>“I think the impact of superheroes on popular culture is both tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying,” said Moore. “While these characters were originally perfectly suited to stimulating the imaginations of their twelve or thirteen-year-old audience, today’s franchised übermenschen, aimed at a supposedly adult audience, seem to be serving some kind of different function, and fulfilling different needs.”
>He continued, “Primarily, mass-market superhero movies seem to be abetting an audience who do not wish to relinquish their grip on (a) their relatively reassuring childhoods, or (b) the relatively reassuring 20th century. The continuing popularity of these movies to me suggests some kind of deliberate, self-imposed state of emotional arrest, combined with a numbing condition of cultural stasis that can be witnessed in comics, movies, popular music and, indeed, right across the cultural spectrum.”
>“I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators) these books and these iconic characters are still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race,” Moore said. “In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s ‘Birth of a Nation’ as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks.”
What does this guy smoke?
Seethium
Sounds like he's overdosing on sobriety.
Dude he's literally trolling you and you don't even know it. He's getting into your head and fucking with you thus embarrassing you in front of everyone.
What was the point of making a billionth thread about this quote?
He's senile and still based.
Fuck capeshitters.
Truth serum, cause he's right.
Seems like the tards raging every time he opens his mouth are the ones seething.
>i was just pretending to be retarded
The Birth of a Nation is the first superhero film?? How's that being right?
Moore seethes because he lost the rights to arguably his best and most well-known creation. He comes from a place of bitterness, not from a place of honesty.
I was curious on the timing of this. Birth of a Nation predates Zorro by 4 years, but comes 10 years after the creation of The Scarlet Pimpernel, who Stan Lee said was the first character who could be called a superhero. Of course, as Moore would know better than almost anyone, there's also the legendary Spring-Heeled Jack of enormous popularity in the Victorian era, who was described as being "disguised in a skin coat, which had the appearance of bullock's hide, skullcap, horns and mask".
Because saying a thing that is right (Birth of a Nation is the first superhero film) makes the person saying it right. Pretty simple, really.
>He comes from a place of bitterness, not from a place of honesty.
"he mad" is funny on Yea Forums but isn't actually a rebuttal of what Moore is saying. Bitter or not, what he's saying is right. It's the ones who don't like him being right who can't stop seething.
samefag
dilate
I don't think is right. Moore is clearly mad about what he perceives as DC doing to him, but his 80s mainstream superhero work was celebrated precisely because it took a non-mainstream approach. He was clearly already chaffing against the confines of the genre, that's basically the point of Watchmen. Even in a world where he didn't fall out with DC, I really can't imagine him still doing mainstream cape work for much longer, or not continuing to heavily critique it.
And? Respond with an argument or concede that I'm right.
no
He right bruv. He's not even making a ridiculous claim he's just calling adults who think marvel movies are masterpieces manchildren but in more words.
I should combine these.
No shit that's kinda why rewriting history and making his own character Hooded Justice the "first" caped crusader is fucking ironic. Congratulations Moore, you got played.
But he's wrong. He cannot say a wrong thing and still be right. Checkmate, faggots.
Maybe but still, Birth of a nation is not the first superhero film. It's not even a superhero film at all. It doesn't matter how many times the marxist trannies repeat it.
elaborate
>I would also remark that save for a smattering of non-white characters (and non-white creators)
90% of these characters where created when the US was over 90% white.
It's a mystery as to why they are white...
Also, how is it that in Alan Moore's comics practically every character is white ?
It's a "superhero film" in the sense that he has defined it, in that it served the exact same purpose to its audience in 1915 that modern superhero movies do to their audiences now.
>it served the exact same purpose to its audience in 1915 that modern superhero movies do to their audiences now.
lol what the fuck absolutely not
>It's a "superhero film" in the sense that he has defined it
No.
Why not?
1. Big dumb action scenes
2. Mindless ra-ra American jingoism
3. Whipping up hatred of "dangerous others"
Where's the difference?
>the relatively reassuring 20th century
I still can't believe he said this when literally the entire setting for his most popular comic was the fucking cold war.
The 20th century was arguably one of the most war-torn centuries in human history with some of the deadliest conflicts.
If you use wide-enough terms you can connect the most disparate things as well. This doesn't mean that BoaN served the exact same purpose to its audience than capeshit does today.
