Is there a public """""intellectual""""" who is even more of a joke than this man?

Kinda unfair.

He's teaching pregrads and youtubing laymen, so by necessity he has to make his ideas funsized and in commonplace language.

And then you jump on this to say he's a pseud.

If i teach kinders, i have to sound a couple decades younger to communicate; i am not actually a retarded alcohol baby even though i might *sound* like one.

>JEEJUK

peterson eternally BTFO
youtube.com/watch?v=3rQPDmzfQrk

literally everything you need to know about JBP is in the Contrapoints video

>contrapoints

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My own ressentiment coupled with the fact he has a lot of money now.

>not liking Contrapoints

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>not liking Contrapoints

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Lol

There there user.

I love you.

>liking contrapoints
Based and tranny pilled

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I don't understand this picture. she looks completely fine here. maybe it's just my bisexuality talking, but who the hell cares about her body proportions?

>maybe it's just my bisexuality talking,
it's that

damn

>watching a delusional man

his debate said otherwise

I agree, JBP is a delusional man that you should not watch

yeah no she looks fine. though i'm also bi

shut up cocaine hegel

>reading comprehension

there was only one man being referred to in my comment, so you must have been referring to him, JBP

legit yikes

Look at this beast

It's ya AGP talking, lads.

Kekekek

I'd have to enable "force long posts to wrap" in order make the thread navigable with the amount of quotation marks required around the word "intellectual" in Shapiro's case.

Maps of Meaning is a genuinely interesting book. Most of his other material is shit though - but mostly because he rehashes talking points.

Most public "intellectuals" are not serious academics and it has always been this way.

Don't watch that tranny. The DemSoc01 video in Peterson is good though.

Don't you people ever get tired? We get it already, he's another boomer who doesn't know what he is talking about.
What's with all the attention you keep giving him

the ritual denunciation of peterson is an elaborate cope

Have sex.

I had my ass fucked last night, thanks

Yeah it leaves space for you to be The Smart Guy about banal literature and philosophy when That Retard is your enemy

It's our daily Two Minutes Hate

Most of lit does their reading on YouTube. That's why Zizek and Peterson are so famous here

Imagine being so insecure about your masculinity and heterosexuality that you refuse to watch a political YouTuber who may or may not have unique insights simply because of the fact that she's a tranny. And these are the same people who will tell you that "representation in media doesn't matter brah, who cares if it's all white males, just look at merit!'

Oh look another ‘confirm my bias by agreeing with me weeeeedddd dude lmao XD’ thread in Yea Forums. Neat. Go outside. Have sex

>resentment
>envious of wealth
>self help guru who tells you to focus on the basics
>lmao intellectual pseud XD
You entirely missed the point user. Enjoy wallowing in self pity for the rest of your life since you’ll never make a change

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The problem is that those videos are too disgusting for me to get through. There's also all these weird skits and whatnot. It feels like a waste of time.

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That's also how a lot of women look past their prime.

Sure. Just had that pic lying around.

Not him but the reason I generally would not spend my time on those is that it already comes with a huge disclaimer of "I'm mentally ill".
If you have two books about "How to live your life" and one comes with the label "By the way, this author tried to kill himself every 2 minutes, hated what he saw in the mirror, had an unfortunate mix of brain chemicals and views everything through the lense of resentment", then well, I'll try my luck with the other.

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I don't understand why people keep calling him a pseud when he is a PhD graduate clinical psychologist who conducted research at Harvard as an associate professor until he settled down at the arguably the best university in Canada as a full time professor. He has more than 11000 citations and a h-index of 53. I mean you can call him a pseud but it's like yelling that the sky is green out of butthurt.
Especially boggles my mind how people will call someone with decades of experience both as a researcher and as an active clinical psychologist a retard and the same time recommend some lolcow with a crossdressing fetish or some twitch NEET who plays video games for a living and googles wikipedia definitions to argue with during a debate.

