I've been reading a lot of stuff recently, both Eastern and Western, and I noticed an interesting thing. Comic books tend to be a LOT busier than manga. Color obviously plays a role in this (not having to color things lets you skip out on background detail, which in turn puts more focus on the character), but text is another thing - comic books are very wordy. Characters sometimes spout entire paragraphs of dialogue, which slows the reading pace down quite a bit. Also, comics often try to cram a lot more frames into every page, most likely because the pages themselves are much larger, but it also makes reading them not as smooth as manga. Whenever I read manga, I feel like my eyes are gliding from page to page effortlessly, while reading comics is more like reading books.
I feel like this larger and more colorful format, while much more impressive visually, actually hurts comics, and that's not even mentioning printing costs.
I've been reading a lot of stuff recently, both Eastern and Western, and I noticed an interesting thing...
Its as if different cultures developed comics over time based on how the audience reads ands buys it. People here don't read it in cheap magazine tankobans they read it on paper that's meant to last more than a day. Not even mentioning the fact that you're ignoring the original language it's in or how often it needs to be updated. This is even more retarded than usual east vs west threads.
Weebs making worst memes in existence
>People here don't read it in cheap magazine tankobans they read it on paper that's meant to last more than a day
I mean, judging by the sales, people here don't read it full stop.
>Not even mentioning the fact that you're ignoring the original language it's in or how often it needs to be updated
Not sure what you mean. I was just wondering if there's something to be learned from manga's faster pace. You really don't notice how quickly time passes when you read it, meanwhile modern comics give us stuff like this. Reading this shit was legitimately uncomfortable.
>this thread AGAIN
Some manga can be very busy and wordy too though.
HxH comes to mind. I remember trying to read Fire Candy and the artwork was way too busy for me to follow. So it's really up to the author
I think it culturally american comics are trying to do more natural flow of conversation instead of getting to the point.
What comic is the picture on the right from?
>People here don't read it
Clearly.
I don't really care about modern manga I prefer to read comics but also coincidentally not all modern comics, my face is of Cat now
i don't think those scenes are really comparable.
Never read HxH, so I can't comment on it. But most manga I read rarely gets as wordy as comics.
>I think it culturally american comics are trying to do more natural flow of conversation instead of getting to the point.
Perhaps, and it really doesn't seem to work. I think this stems from the early days, when the artwork was rather primitive so text did a lot of legwork. But with modern more complex art, it really ends up looking busy.
Long Halloween.
>Whenever I read manga, I feel like my eyes are gliding from page to page effortlessly, while reading comics is more like reading books.
This also describes the intellectual capacity involved in Japanese comics, which is to say none, versus Western comics, which is some.
This feeds my brain the goop stuff of course I prefer books in the end but this who doesn't love books lite with creativity and actual dialogue? modern Manga doesn't scratch that itch and is usually more of a self insert harem shit fantasy which isn't to say comics don't do that it's just not the main focus.
Different tastes I find one piece boring and ugly
I enjoy both and read both in their native languages, sure things come out differently because what country it comes out of. However there is tons of different comics in each zone and lots of different things .Since you are most likely reading only translated shoenen or shojo stuff you ain't experiencing the whole variety of the genre. Same thing I could say to a Japanese person that only binges marvel comics and has no knowledge of western comics besides that. Step away from the generalizations and just enjoy it comics dumbass
it's like comparing pop punk to heavy metal
it feels pretty stupid to argue which is better
I can enjoy good comics regardless, but I do wonder if this has something to do with sales numbers. Maybe normalfags find manga easier to read and that's why they prefer it, subconciously.
I just remembered I do also read shojo and actually not subverted female comics despite being a guy and can say they have their own charm now that I think about it.
Especially the differences when the creator is a girl or a guy. Just need to read more if you want more out of them eh
No offense to the normalfags but a lot of what they are reading is easy to read. I also think some people may not like omniscient narrator that is present in some western comics. I kinda understand it, there are times I feel like stan Lee is actually reading the story out to me and I find it pretty great, but sometimes I need a break from that kind of narration.
>Comic books tend to be a LOT busier than manga.
>Whenever I read manga, I feel like my eyes are gliding from page to page effortlessly, while reading comics is more like reading books.
One Piece is totally the opposite for me.
>I think this stems from the early days, when the artwork was rather primitive so text did a lot of legwork.
Funny you say that, while there's less lines in the figures and backgrounds of that page, there's more work in setting scenes in every panel compared to a lot of modern comics. Just looks at it again. First panel has an apartment scene. Second has a bit of a background and an exterior.
The middle two crams four scenes in two panels.
And the last two have a whole bunch of figures. Compare it to something like
Which is largely just two faces with a bit of body.
Old comics weren't "primitive", there was just a disconnect between the writer and artist
Manga tends to be "less busy"(debatable) because mangaka have to crank out 18 pages a week.
>I also think some people may not like omniscient narrator that is present in some western comics.
That hasn't really been a thing unironically in ages. Comics that do use it tend to do it as a gag. Even monologues are fairly rare these days.
