The west will never be able to do comics/manga like Japan does, not with its obsession with color. The color jacks up the production time and the print cost.
There's also the completely different cultures. Amerifats are always in cars but Japan's public transportation infrastructure means people can have an hour or more to kill a day on the trains. This gives you a built-in captive audience who will always need something fun to fill the time.
Then there's the fact that American comic artists can't survive in America on their shitty comic book wages with no healthcare, and get no help from their publishers. Japanese publishers help their artists layout their books, secure assistants, even find housing, and the national healthcare is always there.
Japan's just a superior place for comics. Americans don't want to read, don't have time to read, and certainly don't have the money to blow on comics printed like fine art books and pamphlets instead of like the consumable pulp trash they're supposed to be.
Incels can blame fags 'til their neckbeards turn blue, but the real villain is America itself. It is a country of fatasses with a failed infrastructure, and its art and entertainment scene reflects that elegantly.
>AMERICA BAD, JAPAN GOOD I think it says something when not even Yea Forums dick sucks Nippon like that.
Julian Scott
>False No, it's true. The US wasn't even the first Western country.
Carter Powell
>Western comics will never be as good as manga because westerners actually put effort into their art >America has no public transport >Americans have no healthcare >Americans are illiterate >something about incels I agree on all points I just don't know why it's relevant
Aiden Kelly
Brevoort was right and causing outrage led to strong sales. It wasn't doing JMS numbers but Dying Wish and several years after that were the best it did post-OMD. These are bait threads made by the same user everyday at around the same time.
Adrian Russell
My point still stands. Japan is the only good place for comics.
Brody Peterson
America sucks and is the reason comics are bad. We need to get rid of America.
Benjamin Flores
Can you recommend me some manga? I can't seem to find any more good ones, preferably one volume only
Josiah Williams
>I agree on all points Thank you! This board sucks off America so much; I wish we had more people shitting on it.
Hudson Roberts
The comics are great, Americans are just hellbent on strangling the industry
But I hate America. Every problem in the world can be blamed on America
Kevin Foster
Even if comics sales in the US are not as good as manga sales, they're still pretty good, which means people are interested in comics. What they're not interested in is all this woke shit. That's another cancer you didn't mention.
Colton Wood
Keep seething Amerifat. Your country is the worst in the world.
Lincoln Howard
Don't hate the player, hate the game :DD
Wyatt Nelson
Read my post again. Woke shit isn’t the problem, it’s this hellmouth of a country.
Juan Peterson
It's not *the* problem, but it is *a* problem.
Gabriel Torres
>pulp trash Oh shit not THIS fag again. Don't you have anything better to do than shit your pants over superhero comics?
Owen Scott
It's funny how much weebs are desperate to become contrarians now that people aren't getting bullied (as much) for watching anime
well for starters don't go reading anything created in the last 10 years as those are either super boring or fucking shit
Owen Cook
Most of this isn't even critiquing comics and is just hateful spite being thrown at America while praising Japan as this utopian society. Even if I agreed with your points, how would that automatically preclude good comics from being produced in the west.
>and certainly don't have the money to blow on comics printed like fine art books and pamphlets instead of like the consumable pulp trash they're supposed to be. Ffs, most of the most popular manga titles are shonen and isekai. How is that not "pulp"?
color takes very little time compared to drawing and inking. pay them shit too, which is why the coloring is so bad and ruins the artwork 99% of the time.
Nolan Gutierrez
Let's be honest, this is more correct than anything else here. You can write entire political scribes about how Americans are genetically unable to come up with good comics but really it's because hacks would rather check off boxes than make a fun story.
Jeremiah Cook
That's what he's saying. Comics are printed as le expensive hardcover in full color or le softcover but still not cheap meanwhile manga is printed in cheap paper with softcovers. That's a HUGE barrier of entry and what his point is about. It takes the hobby from being forany reader with some bucks in his pocket to a hobby for collectors and specialists.
Daniel Moore
I have a few of his books, huge fan. Reminds me of western comics a lot but they are still distinctly Japanese and unique to manga
Oliver Anderson
Yes.
Mason Edwards
I really like Uzumaki. The art feels non-anime like, which is refreshing. People don't have these absurd eyes and whacky costumes but rather look normal.