Even when it comes to the Zizek debate, they did not actually disagreed in anything. It's was just two different perspective. Peterson is not a philosopher, he does not have the luxury of asking questions without proving answers. He is a psychologist who has to find solutions for existing problems. Or have we seen a different debate? Because Zizek himself admitted he hasn't got any solutions to the already existing problems. Which is fine. There is value in seeing problems and admitting you have no alternatives. But you can't do that if you are a psychologist. You can't do that if you want to help individuals. And you can't do that if you want to help society as a whole.

People make fun of the advice of "clean your room" but it is a legitimate advice. The echo chambers on the internet gave too many dumb people voice. The people criticizing society often can't even help themselves. A girl in a shitty community college who spends her entire day on social media is not gonna provide a valuable solution to complex problems. World economy is complex, it is beyond the grasp of me and the vast majority of people. Someone who can't even manage to make a decent living herself does not have the intellectual capacity, knowledge and experience to give meaningful advice and realistic solutions. I don't know what caused this whole phenomenon honestly, but eventually as you grow older you will all realize that some people simply can't be helped because they lack the complete motivation for improvement. It's like when in my city they put junkies and ex-homeless people into expensive flats only to completely destroy it. The entire apartment ended up looking like it's from a Detroit ghetto with shit and puke on the stairs and cockroaches in every home.
Improvement need to start from the inside and if you don't start it, time will only make things worse. The amount of people living in a first world country who expect the government to do a complete 180 at their life is just unbelievable.
Being outraged and calling people names won't improve your life.

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Nobody is outraged except for you, utilitarian Peterson fanboy.

>Nobody is outraged
How do you call constantly spamming threads about someone you dislike then?

I call it "being on Yea Forums."

>Imagine being so insecure about your masculinity and heterosexuality
Projection as fuck. I refuse to watch Contrapoints' videos becuase they're boiler-plate liberal takes that could be expounded in 2 minutes but are instead dressed-up in 30 minutes of pageantry and faggotry. They are SHIT.

This

Contrapoints was only good before she transitioned. Now she's just an ideologue.

Actually your on 4channel, nigger. Have some godamn respect.

Based

>arguably the best university in Canada
that would be McGill you chuckletwit.

>ghzighzek lost

I don't think that's what he was implying

Nightmare fuel

I think you're mentally ill

>Someone who can't even manage to make a decent living herself does not have the intellectual capacity, knowledge and experience to give meaningful advice and realistic solutions.
Plenty of poor people rose up and managed great things. This sort of determinism is, as Zizek correctly pointed out, is deeply situational; sometimes your house is in disorder because of the neighborhood and Peterson is pretty nice example how can political activism improve someone's life.

>I don't understand why people keep calling him a pseud when he is a PhD graduate clinical psychologist who conducted research at Harvard as an associate professor until he settled down at the arguably the best university in Canada as a full time professor. He has more than 11000 citations and a h-index of 53. I mean you can call him a pseud but it's like yelling that the sky is green out of butthurt.
Because he's stepping outside of his expertise, where he's an obvious pseud. Pseud meaning form>substance, theatrical performances, misunderstanding of basic concepts, mercantile utilization of his popularity and super-fast rise to prominence.

The fact that this is his background yet he writes self-help literature and prepares for a debate by watching some youtube videos and reading the opponent's books (plural) the night before shows that he either is doing all of this for financial reasons, is good at his job but terrible at his hobby as a cult-of-personality, is bad at both his job and this gig and the research is either neutral, cited in some negative way or cited by others equally as wrong, or one of many other alternatives - none of which put a good light on the individual you are defending here.

>plenty of poor people rose up and mmanaged great thing
Even more of them completly fucked up. I've just finished a book on the 100 years war and of all the wannabe reformator who appeared in this time only one was succesful and that was the last king of France.

>Because he's stepping outside of his expertise, where he's an obvious pseud
Philosophy isn't an expertise.

