Steve Ditko

>You want me to spend an hour of my life on that?
You're already wasting your life being angry about some dead incel creator you worship.

It's really annoying how people seem to soley judge art by reviewing the creators as people.

His art was equally shit too. But then again, every creation is autobiographical.

The thing is, Ditko was wrong. The creator and the creation influence each other both ways and you can understand them better as a whole,. Mainstream authors and film makers usually have some autobiographical elements in their works. It's inevitable.

I don't think there is any movement to demonize Ditko. His art and storytelling did that to him,.

That's very rare, Most everyone judges art while taking the creator into consideration,. It's seldom all one way or the other,

Watching OJ Simpson in the Naked Gun movies or sitting through a Roman Polanski movie, it's natural and inevitable to regard the films with an added element of what they did in life. It's unavoidable.

Writers and artists draw on their own experiences and reactions to a huge extent. How could it be otherwise?

I read straight through Edgar Rice Burroughs as a kid. You could see him getting angrier and more bitter in the books he wrote while his marriage failed. Then, after his divorce and getting a new girlfriend, his sense of humor and optimism returned,. He might not have been aware of all this himself.

Seems a tad childish seeing as Ditko is dead and while I disagree with his philosophy as far as I know he never hurt anyone

Kill yourself right now you worthless tranny nigger

Nobody's hurting him now, He felt free to criticize everyone else's beliefs, the same can be done to him, If you publish your philosophy, you can expect comments.

Child, hush Go outside for a while, it's a beautiful day.

>make a living writing licensed fanfiction of work created by someone infinitely more creative and visionary than i will ever be
>i will mock him in the process
Why are modern writers so entitled?

What he basically says in that video is that, as Spider-Man progressed, Ditko's budding objectivism started leaking into Peter Parker, who was Ditko's self-insert. And Parker became visibly angrier, this was something a lot of people acknowledged.
>Ditko was very adamantly against this idea of focusing on the artist as a person
That's rich coming from someone who wrote fucking Mr. A. Ditko put more of himself into his later work than an average liberal writer does nowadays.

You can see around 1965 that Ditko has Peter ditch his glasses, stand up to Jameson, get over his guilt over Uncle Ben's death and start ridiculing antiwar protestors. This ties in with Ditko's growing belief that a hero should not have any flaws.

Looking at his later work, he increasingly depicted his heroes as being above any doubts or failings. And with the Question, Mr A, even the Fly, Ditko never gave his characters any romance or friendships. They were all business all the time.

Not so much entitled as honest. They're treating Ditko the same way Ditko treated everyone else, it seems fair,.

No it's not nigga that's why I said it

But Ditko was successful, and succesfull people are better than us

I disagree and think you're wrong,

At some point, a big percentage of the population unironically started to believe that,

Which one, exactly and when? From Yea Forums to my own social circles people believe in the evil of the elite and the inherent goodness of the working class.

How can anyone pinpoint when a belief like that took hold? I would guess maybe the 1980s with the Yuppies focused on making money no matter what?

My sympathies are with the working class (to which I belong) but they are no more moral or ethical than any other group,. The people who exploit us teach us young what a great virtue it is to work hard all our lives but they're the ones profiting from it.

>start ridiculing antiwar protestors
The protestors never explained what they were protesting and they got mad at Peter when he didn't want to join because they wouldn't explain what they wanted. Nothing about war was mentioned.

Adding to that, Trump's most zealous support comes from blue-collar workers and they buy into the idea that if someone is rich (or claims to be) they are worth following. So that belief goes back at least to the craze for THE ART OF THE DEAL.

