Thomas Pynchon is a fucking hack fraud and fuck all of you pseud morons for pretending his pretentious, soulless, oh-so-clever lamebrain drivel is anything other than pulp trash for mouthbreathers who want to think of themselves as "intellectual." I would rather read fucking airport novels because at least they're upfront about how absolutely devoid of any purpose or truth they are, instead of trying to trick stoners and NPR listeners into thinking their insipid nonsense has any artistic merit. DFW's insincere derivative wankery at least had some kind of humanity at the root of it, which no one can accuse this snaggletoothed fuck of ever approaching. Fuck you if you claim this fuckface is anything other than the idiot's idea of a genius, who has conned his way into the cannon by way of retards who are scared to call his bullshit what it is for fear of being told they "just don't get it."
Thomas Pynchon is a fucking hack fraud and fuck all of you pseud morons for pretending his pretentious, soulless...
Wow this must be the 5th iteration of this thread in one week. You’re really working hard aren’t you
What's the matter 2deep4u?
haven't been on Yea Forums in like two weeks because it's filled with /pol/-lite pseuds and teenagers. If you've seen five threads like this in a week that legit gives me hope, so thank you.
>tl;dr
you just don't get it
So what was the page? The page you gave up gravitys rainbow on?
The part with the bananas for me
284, right before the zone. Hate reading inherent vice right now too after already quitting it once. Fuck pinecone
This made me laugh OP, but I’m getting this book sent to me in 2 weeks, and I am still going to read and complete this book,
>t. never read Mason & Dixon
Based
I know this is a meme but the bananas part was great imo. Made me hungry for a bananna split
Hell, its not even clever. Soon as I got to the “learned english dog” part of Mason and Dixon I quietly closed it and never looked back at that shit.
I agree with OP. He has no style, go grasp of prose. He has an almost complete inability to suck you into his novels, other than wanting to read them to try and figure them out. Some people like that. Which is cool. But it's a small part of what a better writer would include in a more complete package.
DFW is by far a better writer.
Pynchon is his own shit. We can't deny that the man has style and is better compared to many American writers.
What's wrong with airport novels?
He has no style, he has no grace
This Pynch has a funny face
He can handstand when he needs to,
And stretch his book out, just for you.
Inflate himself just like a balloon.
This crazy Pynch just digs this tune!
Postmodernism bores me immensely. The whole literary generation of midwits who obsessively broke the conventions forgetting to build something in return, all these giant meganovels with endless characters and "look at how overeducated I am" references feel desperate in the most freudian way possible.
decent
what else you got?
HAHAH I DROPPED MY HARMONICA DOWN THE TOILET GUISE
SHIIET :D GOTTA JUMP IN THERE AND SWIM IN POOPOOS AND PEEPEES
OH NO THE BLACK MEN CAME TO THE STALL BETTER HIDE MY POOPIE HOLE LEST THEY USE THEIR BLACK RODS AND DO THE UNSPEAKABLE
WOW THIS POOPIE LOOKS GREAT SO DELICIOUS AND FIRM
MUNCH MUNCH NICE DINGLEBERRIES TASTE LIKE BERRIES
HUF HUF FIRM BLACK HANDS HOLD MY THIGHS
You can use boom periods to your own advantage, just saying.
>pseud
>morons
>pretentious
>lamebrain
>insipid
>idiot
Want to be a little more up front about your own insecurities user?
Whats wrong with the word "insipid"?
how historically illiterate do you have to be to not even have a dash of appreciation for Pynchon? Not just in the sense that he write about history, but what kind of writer he is and who he is writing against. He's pretty much the last writer of the 20th century who can be accused of writing meaningless or ineffectual nonsense. Fucking uneducated retards
>that he write about history
Lovely grammar you have, cope more, you fucking illiterate dunce, you have to leave
No surprise, seeing that he and all his modernist peers were CIA assets. Which of course is deployed by the world elite to the totalitarian means of infiltrating and destroying all real art and culture.