Also nice redefinition of the world pseud.

correcting you is not the same thing as redefining a term

cons: triggered
epic style

>he either is doing all of this for financial reasons,
If he was doing it out of greed he would have better prepared for such a big occasion wouldn't it. You're not making much sense there.

>is good at his job but terrible at his hobby as a cult-of-personality,

That's the more likely of your explanation although given that his following is still impressive you're still wrong
> is bad at both his job
Unlikely given his massive success in both his "jobs"
> and this gig and the research is either neutral, cited in some negative way or cited by others equally as wrong,

How do you deduce all this from a ill prepared debat?

>or one of many other alternatives
Which are ? Does they make more sense than the current one?

>mercantile utilization of his popularity and super-fast rise to prominence.

Those aren't part of the definition of a pseud. Why would you lie like that? What is your agenda?

I never really cared or paid attention to Peterson but his fans are the new fedoras. They have the same combination of arrogance and ignorance in whatever subject they feel themselves equipped to talk about. Nothing makes me roll my eyes faster than hearing "post modern neo marxist meta narratives."

>Even more of them completly fucked up.
Obviously, because only a small fraction can achieve greatness.

>Philosophy isn't an expertise.
Fair point. But one still needs to read shitton of books to be able to operate on the "intelectual" level.

>Also nice redefinition of the world pseud.
Since it's very subjective term, I had to add "why do I think so".

>I never really cared or paid attention to Peterson but his fans are the new fedoras.
>new fedoras
>new

I'm willing to bet they are the same r*dditors that made up the original cadre of fedora'd gentleme.

>mercantile utilization of his popularity
For-profit bussines is anti-ethical to being an intelectual. You either motivate yourself by pursuit of knowledge or you motivate yourself by greed. If you do the latter you focus too much on being famous and marketable; and you don't have time to waste it on depth that could attract only other intelectuals that won't give you money.

>super-fast rise to prominence
Few people would know who he was if not for theatrical performance against that Canadian trannylaw or what was that; there's neglieble difference in intelectual output of famous Peterson and nobody Peterson. Now compare it to Zizek, who doesn't have this breaking point and accumulated his "gravitas" over large period of time, basing them primarily on his intellectual output. It's a solid mark of an authenticity.

>people can't be motivated by two different things
Nice to know your spirit is as poor as your arguments.

>Few people would know who he was if not for theatrical performance against that Canadian trannylaw or what was that;

This doesn't make him a pseud. He also evolves into a different millieu than Zizek, which may make him becoming popular more difficult. Finally his fast rise into proeminence, if anything, is the proof that his work interest people and only needes some kind of heavenly help to get him started.

look at that size omg.
That bigger than me

I know it's our job to shit on everything but what would be a public intellectual, around a comparable level of fame, who isn't a joke?
People usually just hate on something because it's famous.

>she

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>people can't be motivated by two different things
What kind stupidity is this? Of course one can, but when they contradict you have to prioritize.

>This doesn't make him a pseud.
It's a great indication of pseudom, but we'll have to wait and see how long will he remain in the spotlights

>He also evolves into a different millieu than Zizek, which may make him becoming popular more difficult.
He evolved in Canada, Zizek evolved in Eastern Europe. I don't see what advantage does Peterson have.

>if anything, is the proof that his work interest people and only needes some kind of heavenly help to get him started.
That's not how it works, if intelectual work is good it will stand on it's own legs. You don't need theatrics for that.

t. manlet

The thing that really gets me is even in "hostile interviews" where progressive feminists and the like interview him either for the sake of content or because they straight up dislike him, they all still preface their shit by saying "obviously you're a very intelligent man", "you're much smarter than I am, but", "you're a very eloquent speaker" etc.