Kayden Cook
Anime is such garbage. Why can’t they be normal?
Aaron Richardson
>Amerifats are always in cars WHY CAN'T OUR RETARD GOVERNMENT FIX PUBLIC TRANSPORT?!?!?!? ONLY IN BURGER LAND DOES A 1 HOUR CAR TRIP TAKE FUCKING 4, COUNT IT, FOUR FUCKING HOURS ON PUBLIC TRANSPORT!!! FUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKK!!!
He could have just said this instead of going off on a retarded tangent on how America and its media sucks. We do need reduced pricing on collected volumes for real though.
Camden Thompson
>not with its obsession with color. How is it an obsession?
Andrew Ward
I had this attitude. It’s shit to have.
Lucas Rogers
not him but why?
Lincoln Adams
East Vs west is vital for developing good taste and to weed out pulp trash. It’s no different from olden media of the folklore.
Austin Moore
Tons of time wasted on coloring. Also jacks up the price. All you really need is the cover to be colored.
No, because they don't attempt to color every book like Western companies do. it's consider something extra and premium.
Nicholas Perez
None of that indicates an obsession, just a stylistic choice. Black and white comics do exist in the West.
Adam Nelson
This is why I fucking hate Eurocomics. Stop coloring your shit already.
Gabriel Sullivan
Not every western comic is coloured and the ones that aren't are intentionally black and white unlike most manga which just feels like it is missing colour. What you mean to say is manga is generally more stylised and has the ability to lack detail for speed purposes
Adrian Rodriguez
>Black and white comics do exist in the West. Sure, but the mainstream ones are rarely in b&w. What's funny is that in superhero comics, the companies go the other way around: from color to b&w (which is just a gimmick to get more money).
Henry Wright
Obsessed.
Dominic Cruz
Ok but the big two should always colour their comics
Kayden Allen
See
Jose Clark
The walking dead is black and white and outsold basically everything in color for years a while back.
Jace Carter
As I said the big two should always colour their comics
This doesn't work because OMD + part of BND was intended to provoke outrage, and did way worse than JMS and Slott's Superior (and onwards) run
Slott's run had a very unusual push from Superior onwards which can't be explained by outrage marketing alone.
Mason Torres
No it's not, they should use their resources to get talented people together to produce a higher quality product. Let the indie publishers work on smaller scale projects in less colour so they can compete, maybe do some fun less intensive more creative black and white or less coloured projects
>not with its obsession with color. true white men simply are not allowed to be cool or heroic anymore due to liberals creepy obsession with "social justice" aka trying to hatred and discrimination against white men
Jaxon Gomez
90% of current manga is either virgin wish fufillment or basic bitch shonen action with the same character dynamics, don't kid yourselves. The only reason they sell is that american comic book companies only really care about hoarding licenses and have the business mentality of a dinosaur who still thinks LCS are relevant way after the bubble happened, meanwhile, shit like Naruto is basically sold everywhere from Barnes & Nobles to Wallmart.
Read Creator-owned comics rather than regurgitated shit from publishers that only serve to deliever characters for film producers to milk. And read gekiga instead of manga.
Aiden Ross
>Read Creator-owned comics rather than regurgitated shit from publishers that only serve to deliever characters for film producers to milk. And read gekiga instead of manga. Those are shit too.
Gavin Brown
You're saying it doesn't work that way and yet you can't explain how it happened. Let me add something more to it. It was a shake up that a lot of people liked or at least found fascinating enough to continue following. But the outrage is what got it attention. It was those two things that worked in its favor.
Ryder Gomez
Isn't gekiga a type of manga? That's like saying to read graphic novels instead of comics; kind of redundant.
Austin Morris
>Japanese publishers help their artists layout their books, secure assistants, even find housing, and the national healthcare is always there. And also works them to the point they die of heart failure at 50. LOL
Jaxon Turner
It doesn't because if it was true that outrage sold, then BND would've consistently sold instead of declining badly. Secret Empire was one of the poorest performers of the 2010s Marvel events and that had way more outrage than Superior Spider-Man.
William Allen
>Amerifats are always in cars but Japan's public transportation infrastructure means people can have an hour or more to kill a day on the trains. Do you not know about new york subway, retard?
