>"We'd do gags," animator Roy Williams once said, "and then we wouldn't like them ourselves, so we would wrinkle them up and throw them in the wastebasket. Walt would come in at night, after we all went home. He'd go through those wastebaskets. The janitor had orders to not touch anything in the room until he went though it."
>"The next morning, we'd come into work and there'd be a bunch of wadded drawings, straightened out, pinned up on the storyboard with Walt's note saying, 'Use this! It's a good gag!'"
>Some people have criticized these late-night visits as evidence of Walt's "controlling" personality. But I believe this was Walt's way of managing the results, making sure the work met his high standards. Rather than going in during the daytime and standing over an artist's shoulder (imagine how nerve-wracking that would be!), Walt did his rounds at night.
>Another crucial people skill is the ability to create an atmosphere of informality. From the very earliest days of his studio, Walt cultivated a culture of informality. He put everyone on a first name basis with everyone else. He didn't merely invite people to call him "Walt" - he insisted on it. He corrected anyone who called him "Mr. Disney" - or worse, "sir".
>Walt's secretary, Lucille Martin, told me, "When I first started with Walt, I was nervous and always called him "sir". He'd call me on the intercom, and I'd say, 'Yes, sir' And he'd say, 'Call me Walt.' And I'd say, 'Yes, sir, Walt.' He was my boss, and I couldn't bring myself to call him by his first name, even when he ordered me to!"
>So one day he handed me a piece of paper - a cartoon of himself walking with a protest sign. The sign read, 'Down with Sir!' I had to laugh. I taped it to my intercom as a reminder. I still had to work on it, but Walt's cartoon helped.'
How can you hate this man?
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>"Walt inspired loyalty among those who worked with him. He could be difficult and demanding, but he was loving and loyal to his employees. He cared deeply about the people who worked with him. Walt's staff could have made more money working for another studio, but they wouldn't leave him. They loved him and they believed they were doing something meaningful.
I can absolutely understand hating the modern Disney company and in fact I largely agree with those who do, but why hate Walt?
>but why hate Walt?
rumors and lies spread about him postmortem--like that he was an antisemite.
I don't hate Walt, but I do recognize that the man was an absolute control freak, to the point were it likely contributed to his early death.
Most of the bullshit still regurgitated about Walt was first published in the Communist Daily Worker. It was literal character assassination used against him because Walt was a Republican who hated commies.
There are rumors that he was a Spaniard in terms of genes and I have to say he looks the part. Even more based if it's true.
>to the point were it likely contributed to his early death.
He was an avid smoker. That probably contributed more, I think.
He was pretty cool, as far as evil businessmen goes.
Should have paid his workers better tho.
>as far as evil businessmen goes
what made him "evil" in your eyes?
Years upon years upon years of communist propaganda to paint him as an antisemitic corporate overlord.
what's that Chinese thing on his tie?
People having character flaws doesn't make them evil user. No matter what commies say.
Him being a control freak is what made him great. Great men are rarely sloppy. At least not about their work.
Anti-union, shit salary for animators, didn't credit most of the staff who worked on his movies.
That's it. I guess he wasn't evil but i wouldn't like to work for him.
>How can you hate this man?
he doesn't support rule 34
He was a heavy smoker because he was an absolute control freak. Too much anxiety and not enough sleep
A gift from Tyrus?
Are there any non-biased documentaries on him? Something that shows both the best and worst of him. He seems like an interesting guy.
I imagine he didn't think his intense hatred for unions actually meant that he hated his employees, but he never grasped that it wasn't so obvious to them.
No and that's the tragedy of it.
I feel like Defunctland has painted a fair picture of him, but the information is spread over dozens of videos on a variety of topics.
>"Disney-friendly" docs suck his dick too much
>"non-Disney docs are made by hacks who want to be famous by beating the low hanging fruit
It was part of his controlfreak behavior.
He didn't mind good conditions for his workers, in fact he went up and above to make a healthy work environment compared too many of his contemporaries, but it had to be under his conditions, and not theirs, because he was convinced he knew what was best for them.
