Yfw this board is filled with Mozartfags

Wagner is often underrated here, probably because (((they))) hate him

dvorak

Mozart is pretty good if you don't compare him to other composers

this

Play Salieri

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For me, it's Chopin.

The most /tv composer is Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, tons of his shit are in classic movies.
like love theme and shiet

For me, it's Sergei Rachmaninoff

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Omar's ok

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>not Shostakovich
I shiggy-diggy.

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bump

Rightfully so.

>listening to any "music" beyond the baroque period

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For me it's Schoenberg

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cringe

For me its Vivaldi

for me it's the dude who wrote the planets

Chopin Niggas Rise Up

>Handel that high
>Haydn that low
>No Schubert

What the fuck

>Not my fucking tempo!

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Mozartchads are the kings of music.
Seethe harder.
youtube.com/watch?v=LeKCvxB7GA8

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Absolute musiclets
Music chads

There is no single better piece of music than Beethoven's 9th.

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Mozart's 39th 40th and 41st, Haydn Quartets (all of them), Beethoven's own late quartets (all of them too), Mozart's Great Mass, Beethoven's own Missa Solemnis
all better than the meme 9th.

>mozat is better than beethoven get over it retard
More talented, but less pop hooks. I'll take the latter, meathead that I am.

VIVALDICHADS WHERE YOU AT?

If mozart were alive today he would be a brap-poster

>Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
his name sounds like when you would accidently stumble upon that ruskie server in CS GO and everyone has that long edgy name

why does he look so smug?

AMADEUS AMADEUS
OH OH OH AMADEUS

Because he knows he's better than most composers will ever be at the mere age of 14.

>These shitposts...are originals?

youtube.com/watch?v=th_ro9CiASc

Shut up, nerd

Beethoven is so based, he even told the king to go fuck himself.

Beethoven i so based, he can write music without hearing.
Mozartcucks are on suicide watch.

>harpsichord faggot asshurt that the romantic and classical periods BTFO his shitty plucking bullshit.

I hate harpsichordfags so fucking much.

The Great Debate:
youtu.be/BUuOmxzbuWQ
youtu.be/HMjQygwPI1c

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why do mozart and bach make redditors and entry level plebs so angry?

Is Mozart high tier classical music, or was it the pop music of its era? Or is it high tier pop music, like some Beatles songs?

Bach > the rest

I am biased in this decision as Mozart's version is the only one I can play.

It's definately "high tier".

easy win
youtu.be/hiCJjD5bXXQ

he was definitely beyond the most popular music at the time

>comparing a genius classical composer to a movie dog

Finally, some good fucking fugue

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Beethoven wasn't fit to shine Mozart's shoes. His work is just moody entertainment when compared to the master's.

Maybe you've been away a long time, they didn't go up there and tell you. Beethoven don't shine shoes no more.

I'm just trying to compose some music here and you're getting fucking fresh?

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You want some good fugue?
youtube.com/watch?v=zO8i5D2uz84

This
youtu.be/1atQFLYbzuk

He is like Shakespeare: both popular and high art at the same time. Fun to appeal to the lower classes, and quality enough that real musicians love him.
There was a period of time where he wasn't that popular anymore among general audiences and only musicians likes him (around the later half of the 19th Century and the earlier half of the 20th.) but he was eventually revived for the public by the efforst of people like Thomas Beecham. You can hear about it here.
youtube.com/watch?v=5dnn9npQZPk

>no Telemann

His recording playing his piano concerto 2 its magical

Liszt was pop music of his day. Still good.

fite me
youtube.com/watch?v=R1QNhRNxvTI

Who is the most aesthetic composer and why it is Frank?

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Fugue's evolved into melodic death metal.

*devolved

tagged. Thanks.

My nigger.

To each his own

No. Music is objective.

Objective to what?

Rienzi, Tannhäuser, Lohengrin, and Tristan und Isoldare have the best overtures of any operas.

To God.

Verdi gang rise up!
youtu.be/bFrrfTBnKnI

So the closer to God the better the music?

Yes.

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I understand and appreciate your argument.

>krauts

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Tannhäuser's first theme always makes my mind go cray cray, fucking top heroic shit ever

Beethoven was the biggest Mozartfag in history you dipshit.

I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate

He is correct that the Haydn quartets are completely unparalleled, especially the 16th

These two songs actually do sum up the whole debate.

