This was not a bad movie

It's not top 10 but it's close

My favorite Bond movie. I flat out don't get criticism it receives, because everything it's slandered for was always the staple of Bond as a franchise.

Yeah if you depressed manlet faggots who whine about misogyny

Yes it was.

Craig looked like a bus driver, instead of a suave superspy, and his movies were equally dull. Dalton's movies also made a push towards realism, which made them pretty dull, but at least Dalton himself fit the image.

This.
If anything I'd criticise the corny suit of the bad guy at the end and the invisible car. The rest was by far the best bond to date

LOOK, PARACHUTES FOR THE BOTH OF US!
*throws one out of the plane*
WHOOPS! NOT ANYMORE!

Remember when Bond had kino dialogue?

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Toby Stephens deserved a better movie to be a villain in.

Fun fact. He plays pretty much the exact same character in one of the Sharpe movies, and has a near identical swordfight with Sean Bean, complete with temper tantrum.

>"My name is Kill."
>"That's a name to die for."

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>'member when Jinx was supposed to get a spinoff movie?

There was nothing dull about Licence to Kill, it was an action packed revenge tale. Also it wasn't that realistic and had shit like cameras that shoot lazers, ninjas, and Bond popping a wheelie in a tanker truck

He was really good in that Mangal Pandey movie. I remember this reddit thread talking about how the film has a 91% score on Rotten tomatoes and features and absolutely stunning performance from Toby, yet most people have no idea the movie exists. Sadly the video clip linked has been taken down. I think it was the courtroom scene where he starts screaming about how the mistreatment of the Indian soldiers is going to lead to the fall of the British presence in India.
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He's Maggie Smith's son, apparently.

Prime Toby Stephens would have made a great Bond to be honest.

yeah

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Not the worst Bond film (that is A View to a Kill), but when I hear people say it is the best or one of the best I can only assume they are joking or trolling.

View to a kill has good bits, but it's not enough to save "Bond at the races".

Tomorrow never diets

Were we not also 'going to get a Wai Lin' spin-off movie from Tomorrow Never Dies? I think these were both claims that at the time never had any substance to them.

>View to a kill has good bits
I do not mean to be rude, but such as? That entire film is not only boring but it is basically the same plot as Goldfinger, and furthermore suffers from Moore's age. Apart from the song it is an forgettable and uninspired Bond film.

You can't talk about Halle Berry without Halle Berry.

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A View to a Kill is great, so underrated. Not joking or trolling but feel free to assume I'm lying for not sharing your opinion.

The worst Bond film is definitely one of the flicks with Daniel Craig, just pick any of them. Why people like his shitty "Bond" movies is beyond me

The Eiffel Tower chase and skydive is great, and I always liked the rock-salt shotgun shootout. But I agree, the film is pretty bad.

Walken as the villain, Mayday as his Amazon Negress sidekick, great musical score, the fight on the golden gate Bridge, Zorin massacring his own minions, and plus the entire film is just weird in an interesting way, so many little odd touches that make it unique. As for Moore's age, doesn't bother me that much. Sure the film is more humorous than exciting but I find it highly entertaining. Yes the plot is Goldfinger but with the acts reversed, however if you're gonna steal, steal from the best. It's not as if the franchise is known for originality anyway

>The worst Bond film is definitely one of the flicks with Daniel Craig
Either Skyfall or Spectre for me as both amongst the worst Bond films (for different reasons - I think Skyfall may be an okay 'film' but I cannot stand it as a 'Bond film' - I actually like Casino Royale and at least parts for QoS.

>was so disliked that it forced the producers to fire the lead actor for the first time in the series (all the previous actors bowed out) and do a soft reboot
>not a bad movie

I think QoS is a decent fast paced action movie but never understood why people love Casino, long overblown dull movie

I agree it it was a bad movie, but I think part of the problem was the effect Austin Powers had in highlighting/parodying elements that are common within Bond films. Worst for Die Another Day was how over the top it was as a Bond, making Austin Powers seem even more correct.

