Superman

Did that really happen or is that a exaggeration?

no
people confuse Superman's ideals with Conservative America's ideals because he was born and raised in Kansas
like most superheroes (Batman being the biggest exception), Superman is an idealist who believes in setting a good example
he's against the Death Penalty for example, since it kills criminals instead of redeeming them
Batman is more likely to be Conservative, since he's basically an anti-crime fascist who would certainly 'advocate' against the Death Penalty as Bruce Wayne but wouldn't go against Gotham if they instituted it

He does not, has not, and never will. He was a social crusader in his earliest appearances, even in the 1950s when going against public norms was the commieyest thing to commie, he stood for acceptance beyond what the FBI would find reasonable, he and Lois Lane are almost always portrayed as news reporter who go after the rich and powerful who prey on the public, and DC finally changed his motto (from "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" to "Truth, Justice, and a better tomorrow") when it became painfully obvious that "the American Way" has been trampled to shreds by modern conservatives.

No.

Superman is a krytopian more than an American

>he was born and raised in Kansas
Was was born on Krypton.

>(Batman being the biggest exception),
>Batman is more likely to be Conservative, since he's basically an anti-crime fascist who would certainly 'advocate' against the Death Penalty as Bruce Wayne but wouldn't go against Gotham if they instituted it
Batman has gone against the death penalty many a time, proving time and again that many people sentenced to it aren't guilty of the crime they were sentenced for. You need to read more Batman.

false

conservatives will rip apart the constitution they cherish so much for a well kept military march

Yes rescues a North Korean nuclear sub and let's them sail away and later a military guy is chewing him for it and he responds saying his loyalty is to the world nor America implying that NK is only seen as bad because America says they are which is fucking horseshit.

Correct, they're purely reactionarys. Useless, stupid and cowardly.

WTF are you talking about?

Or he didn't want to cause an international incident that might easily escalate into a conflict that would cause massive loss of life, after just saving a bunch of lives.

Also that military guy was an asshole.

>was born on Krypton
you right, forgot about that, but his birthplace has nothing to do with the values he was raised to have
>Batman has gone against the death penalty many a time, proving time and again that many people sentenced to it aren't guilty of the crime they were sentenced for. You need to read more Batman.
Batman was pro death penalty in Long Halloween
as I said, he may advocate against it as Bruce Wayne, but Batman would absolutely NOT go against Gotham's government if they decided to institute a death penalty instead of sending everyone to Arkham or Blackgate

Many conservatives oppose the death penalty. Some for religious reasons and some for slightly less noble reasons of wanting to save the state money by doing away with the while process. You have a very limited and biased view of conservatism. Why did you choose to say something you surely knew someone would correct you on?

- Protecting American lives
- Opposing China
- Opposing Islamic terrorist
- Opposing cartels
- Opposing other street criminals
- Pro Self Defense rights
- Pro gun
- Pro 1A
- Anti Abortion
- Anti woke
- Pro Border Security
- Pro nuclear power

>Long Halloween
Son, if you think The Long Halloween is the be-all and end-all of Batman, you DEFINITELY need to read some more fucking Batman.

In TAS he is fine with a villain getting executed (and the guy realizes his secret identity right before the poison gas hits him)

Aside from protecting Americans, is Superman any of those other things you listed?

>Many conservatives oppose the death penalty.
No, people who think they're conservatives but are really more centrists oppose the death penalty, or don't have particularly strong opinions about it one way or the other. Few of them go out of their way to do much about it.

>implying that NK is only seen as bad because America says they are which is fucking horseshit.

He lets them go because the American military capturing and detaining a nuclear NK sub would be an international incident, you fucking idiot. He saves the people and then lets them go so that NK doesn't start whining about American aggressors kidnapping North Korean patriots and showcasing their Imperial hostility towards a sovereign nation, etc. which would be escalating relations between the two countries who already don't like each other.

>N-no all those people who prove I said something stupid are wrong and ACTUALLY it's like this

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He is absolutely pro self defense rights and I imagine he is moderately pro gun as his parents have been seen using guns to defend the farm like Alfred defends the cave.

He certainly isn't pro China in regards to their government and while he probably is sympathetic to some criminals he sure as hell isn't pro mass murder which Islamic terrorist and cartels are.

he's neither a conservative nor a socialist.
He's a liberal whose ideas are best expoused through politics like FDR or Kennedy's

I was giving an example that immediately contradicted the "You need to read more Batman" statement but okay, move whatever goalposts you want
it doesn't go against my point that he wouldn't go against Gotham if they decided to kill some of the criminals he captures
so the only policies he supports that Conservatives agree with are things that any rational person would agree with, got it
he'd probably be pro background checks for guns, too, like most Americans
and pro-choice, like about 70% of Americans
because he isn't a reactionary faggot like the Trumpers are

Lol. You can tell this user just went down his shitposting list and called it his "values."
Pathetic faggot.

>are things that any rational person would agree with
Except the left would literally defend the guys who did the Rwandan genocide if it happened today they are so deep into "brown people can do no wrong ever" psychotic territory.

The Washington Post literally called the worst terrorist on earth a "austre religious scholar" and "fact checked" Trump's claim that he died like a coward saying that him blowing himself and his children to pieces was defiant not cowardly.