Beethoven's sounds smarter and more methodical, whereas Mozart's rondo is more soulful and free. Mozart is the more joyous and and thrilling musical experience.

He also uses more notes

That really is what makes Mozart the greatest, how spontaneous and incidental everything sounds while adhering to strict form.

What the fuck, it's literally the other way around.
Mozart and smarter and more methodical.
Beethoven is more soulful and free (as in allowing himself to break rules much more often to get the feeling that he wants).

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>Taking my exact argument and swapping the terms

Way to make a point there bro.

Bheetoven is good at communicating a feeling to the listener, but Mozart is better at making the listener FEEL

>Bheetoven is good at communicating a feeling to the listener, but Mozart is better at making the listener FEEL

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Historical revisionism. Beethoven was Black.

Grieg's additionally unusual in being a thoroughly decent human being unlike most of the great composers (who were assholes).

>when you pull up to the club
youtube.com/watch?v=QP73569coeo

>Jesus was the jew
okay, but he went much further and changed music forever, thanks to his rebellious temper

fremch whores are very insprirationl

*ruined music forever

When you consider how Italy's the only country to have about as many great men of classical music as Germany it's surprising to see it so underrepresented hereabouts.

I would swap Beethoven and Haydn, but otherwise, yeah.

Beethoven=soul
Mozart=soulless
Of course they're both shit compared to the likes of Shostakovich. Anti-commie Russians are alway the best.
youtu.be/PeJPmIbiqp4

Shostakovich wrote some good music but he was a stalinist bootlicker

The transitional period between baroque and classical is so great though. Don't tell me you don't like Johann Christian Bach

The vocal music of the baroque is the best, if you think the only defining characteristic of the period was harpsichord then yikes

He did what he had to do to survive but that music tells the truth.

shut up contrarian, lol
youtube.com/watch?v=n8Tp5ZW_rGs

What is it with Russian music having such a cinematic, otherworldly quality to it?
youtube.com/watch?v=ctsWdUaHsHM

>all these Classical virgins itt not recognizing the superiority of us Baroque chads

Can someone recommend me some epic heroic classical music, i wanna add some to my gym playlist

>t. bombastic cinematic musiclet with shitty attention span

just listen to symphonic metal or something

>cinematic
they both were literal film composers

I just heard that, it sounds pretty gay.

Peak film composer was Nino Rota
youtube.com/watch?v=FbTjyOLr-Ek

I don't care who the artist is as long as the song is fast and heavy. I prefer violin concertos as well.

Scrabin > > > > Bach > > Mozart > > Tchiakovsky > Beethoven > Ravel > Debussy > Chopin > Schubert > > > > > > > > > > > > infinity > > > > > > > > infinity again > > > (((serialists))) (((schoenberg))) (((boulez)))

Cringe opinion.

Therefore Palestrina is the best composer

fpbp
early beethoven is good too though

piano concertos is where the shit's at

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mozart's austrian style means his music is all just so cheerful and perfect, looking back on it it often feels a bit more sterile than Ludwig, who is the king of emotion, He conveys more emotion more effectively than mozart, at the cost of not always being such a pleasant emotion

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do you not like Scriabin, or do you like serialists?

wtf has been going on with moderation lately?

youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

>Mozart's music is sterile
plenty of his music is absolutely teeming with emotion

I agree someone should ban you for life for still using wtf

that's our boy

I've just listened to whole symphony and give it 3 out of 5 braps
also >Anti-commie
based

Television and Film?
fucking tranny jannies

>Satie

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based

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t. wojack thread's OP with no replies again

for me it's mendelssohn's pipe organ works

Russkies knew thier shit

youtube.com/watch?v=wiexn6O9To4

Scriabinfags are the cringest classical music fags. Even Vivaldi normies are better.

how do I get into playing piano?

shut up, homo. i bet you think scott joplin is classical!
buy a weighted keyboard, or normal keyboard. if you like it and get comfortable with it then spend money on a piano. practice ur scales. don't get discouraged at the start when you can't use two hands independently. that goes away soon enough

I don't know who Scott Joplin is I just recognize Scriabin as a mere proto-Sorabji and the fact people praise Scriabin to no end ranking him higher than fucking Mozart and BACH pisses me off

Ahem
Fuck Mozart and fuck Beethoven
Overture 1812 forever

>doesn't know Scott Joplin
>knows obscure faggots that hipsters jerk off to
you were a mistake, user.