I could find a dozen clips where random people say this to him when they blatantly dislike him and disagree with him and I just don't get why they bother. He isn't particularly intelligent or eloquent, he doesn't present his argument well, he rambles and isn't charismatic in the slightest. It's like enough people have parroted his intelligence that everyone just accepts it as fact with zero evidence ever required, he could walk into a room and dribble on himself and fans and detractors alike would think he's smart as fuck for it.

If you were out of your depth and debating someone who is, whether you like them or not, clearly sharper than average like Ben Shapiro then yes, I could understand this. You'd need to have your shit together to go back and forth with someone like that and it might even be worth acknowledging that you're at a disadvantage if you're just interviewing him, but Jordan Peterson? Anyone could do it and looked good provided they weren't a retard who prefaced every point with "SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS".

All western intellectuals

i would refuse to watch anyone that could be described as a "YouTuber" on principle you shit gargling cuck

>just look at merit
Not being clearly mentally ill is something of a merit when you're regurgitating moral and political "insights". Hippocrates covered this concept nicely; would you hire a fat personal trainer for instance?

He is a thoughtcriminal and must be suppressed.

Because he wants to help marginalized men

"Oh no, the bad man told me to organize my own life before putting on my vagina hat! What a fucking joke!"

The only joke here are all the salty dumbasses.

He's written one self-help book and acknowledges that it is a self-help book, but wrote it to communicate his understanding of the deeper meanings of what is generally considered to be "obvious advice".

What? No list yet?

Stefan Molyneux
Christoper Hitchens
Camilla Paglia
Roger Scroutons
Come on, add the rest

This girls brother. The name escapes me

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Is this pasta?

What is charisma if not the ability to gather attention and rally people behind you ESPECIALLY if what you say is so dumb?

How can you look at his academic background and conclude he's not particularly intelligent?

As for eloquence, I pretty much only heard him talk in the early days because it started on a campus I was on and back then he wasn't a very good speaker in terms of pace, mannerisms and the like but extremely eloquent, precise and convincing in his arguments, leaving every debate as the winner.

Sadly, the whole thing blew up and now it's a left vs right thing so it got way too emotional for everyone, and he couldn't keep up at all anymore with where that took him. It's like taking one of those "I won't bake that cake" guys, styling them as the poster boy for fascism and making them hold public talks on political theory.

Anyway - ask where your resentment comes from, your issue is obviously not with this man himself

kill yourself

>she

Silliest thing to tell a lover of life

Nigga please.........

HOW CAN AN ATHEIST BE A «LOVER OF LIFE»? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE; YOU ARE RATHER A: «LUSTER FOR LIFE».

Lobster Johnson's let himself go.

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1. Foucault has proven that madmen were revered for their insights in the past
2. There is no evidence that having gender dysphoria means you don't have the cognitive abilities needed to comment on politics and philosophy
3. Contrapoints is going through a sex-transition and that has been shown to cure gender dysphoria

>Foucault has proven
dropped

>he writes self-help literature
can someone explain me why self-help related stuff is so looked down upon on the internet? i mean psychology as a whole is about "self help", if you ever been to a therapist he is gonna ask similar questions and ultimately tell you to improve certain areas in your life and adapt different behaviors. how the fuck is this a bad thing? especially in current year when everyone on the internet is so proud of their mental illness i would expect people to be at least a bit more supportive about people who actually want to help themselves.

I'm gonna ignore the first two points because I'm literally too tired to deal with autism now but
> Contrapoints is going through a sex-transition and that has been shown to cure gender dysphoria
No it hasn't been proven at all, I would honestly love to hear the logic behind how making yourself a tranny can improve your life in any way if you already struggle in your assigned gender.

>headcannon: irl edition

>>Imagine being so insecure about your masculinity and heterosexuality that you refuse to watch a political YouTuber who may or may not have unique insights
user, eating shit is not a unique insight. Someone isn't "insecure" if they dismiss shit eaters and proponents of shit eating.

>Imagine not liking ecelebs with annoying personalities, just because they are obnoxious as fuck

ftfy

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Or Queen's

>someone with legitimate credentials isn't also able to have pretense.