Birth of a nation was a historical drama with the purpose of telling what the writer believed was actual real history. It was acontroversial movie that drew in protests at premieres. Superhero movies are mindless fun that are made to be accessible and non-controversial as possible to an international audience that just wants to see iron man blow up bad guys.
>relatively reassuring 20th century
2 world wars, great depression, vietnam, cold war/nuclear annihilation, massive environmental degradation, rise of transnational corporate conglomerates, AIDS, gulf war, cia coups the world over, etc...
i thought moore was smart
This might clear things a little bit as to why he said that. No elaboration needed.
How much of that happened on American soil?
Of course not. Birth of a Nation was for entertainment. Modern capeshit movies are for mass brainwashing.
>ITT: anons overanalyzing a tongue and cheek joke Moore made in 2017 because they can't cope with people not liking MCU films
His own country was in a war for some island near South America and went through the giga cunt that was Thatcher. Entire areas of England were bombed by the Germans in WW2 (including historial sections) and this faggot comes and said it was "relatively reassuring."
No one ITT has even mentioned the MCU.
>How much of that happened on American soil?
Let's see, we've got
>Great Depression
>Pearl Harbor and thus WW2
>Cold War
>AIDS
>Corporate consolidation
All of these happened on American soil.
The only thing comparable that's happened in the 21st century on American soil is 9/11.
>Whipping up hatred of "dangerous others"
This is not the point you think it is
>“In fact, I think that a good argument can be made for D.W. Griffith’s ‘Birth of a Nation’ as the first American superhero movie, and the point of origin for all those capes and masks.”
Intensely retarded.
I can see how the Watchmen series ended up the way it did
>Ignores Zorro and the Scarlet Pimpernel as superhero influences
>Goes right for the racist film to denigrate superheroes
I think comic books rain over his pet snake and he just decided to hate them.
>the point of origin for all those capes and masks
What is Zoro? What is The Shadow?
>i thought moore was smart
He´s trolling, there´s a 100% chance he has a secret cape comic stash in his house
>expecting honesty from a commie
kek
>um, asktully things I don't like are white supremicist
How tedious.
His daughter said he does.
>Pearl Harbor
yes
>and thus WW2
>Cold War
wut?
>Corporate consolidation
This is still a thing.
I don't think he's trolling, I think he just needs an editor.
He likely means the 90s part of the 20th century.
The Greatest Generation aren't a big bulk of superhero movie ticket sales.
>Moore dies
>his daughter releases his secret comic book collection
>is all capeshit
He is rumored to have picked up a copy of The New Frontier.
He would've likely gotten it in the comp piles that DC used to send employees/freelancers
The story goes is that New Frontier was the only thing from that time that he liked from the DC comps
Fuckin Bongs man
Maybe he wasn´t trolling years ago when he was genuinely angry with the comic book industry but now, according to his daughter, he has move on and just saying shit to make people mad.
You can note it because his arguments are becoming stupider as the time goes on
Zorro is a wanted criminal who fights the government and defends people from corruption.
superheroes work with the government to enforce the law. They are by definition on the side of the status quo.
In Birth of a Nation specifically the white vigilantes are fighting to restore law and order, not to defend the oppressed like Zorro.
that is the point that Moore is making.
>What is The Shadow?
a character created over a decade after Birth of the Nation that's what.
>Ennis and Moore hate capes
>Meanwhile Morrison tried to use magic to make capes real
Bongs only think in absolutes
>superheroes work with the government to enforce the law
Not necessarily. This has to be bait.
Moore used to be a capeshitter. Ennis dislikes capes but not totally. Someone like Pat Mills hates capes.
>Be writer
>Get tired of writing superheroes due to bitterness about how superhero companies treated you
>Every single interviewer insists on asking you about superheroes instead of other stuff because it's all they know about and get clicks from
>Answer questions only because you were asked, it's not like you would bring them up by yourself otherwise
>Every single time, the internet seethes at you and asks you why you won't just leave superheroes alone
>After a decade of this, start coming up with more and more inflammatory takes because it's become funny to watch nerds seethe about topics they themselves insist on making you talk about
I love superheroes and I still think Moore is pretty hilarious and based for this.