Oh, that's right. In 1968, protestors were trying to end the Vietnam War, fight racial injustice and protect the environment,. But Ditko didn't care about those causes, He showed protestors as complete phonies who only wanted to get out of class. Tells you a lot about how his mind worked,

>My sympathies are with the working class (to which I belong) but they are no more moral or ethical than any other group,. The people who exploit us
Does exploit even matter if both groups are immoral at worst and opportunistic at best?
>teach us young what a great virtue it is to work hard all our lives but they're the ones profiting from it.
On its own merits hard work (dedicated and focused work) is good because it allows you to build upon your wealth and resources.
But if you expect your hard work to be noticed and rewarded with more benefits from some benevolent powers, that's a grievous mistake. Very few bosses notice or care about a subordinate's dedication, because the boss has his own career to focus on. Trying to keep track of potentially tens or dozens of other people's careers is just ludicrous.

>He showed protestors as complete phonies who only wanted to get out of class
Very little has changed in the decades since.

Protesting is gay passive aggressive shit. Comply or kill politicians. Hate wishy washy shit.

You're the problem, not the solutio.

When you're older, you'll understand better,

Exploitation certainly matters to those who are being exploited, Regimes have toppled over that,.

Yes, but if both sides fight just to be the top dog, then it's little more than a gang war with a pretense of morals and justification.

Protesting causes change, Killing politicians only lets you watch from prison as new politicians replace them.

Yep. Except the two sides are never equally venial or corrupt. We did get child labor laws, laws against dumping toxins in rivers, laws against animal abuse and it was always one side fighting for these,.

>antiwar protestors
It was a protest for a building being made for something that the students didn't need, and that story happened after Ditko was already off of Spider-Man. Peter got mad because he doesn't like being told what to do.

Do any of you retards actually read comics, or do you just like repeating memes?

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>it's ok to shit on dead people it's not like they're going to complain

>if you believe in a higher power you are a phony
>if you devote yourself to a social cause you are a phony
>if you don't believe in anything you're a cynical, piece of shit phony
>if you are capitalist you are evil because you shouldn't look only after your own interests
>but if you're a socialist you are evil too because we are all supposed to look after our own interests for the interest of everyone or something
>the rich are filthy and exploiters
>but the poor are leeches sucking from others' riches
>don't trust anyone because everyone are just phonies trying to manipulate you, think for yourself
>fully trust me when I tell you this btw bro I wouldn't lie to you because I'm enlightened

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yes

Talking about another issue, another protest with clearly Ditko art, You brain-dead moron, don't hurt your arm trying to pat yourself on the back,

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No wonder the guy ended a recluse, how do you interact regularly with people with that mindset?

The problem is you're worse than all the people you're criticizing,.

with disgust

It's exactly how Ditko treated everyone he disagreed with, so it's only fair.

Rand fags should be mocked

Yes, exactly

>He was the original Rick Sanchez
Shocking developments

Peter really isn't in the wrong here. He just doesn't want to protest

It's not Peter who's the problem, In 1968, student protests were against the Vietnam war, racial injustice and destruction of the environment, None of that is reflected here,. The protestors are shown as complete phonies with no interest in what was going on in the world.

It's strange to see Stan Lee write that dialogue, to be honest. He was a basic upper middle class New York liberal, and he usually scripted protestors sympathetically. Stan liked young people and tended to see their side.

I don't know, maybe he couldn't contradict the art too much, given the way the protestors look and the way Peter reacts. Or maybe he didn't want to send Ditko off on a snit.

imagine if Ditko had read Thoreau instead of Ayn Rand,

you have no respect for greatness tranny

Wrong, junior. I respect him enough to be honest,

He would have to have been great for me to respect him

Because it's true. Working yourself up to success shows positive character traits.

you are trying to justify clowing on one of the greats at the hands of multibillion dollar corporations because he in life lived by his own set of rules and principles even if you disagree with them because he was a randroid

the man died in squalor because he was so obsessive because of his beliefs, he almost certainly was somewhere on the spectrum

>student protests were against the Vietnam war, racial injustice and destruction of the environment, None of that is reflected here
Because you're not able to read between the lines. Ditko hated all protests, period, especially by dumb hippies who knew nothing about anything.

>Stan liked young people and tended to see their side.
Stan always tried to see things in the middle. Kind of based how even though he's trying to appeal to younger people, he didn't want to provide them with an echo chamber telling them they are right about everything either.