Pyncher was a whistleblower, bruh
...Probably anyway
talk more about it
Just got my copy in the mail the other day. Should I still be excited to start?
Today is the first day of the rest of your life
How did pinecone get so popular? Stuff like GR and CL49 is too esoteric (especially given his age). Was his success just a product of the times or are publishers not willing to risks nowadays and in turn depriving of us future authors with the same potential as Pynchon?
yeah, I'm so fucking glad I outgrew fiction and this pseud fetishization of being seen reading "hard" books but never have anything to fucking say about them
okay, leave the "hard" books to those of us who can, you know, actually read :)
he was Nabokov´s student, he had connections with the literary industry
lol being 'difficult' or 'intellectual' isn't why his books are great.. he's the ultimate humanist.. all the fancy stuff is just window dressing. also his books are fun!!! you seem boring OP!
Reading CL49 right now and i can only disagree with this post
Also joke is on OP who seems to have spent some time reading Foster Wallace
rumor/lie
That doesn't mean he had connections. I think it was just his old money getting him to rub shoulders with the elect
>Hates Inherent Vice
That's by far his most accessible book, easier to read than even Lot 49. And this is coming from a non-native English speaker.
You're just retarded.
Bullshit. Vera Nabokov said her husband didn't even know who he was.
What if Scarsdale Vibe was a good character?
Seriously, why don't more people give Pynchon shit for the "blah, blah, capitalism . . . blah, blah, The Man" stuff. His approach to wealth discrepancies and power structures is strikingly simplistic and his "villains" are just there for him to use as punching bags.
It's insufferable.
Because Pynchon is all about exposing the dirty underbelly of capitalism.
What's most annoying about his right-on attitude is that he went to an ivy league and came from an upper class family, and he goes on about "the preterite". Quite frankly it is annoying.
He was rejected from multiple foundations and fellowships before receiving an endowment to write V.
>Inherent Vice
Good Lord, do I hate this book.
This is very, very late Thomas Pynchon, when he was hopped up on marijuana and television. Consequently, the entire book reads like a very, very long, barely edited transcript of a stoned East Coast intellectual rambling incoherently for hours in turn of the century English, because that's exactly what it is. The narrative is simplistic, is buried underneath clouds of irrelevant and soporific detail, and frankly isn't very interesting to begin with. The characters are wooden and uninteresting. The entire book is less about actual storytelling and more about talking at great length about arcane Victorian traditions without actually getting to the point. For all of the thousands of words in this book, very few of them actually have meaning. This book adds nothing to either literature in general or to Pynchon's reputation, and only came to be because he was delirious and lonely before getting married.
This is possibly one of the most tedious, overwrought books I have ever read. On that negative note, I have enjoyed other books by Thomas Pynchon, mainly The Crying of Lot 49, which was actually quite good. It appears that his late works, Mason & Dixon, Inherent Vice etc, are in his most annoying, self-indulgent style, and most of them are practically unreadable.
And this book is indeed unreadable. Thomas Pynchon's style is overly wordy and verbose, his sentences go on for paragraphs. I found myself having to stop reading in the middle of a sentence just to keep track of what he was saying. This book is so wordy that it took me several months to finish it, and several times I found myself angrily throwing this book against the wall. How can anyone endure this? I have read other author's who are very wordy, such as James Fenimore Cooper, Nathaniel Hawthorne, George Eliot, but never have I encountered writing so painfully excruciating..
I'm reading it now, a lot of writing around death, sanity, the connection between a person and the place they inhabit.
It's also just plain enjoyable, the prose is entertaining, the characters are human and several times I've laughed aloud. Tenative recommendation since I haven't finished more than half of it yet.
This made more sense when it was posted about M&D and compared that with AtD instead of IV which is not in the same style
based
I made this point about pynchon and gaddis a couple of months ago and everyone got super assblasted even though I like both authors
good for you?