>got it
>he'd probably be pro background checks for guns, too
We already have background checks for gun store purchases.

>he'd probably be pro background checks for guns, too, like most Americans
Yeah
>and pro-choice
Nah

>Except the left would literally defend the guys who did the Rwandan genocide if it happened today they are so deep into "brown people can do no wrong ever" psychotic territory.
wow you're fully delusional lol

Is Superman anti-woke?

Superman doesn't stand for "conservative values" in a political sense. He does represent "traditional values" which is inherently conservative though.

for gun store purchases, yeah
but there's tons of loopholes, like gun shows, that need to be closed
Superman's pro-people's freedom, he wouldn't want to restrict or remove abortion rights
even if he didn't personally agree with it, he would want others to have the right to choose

he literally changed his motto from "the American Way" to "a Better Tomorrow"
he's a lib now

Did you not see the example I gave?

Or then simping for Solemani who killed hundreds of US soldiers and was the #1 exporter of terrorism in the world.

Or them ignoring that almost all the anti-Asian hate crimes were by black people.

Or them calling Trump a serial killer because he dared to push forward the executions of a black man who burned Christians alive and another guy who sexually absused his baby, burned her with cigs and then crushed her skull.

nice examples, shame it's a vocal minority of the Left that even said or believed that shit

There is no such thing as the gunshow loophole. At a gunshow a store still has to background check people buying from them. Citizens can sell to each other without a check but that is true elsewhere and has nothing to do with the gunshow.

Citizens can sell to each other without a check but that is true elsewhere and has nothing to do with the gunshow
the term "gunshow loophole" is just what people call it, but yes, that's something that needs better regulation
and Superman would be all for that regulation

The entire party and all the 2020 candidates (except yang & tulsi) agreed with the woke ideology behind the defense of those monsters hence the BLM riots.

>that's something that needs better regulation
No it doesnt. The idea that a husband has to background check his wife to give her his gun for self defense or a father to his son is fucking retarded.

>he literally changed his motto
You mean the writers change the motto used by his bi son.

>right to choose
To choose to do what? He can literally see the baby growing in a woman at microscopic level and detect the aura of life, why would he be OK with killing an innocent in this situation but not another?

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In the comic he stops an innocent man from being executed. In STAS the guy was guilty

I made a thread that ruffled some feathers a while back after the Steven Universe movie. I was lamenting how live-action DC can never seen to do Superman right, (though some of the animated portrayals are nearly perfect) and then I came across this scene in the movie

youtube.com/watch?v=_lR1YG3coNg

And it just hit me. This is exactly what Superman is supposed to be. All the power in the world, but instead of beating the enemy up, just letting the her wail on him uselessly to vent her frustration, and trying to help her out of her bad situation

That's liberal as it gets, as far as I'm concerned. Those with power try to uplift those without, try to understand each other, why they feel the way they do, and often you'll identify real underlying problems that you haven't had to experience in your privileged life. Then just... try to help fix it.

There's a reason his main villain is Bald Elon Musk

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So does he think every woman is automatically murderer when they miscarry? Even when it's an ectopic pregnancy and has to be aborted he thinks it's murder because muh life starts at conception? When it's an eleven years old girl he condemns that rape victim for getting an abortion?

People were way more paranoid about communism in the 50s and I'm pretty sure some circles considered supes sus as fuck because he saved people for free.

>So does he think every woman is automatically murderer when they miscarry?
No because miscarriages are accidents.

> Even when it's an ectopic pregnancy and has to be aborted he thinks it's murder because muh life starts at conception?
No because that would qualify as self defense.

Well yeah, that's specifically why they started to turn Superman from a radical 30s hero to America's fictional dad who is perfect, hugs the flag and stands for all the politically correct American values.

>and I'm pretty sure some circles considered supes sus as fuck because he saved people for free.
The fuck does that have to do with communism?

That's what conservative means in politics though.

communism is the ideology of le money is bad and everyone should just sacrifice for common good.

Nope. Superman with conservative values is Icon.
And Icon sucks because of it.

Are you suggesting abortion should be limited to medical emergencies and rape/sex crimes? I think Superman would agree to that. Miscarriage isn't a choice btw.

If life is sacred and starts at conception then that is still murder. By this logic Superman would also be against IVF because not all the eggs survive.

Aren't a few versions of Superman a test tube baby because of Krypton having weird hang ups about sex?

I'm just trying to follow the logic the other user said using Waid's life halo argument.

>Miscarriage isn't a choice btw.

Ultra conservatives tend to think that any miscarriage has to be investigated in order to prove it wasn't a self-induced abortion, i.e. murder. And like to say that if you smoke, drink, do drugs, etc. then you are directly contributing to the miscarriage with your actions. That's why in Latin America they throw women in jail if they suspect the miscarriage wasn't "natural".

In politics conservative means whatever a lefty wants to strawman, and whatever a righty wants when campaigning.

Superman has basic human empathy. He's the opposite of a conservative.

If we ignore political science and its definitions yes that tends to be the case just like any other word in politics.

Byrne introduced that idea to make Superman legally American by having him be "born" on American soil when he gets out of the birthing pod/rocket.

>-Whatever my corporate masters tell me my values are

ftfy