Why were the greatest American writers of the 20th century, Fitzgerald, Faulkner and Hemingway, all without degrees?
Also, list writers without degrees.
Why were the greatest American writers of the 20th century, Fitzgerald, Faulkner and Hemingway, all without degrees?
Nathaniel Stewart
Jose James
Has a communications degree, which doesn't really count.
Justin Roberts
Eliot and Pound both had degrees, so you're wrong.
William Jenkins
Those were poets, so they're not really of the same category. If I just said American novelists, what then?
Connor Howard
No degree.
Charles Sanders
Graduated from Cornell with a B.A. in English. Wrong again.
Asher Ross
White Noise is a crap novel but it's also the "de facto" campus novel, despite every other MFA writer/instructor having more experience of and living the majority of their life on a campus.
Levi Murphy
You don't need a degree to be a great writer.
Brandon Hughes
They are memes. not great writers.
Joseph Watson
No degree.
Noah Murphy
No degree
Jack Collins
and it shows
Brayden Brown
No degree
Noah Turner
And it doesn't show for McCarthy?
Carter Myers
>Why were the greatest American writers of the 20th century, Fitzgerald, Faulkner and Hemingway, all without degrees?
>20th century American literature
It's no coincidence that this movement has at its heart the boneheaded and barely literate. Their prose can barely be called such - it has been chopped down to just the bare bones necessary to convey thought. It is without substance or beauty, but it served to finally make distinctive the American literary character from that of the European, so the campuses of the USA have latched on to it with the desperate strength of a drowning man to a bit of wormwood eaten driftwood. Believe me, outside of your country, Fitzgerald, Faulkner and Hemingway are not studied widely, and with good reason.
Josiah Martinez
Saramago
Ryan Butler
No, Blood Meridian was written under the influence of a deity. Absolutely divine prose and a true work of art, no race-bait like these bozos.
Leo Ward
>faulkner is not studied widely
Didn't Faulkner influence literally every postwar French writer? If I remember right, Sartre drooled over The Sound and The Fury when most of America treated Faulkner as a minor backwoods curiosity at best. Plus Faulkner gave Marquez and Cruz the spark to start the Latin American boom. I can't speak to the other two, but Faulkner's astoundingly influential, probably more so abroad than at home
William Brooks
No degree, won Nobel
Josiah Gutierrez
Nobel, no degree
Dylan Allen
>Cruz
Literally who?
>the spark to start the Latin American boom
No, he gave Juan Rulfo the spark to influence the LA boom's authors.
Ryder Morgan
Perhaps I couldn't even have wanted more than that, couldn't have accepted less, who even at nineteen must have known that living is one constant and perpetual instant when the arras-veil before what-is-to-be hangs docile and even glad to the lightest naked thrust if we had dared, were brave enough (not wise enough: no wisdom needed here) to make the rending gash. Or perhaps it is no lack of courage either: not cowardice which will not face that sickness somewhere at the prime foundation of this factual scheme from which the prisoner soul, miasmal-distillant, wroils ever upward sunward, tugs its tenuous prisoner arteries and veins and prisoning in its turn that spark, that dream which, as the globy and complete instant o f its freedom mirrors and repeats (repeats? creates,reduces to a fragile evanescent iridescent sphere) all o f space and time and massy earth, relicts the seething and anonymous miasmal mass which in all the years of time has taught itself no boon o f death but only how to recreate, renew; and dies, is gone, vanished: nothing-but is that true wisdom which can comprehend that there is a might-have-been which is more true than truth, from which the dreamer, waking, says not 'Did I but dream?'but rather says, indicts high heaven's very self with: 'Why did I wake since waking I shall never sleep again?'
Samuel Mitchell
>Nobel
>No international respect
If you say so
Aiden Walker
This idiot’s post is literally written in “tbeir prose” lolol
Aiden Edwards
>bong talking about “latching”
Literally spent the past century pretending an American was British and that genre fiction is real literature.
Brayden Richardson
Bong? Genre fiction?
Jace James
No degree
Logan Walker
When has instituted art ever been good? Did Melville, Twain, Dante, Homer, or Shakespeare have degrees. Dostoevsky went to a Russian university in the 1800's lol. Salinger also didnt have a degree. The system shrinks minds, which is why contemporary literature is so horrible. Thinking like a normie and telling people what they want to hear will make you money (Jordan Peterson), but won't produce great work.
Carson Rodriguez
>European literature
Reminder that a barely literate mick wrote your continent’s magnum opus. Remember your place
Adam Cooper
Good to hear that Dante is Irish. Or did you mean Proust? Very interesting.....Ulysses is not our magnum opus bud.