Pynchon's a fucking fraud. In inherent vice the character tweezes the tobacco out of a cigar and replaces it with sensimilla. You'd have to be supremely square to not know how to roll a blunt.
Also, in v, he describes the ornette coleman character's music as 'all sixths and minor fourths.' Minor fourths?
I like the guy, but he's overhyped and fucks up his research
Kill yourself you retarded cocksucking anal gape faggot
lol touchy
>HEY GUYS I SMOKE BLUNTS AND PLAY METAL ON GUITAR
how is freshman year going?
>Post modernism bores me immensely
How's highschool?
>frogposter
wow you got btfo 3/3 huh?
You stupid dumb bitch do you know how many students are in a university class? Lol of course not chances are you're some assblasted highschool dropout. Kys.
>frogposter
yikes
>2011+8
>come to Yea Forums(nel)
>bitch about frog
ISHYGDDTS
>frogposter
alright kiddo back to
>Yikes
As I thought. This thread is infested with your genus of zoomer bugmen. That special brand of millenial so hopped up on the surplus dopamine of hitting "submit" and seeing your opinion pop up on a website for everyone to see. You who have been tricked by algorithims to think that you matter, or that your opinion matters without any experience, expertise or authority. Digusting.
Just finised M&D and aboutr to start Against the Day or Bleeding Edge next.
Which? And what am I in for?
weak
In my opinion the whole frogposting dialectic gives too much choice in the matter. IF you bitch about the frogs, that is indeed what gives it power.
There are no sides in this. There is only one logical choice. And neither the feels nor the frogs are a genuine source of power anymore, as the lines and people they represent are vague.
Time for new memes :3
AtD
I'm not talking about accessibility. I'm talking about creating stories with anything resembling artistic merit. Guys like you are obsessed with whether or not a book is "accessible" because you view reading only as a way to show off how smart you are. So, implicit in your criticism is the admission that, like most Pynchon fans, you are a pseud.
yikes
BE
Right. There is no struggle. IF indeed what you say is true, then the struggle for power does not exist and everyone is constantly influenced by your mind. This is the kind of thing that is all powerful, like God in a way.
lol irony
>time for someone (not me) to dethrone the literally tens of thousands of pepe and wojak images that have been posted for ~10 years :3
What possesses people to be this retarded? Its not a very uncommon complaint but its an incredibly dumb and pointless one. is autism?
>:3poster
See
You just need to think logically about it for two seconds Yea Forumsbros! You are simply not thinking correctly. It’s not like there’s anything to work against. You just accept the fact that these memes are inapplicable and move on!
>dude but look at my tryhard pontification
shut up faggot
But if there is no other side than what can we hope for?
Say this side hates our kind? And he says he stands with our God. Then what do we hope for? Where do we turn
pleb filtered
Obviously I don’t hate anyone in particular. Although I’ve said ‘nigger’ and said that certain people will be punished, it does not mean anything. I take no stance against blacks, I’ll have you know. I respect a lot of them and understand their struggles.
For the most part though, you are literally struggling against something very expansive and vast, and it makes no sense to do so. :3
>reads a par 500 page book once
And I do know that I am against one thing: shit flinging :3
obviously struck a guitar there kiddo
So you get to just shit on people publically and get away with it?
You should just let me :3 I think it’s working in my favor, yes
you sound like a complete brainlet. what the fuck are you even talking about
>I respect a lot of black people
They don't reciprocate that. Pepe and wojak are never going away.
Pepe and wojak have already went away, brainlet. They are regurgitated old memes at this point. They are both outdated
>They don't reciprocate that
But ‘they’ don’t have a collective conscious. This in and of itself is part of a serious problem affecting them all sociologically :3 you are creating a prison for these people with your words
Stop repeating yourself you fucking faggot. You're not going to "make new memes", you're just going to bitch. There are new memes made, some stay and some die, but wojak and pepe remain. The 30 year old boomer and honkler are not even 1 year old. Stop bitching, you retard.
