Is he right, Yea Forums? Not dedicating your life to the arts is wasting it? Any books that deal with this issue?

stfu faggot. go back to reading Jofag Memerson and remember to clean your dick.

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I have the same feeling about science. I'm close to completing my PhD thesis in applied mathematics and it has so little mathematics in it that it feels wrong to even call it a thesis. The title I deserve is closer to "Completer of an unreasonably long and remarkably unsignificant internship at a company with no interest in mathematics".

And I will only qualify for jobs I hate while my buddy who are not retarded are literally going to get paid for fooling around with nice pure mathematics.

I have done nothing but studying for the past 10 years and I'm not even mediocre at what I do. I should have just done weed and dropped out like a retard. Same level of achievement without the work.

In others words: yes OP, he's right, but there's no guarantee that the arts will even accept your life as offering.

You're on the literature board, so everyone will agree with you. If you post this on /sci/ you'll just get a horde of butthurt anons trying to convince themselves that their life is worth living.
It took me merely 3 months in STEM to realise my true calling. Even the greatest scientists such as Einstein or Planck weren't remembered for who they were, only what they did.

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History has remembered exactly 0 people for 'who they were'. A man can only be judged on his actions. I can decide I'm a great philosopher and spend all my time trying to convince people i'm an intellectual but until I write a book or something it matters for fuck all.

Wittgenstein published exactly one thin book in his life time, which he refuted completely afterwards. Everyone on this board remembers him for his stark, eccentric personality. Compare him to Einstein, who is only capable of unsophisticated opinions that are 50 years behind his time when confronted with anything outside his field.

Go back to /int/ faggot

Hello Anons.
Researcher in maths here, usually user of /sci/.
Browsing for the first time Yea Forums in a serious way today.
Ex-gf was a literature teacher. You all made quite some strong statements.
So my question is, why so much hate. We are all perfectably capable of complex thought as I guess you might have. We do not negate the importance of non-stem subjects.

>mid-tier actor
>unimaginable bliss
Being a musician for hire to get around isn't the worst cause most professional situations will involve you playing stuff that's at least got some artistry going to it, even if it is just the playing itself.
Being a Hallmark movie-tier actor doesn't have the artistry, it's just a soulless grind making shit movies for old hags with early dementia to see.

another lazy thread with nothing in it relating to books, good job Yea Forums

People here who deride STEM are typically not talking about researchers in maths. They're talking about engineers and programmers who perform the same tedious routine everyday for years for a paycheck. Mathematicians, theoretical physicists, archeologists... no one has anything against them.

>We do not negate the importance of non-stem subjects.
False, every scientist, mathematician, physicist, statistician, etc that’s ive met have competly disregarded philosophy as a useful field of study. Go on /sci/ and post about philosophy, you’ll be disregarded as a brainlet immediately, this is becuase most /sci/entists are too autistic and trained to hate it

Ah ok.
Then we have something in common.
Although pay attention, there is a class of programmers that deserve all the respect in the world. If you ever heard about the functional programming paradigm (e.g. Haskell), that is, in my opinion, computer science at his finest. Such elegance, a translation of the world as a flow.

I have one musician friend from years back. He's dirt broke but goes around touring with this little band all over the country and loves it. After years of doing it though the thought dawns on you that your changes of "making it" beyond that are slim and that lifestyle will start to lose its luster before long.

Being sour about someone choosing an engineering career path sounds like something a pretentious kid with no life experience would do. Those are higher paying career paths than a PhD in romantic comedies. Sometimes money needs to be made without vain thought of glory or prestige that the "arts" are supposed to convey. Which, hint, they mostly don't.

The true patrician has room in his mind for both STEM and the arts.

Yes, but I never said that /sci/ was a good board. I mostly go there to roast brainlets.
We discuss of philosophy in my office.

>a pretentious kid with no life experience would do
You've got it wrong. It's frequently the victims of the STEM meme, those who actually went through university and found a middling engineering job, who are sour.

True. I like authors like A.C. Clarke. He's a very interestig fella.
Or A. Huxley.

Programming can have the same amount of beauty in it as mathematics. At the higher levels it's intellectually satisfying. And it's similar in that it's not as easily accessible or appreciated. The same could be said about about a Shostakovich concerto.

There's two kinds of programmers, one who does the day to day screw-turning drudgery and system designers. Top tier programmers not only make tons of money but they also get to design algorithms or mechanisms that have changed the world. Either way there are worse ways to put beans in the pot.

Taking a STEM career path is safer because industry relies on it. But I know of many humanities majors who simply graduated only to be completely sidelined for the rest of their careers. The chances of your screenplay getting picked up are smaller than you'd hope.

Mediocrity in any field is painful and disappointing.

Thanks for that. I was just coming up with an example to try to tell not to make a generalization. You need to be a bit pragmatic sometimes on this website.
Overall I like the way discussions are handled on this board.
Should have come here before.

That said, Yea Forums fellas, how taking public transport with a copy of Infinite Jest will increase my likelihood of meeting a girl who will possibly tolerate my moderate misogynistic view of the world?

I'm a stemfag and my biggest dream is to find a job where I can do actual work for 1-2 hours and then browse the internet or otherwise dick around for the rest of my day. I've done some visual arts gigs but I found them incredibly stressful and I hate stress. I don't think drawing for a living would be any less awful than doing any other job (no one cares about drawings in the first place, except porn addicts). The only truly great life is one where you do basically nothing. Reading books is fine because you don't really do anything anything then.