>dude invisible cars are so ridiculous lmao
So a car turning into a motorized ski (Living Daylights), being able to be controlled fully remotely (Tomorrow Never Dies), turning into a fucking submarine (Spy Who Loved Me), and being filled with more missiles than a top-secret silo are somehow less ridiculous?

Why is Halle Berry always intoxicated at award ceremonies?

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For me at least, Casino Royale feels comparable to something like From Russia with Love: it has a feeling of a Bond film but is still grounded (or at least as grounded as a Bond film can be and still be a Bond film).

In particular, this is important - at least at the time the film was released - because it comes off the back of Die Another Day. Regardless if one likes Die Another Day it was widely ridiculed at the time as being over-the-top, and Casino Royale restored confidence in the franchise.

Other things that people like about Casino Royale - of which I agree with - are the song/intro (though this really only a minor thing) and Eva Green. More generally, it is a 'well put together film'.

What I dislike about Casino Royale is Craig (however this is the only Bond film within which I actually somewhat think he is good in) and how QoS continues on from it.

By no means is Casino Royale my favourite Bond film, but I think it is understandable why people - both causal watchers and Bond fans - like it.

I think the invisible car is the straw that broke the camels back. There were other problems in Die Another Day other than the invisible car that made people dislike the film and more generally the franchise was a point within which it was viewed as having gotten overtly too silly.

But this movie had black woman in it. I thought that was important. They're putting black women in everything now. Star Trek, Dr Who, Star Wars. Movies are just riddled with black women. But die another day was way ahead of the curve.

Oh wait. Is it because Haly berry is hot? And she's not really "black", she more like, a dark skinned exotic hottie?

Why is Halle Berry not using my face as her chair? We may never know the answer to some of these questions.

I WISH THEY ALL COULD BE CALIFORNIA GIRLS

Seriously, what were they thinking with this scene?

A lot of the the political commentary and technology in Tomorrow Never Dies has aged incredibly well, IMO. The idea of remotely driving a car seemed fanciful in 1997, but it's trivial today.

View to a Kill has a scene where Bond survives by inhaling air from a car tire underwater. That is peak Bond. Plus it has Christopher Walker as one of the greatest Bond villains. Plus it has a kino 1980s aesthetic.

I dug Austin Powers back in the day and thought that the Brosnan films did a pretty good job of not being anything like them. No OTT lairs (apart from DAD's ice palace), no jumpsuited goons, no women with comically sexual names. The Brosnan films had other issues like an over-reliance on shoot-em-up action.
The thing about DAD is that it's not even charmingly silly the way earlier OTT entries like Moonraker or YOLT were. Those at least had good musical scores, cinematography, effects, set design, etc. DAD is bad in a low-rent way. It was made for video gamers and Vin Diesel fans back then. It was Playstation Bond. I remember it well, I was a teen back when I saw it in theaters with friends. By the time the end credits rolled it was clear that the Bond series needed to change.

Zao was a kino villain

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>The idea of remotely driving a car seemed fanciful in 1997, but it's trivial today.

The entire Bond franchise suffers this problem, and not only in technology.

In the past when Bond was going to all these foreign countries it was exotic, not only because there was less globalisation (meaning these countries often felt different what people knew at home) but more importantly many people did not go abroad. In contrast, today people (in general) can easily travel around the world, so accordingly that aspect is less escapist to audiences.

As for technology, yeah you are completely right - just look at things like GPS or tracking devices that have appeared in Bond films, further examples of technology that are no longer futuristic to audiences.

I understand why casual fans like it but not real fans. It tries so hard to distance itself from the Bond formula and be taken seriously that as a fan I feel alienated watching it. It feels like a Bond movie made specifically for people who never gave a shit about Bond.

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>It tries so hard to distance itself from the Bond formula and be taken seriously
I think the film had to do this, to be honest given the state the franchise was in.

>It feels like a Bond movie made specifically for people who never gave a shit about Bond.
Whilst certainly not like many previous Bond films (or even what I what consider my favourite style of Bond film), I do not think this is fair.

This description I think however perfectly describes Skyfall, much of Spectre, and probably going to be the case No Time To Die.