>waaaahhh I don't like the frog :3
What are you the ADL? Suck dicks queer.
stupid frogposter
But the honkler is a perfect example. With the honkler you see the frog ‘switching sides’ as it were. Everyone is confused. No one knows who is winning or losing. As it should be.
Competition in life is, by and large, typically a grand waste. What good has it done any of you to sit around and say ‘ho hum what a failure I am compared to this person’, yet here you are doing it. Again and again and again.
These tropes are replicated on this website rather maliciously. I really wonder how many of you are genuine, or if people like Londonfrog ARE even genuine, or posters who are trying to control this segment of society/reality.
Either way, it doesn’t pay to do what you’re doing. And you will get your just reward when you die. :3
I gracefully accept your concession
So you’re saying they are going to hell because they are losers?
nobody cares about retarded polshit
>still whining about frog
>tl;dr
Not quite. These sorts of things require a LOT of thought.
But as it were, many people like you do not think quite enough about it.
No, if they are thought of as ‘losers’ they are not going to hell. It is if they try to replicate these mentalities throughout our board or elsewhere on the Internet. :3
imagine being this much of a spaz
take it easy babe, no need to be angry
>not being angry
bananas lol
Thomas Pynchon is a fine author, among Poe, Melville, James, Gaddis and obviously Jesus Christ Himself as America's best. You're damn right I'm fired up.
Uh Jesus was mexican
>farina, banana, nananananana
>charles mason, j. dixon, come on dicky nixon
>shambhala, vhe-issu, baby it's no issue
>'cause baby entropy
>it's simply an
>inevitability
le pynch is boomer trash
what about Robert Anton Wilson?
Literally pynchon fanfiction. Illuminatus! is like the gravity's rainbow coloring book (unauthorized). Never read his freemasom/david icke fanfiction but I'm sure.you can guess my opinion of it.
>Illuminatus! is like the gravity's rainbow coloring book (unauthorized).
but he wrote that book before GR was published, between 1969-1971, you could say that GR is the offshoot book
iirc he actually namedropes GR. It's definitely like "pssst, hey kid... yeah this book has drugs and sex in it" and then william burroughs showed up to the gay rights march and we all recited Joyce. That's how Illuminatus! reads.
>iirc he actually namedropes GR
oh yeah, he revised some segments of his book to include references about Pynchon before publishing the trilogy, not a good choice imo
>There are also references to Thomas Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 and his Gravity's Rainbow, an equally enormous experimental novel concerning liberty and paranoia that was published two years prior to Illuminatus! Wilson claims his book was already complete by the time he and Shea read Pynchon's novel (which went on to win several awards), but they then went back and made some modifications to the text before its final publication to allude to Pynchon's work.
but yeah, the prose isn´t the best in illuminatus
GR: postmodern novel
Illuminatus: post-postmodern novel
You really think someone would do that? Just go to the press and tell lies about themselves?
well i trust them since they had a tough experience trying to publish the trilogy, it was a miracle that they published the book at the end of the day
rawillumination.net
Yeah they tried to peddle smut and Art Bell conspiracy theories before Thomas "the whistleblower" Pynchon writes his magnum opus and then 2 years later they release the My Immortal version of GR and claim they wrote it first.
>my favorite book is better than yours!!!!
cringe
>t. hasn't read either
The original concept for the Roberts was literally playboy magazine letters to the editor before GR
i read illuminatus two times, and GR the first two chapters (Beyond the Zero and Un Perm' au Casino)
so?
>You really think someone would do that? Just go to the press and tell lies about themselves?
>can´t come up with anything else
cringe
>I believe the hackwork mess of Iluminatus! is authentic
Pynchon was part of MKULTRA and he's still more authentic. Sad! Many such cases.
So like the 4th chapter? Okay
obvious bait but pynchon is a truly great writer OP, and his work is very accessible, zany, psychedelic, and fun!