I have actually done a minor in aesthetics and I have to admit that studying humanities sucks just as much as studying stem. Effort is overall a terrible thing and I'll gladly leave it to those who are more passionate than me. The worst thing about the current job market is that jobs for people like me are very rare, it is a dictatorship of the passionate.

Wagecuckery sucks no matter the field, that's really the core of the problem.

>Wagecuckery sucks no matter the field, that's really the core of the problem.
You're right. No banker, programmer, academic or even painter should be proud of their day job. True creative activity can never be a job; you can be a professional beggar but you must only be an amateur writer. The problem with scientists is that they are the people most likely to convince themselves that their job is meaningful, ESPECIALLY those in theoretical fields like physicists or mathematicians.
Of course, artists only make up a tiny part of the population, but we are on a niche board of a soviet daydreaming forum to begin with, so we want everyone to lead colourful lives.

I think Sábato said it best. His idea was that a writer should never be a writer, but rather have a job as unrelated to writing as possible. That way he won't be tempted by selling his art(as in, living only out of the fruits of your writing, like a pulp novelist or something of the sort), and will experience life like anyone else, and from those experiences understand the human soul in a deeper way. If you become a writer and only a writer, you'll end up not knowing what being a person in our times is. You won't feel the struggles of work, money, friendships and love in the same manner as everyone else does.

>, it's just a soulless grind making shit movies for old hags with early dementia to see.
lmao

i was about to write a diary post about being a legitimately successful musician and then i didn't because this isn't my blog and i'd sound like a faggot bragging. in short it's my opinion that dedicating your life to art is the most noble cause and most fulfilling thing a person can do no matter the medium. it's competition with yourself on how far and how skillfully you can push your abilities and the best part is when you can look back at your catalog of work and see how much you've developed your craft over time

It's no wonder Yea Forums has nothing but contempt for STEM. They're too stupid to understand and cannot engage well enough with STEM subjects to see its applications in the real world. I will say this: in my modest 4 years of thermodynamic-heavy engineering degree I learned more about the world, and gained more humility than 15 years of reading philosophy books.
Philosophy, literature and art should only be a hobby, mind-exercise or a stepping stone into Law or Economics.
Only a true pseud would study academic philosophy for the sake of philosophy.

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The only subject in humanities worthy of respect is History.

>Philosophy, literature and art should only be a hobby, mind-exercise or a stepping stone into Law or Economics.
We wouldn't even have half the philosophy, literature and art we currently have, though. It can be a hobby but nothing truly good could come out of this. It requires a certain degree of professionalism and dedication beyond being a pastime you do for the laughs.

>Application in the real world
Exactly why it's for faggots like you

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that's up to you.

Well in my case I just think the mechanical nature of stem can blind some people to actual reflection and it being pushed into everyone’s throats since young makes me even less interested. Althoug a lot of people didn’t like to write essays on To Kill A Mocking Bird, for example, they did, and a dislike of literature might have grown from that on some of them, and that’s how a lot of people on this board feel about having to study stem, in my eyes, at least.

I was thinking about posting a deep reflection about it but it’s really late on my timezone so I’ll just throw some buzzwords and hope someone guesses what I mean
>Nietzche
>The Origin Of Tragedy (or whatever it was called)
>Human thoughts
>some stem bashing to fill time
>I don’t know man I just wish I was at home reading James Joyce ugh why is math class a thing (how I’ve felt about the issue as a teen)
>Herbert Marcuse
>Individualism
>Neon Genesis Evangelion
>Auguste Conte
>Philosophy
>Sociology
>Like, humanity, man

sounds fascinating, can you recc some literature on it

>intense Sanpaku
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how does being "redpilled" involve such intensely trained pavlovian responses to a small number of codewords regardless of context

not him but sounds like alot of Bataille, Schopenhauer, and a bunch of metaphysical stuff.

For bataille start with the accursed share and go from there;for Schopenhauer start with fourfold root and then move on to the world as presetation(idea,representation)** I and II respectively then for metaphysical stuff read Guenon's first book and lurk here for more charts on specific stuff or if your interested in solely hinduism i guess keep going with guenon.

As for mainlander, I have no idea most of his stuff is in german their seems to be a translation on wikipedia.

how can a PhD in applied mathematics have little math in it?

yes exactly
i have a stimulating stem job that pays well, and spend my time on my art, and am blessed that i dont have to worry about commercializing it
perhaps its insecurity, but i also am rebuffed by the notion of making any of my work available for “transacting” — i feel the critical mindset might be influenced by the situation, “here, i paid $20 for this from you, i have transacted it, and here is what dissatisfies me with it”

Didn't expand the image but I can see that's it's a cap of a Yea Forums post so no of course not

You sure picked up the habit of this place very quickly.

More precisely it's a sepcial kind of PhD that's a partnership between academia and a private company, and it is in applied statistics. I studied only mathematics and physics before this PhD and I was recruited on the assumption that I would have to do significant mathematical work.

My advisor, who works on nonparametric statistics, even told me he did the same kind of PhD and was fine with the amount of math it involved. So I had a few reasons to expect that my training in mathematics would be put to good use.

In the end I was mostly used as a code monkey. I implement a method that cannot be understood unless you have some grasp of theoretical statistic but I had no part in designing it. And since I had no prior training in coding, it took me forever to make an industrial-level implementation, and there won't be time for the scant mathematics I could have hoped to work on before defending the thesis.

TL;DR: I got cucked, never get into a partnership with a private company for your PhD thesis.

The whole world is nothing than a large town.

what a pathetic faggot

well that's LITTERALLY ME

which kind of stem, which medium of art? just curious