And because he threw in with an antisemitic group because they were so anticommunist. Also visited and spoke with Nazi filmmaker in the post war days. It's likely he did the latter out of sympathy for a fellow creator than any ideological reasoning; but regardless he was still weirdly cordial with anti-semetics for someone that wasn't one himself.
>The initials on Walt’s tie are “STR,” and stand for “Smoke Tree Ranch,” an area in Palm Springs where Walt once owned a vacation home.
>didn't credit most of the staff who worked on his movies.
You can not like Walt Disney without telling lies
His Tomorrow Land video is probably the best way to get a view on what Walt was like
reading this right now, I really love all the little stories from people who worked for him
>Fred Joerger, a Disney model maker, told me his favorite Walt Disney story. "Bob Broughton had just been hired as a courier at the studio," Joerger said (Broughton would eventually become a camera effects artist).
>"Bob had been told by some fellas at the studio, 'Everyone calls Walt by his first name. Don't ever call him 'Mr. Disney,' he hates that. If you see him in the hall, be sure to say, 'Hi, Walt.'
>Well, soon after he started work there, he got on an elevator, and there was Walt Disney himself! So Bob did what he was told. He said, 'Hi, Walt!' Walt made no response - he was completely lost in thought about some project.
>"Well, Bob was horrified. He figured the other guys at the studio had set him up. He'd called the boss by his first name, and now he was probably going to get canned. So Bob decided to never make that mistake again. Later that same day, Bob was walking down the hall, and there's Walt Disney, coming toward him. This time, Bob ignored Walt - walked right past him without a word.
>"Walt put a hand on Bob's shoulder, and said, 'What's the matter? Aren't we speaking?"
>he hasn't heard of the Disney porn vaults
>He's never seen Freddie Moore girls.
>Are there any non-biased documentaries
no. about anything really. unless it's the work of werner herzog, avoid them all.
Sorry I meant his Epcot video
>"No matter what the provocation, I would never fire a man who is honestly trying to deliver a job. Few workers who become established at the Disney studio ever leave voluntarily or otherwise, and many have been on the payroll all their working lives"
>you will never work for Walt Disney
I just hate Disney as whole and feel pretty indifferent about his films and animation contributions.
>and feel pretty indifferent about his films and animation contributions.
we'd all be happier if Yea Forums was split into two boards /car/ - western animation and Yea Forums - comics
Walt Disney was a visionary, literally. He could see into the future and knew almost exactly how it would turn out. I have a hard time believing that a truly evil man could've created what he did. Sure it could be simple over-hyping now that the man has passed away, but if you look at all that he created, and how much of it was successful, I think he's earned the title. Him being a control freak isn't surprising to me. You have to be when you have such a clear vision of what you want. Reminds me of Jim Shooter when he took over as editor of Marvel. He was over-bearing to his artists and writers, but it meant that comics were being shipped and sold on time, as opposed to its former editors. I wish he lived long enough to see EPCOT through, its a truly fascinating idea that only a man like Walt Disney could think of.
>I wish he lived long enough to see EPCOT through, its a truly fascinating idea that only a man like Walt Disney could think of.
He kept dreaming bigger and bigger as the years went on. I wonder what would have been next for him, had EPCOT been a success? Might even describe him as my hero.
I'd be much more impressed with this tactic if it wasn't also Walt's sensibilities that stopped the average Disney cartoon from being anywhere as funny as what other studios were doing on a regular basis
As it stands a lot of Disney shorts to feel like they have ideas taken straight out of a wastebasket.