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never gonna make it

I never said that. I don't agree with everything he says. In fact I watched maybe 4 of his videos in total. I just think calling him a pseud because you personally disagree with him is pointless

All of those posts quoted were attacking Contra for being a tranny, except the first one, which I do quite regret including. Anyway it can probably be induced that the first was also transphobic, given the nature of the website we're on.

I'm calling him a pseud because he's talking about how he hasn't prepared for the most anticipated debate of his career and is saying he's going to cram "youtube videos" like he's some kind of irresponsible child. That's why he's a pseud, not because of that distracting, brightly colored strawman you're desperately waving around.

youtubers, especially political ones, can't have interesting insight
the format is shit, nothing good can ever come out of it unless the vids were filmed from an university or a conference room

I agree it with irresponsible from him but in the end it was an interesting debate, or more of a conversation rather.

>from an university or a conference room
Yikes and groan.

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wtf i love leftists political podcasts for teenager neets now

A professor of mine is close friends with Zizek and drove him to the venue for the Peterson debate. After the show he told him he did a great job and Zizek said
>“Yesh, but I d rather forget this ever happened.”

Yeah, based. It wasn't just embarassing for Peterson, it was a mockery of everyone involved. Fucking lazy leaf idiot.

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I'm surprised it did happen, based on what Žižek said about Peterson before.

>You can only be intellectually competent if you can make money like a good goy
Fuck off.

Peterson didn't even prepare and still won the debate against marxism.

read only the first sentense but Based.

I'm genuine curious how you got to that conclusion from reading that post. For a Yea Forums board there are more people with reading comprehension than on any other board on this site

No one cares about your faggot connotations

Right, geniuses live streaming from home are incapable of insight.

My house is in perfect order and Peterson still sucks eggs.

I'm just interested, what video are you talking about? Some of their older stuff is pretty shit (Contrapoints used to be a member of the new athiest community), but for the last two years or so their takes have been pretty well thought out, and often quite unique (with the exception of the global warming video). In particular, some of the videos dealing with pronouns are very good, since contra takes note of the philosophical issues and falsehoods propagated by many rank-and-file members of the left when dealing with such topics.

OP doesn't know Olavo de Carvalho desu.

>she

reddit

Because he disagrees with Marxism and mob social justice, which triggers trannies and lefties.

>How can you look at his academic background and conclude he's not particularly intelligent?
he’s a shrink and they’re all pseuds

I absolutely would

yeah I would punch it out as well.

>IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
Says the Christian degenerate denier of life.
It is impossible for you to truly appreciate life since you hate it so

>Contrapoints is going through a sex-transition and that has been shown to cure gender dysphoria

Even men who've been raised as a girl and go back to live as a man in their adulthood still kill themselves more often.

CATERPILLAR:

1. «CHRISTIAN DEGENERATE» IS AN OXYMORONIC TERM.

2. I AM NOT A «DENIER OF LIFE» [SIC], AND I IGNORE WHY YOU HAVE THAT NOTION OF ME.

3. I DO NOT HATE LIFE; ON THE CONTRARY: I LOVE LIFE.

THE ONE WHO LOVES LIFE ABOMINATES PLEASURE; THE ONE WHO LUSTS FOR LIFE INDULGES IN PLEASURE.

THE WAY OF DEATH IS SWEET, AND ITS DESTINATION IS BITTER.

THE WAY OF LIFE IS BITTER, AND ITS DESTINATION IS SWEET.

the problem is that idiots like you decide off the bat that it must be to do with the try-hard "look at me" gimmicks rather than the lack of quality content. all "production values", shit content. so to look at the only content, which is production values, and decide you don't like it for that is just a bonus. Spectacle capitalist faggot tranny

Shut the fuck up faggot

Christianity is a degeneracy of the mind. All cults are, but this one is a death worshiping cult. “Life” to a Christian starts only after death.
Your post is bonkers. You’ve been brainwashed.

