Why isn't the Italian School of political science better known?

Why isn't the Italian School of political science better known?

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Why isn't Amadeo Bordiga more appreciated among Marxists?

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Sorry I don’t speak Italian

Because he was right about everything and that hurts the feelings of the LARPers.

A lot of the writers haven't been translated to English and they are also typically extreme realistic about the current situation they lived in. This means it won't be popular with idealist and other political pawns of the ruling political parties, which in turns mean it won't be "popular". However, they are usually right about what they say, it is just black pilled and sobering for those who grew up on utopian/idealism so they try to discount it any chance they get.

People like to believe in 'history from below' because it legitimizes post-1789 political ideologies.

pareto wrote in english
he's known for his works in economics, but he was also one of the main ideologues of the italian right wing reactionary/elitist school

It is? Anyone studying politics will come across elite theory.

That's all well and good, but why is it all out of print???

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Agamben is based

Because it makes Anglo Progressives feel bad

Is there any reason why people seem to be incessantly trying to draw lines in the sand with regard to nationality or heritage? None of that shit fucking matters and I literally want to piss on your so-called ancestors.

But yeah, Pareto was okay. Walras was the better Lausanne school economist/mathematician. :3

Yeah there are definitely some translated in English for sure. Although there are some books by Mussolini that never got translated to English due to his place in history in what not. I know it's considered edgey to talk about him, but he actual had an interesting take on the world and was influenced by some of the great thinkers. I know he wrote a book called the philosophy of strength that seems interesting, but unfortunately I still don't understand Italian well enough to read it.

The implication of elite theory make it incompatible with any progressive or socialist worldview, and most forms of modern liberalism as well. You need to at least be a centre-right liberal or conservative to even begin to accept it.

With the hegemony of progressivism in the humanities, it's not going to make a comeback anytime soon.

Michels and Mosca can both be bought as on-demand classics reprints.

>"Can't we just dissolve all borders and be one big happy orgyporgy?"
>":3"

What a surprise

What are some authors worth reading in this school? I can read Italian, so don't be scared to suggest me untraslated authors

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A border is more than just historical necessity.
:3

I already know about him (although I have not read him yet), but I have never heard of Gaetano Mosca (nor I know who are the other members of this "school")

Of Bordiga, I would recommend Fundamentals of Revolutionary Communism as a starting point

cringed irl

I just read a very short definition of elite theory. Tell me, how is it not the baseline belief for anyone with a brain? It seems implicitly and provably true.

Michel's iron law of oligarchy best explains elite theory: any political system will turn into an oligarchy over time, due to this reason the problem of government will always be struggle between a corrupt small elite and other political and social forces trying to limit its power of even rob this elite of its power to take it for itself.

Thus ideologies which want to make the people rule - idealistic democracy, anarchism, socialism etc. - are impossible from the point of view of elite theory. They will not end this eternal cycle and just put another (oligarchical) elite of their own making in place. As the American elite theorist James Burnham put it in his The Machiavellians: "Democrats and socialists can win, but democracy and socialism can't win."

For this very reason Burnham demystifies democracy in the same book and states it should not be about the right to vote, the rule of the people etc., but about the right of social forces to form oppositions and to criticise the ruling (oligarchical elite).

James "let me just plagiarize everything" Burnham

He's pretty open that all his ideas come from Mosca, Michels and Pareto. He just gives his own policy conclusion based on their work at the end of the book.

What kind of fucks should I give if some no name European cringes on a website?

>Is there any reason why people seem to be incessantly trying to draw lines in the sand with regard to nationality or heritage?
to reduce conflict you absolute brainlet?

>no countries or borders
>people raid and invade each other, killing and looting everything
>suddenly BOOM laws, boundaries and domains
>you stay on your side of the line and we on our side
>countries and people still fight each other now and then but much less frequently than constant tribal fucking warfare
>anybody who trespasses the boundaries gets punished and countries are forced to take responsibility for their citizens
the only reason you think borders are silly is because you have never lived without them

There isn't one school but people ranging from milquetoast liberals (Bobbio, Sartori) to those that read everything written in French (Agamben) to a caleidoscope of marxists old and new (Gramsci, Bordiga, Toni Negri, Bifo Berardi...)

>Is there any reason why people seem to be incessantly trying to draw lines in the sand with regard to nationality or heritage?
Unironically because of your second sentence.
>None of that shit fucking matters and I literally want to piss on your so-called ancestors.
Nations form out of defense against "the other", the "enemy." This friend-enemy distinction is what creates politics, and the state emerges as a tool in the war against enemies.

is italian language difficult to learn? i heard its one of the easiest to learn. would it be worth it to learn it?

>would it be worth it to learn it?

It's worth it if you have the discipline and at least one author you really really want to read in Italian. Having the means to travel to Italy every once in a while helps too.

>learn it
easy
>master it
very hard apparently, I have met extremely few foreigners who speak proper italian.

It shouldn't be. People who come from shit (and are almost always shit themselves) don't like thinking about the shit they came from. They also don't like others thinking about the good things their ancestors did because it makes them jealous.

What do foreigners usually fuck up? Is it mostly composition/speaking, or understanding too? Do you think I could read good reading competence if that's my main goal?

I was going to start learning Italian this summer maybe. I know three romance languages (Latin/French/Romanian) so I figured it would be fairly easy. It seems a lot less messy and irregular than French.

>reach good reading competence*

is what I meant to say.

no it's mostly composition as you said, also there's some difficult verbs like congiuntivo which only other romance speakers seem to get right, I believe writing shouldn't be so difficult since there's very few irregularities in pronunciation.
understanding won't be that difficult as well, unless someone speaks to you in thick regional accent, standard italian is quite clear.
>Do you think I could read good reading competence if that's my main goal?
yeah sure, depending on the book you're reading you might be looking up some words more often but you should be able to get the jist of it.
>It seems a lot less messy and irregular than French.
I wouldn't know because I speak three words of french but it may be possible.
Romanian is quite different from Italian but you'll recognize a lot of the words with a latin root.
and finally if you learned latin you'll also learn Italian easily, the vast majority of italian words come from latin too so you'll have an easier time with vocabulary.

>What do foreigners usually fuck up?
mostly pic related
even italian paesants do it and we have a laugh about it
a few days ago the #1 trend on italian twitter was about a facebook page where you can ask info about NEETbux, and a lot of people legit couldn't write a complete sentence lol

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