Juan Turner
?
Grayson Martin
>Dostoevsky went to a Russian university in the 1800's lol
For a degree in mathematics if I recall correctly.
> The system shrinks minds,
This is correct and also applies to other arts, like film.
Logan Gutierrez
Drop out
Carter Carter
You do remember correctly. Sartre considered TSATF the best novel of the 1930s. Toni Morrison was also influenced by the Faulk.
Eli Fisher
It was 1929 though.
Justin Sanders
>our
>taking credit for two people of different nationalities
Eurocringe
Henry Harris
Yeah the French love Faulkner. The other user is baiting or retarded. The only one he has a case for is Fitzgerald and even then not being known abroad is not really a shame.
Nathaniel Reed
It was translated into French in 1937.
Christian King
Dosto was fairly well-educated for his time, Shakespeare attended gammar school though he could not graduate because his father went bankrupt. Dante was notoriously educated in the letters and sciences of his day.
Also you've provided examples of great writer without degrees, to have a case you should compare them in quantity and importance to writers who had a degree. Then you'd have to explain why you conflate "writers with a degree" with "instituted art". You can be college-educated and direct most of your writing in anger at the institutions.
However poorly argued, though, I agree with your general point. You needn't a degree to be a great writer, only some form of education in verbal expression and observation, which can come by in a variety of non-institutional ways.
Landon Murphy
British Nobel laureate who didn't even go to post secondary school.
Isaac Wright
Nobel laureate who dropped out from school from anxiety.
Luis Powell
Just had a law degree, which isn't literary. A businessman who wrote poetry.
Eli Gomez
Holocaust surviving Nobel laureate with no post secondary education.
Ayden Watson
This guy could have ended up killing him. I don't think Grass has a degree either.
Jose Flores
he graduated from Harvard in three years and then went to NYU Law. While at Harvard he studied English and Philosophy pretty much exclusively. Not quite "didn't have a degree."
Nicholas Baker
>. Toni Morrison was also influenced by the Faulk.
as if that means anything
Sebastian Gutierrez
The Harvard thing was non degree.
Michael Perry
What do you think it doesn't mean?
Parker Nelson
she's not one of the greats. her being influenced by Faulkner means nothing.
Sebastian Foster
>Elfriede_jelinek
Why is it that every modern female writer is a Feminist?
Don't they realise the greatest female writer (Emily Bronte) was a Christian?
Why can't women write about other things rather than female rights?
Even the male writers who write on and on about masculinity hardly dwell on the politics of masculinity. It's mostly spoken for.
Why would Kafka feel the need to explain the root cause of his characters?
The whole point of a good story is that you discover what the character is like and their aims are as it moves along.
I find it funny that feminists hate Ayn Rand because most all of these feminist novel are: Character is "feminist ideology", villain is "anti-feminist ideology".
Snooze.
Jackson Scott
The British had to completely overwrite their secondary literature system about 3 years ago to teach their own authors exclusively because schools were teaching too much Steinbeck and Fitzgerald and British authors were becoming obscure.
Jackson Fisher
>Why were the greatest American writers of the 20th century, Fitzgerald, Faulkner and Hemingway, all without degrees?
American """""""education""""""""
Nolan Morris
Wiki doesn't say he graduated. Also, no MFA
Ryder Harris
As opposed to British education? Harvard not snooty enough for you?
Colton Stewart
>Also, list writers without degrees.
pretty much everyone before 1900
Julian Hughes
This guy had been the finalist for a few awards. No degree
Matthew Ward
No reference to graduating from college in her bio. Also once Salman Rushdie's wife. Pulitzer finalist.
Ryder Lee
Him
Grayson Butler
Yo
Christian Wilson
William Robinson
Which great authors (or artists in general) had math degrees? Not just America
Zachary James
>tfw fellfor college meme
>fell for stem meme
I graduate in teo weeks. I amso unfulfilled. I feel like i shafted myself out of an education. I am never going to work in stem
Nathaniel Cooper
I am a failed CFP. I have one over you.
Aiden Cook
No post secondary degree.
Luis Taylor
This guy
Luke Morris
>B.A. in English
lol nice "degree"
Christian Morris
Just high school.
Jayden Kelly
Knut
Luke Price
The censor who was censored.
Nathan Martin
I could have sworn he majored in some kind of Engineering
Landon Brown
Stanford dropout. Didn't have a tech company.
Leo Rivera
Squandered Princeton education.
Dylan Sanchez
Didn't pass entrance exams. The equivalent of shitting up the SATs.