>the problem is that idiots like you decide off the bat that it must be to do with the try-hard "look at me" gimmicks

No, that's exactly what it is. Who the fuck wants to listen to some "Hello my Pretties and welcome to the bitche's lair". Tranny or no tranny, that shit is pure unalloyed cringe.

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>heh if you don't accept Yale/CIA self-help gurus then you must hate wisdom

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You are either in possession of extreme naivete or extreme stupidity. I suspect the latter

You do know that Maps of Meaning is one of his earlier publications, right? And damn, this book carries much of the base tesis that he tries to push on his "self-help" book (the importance of Meaning in person's life, wich both he and Zizek agreed being more important than a chase for "happiness") God, even his YouTube have more than 10 hours of classes discussing some themes of his book (btw, the first 2/3 classes about Disney Pinocchio are great, check them out bucko)

The most part is that most of the literature on this issue is unscientific/without any reliable data to support it. I put under a 'scientific" term because most of them uses pseudo and complicated terms to show "advices" to people.

You see, that's what get so many people on Peterson. You fist start with " clean your room bucko". I mean, a pretty basic statement. But after you realize that's it's a message about fixing and improving yourself, before trying to solve the worlds absurd complexity, you kinda understand how deep it goes

And about the "Korean argument", of sometimes having to do both at the same time, I have to say that that's not much of a limitation of his argument. Explaining more, let's just remember that most of his plausible "audience" live under a ocidental context, specially a democratic one. With this standart it much more plausible that the problem of his audience relies more on their personal level that the social/political one, hence the focus on this individual take on organizing the caos within and cleaning your room, (literally). Maybe that's a bias that came from his psychological/therapist background, on identifying your pacient and applying a specific solution for him.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>she
Stop this its embarrassing

This desu, I don't get my ideas from radnoms on YouTube so I just ignore him like a normal person. All my theories were confirmed when the same people who were SEETHING about his mere existence started recommending I watch ContraPoints (the only thing more embarrassing than being an unironic Sargon fan).

Shit, this is why I should read the thread before replying.
Case in point:

ITT: Chapofag tourists.

geniuses don't livestream

I'd rather watch philosophy lectures and the College de France courses than listen to some "youtuber" brainlet take

>he is a PhD graduate clinical psychologist

then again who isnt.

Completely irrelevant. The post was inveighing against those who won't watch Contra on account of her being trans not those who won't watch because they don't think she has anything to offer. In fact it was explicitly stated that she "may or may not" have unique insights. I also abhor all the theatrics on her channel; I don't find them funny or artistic and I wish she would just get to the point. But unlike most people here I would never discount what someone has to say on the basis of their gender identity, even when I was a ravaging transphobe like you lot.

Have you never been on this board before? Teenager crossboarders have been spamming 4-8 JP threads a day here for literal years at this point.
No wonder genuine Yea Forumsizens are going to tell his fans to fuck off, it would happen regardless of his content (which happens to be laughable enough to warrant it regardless of the spam).

Jordung Pebbleson very wise shaman. Tell Grug, "Grug only. Not tribe. Grug want tribe? Clean cave, bad Grug!"
Then Grug see Jordung with longnose at Holobunga feast. Grug start to think. Why longnose have special feast just for longnose, if tribe so bad? Why Jordung go to feast?

Cringe and bluepilled.
How can transphobia exist if trans people aren't even real in the first place.
Jordan Peterson is my only father figure and I WILL NOT stand for the braindead libcucks on this board insulting him or his beliefs.

...

What is up with this ContraPoints channel?
I've never heard of them in my life but I feel like the name has been popping up all over Yea Forums in the last week.

He's a neocon ideologue.

WHO IS THIS FOUR CHAN???

Don't bother unless you can handle high degree of faggotry.

>takes
Back to Twitter.