>. Maybe normalfags find manga easier to read and that's why they prefer it, subconciously.
This is entirely it really, if you look at popular scholastic style kids comics they also go for a very simple, breezy format.
Tim Burton used to say he could never read comics because the paneling was too confusing for him. I think that's a general problem for people/ Pages, even relatively simple ones like OP's, overwhelms people. Its why webtoons have gotten so popular.
Meme?
I don't see any meme in the OP
What are you talking about?
I see, I guess it shows that my slim experience with western comics is with stuff written by Stan Lee from that period
I think is for the same reason leftists memes are full of Text walls.
Comic artist think themselves as some sort of intellectuals who need to lecture or preach to the readers, it's almost autistic.
Not that there aren't any mangakas with autistically long texts (Togashi) but this trend is more common in comic that is full of SJWs.
This would be like if you based your opinion on all of manga solely on books that were coming out during that time when everyone was copying Fist of the North Star.
>left
mediocre
Almost nothing happens, and it happens blandly, but is a very quick read. Meh art.
>right
decent
Some references made to the Batman mythos, some characterization. Nice art.
mediocre/bad
Too many references made to the Batman mythos, meaning heavy editor involvement, and feels reliant on these connections. Some characterization, but comes off as artificial. Dialogue comes off as filler. Decent but boring art.
mediocre
Action is wonky despite being the focus. Nice comedic rhythm, though. Sloppy art.
mediocre
Lots of story in one page, but still, it's too much text. Okay art, kind of sloppy. Could be the recolors ruining some of the line art.
I can't stand these small speech bubbles in western comics
Western media is dense for cultural reasons, it's trying to give you more bang for the buck, even in animated shows, western cartoons try to tell a complete story in each episode and stuff is constantly happening and being animated, whereas anime is completely okay with having multiple episodes in a row be the story equivalent of an animation in-between, fuck all happening for 60+ minutes with maybe one or two pieces of information being revealed, and minimal animation.
Alright. I think OP's a moron, but lets go with this for a moment. OP, are you functional in Japanese? Because there are some translation issues.
Second, compare the more "breezy" comics like empowered or the scholastic shit, to the more "text dense" manga, lets pick...sayonara zetusbo sensei as an example.
>manga is ugly and lazy
>comics are good
WOAH!
Why can't manga do some interesting paneling
That's a particularly bad page that you posted. It's as if the images were almost irrelevant, just there to accompany the text, rather than the other way around.
Holy brainlet, what dumb broad generalizations. Even if they were true you have said nothing of value. Manga "flow" is generally awful, I have seen manga artists praise western creators for their superior panel layouts
Show me a manga page with this much sovl, there is a reason Spider-Man is worth billions of dollars to this day user
>Tim Burton used to say he could never read comics because the paneling was too confusing for him.
Many comics just do disgusting shit like pic related sometimes. Mixing all sorts of panel types rather than being clear. Burton said of Killing Joke "It's the first comic that I ever loved." and that comic has clear and well-defined panels.
mediocre
It's a gimmick that takes up a whole page and not much else. Pretty cool, anyway. I would liked to have seen rings in those tree cross-sections.
I forgot to mention that as well.
Is this meant to be silent or did you get a textless page?
>words words words are le good!
you must love leftist memes
manga does better paneling these days than comics
yes comics at their best are better I'm glad you asked you have my definitive opinion
I hate mixed paneling.
>Is this meant to be silent or did you get a textless page?
It's silent, Jesus Christ read some comics I don't care if they are from Japan or not if you are that media illiterate you need to actually read instead of just shitposting all day
>they hated him because he told the truth
>comic books are very wordy
Get a better bait
One of these days someone is going to pit euro comics against manga and we'll have an all out war. And us Ameribros can finally take a break and watch the fireworks.
Soon, brother
>Comic books tend to be a LOT busier than manga.
>TEND
>but text is another thing - comic books are very wordy. Characters sometimes spout entire paragraphs of dialogue, which slows the reading pace down quite a bit.
>SOMETIMES
Learn to read, retard.
>WAAAAAAAAA MY BROAD GENERALIZATIONS FROM TWO PANELS ISN'T TRUE AND I DIDN'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT ANYWAY STOP STOP THIS GENERALIZATION IS ALL I HAVE TO BAIT
Ok
Post some then
why are comics so wordy, bros? even the capeshit is full of drivel. looks like leftist meme at times.
He is a comic book fan, they're not known for their reading comprehension.
>an opinion with nuance is a generalization
imagine being this much of a faggot
I'm convinced that these new authors suffer from some from of autism, like most leftist cartoonist.
Now this is cope holy shit. Manga is quick, cheap dirty and careless. They aren't putting much thought into their compositions and layouts, manga artists receive high praise simply for saving a big reveal for the page turn which should be part of comic writing 101
Most leftist memes are like:
>capitalism sucks, I like anime femboys instead
Comic writers over compensate and shine despite their faults
Manga writers are artists too and therefore don't need to make themselves stand out.
American comics be like
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Good manga is not careless. It's very well designed and flows more naturally in terms of storytelling. The action in particular tends to be better in manga panels.