How did they go from this

Capitalism and marketability

I don't really think it has, there's been like 8 posts and they're mostly just probably deletefag whining about mirage being the best again and some guy fantasizing about turtle cuckqueaning

Moichandising!

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Leonardo has two swords user, TWO SWORDS
>Shank two ninjas at once
>Shank one ninja twice

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They toned it down by the second issue.

Short Version: Corporate cynicism.

Long Version: Playmates toys had some concerns about a lack of characters to make toys out of and so they crafted a bunch of new ones. When FW was hired to make a cartoon of said toys, they had some concerns about the violence, moral ambiguity and death. When David Wise was hired to write the plot, he didn't give a shit and just copied some shit he had already written for He-Man and Transformers. Further along, FW proved to be a piss poor business partner to Mirage and just ignored any input they had.

Horny people online.

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Uh, not really. In the second issue alone you get:
>A rat visibly getting gored to death.
>A sadistic murder attempt.
>A threat to destroy the World Trade Center (no, really).
And there are certainly violent and dark bits afterwards.

uhh.... probably because they wanted to make a kids show because that was the thing to do?
Kinda hard to air the first on a saturday morning to 10 year olds without complaints.

Its pretty self explanatory. I guess they could have gone the BtaS root, but idk if anyone felt strongly enough to put in that kinda work instead of going for the tried and true shtick.

third issue had them beating up innocent aliens
fourth had them shooting aliens

Leonardo does have two swords in that pic tho, the left sword is in the sheath still

and now while we do have crossovers with the 80s turtles its never actually the 80s cartoon turtles because viacom does not have the rights, its always implied they are the same but never out right confirmed, its usual the style guide turtles

Based bi Don

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To THIS?

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I still say that, after the first movie, 2012 was the peak adaptation. 2003 had some neat ideas, but Shredder as an alien didn't sit well, and Karai saying he was "the real victim" when she had a front row seat for his evil never made sense. And I can respect pet-rat-Splinter, but mutated human was just better. They made better use of April at first too (at least until it got silly), and The Kraang being basically an evil Utrom faction made for some nifty villains that worked better than the original Krang or the Utrom-Shredder, while leaving Shredder to be "Yoshi's old friend, that turned into a bitter and scarred dude that now just lives for vengeance."

Making a TV show wasn't actually Laird & Eastman's goal, what they wanted was a toyline, because merch is where the money is. Having a cartoon ended up being a stipulation for producing the toyline.
Action figure cartoons were booming in the 80s due to the Reagan administration loosening the rules about TV shows marketing to kids (there really was no such thing as an action figure show in the 70s). At the time the Turtles came out it was basically the norm to see toy companies fund an accompanying cartoon show to market a toyline.
Anyway, the money part certainly worked out, and even if the Mirage team had misgivings about the cartoon there's no denying it went a long way in popularizing the Turtles.

>And I can respect pet-rat-Splinter, but mutated human was just better.

I know it Yoshi-Splinter is more popular but I'll always prefer rat splinter because it makes him a more of an enigmatic character.

I've never felt it plays well for long. Yoshi's love for the turtles making him feel like he's still retained his humanity works so well.

>chemicals in the sewers turned the freaking turts gay

If they were to turn april into a mutant in the next series like they did with Karai, what would you have her turn into?

cat.
'straditional.

I'm still more of a "One giant two handed sword" guy to dual wielding.

granted, and interesting stuff that sounds right, but I think it still calls again to my point on wanting to market to a certain denomination. that primarilly being kids. Which it seems from your comment came through largely from the toys.

I think its because they wanted to try and be "Truer" to the original comic (Where the Ultrums were good), but still wanted to use a Krang analogue, so they tried to merge Shredder and Krang.

I do have to admit, it seems like the showrunners of TMNT often struggle to use both Shredder and Krang as co-equal antagonists without shredder stealing the show.

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I still love the bit where he's fighting with Karai for the first time in TMNT 2012.

Karai: "You're GOOD. But I've seen better."
Leonardo: "With ONE sword, maybe." [draws his second sword and charges again.]

Yeah, they stumbled a few times trying to balance the original comic with stuff from other sources they wanted to use. And not everything they brought over from Mirage was worth bringing over.

Yeah, but think how much better their new weapons are, like he can cut holes in reality! And mikey's meteor hammer is so much fucking cooler than nunchucks that you're going to hit yourself with.

Now that they finally have ninjitsu and magical powers like proper, REAL ninjas, they're finally doing them proper!

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if it's an arc or more turtle
if it's a one-off cat

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See, thats the thing, I always dislike the "Splinter misses his humanity " thing gets played out a lot. Even in 2012 where he sort of embraces being a rat and doesn't need to return to being human, just the fact that he has these ties lessens him to me because he's just a guy who got a bad break. I like him being his own entity unlike anything else, a solitary freak accident who made a family for himself with four other solitary oddities. The turtles are the only ones of their kind. If they ever have kids, they won't be their own, biologically, but other kids they take in(or maybe hybrids, if that Strycadon girl really did get knocked up)

And while people seem to hate the "rat learns martial arts" thing, I love how absurd it is. The little Jim Henson puppet mimicking the moves forever endeared me to that. . But to each there own.

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Because things go in waves of good and bad. At first it's good, then it gets worse, then it gets good again.

>if it's an arc or more turtle
Why? I would think you'd want to not use a turtle if its ongoing since it'd be ugly. You'd want a cuter, more human looking form for a girl if it was going to stick.