>expects me to know a composer of fucking r*gtime

>fuck two whole composers
>over one piece of music
really now?

out of my way, German scum
youtube.com/watch?v=G7fARRnhWSg

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How do I into Classical Music Yea Forumsbros? I went to learn the Piano when I was young, but my folks pulled me off it a year later and sent me to run track, so it's a bit of a sore spot for me. I loved that Piano. And I was good at it... Anyway, can anyone rec me some composers whose works to download? I wanna know about them. Maybe when I finish Uni I can learn both the Piano and the Violin!

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>can anyone rec me some composers whose works to download?
Yea Forums has a classic general with download links to pretty much everything important

Shostakovich, Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev
Russians are absolute music kino, Shostakovich music sometimes turns into some godly otherworldly space opera soundtrack,I believe that John Williams used some of Shostakovich's ideas in Star Wars music
youtu.be/_WOq1ki6s3c?t=708

For me? It's Telemann
but this is based

since you fags are apparently so well versed and have such great taste, who is the most powerful sounding, high iq and progressive composer?

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>it's popular so it's bad!
grow up

his 7th BTFO's anything else he has made and I won't even start with the composers who could whoop his ass anyday.

Rob Dougan
youtu.be/P61Y5a65qIQ

>powerful sounding (I assume you mean highly dramatic)
>also high IQ
>also progressive
If you mean progressive for the time, Wagner easily fits all of those. If you mean currently progressive, then I can think of any that would also be highly romantic/dramatic sounding.

I love that guy. Shame he's only done one album? Why is that?

>only notable work are the song that plays when people wake up and a meme song about cave trolls

Why are Nords so cheap bros?

Mozart's 40th is just as popular as Beethoven's 9th what the fuck are you talking about
*can't think of

>Mozart's 40th is just as popular as Beethoven's 9th what the fuck are you talking about
lol, bullshit.

>ctrl+f
>no Mussorgsky

THREAD FILTERED

I'd suggest the big names like Chopin, Liszt, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff, Mozart etc. if you just want to get into piano. Especially the first two specialized in piano in particular. That being said, their stuff is nothing for beginners if you plan to learn and not just listen, try film music. Learning simple stuff like the Toy Story theme or the song from UP is great practise if you want to start.

I've read somewhere that dude is depressed AF and was drinking after the release of 1st album.
There are two new albums "Films past and future (2018)" and "The life of the world to come (2019)". Check em, fantastic tracks
youtu.be/drS-ZX37Dg8

That scene in Orange Clockwork where Alex is listening to Beethoven still sends me in a trance

My man

What shithole do you live in where it isn't

Yeah, but I don't frequent Yea Forums so I don't know their tastes. Plus, this thread is already here, so...
Nah, I just want them for listening at this point. I want to get into the world. I'll try actual instruments later, after I've untangled my messes.
Hm, I see. I didn't know about his new albums, thanks!

also try Wagner, he's a bit different to other classical composers but just as good

youtu.be/-HujjNQPv2U

>Can someone recommend me some epic heroic classical music, i wanna add some to my gym playlist

The main problem is that the best pieces take a long time to build up their full effect. (e.g. Beethoven 9th, 4th movement. Ideally you should listen to the rest of the symphony first & that's a big chunk out of your day.)

But there's still plenty we can do.

1. Sibelius, Karelia Suite
youtube.com/watch?v=1ryhN5kNFzc
>The whole thing is about 16 minutes but if you want concentrated essence of awesome, go straight to the last movement (12:17).

2. Wagner, Tannhauser overture
youtube.com/watch?v=SRmCEGHt-Qk
>When the big tune kicks in, pencil-necked nerds have been known to lift entire gymnasiums over their heads and/or invade Poland.

3. Elgar, Enigma Variations
youtube.com/watch?v=P2OhGH3rFi4
>Everyone knows Variation 9, 'Nimrod' (12:26). It's great, but more "resigned, elegiac" heroism. If you want real bicep-swelling charge-the-beaches stuff, you want the last variation (25:26).

4. Beethoven, 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement
youtube.com/watch?v=iukF5CzRL1I
>Beethoven originally dedicated this to Napoleon so it's OK to imagine yourself conquering the neighbouring country of your choice while under its influence.