>stopped the average Disney cartoon from being anywhere as funny as what other studios were doing on a regular basis
let me guess, they're not as funny because they're not 99% sexual innuendo like betty boop
dumb coomer
This topic is sugarcoating Walt a bit too much. I'm not talking about the Nazi BS that normies are too willing to believe, I'm talking him right in his heyday from accounts of people who worked with him personally, like Homer Brightman, who in his book on the days at Disney details how much of an egocentric asshole Walt could be to his employees, to the detriment of no one but his own studio. Do you think the infamous strike from the 40's happened because Walt fostered a happy place? Even the people who stayed at Walt's side during then were personally betrayed when Walt secretly scheduled a trip to Latin America leaving his loyal employees to be mocked by the ones protesting outside the studio. Walt had enormous talent under his wing and because he couldn't concede an inch he ended up mismanaging or losing a lot of it, to the benefit of the rest of the industry.
The man was a genius, no doubt about it, an entrepreneur like no other, but let's not pretend that he was without flaw or that there aren't valid reasons as to why one would dislike his ways. For every cuddly anecdote in this thread, there's several others painting him differently.
>there's several others painting him differently.
He was flawed for sure. The perfection he demanded from his employees was not at all unlike the perfection his father demanded from him when he was a boy.
What a based nan
Is it really a flaw if it worked both for Walt and used by him to such great success?
I wish. They're not as funny because for much of the 40's onwards, they're slow paced as all hell, with thin plots with skinnier ideas still, with directors who actively hated the characters they were made to work with, with very questionable senses of timing...I could go on.
Exception noted of the Goofy shorts, most of which were in sync with the rest of the industry while most of the rest lagged in comparison.
How true is the "Ub Iwerks crested Mickey Mouse" thing?
>he was so NICE to his employees
Very nice, now lets see the paychecks and work hours
Everyone wants him to be either Uncle Walt or Walt Hitler. The truth is, he was complicated, like Elon. Like Elon, he had a "we're all in this together" mentality with his workers, so he felt personally offended when they wanted to unionize and be treated like adult humans instead of his children.
He did a lot of good. He did a lot of bad. The world is certainly a very different place than it would have been without him.
If you compare him to the current Disney corporation, however, he's a motherfucking saint.
The Florida Film shows he was bored with cartoons and theme parks, he was ready to fix civilization. But that fucking asshole needed his smokes and died of cancer on us. That's my main beef with him.
It wouldn't have worked, but it would have been a fantastic experiment and we'd probably all have better lives right now if he'd gotten a chance to implement.
Donald Duck is fucking funny. I figure all the Yea Forums rage monsters would relate to pretending to be fine on the outside, but at all times being 30 seconds away from going full Columbine.
I like his opinion on jews
Donald Duck is cartoon deity but I still maintain he didn't reach his full potential at Disney (especially when they de-emphasized his anger later on and focused more on his loser status and endless shorts combating little shits). Fair is fair, they seemed to find their mojo back in the 50's but sadly the shorts ended then.
How much were Krazy Kat and Felix considered inspirations?
His bad reputation is more or less slander brought on by the fact he didn't like communists and his association with the Motion Picture Alliance which was an anti-communist Hollywood organization that for SOME reason was deemed antisemitic despite the group membership including jews.
If i could kill one man from history, I'd go back to kill Henry Ford, who was also a role model for Walt, so two birds with one stone.
>How can you hate this man?
I don't think people hate him. Only point out his flaws/decisions that are still relevant today.
Like he doesn't want to give induvidual animator/VA cred for the movie, only the brand that made it.
News flash: Max and Dave Fleischer hated unions too, so much that they moved their studios to Miami to partially break it up. But you never hear their names being dragged through the mud
Gee wonder why businessmen would hate anyone people who think they should be reigned in
>just because you are friends with criminal or someone who commits wrong think that means you should break the relationship and leave them
I will never understand why people think like this.
>didn't credit most of the staff who worked on his movies
I'm no Disney defender, but end credits weren't a thing in US cinema until the late 60s / early 70s. Walt died in 66.
Before end credits there were only opening credits, where only the top most important people to the production were listed; producer, director, writer, main stars, and not much more. If you're name isn't important enough to put on a movie poster, then you probably wouldn't have gotten a film credits back then.
>unions start
>workers fucked over worse than they were
Yeah you're an idiot for supporting Unions.