You can make a film more grounded without making it a virtually humorless affair with no gadgets or womanizing or any of the elements that make a Bond film a Bond film. Just look at the Dalton era, more grounded but still very Bond-like, and that was after AVTAK.

Honestly Die Another Day was a success, and I think the whole "the franchise needed to be saved!" is more of a myth than a truth. I think Barb Broccoli wanted to reboot Bond and make him more woman friendly and realistic because of popularity of the Bourne movies, and merely used Die Another Day and its criticisms as an excuse. Craig was hired purely to create controversy and get people talking. He's a shit Bond

No time to live and let die another day because tomorrow never dies

>realistic because of popularity of the Bourne movies ... Craig .. He's a shit Bond
I agree with that - Casino Royale had significant influence from the effect of the Bourne films and I dislike Craig - but I think you understate the state of franchise at the time of Die Another Day and Casino Royale, and in general are being to harsh of Casino Royale as a film and as a Bond film.

Do not get me wrong, I can see why you do not like it however and am not going to badger you into thinking it is great.

As for the Dalton-era (Licence to Kill is amongst my favourite Bond films) I agree it is a superior portrayal of Bond, but sadly it did not do too great at the time and is often still overlooked.

Out of curiosity what is your favourite Bond film?

>Die Another Day
>not bad

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I've been a huge Bond fan since the 90s and CR is my all-time favorite. Nothing about it struck me as Bourne-ish. To me it felt like a return to the early Connery style, or a souped-up adaptation of the novel. It also wasn't humorless, there was plenty of witty banter, it just wasn't the Moore/Brosnan style of humor with visual gags. If there's a movie that undermined Bond's character, it was Skyfall, not Casino Royale.

>If there's a movie that undermined Bond's character, it was Skyfall, not Casino Royale.
Absolutely agree with this.

Yeah, you contrarian faggot, it was amazing.
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Those who do like Die Another Day (and I mean really like) what exactly do you like about it?

Whilst I do not hate the film and can watch it, to say that it the best or amongst the best Bond films seems just contrarian.

The only scenes that I particularly like about it are the hovercraft chase (including the end line 'saved by the bell'), (sort of) the sword fight and (whilst minor) the line "plenty of ice... if you can spare it." Other than it is just a mediocre to occasionally eye rolling Bond film.

I feel it was good but the action felt super bourne, how did Skyfall under-mine him though?

Damn, James Bond got some jungle fever

Why do I look like Quaden Bayles?

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if black female bond was hot and it was the 90s nobody would complain

>Why do I look like Quaden Bayles?

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It's been years since I've seen it but I'll try.
>bond torture opening is interesting
>halle is hot
>that sword fight scene is cool
>ice hotel is a fairly interesting location
>the weird car chase/fight through the melting hotel is campy fun

It leans too far into the schlocky side of bond but I think it's fun.
It has probably been like 10 years since I've seen it though so maybe all those elements are worse than I remember

no, it wasn't
"bad" doesn't even begin to cover it

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It has the worst audio mixing ever. The dialogue is way too low and the explosions way too high

Funny thing is this wasn't even the worst scene. Silliest, yeah, but not worst, which is probably any scene with Jinx in it.
I can see someone not liking Craig as Bond but I cannot fathom how anyone can seriously say that DAD is better than CR. It's like saying Batman and Robin is better than Batman Begins.

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yikes

>No Time to Live and Let Die Another Day

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The lines aren't great but his delivery sold them. Objectively the Graves character isn't a good one but the actor is good enough to make me like him

It would be a top 3 Bond movie if the kino opening sequence was representative of the rest of the movie. Bond fucking up North Koreans and their young dictator heir was based.

Correct, it was a great movie.

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>It would be a top 3 Bond movie if the kino opening sequence was representative of the rest of the movie.
I agree with the opening is great, with the exception of the surfing scene.

It wasn't bad, it was fucking terrible.

View to a kill isn't bad at all. The one in the OP is garbage.