5. Holst, Planets Suite, "Jupiter"
youtube.com/watch?v=Gu77Vtja30c
>So good they named a planet after it. The big tune at 2:59 is best used when your body is saying I CAN'T and your will is saying YES YOU CAN.

6. Elgar, Pomp & Circumstance March #1
youtube.com/watch?v=gMJ0MqWhIXg
>So I have two Elgar entries. Fite me. The tune at 1:56 may be played in one's head only when leaving the gym after setting a new personal best.

Shut the fuck up harpsinigger.

I know of him. I'll make a list tonight and start downloading some stuff. I've got to clean up my HD again, I've got too many useless stuff in there.

>watch concert
>watch vid of orchestras performing
>never seen any nigs there
Is Classical Music the last stronghold?

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Quite right, quite right

>not one mention of Tchaikovsky
Nigga wrote the nutcracker and 1812 overture, come on bros, that was pretty fucking based

We're on Yea Forums, so Prokofiev has to be mentioned.

Beethoven, unironically. Try his late quartets.

Mozart is the most natural composer ever. If it sounds like hard work, it ain't Mozart.
Beethoven did work very hard on his music. I'd say that's the main difference between the two.

Let's take it to a round dozen.

7. Mozart, Symphony #41 'Jupiter', 4th Movement.
youtube.com/watch?v=-qndO0TuVTU
>Mozart is usually too civilized for your purpose (unleashing the inner bench-press beast). But there was nothing he couldn't do when he wanted. Just don't ADD out on it before the end. The whole point is the way all the themes are combined at the climax.

8. Beethoven, Missa Solemnis, "Gloria"
youtube.com/watch?v=UgISGQh7SzM
>This might not work for you - it's stupendously great but it's a bit more 'difficult' than the others so it might be distracting as music to accompany activity. See what you think. If you like it, listen to the whole thing. I recommend once a year until you die.

9. Handel, "Messiah", "Hallelujah"
youtube.com/watch?v=tRAbF5T2NUY
>Don't worry if you don't believe in all that God stuff. Studies have shown that even atheist bodybuilders have reported 25% gains after using this for six months. AND IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL

10. Orff, "Carmina Burana", "O Fortuna"
youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSK0ogeg4
>Yes, it's a lollipop, but that doesn't mean it doesn't kick ass and take names. And it's only five minutes total, which you might find useful sometimes. (You can even kill at at 2:32 if you're really pushed for time.) A 'lollipop' is what classical musicians call a popular piece that normies like.

11. Sibelius, Symphony #5, 4th movement
youtube.com/watch?v=wtRPJ6C7Jj8
>Sibelius makes everything better.

12. Dvorak, 9th Symphony 'New World', 3rd Movement
youtube.com/watch?v=3VdZMw54Ibs
>CHECK OUT THE BIG DESCENDING BASELINE ON BRAD

Right, that''ll do for now. You're gonna have to say if you want more.

>depussy

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>if

>hurr mozart is alive and well
He signed a deal with the Devil to make banger music and i died, ok?

youtube.com/watch?v=hY_bQpmEBc0

This. Schubert better than all of those save Bach

Reminds me of this: youtu.be/_nS66IvbvcI

Mozart fucking destroyed Beethoven with this. Fucking BASED.

>The music coming up from the floor was our old friend, Ludwig Van, and the dreaded Ninth Symphony.

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Messiaen is the patrician choice.

This is actually true, but plebs will pretend they're too cool to enjoy it.

The Lohengrin prelude, with its 9 minute foreplay, is probably my personal favourite.

>classical
Go back to your containment generals, mewtards

Strauss, I like to waltz

>epic heroic classical music
Depends on what you mean by that.
Like this user said: often classical pieces has a lot of buildup.

Wagner is great with dramatic music since he wrote for the stage. Besides all the usual recommendations here's the part from the beginning of act 2 of Die Walküre:
youtube.com/watch?v=zvsCimRM4ps
In the act before Siegmund has just made love to his sister and we're now high up on a rocky cliff where we meet Wotan and his valkyrie daughter, both wearing full battle attire.

BRAHMS
R
A
H
M
S

more like fagner

No paganini? Italian composers are underrated.

>Piano piece is performed by Horowitz

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literally who?

Pastoral

Richard 'Kike Killer' Wagner was based as fuck.

Fuck off, kike homo.

