her friends and she takes it.
>it's not that Mei is completely right either But Mei never really gets "punished" from her behavior, or really learns a lesson from it. She continues being able to hang out with her friends at the end of the movie whenever she wants while being able to half-change into her panda form at will despite her mom being against it. So from the audience's POV, Mei IS in the right.
Thing is, mom is already doing child abuse thru free labor. By making Mei Mei have adult responsibilities to put food on the table, the abuse is called parentification
>am I supposed to buy that Ming is a villain Disney mom on the same level as fucking Mother Gothel That's just something you constructed in your own head. Mei still hangs out with and helps her mother with the temple, but she also has more freedom to hang out with her other friends and act like an individual.
it's wish fulfillment...
She does have some adversity along the way.
>two public humiliation incidents caused by her mother.
>came close to losing her friends altogether.
>had to play David in David vs Goliath against her own mother.
A lot for a 13 year old to handle, in my opinion.
She's not just strict, she's demanding. With friends and family or anyone, you'll see that you get along as long as you're moving in the same direction. When it comes to traditional families, conflict arises in "I wish you were the type of person who I wouldn't have to ask to do this" type conversations. It's one thing to do as your told, it's another to grow into someone who needs to be told or does not want to do everything that is being asked.
Most common examples of this in families are conflicts over religion like going to church every Sunday.
>Thing is, mom is already doing child abuse thru free labor
>By making Mei Mei have adult responsibilities to put food on the table
Hmm? Does she? Does she have that responsibility
>She continues being able to hang out with her friends at the end of the movie whenever she wants Mei never got to hang out with her friends outside of school, and when she did during the course of the movie it was only because she was lying about Mathletes.
>all female creative team >immediately make the movie about periods, disobeying your parents, putting little girls into questionable scenarios, and selling your “panda”
Stunning and brave.
>Mei still hangs out with and helps her mother with the temple, but she also has more freedom to hang out with her other friends and act like an individual.
>I missed surprise Disney twist villains. Whatever happened to those? They became predictable and seem to forgot how to write them now.
When was the last time they had a twist villain? Frozen? Hans was a terrible twist and felt like it came out of nowhere, and quite frankly didnt make sense.
Absolutely. You know, after High Guardian Spice and now this I think that all female teams are definitely a good idea. They are just so creative.
>When was the last time they had a twist villain? Frozen?
Big Hero 6, Zootopia, as well. Possibly Coco too
>and now this
I get that there is a sizeable hate-dom for Turning Red, but it's not a failure by any means.
Depends on how much Disney cooked the books. If anything of theirs fails I doubt we’ll ever know it.
Random comment, but I have heard multiple people say that the whole "you're independent now" theme works better for someone who is 18 rather than 13...
But imo, different types of independent.
And Ming would be even more disturbing if she was coddling/protecting Mei still at the age of 18
>her daughter is also her best and only friend That's kinda sad.
To the movie's credit from a conservative perspective, all the other women in the family fine with locking away their pandas with no conflict shows that they are just truly traditional and are truly fine with it. There's no "liberation" moment where they all find out that they're brainwashed and actually enjoyed being pandas and the mom's panda is treated like raging alcoholism to Mei Mei's casual drinking. To insist that no one can drink because you are dangerous when you drink isn't right.
user, they're Canadian.
>she embarrassed her once and was a bit strict She also stalked her. Don't forget about the stalking.
And that would make for a better message because at that point it would be more clear that she was being groomed and it's not just the typical character building moral foundation of "no you can't go to a concert unsupervised with your 13 year old friends".
>孝 Respect and treat your parents well and care about everything. >順 Obeying your parents.
Also, when you grow up and have a job, you have to give them an allowance every month.
That's a pretty great pyramid scheme. It worked better when Chinese people were less integrated; if you don't play along and pay up, you and your family lose all connections and support in a foreign country.
It seems pretty brave considering the outrage this caused.
>t she was being groomed being groomed by... Ming?
OK but it would make the whole "mermaid drawing things" even more weird. "My adult daughter might have had contact with a man! Shock!"
Well yeah, I imagine a 13 year old girl shaking her ass at a camera and selling pictures of herself would cause outrage.
She was drilling it into her that contact with low income boys or boy of power moral character are bad. She didn't even want her hanging out with her white friend because she's a tomboy. She wanted her to be the type of person to reject what she rejects.
Yeah, im sure retards can conflate anything into personal outrage like you do, and i salute anyone brave enough to take them on in a public setting.
it's kind of funny because Po from Kung Fu Panda could do similar things but once it's the tender voice of a teenage girl behind it... oof.