Brayden Martinez
Dropout
Nolan Jackson
UCL dropout
Lincoln Sanders
>Unironically calling Fitzgerald barebones and without beauty
Cameron Ramirez
Just a sailor.
Connor Harris
Hopscotch
Camden Bennett
Never became a high school upperclassman.
Jeremiah Rivera
The 29 year old virgin.
Easton Sullivan
It's a Yea Forums post not an essay.
Gavin Bennett
It's kind of pathetic isn't it. Woman feel compelled to justify their equality to the point where it can't really be taken seriously even by themselves. Excuse after excuse and it only ends up being a justification to the self
Adam Cox
He did, and then he flunked out because STEM isn't for brainlets
Carter Johnson
Polish Nobel winning dropout.
Nolan Cox
Fuck off, dumbass.
Connor White
I never met a nice South African.
Jace Lewis
Shut your mouth, Elfriede Jelinek translated Gravity's Rainbow.
Hudson Cooper
Though he did get a Guggenheim fellowship.
Zachary Morris
His only degrees were honorary.
Charles Thomas
Damn, there are a lot of Nobel laureates who are dropouts.
Adam Gomez
Never had postsecondary education.
Jordan Rivera
Law school dropout.
Anthony Harris
Being in the Wehrmacht interrupted his studies.
Lincoln Reed
Wrote poems rather than studying.
Cooper Torres
Not educated past age 11
Thomas Gutierrez
This is what happens when you have friends on both sides of the Spanish Civil War.
Ayden Long
This guy studied math in college.
Asher Reed
Rabbi school dropout
Cooper Adams
Didn't complete secondary school.
Adrian Morris
I believe he dropped out of the University of Virginia after 6 months.
Grayson Morris
>t. tranny
Robert Johnson
Did Whitman finish high school? Anyone know?
Thomas Morris
Still went to school
Joshua Howard
Fascinating that Poe, Whitman, and Browning, three of the greatest 19th century poets, never completed a degree.
Charles Brown
>inb4 he didn't write his plays
Asher Perry
Trans people are the future of literature.
Lincoln Scott
Did he or did he not take the road less taken for a poet, I wonder.
Jace Rogers
Came to say this. Rulfo was the one that started it, not marquez
William Wright
Carpentier dropped out of school to support his family.
Asher Mitchell
This motherfucker.
Ryder Foster
The guy who wrote a longass book.
Connor Myers
But of course.
Oliver Bennett
Trollope
Brandon Fisher
He originally studied engineer physics, I think for only a few months to 1 academic year, then he dropped out to join the Navy. After his military service he went back to school and studied English.
Jack Martin
Never knew he dropped out.
Leo Reed
>my novel is *not* a campus novel
funny that I remember him saying exactly this somewhere. this is also independent of your likely shitty reading of white noise
Joshua Turner
I have a degree and anything I produce will be crap.
Wyatt Rivera
MFA?
Sebastian Richardson
It would be way too short even for an highschool essay, you'd know that if you weren't a dropout like all writers itt.
Grayson Cooper
Alexander Allen
Lmao. What Faulkner have you read? You probably read 1 short story and now have an opinion. Calling Faulkner barebones is laughable. The complexity of his imagery is as profound as anybody's. Who are you even comparing the Americans to? Joyce? Proust? Tolstoyevsky?
Henry Bennett
At least Whitman is the best poet born since 1800.
Wyatt Morris
Lived in his parent's basement.
Anthony Hernandez
And it shows
Julian Peterson
>white noise
>campus novel
i read white noise when i was 14
Nathan Thompson
Marcel had a comfy aristocrat life.
Jose Ross
Good for you?
Zachary Davis
STFU, you just hate black people. You're the same twat shitting on Ellison.
Kevin Green
Still a basement dweller.
Jack Martin
Basement dwelling is aristocratic.
Kevin Jenkins
Is that so?
Gavin Parker
Aren’t half of Fitzgerald’s books about him going to an Ivy League school? Did he just drop out or something?
Ryan Martinez
>No son of mine's gonna be a flunky burnout THAT'S IT you're joining the service!
Logan Anderson
*blocks ur path*
Xavier Turner
Cheever and Vidal, too.
Brandon Moore
No frendolis, you won't make it without studying. Now obey your daddies and go study today's lesson
Connor Gray
Yeah.
Liam Torres
i read like 30 pages and dropped that. zany frat boy adventures for teenagers
Jace Watson
And Ryo from ShenMue is still looking for him.
Landon Gutierrez
Never knew that. Would have guessed both were Ivy league.