The turtle one would be better for a one off "Walk a mile in the turtle's shoes" kind of episode.

But that's the thing. 2012 didn't do a lot of "Splinter misses his humanity" because it made abundantly clear that he was happy with his life with the boys. He missed his wife, but that's different.

And that page is overposted and misleading as fuck. Hell, it was written by Stephen Murphy, the same guy that kept throwing girls at Raph and gave Leonardo a wife. "They're solitary oddities" wasn't the point of the book. In ONE story Murphy indicated that the guys could relate to an endangered species about to go extinct, but that's basically the only place where it came up in their stories.

And yeah, the "rat learns martial arts" thing is gloriously cheesy... for one or two stories. The more you stretch out the story the weaker it gets, and the weaker Splinter gets as a character.

To THIS!?

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mutagen

Its a hell of a drug.

HNNNNNNG

God, why can't they just reuse the classic design for April instead of remaking her all the time?

Because classic April primarily worked as a damsel in distress, and they don't want to do that any more, they want her as someone closer to the boys in age. And someone closer to the boys in age isn't going to be wearing a jumpsuit exactly like that... although there are workarounds.

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I agree, bring the back the frizzy hair.

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I think it'd be fun to do basically that one archie issue with actual consequences and time to play out. April always ends up torn between her friends and the rest of her life too so I figure there's just more to play with in general there if she's LITERALLY one of them and not just a cat in the background for a season.

I doubt it's that hard to make a turtle girl cute if you really needed to.

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I read Last Ronin but I thought it was just alright. I didn't actually know IDW had a new issue until just now though so thanks

Oh, the actual fans have been exhausted by the 2003 spammer and the "muh ninjas need to kill" retard.

Read the latest issue, enjoyed the latest issue, didn't feel a need to discuss the latest issue. It's at that part of the story where things are moving along at a good pace but there's not much new to discuss. Venus is "awake" and trying to help Donnie get everyone free, but they're all still DEEP up to their necks in shit... which we kinda knew they would be from where the last issue. It was a "looks like our heroes are about to get captured" to "they've been captured and are in serious trouble unless someone does something" transition. I don't immediately hate Nu-Seri (which is a good thing considering how awful the original was), but it's too early to be sure how the new Utrom story will turn out.

I mean, Krang is kind of redundant. the Turtles already have Shredder as a nemesis, and Krang really doesn't add anything to the dynamic. There's a reason they stopped using him as a boss in the arcade games and just defaulted to shredder as the final boss/villain.

>If you've got one villain, that's all you need, right?

Not... really, no.

There's this schizo who constantly spams low quality TMNT threads all day every day and has basically conditioned the whole board to ignore Turtles stuff. Sorry man.

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Toys. TMNT got the Robocop treatment (a thing for adults gets completely occupied by kids) except it was actually successful.

I don't really like how TMNT always degenerates into aliens and mysticism and kinda like the mutants-and-ninjas-weirding-up-relatively-normal-new-york, but the ooze is supposed to be from aliens and I think that's honestly a better idea than it being pure mad science. How would you handle the sci-fi and supernatural aspects of turtles?

Going to have to disagree with you. TMNT 2012 had a good approach, with Shredder being this oldschool menacing ninja who was dangerous because he was so good at close-quarters fighting and insanely focused on killing Splinter and the boys. He had some mutant minions, who were skilled humans that got transformed into skilled animal-men.

The Kraang were a very different threat, out to change the planet into something humans couldn't survive, and dangerous because they had sci-fi technology, sheer numbers, and the were willing to use abominations they'd made in their labs. Different types of threats give variety to the stories, and the different goals of the villains creates some interesting alliances and betrayals.

I'm probably wrong at this point but the distinct main guys that I feel like I notice are mirage baiter guy like this OP and the "I just want people to acknowledge 03 April pls pls" guy.

I hate to say that it but yeah, that's about it. He's burned out all the stuff to talk about because he feels the board constantly needs more TMNT discussions, even when there's nothing new to talk about. And more pictures of his waifu.

No, you got it all right.

There's a reason why Joker gets reused repeatedly while things like calender man get relegated to jokes or to be used to show how much shittier than the joker they are.

Arch Villains WORK. Why do you think they brought Goblin back in the no way home as the big threat/villain of the movie? Why do you think Osborne was behind all the threats in the amazing spiderman movies?
Because you just need a primary foe and then the rest are just filler.

>sheer numbers
When has that EVER worked out as a threat compared to just one really strong opponent? Conservation of ninjitsu hits hordes of enemies in cartoons HARD.

so in your estimation the idea of a rogues gallery is somewhat antiquated and every hero should simply have... a rogue

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I like the idea of a turtles series with one main focused plot that it's actually interested in sticking with even if it's surrounded by red herrings and diversions. One of the things that irritated me most about 2012 whenever I actually tried watching it was how it would introduce a plotline I kind of wanted it to see through and then just forget about it for a season or more before haphazardly wrapping it up. I like stories with strong direction that are conceptually simple at face value.

what works, works. and a single overarching villain tends to be what works.

Not that guy but I like variety and all, I just think that with turtles their extended rogues' galleries just kinda end up with them going all over the place. I'd like a series for instance that's explicitly about them tackling the foot as an organization and the whole show is about their progress in doing that as opposed to constantly getting distracted by 7 mutants of the week between plot progress and the alien invasion that cuts the main plotline in half

>what works, works. and a single overarching villain tends to be what works.

Depends on how long your story is. Just a movie? Great. A show with several seasons or a very long comic? Fuck no.