>having Disney and MSM backing as well as the support of every large social media site >brave
They are truly the little guy going against the world. Thank goodness they have your support to get them through this.
and I'm sure you'll take them down for this awful movie... someday
Po’s wasn’t an allegory for a 13 year old’s period/oppressed body.
>moves the goalposts from virtue signalling to MUH CORPORATIONS AND MSMS SUPPORT THIS in the span of one fucking post Oh no no no this was just too easy.
So you admit you don't care about the bootyshaking and silly panda pictures and only have an issue because you find women icky? Weird flex but ok
>goalposts You guys like to throw around that word a lot when you don’t have anything to actually say.
Yeah, when it’s a 13 year old girl I do find it “icky”. Hot take I know.
>2004 >dad hitting me with belt because I got in trouble at school again (usually sent to the office 3-4 times a week) >scream at him "you must enjoy hitting me, but I'm never going to hit my kids" >he tells me "I said the same thing to my dad back then too" Yeah, I'm still not gonna hit my kids though.
>gets called out for having no argument >"y-you have no argument" No u isn't an argument.
>Yeah, I'm still not gonna hit my kids though.
honestly I just wanna have kids just so I can "correct" my parents' mistakes... which might not be wise.
I don't understand how "go woke go broke" can be a thing without it being brave. I don't want to give them too much credit, but when you see liberal ideology hurt their bottom line, it shows that there was risk. Letting creatives do what they want is brave for a company.
I don't like Disney, they strong arm their products in a way that disadvantages smaller studios and mismanage IPs. It's just really dumb to play the "I think you think you're being brave and that's cringe" game. It's pointless.
>a 13 year old giant panda Ftfy. Either way, you're a hypocrite, and the outrage caused by this movie because people have a problem with a femoid-focused movie DOES prove that it is stunning and brave.
the dorks reading into Disney's stock price are just dorks... no telling what it's going to do... and there was plenty of "woke" stuff they were making when it was at an all time high
geez man, I'm a big stan of this movie too, but you're a bit intense.
I'm not a stan, I did enjoy the movie, but i just hate retards. Sorry, user.
Wow, that 13 year old girl shaking her ass in the opening was actually a panda and not the other way around? Fuck me, guess we watched different movies. Mei and Po are exactly the same and one isn’t a 13 year old girl who transforms.
There is no such thing as a parent stalking their own preteen child
well there was this at the beginning of the movie...
but it just looks like she's doing that silly "flossing" dance that kids do now rather than something from 2002... still weird but possible to be framed innocently.
>selling pictures of herself for those who unironically believe the prostitution theory, Mei and Ming have always used the panda image for money
>for those who unironically believe
I don't think there any many people like this... overwhelmingly it's just a bad-faith criticism.
if anything Asian-Americans could be offended because of monetizing "otherness" or whatever.
Only heard one critic see it that way, though.
I just think that when Hollywood is already having issues with not touching kids, they probably shouldn’t be producing content that’s on the line of being misconstrued, especially after the recent Cuties drama.
Weirdly enough, if they would have gone with the original concept and re-implemented some of the cut content instead of the content they replaced it with, all the allegories would have completely gone away and it would have been more or less fine with the biggest issue being whether you agree with the helicopter parenting or not.
I also think the early version of the movie was way more endearing and wholesome, but what it is.
>Weirdly enough, if they would have gone with the original concept and re-implemented some of the cut content instead of the content they replaced it with, all the allegories would have completely gone away
wait what? Are you theory user?
I don't see how that could be at all...
I mean the storyboard artists on this movie seemed to say that this movie didn't change much from concept to execution...
She was hoisting unrealistic standards upon her teenage daughter to become freaking UN General Secretary, among other things. She meant well but her love was inadvertently stifling her daughter's development into an independent being capable of living her own life.
>I also think the early version of the movie was way more endearing and wholesome, but what it is.
wait what? What is everyone talking about here?
The allegory for the panda changed, and her cousin was changed into a much less interesting character. There was also kind of a feelsy scene in one of the animatics about how her cousin controlled his panda. It’s actually kinda sad what was cut as I think the movie would have been a lot less controversial and shallow in its message, though again, I disagree with their message about over parenting but that would have been a much less major gripe. For instance, I disagree deeply with the message of the first Kung Fu Panda (which is ironic cuz that user brought up po so much) but still enjoy the film and think it’s fine for kids.
>For instance, I disagree deeply with the message of the first Kung Fu Panda
What in the world? What message does that have besides "be a big goofy panda and kick ass".
Yeah I realize there is some more sentimental stuff in it though.