This, and Sibelius

Where's the love for my bro Rimsky-Korsakov?

>have a research paper over Bach in my college class due today
>need to finish a part where I describe the "musical elements" of a composition by him
>have no clue what to describe it with
Is there a retard's guide to describing music correctly? I need to describe the elements in Christmas Oratorio and Italian Concerto, but I'm just sitting here unsure what to label the various parts (tempo, rhythm, etc.) with.

>Amadeus and Immortal Beloved are the only two classical kino in existence
hurts bros

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Even Liszt was better than Mozart in every way

Handel. What else did he make besides the meme song and Sarabande

>mozart
lmao GOD loves POWER not virgin slow shit
youtube.com/watch?v=cHw4GER-MiE

youtube.com/watch?v=P2wNAWBPFiI

>btfos everyone ITT

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for me, it's Bach

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>mfw no mention of Mahler
How do all of you have such shit taste

Holy based

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7>/=9>5>3>6>10>2>1>8>4

Bach is overrated trash

Mozart managed to master every form... His operas, late symphonies, quartets, sonatas and concertos both violin and piano, quintets, choral works, etc are exceptional. The sheer volume and quality of his work is astounding, especially since this was all done in about a decade or two.

Beethoven's brilliance comes though on something like the great fugue, or sonata 32... Bernstein put it well that most of Beethoven's individual components are fairly uninspiring, but when he places them together, and breaks rules his genius shines through...

Anyway, trying to rank the masters of music is dumb. Is it really worthwhile comparing Shostakovitch to Stravinsky? It's like comparing apples and oranges.

I like you.

Sorry I don't have 18 hours to listen to a 8 movement piece with little bits of psuedo-klezmer band diarrhea splattered in.

He is, user

3>9/7>5>6>8>...4/1/2...

For me, it's BWV 847 as performed by Gould.

>3
finally, a man of taste
Eroica is what ultimately made Beethoven Beethoven

stravinsky

yeah it was the consummation of the turn into Romanticism, I don't think it can be underestimated. I consider his symphonies being in the shadow of 3, where 9 cast a shadow on the rest of the form for subsequent composers

gyorgi ligeti

No, he was moor. Well, kinda. Allegedelly Beethoven had moor ancestry because he was described as short, brown and called "the Sicilian" behind his back. The Ottomans occupied Vienna for a while and they're still some brown Germans

Check out Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky. It's about 13th Century slavs stomping krauts.

Mahler was good at what he did, but he only really did one thing.

Plus he's gruesomely self-indulgent.

Mendelson is where it's at

The Ottomans never occupied Vienna, only laid siege to it.

ugh

listen to the older more romantic interpretations

the only reason why anyones even heard of Amadeus is because of that meme biopic anyway

>listening to any music not written by J.S. Bach

Naa, putting the 3rd above the 9th is "too cool for mainstream" contrarianism at its worst.

Having said that, when Beethoven himself was asked, near the end of his life, which of his symphonies was his *favourite*, he replied "the Eroica".

the 9th, the 6th and the 3rd are the only symphonies of his that matter

how the fuck is it contrarianism when the man himself corroborated that opinion?

Austria?

He said it was his *favourite*, not his best.

Enormous, muscular hands typed this

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that doesn't make it contrarian if you take a symphonies ranking to be in terms of preference rather than "objectivity"

Lick my nazi balls
youtube.com/watch?v=_2-dLoWorUs

Also, Beethoven could be notoriously contrarian himself, especially if he thought people weren't appreciating him as much as they ought to.

Typical example: the 7th and 8th symphonies premiered quite close together (they're Op 92 & 93). Not long afterwards someone asked him "why is it that people like the Seventh so much more than the Eighth?"

B. replied "Because the 8th is so much better."

I don't believe for a moment he really thought the 8th WAS better. (It isn't.) He was just expressing general disdain for normies.

Mozart kino archive.org/details/themozartmystique

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Yeah let's just forget about one of the most popular piano concerto of the romantic era.
youtu.be/I1Yoyz6_Los

>no Rimsky-Korsakov
Plebs, the lot of you.
youtube.com/watch?v=aYAJopwEYv8

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its not fully romanticism yet, its not brimming with emotions , nor its not full classicism already as it broke to many rules, and that's what it makes it so unique in my book, something that can only be done in such a rare conditions, once per humanity