The Living Daylights had ninjas

so cringe it hurts

The absurdity and camp of it all, Halle, Brosnan's charm, the opening scene, never a dull moment, Halle, swordfighting, Rosamund Pike, Zao

>and the invisible car.
I never understood the criticism of the invisible car. That was maybe the one instance I can think of where a Bond gadget was based on something the military was actually working on inventing irl.

This is part of the reason:
>I think the invisible car is the straw that broke the camels back. There were other problems in Die Another Day other than the invisible car that made people dislike the film and more generally the franchise was a point within which it was viewed as having gotten overtly too silly.

Also how many people today know that the military is attempting to develop such technology? Even if something is actually being explored in research it can still seem silly or too much - of which it did, at least for many people, in Die Another Day both when released and today.

You're right, it was an AWFUL movie!

>If there's a movie that undermined Bond's character, it was Skyfall, not Casino Royale.
Hard disagree.
Casino Royale turned him into a whiny pussy that becomes a "woman-hater" because he got his heart broken once. An absolute fucking beta-simp. The Bond in Skyfall is the correct amount of callous and unfeeling.
Though Skyfall still has mope-fest Bond in the beginning, it was at least a step in the right direction. That should've been Craig's last film. Hire someone after that with a better presence.

The invisible car also seems like 'cheating' if you get what I mean - like sure gadgets are meant to give Bond the edge, but an invisible car is too much of an edge.

>Casino Royale turned him into a whiny pussy that becomes a "woman-hater" because he got his heart broken once.
Not the user you are replying to, but I think you misunderstanding this character development. The whole point is that Bond is already closed off to women on a romantic/deeper level - this seems to be his innate personality, added by the profession he is in. His relationship with Vesper is about him - for want of better phrase - learning to open up and realising he can have a romantic/deeper relationship with a woman that goes beyond sex. Her betrayal and death - of a woman he truly loved, and perhaps even the only woman he had up to this point truly loved - had a deep effect on him by reinforcing his previous beliefs as indeed being true and strongly shaping his attitudes to women.

>it's another being contrarian just for the sake of it episode

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>The Bond in Skyfall is the correct amount of callous and unfeeling.
>Though Skyfall still has mope-fest Bond in the beginning
The problem with Craig as 'unfeeling' is it comes across as having no real emotion at all: it this stupid way many actors play 'tough' or 'dark' characters. Bond is 'unfeeling' on some level true, but Bond does have emotion and is often motivated by that emotion: a good contrast to Craig in this regard is Dalton in the Licence to Kill.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Craig. I think OP is honestly the last time we had an honest to god Bond film. I wonder if we'll ever get it back.

>bond torture opening is interesting
Whilst this does have an affect on the plot, I feel this is underused in the story - at least in regards to how Bond does not seem physiologically affected by it at all, I mean even for Bond such frequent torture is bound to have an some psychological effect but it (as far as I can remember) is not even suggested at.

>physiologically
*psychologically

I enjoyed it. Very underrated.

Most entertaining Bond i have seen

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>mope-fest Bond in the beginning
This is why I'm sick of Craig. They soft reboot and say Bond is a fresh '00 in CR then by Skyfall he is a mopey, out of date symbol of the old way of doing things. They are starting No Time To Die in the exact same way as Skyfall too, the fucking hacks.

>Casino Royale turned him into a whiny pussy that becomes a "woman-hater" because he got his heart broken once. An absolute fucking beta-simp.
I'm 130246122. Bond didn't just get his heart broken, he was lied to by Vesper the entire time they spent together. When he was giving up his life for her, she was playing him. The fact that she redeemed herself right before killing herself only made it worse, so he couldn't even get any closure. That would fuck up any guy.
The lesson he learns is that not women are bad, it's that his job prevents him from ever trusting anyone or forming deep Bonds with people. It's the same lesson he learns in Fleming's novel. He comes callous because it's literally the only he can survive in his line of work.
>The Bond in Skyfall is the correct amount of callous and unfeeling.
>Though Skyfall still has mope-fest Bond in the beginning, it was at least a step in the right direction. That should've been Craig's last film. Hire someone after that with a better presence.
To me, Skyfall's biggest problem was how Sam Mendes turned Bond into Batman, but that's another discussion.
This dude gets it.