>almost has sex with a 17 year old >it's treated as traumatizing for the 17 year old She acted more like a 14 year old tbqh, although if the showrunners had Bojack try to fuck a 14 year old, he'd be in the depths of hell in normie eyes whereas with 16/17 he's just sleazy territory
That being said >she was only 17, she didn't know better Really? I get this argument for when you talk about 13 year olds, but 16/17/18 year olds are thinking about college and are effectively young adults. What Bojack did was horrible and scummy, but still.
if he waited just a little longer he'd be in just "desperate old guy" territory
Owen Lopez
My headcanon is that it's all Charlotte's fault. She gaslit Penny to think she was almost raped instead of almost seduced an old guy.
But I don't think it was writers' intention.
Lucas Johnson
It IS Charlotte's fault. She allowed some unreliable old man who she didn't really know well to randomly show up in stay in her home for multiple months. Allowing him to be integrated with her family. And it's because Bojack is NOT actually a creep that makes the whole situation Charlotte's fault. Bojack did not come to Charlotte with the mission and intention of having sex with her daughter, he didn't even know she had a daughter. It's amazing how long it took Charlotte to realize that Bojack came down from California to have sex with her, that Charlotte herself was the point of Bojack randomly coming to her home. Any normal individual would be asking Bojack "How long is this visit going to last?" Because the sensation of it being awkward would have set in within the first week. Remember Charlotte was never close with Bojack.
Carson Sanchez
The infantilization of adults continues to erode the modern generations of our species. It will only get worse the longer this kind of mindset lasts.
Genuine question, if she were 18, would the, "It's not up to her to know better, it's up to Bojack, he's already the experienced adult" excuse hold up more? If she were 19 or 20, would that excuse still hold up? I'm wondering what age someone has to be before saying that as a reason is no longer justified.
Chase Hernandez
It also didn't help that Bojack did not stay at some hotel despite being able to afford it. He stayed in Charlotte's garage or something like that. Making the sense of awkward intrusion even stronger.
Austin Cox
It will continue until the country is bankrupt and collapses and then those ill equipped to survive will start becoming homeless and starve. Some of those will also turn to crime to survive. Honestly I don't see a majority of people who have good values and strong sense of community coming together to survive at all. Not in the USA anyway.
Samuel Richardson
Yeah it's almost like the Hollywood writers wanted to put moral ambiguity into the discussion of pedophilia and consent. Seems to happen a lot these days. Big Mouth, Turning Red, Cuties...
So you need to ask yourself, why WOULD they do that? Why would Hollywood writers want to try and put it in your head that fucking children can have ambiguity to it? I have an answer, but I think it would hit too close to home for jannies, so I'm just gonna say 'fuck jannies' and let you all draw your own conclusions.
Jason Phillips
1. He didn't even want to do it. He had already turned her down and it kind of upset him. 2. She was trying to force herself on him. She was told no, but kept trying anyway. Penny is old enough to know that's wrong. 3. Usually the problem would be an older person manipulating the younger, more naive person into sex. 4. Everyone focuses on the sex act that didn't even happen. Bojack was being terrible here because he was trying to inject himself into Charlotte's life and break up her happy family.
Noah Baker
Desensitize?
Kevin Walker
No. There was no argument. He was kicked off of someone's private property, that's the only thing that happened. Californian or something?
Anthony Martinez
There was no moral ambiguity, Bojack was wrong. He showed up in New Mexico to creep on an old flame who was already married and it culminated in almost fucking her teenage daughter.
Dominic Allen
>Yup it's almost like these Staes with Child Marriage Laws want to normalise adults having sex with kids >As of July 2021, six states have banned underage marriages, with no exception: New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island and New York >44 US states are pro-grooming
Julian Parker
>not just getting a judge to emancipate the minor so she can legally marry you at any age in almost any state Bunch of rookies in this thread I tell ya what. Next you'll tell me laws against making your own booze prevents you from making your own booze.
>this thread AGAIN Charlotte is the real villain for making out with her ex as a married woman
Oliver Hall
They'll prop up that the brain develops until 30 (or whatever the new number is) so all accountability is held off.
Benjamin White
Legally, and to most people, morally it'd be 18.
Well user, a switch doesn't just automatically click and suddenly you're a mature adult. the whole 18+ thing is just a hard cut off where legally you can be considered a full grown adult. Probably the reason why so many fresh new adults get themselves into debt trying to go into college for something they have a half interest in. That's why alot of people these days would preferably wait until 20 or 21 before they even think about getting with somebody hella younger than them. Gives em more time to learn they're 100% in control of their lives now.
Penny needed to be saved from herself from making a mistake. cause in penny's eyes all she sees is some cool old ass stranger. She's disgusted by him afterwards because she probably realized ," Holy fuck was this dude actually about to let me seduce him
Anyways, you fuckers are getting way too caught up on age,her age doesn't matter, the main issue here is that the situation was already fucked to begin with. >go down to person you barely know anymore's house unannounced >live there on a whim >almost fuck their kid too when he literally could have just left at any time. Her being 17 just further drives home how impressionable she was.
Elijah Turner
17 year olds don't even have fully developed brains. They're basically half- mentally deranged hormone monsters. For sure not adults.
Justin Myers
He bought a boat. I can't remember why, probably to live at sea, but instead park it on her street next to the house.
I think that's the point of the show. Bojack is nothing but red flags, but viewed through rose colored glasses.
Jonathan Ramirez
You're argument is adults don't make bad decisions? Or just that when an adult makes a bad decisions it is justified? You would argue it is better to treat someone like they are a "half- mentally deranged hormone monster" right up until you no longer see them that way, and expect them to shift their actions to your expectations on your own whim? I don't expect a child to be able to change a tire, but not even bothering to TRY and teach them how to and wonder why they still can't years later is lunacy. He bought the boat as an excuse for why he was there to begin with. He makes up a lie about there being a boat show in town which is why he showed up, so he buys a boat to cover the lie. He lets Peggy in on the lie and that is when they start bonding.
>almost has sex with a 17 year old did he? I remember that he was saying "hell no", like all the time.
Robert Kelly
Nic Cage is being badmouthed for getting his 27 year old wife pregnant. Women are infantilized in the west to avoid facing repercussions.
Jack Reed
>Nic Cage is being badmouthed for getting his 27 year old wife pregnant. where?
Jaxon Ward
Sober people can make dumb choices. Roofied people can also make dumb choices. It doesn't mean fucking roofied people is okay. Someone with a compromised head state can't fully consent to sex and one of the several things that compromises a head state is an underdeveloped brain.
Elijah Collins
Bojack shuts her down at first.
Then during prom goes on a drunken spiral, which to him is another night but I think gets her friend alcohol poisoning.
The last scene is Bojack stumbling back to his trailer and her basically seducing him. It's like that last drunk thing you do before you pass out that you probably don't remember in the morning.
But again the mom stopped it, so it didn't happen.
Jason Walker
The proper way to handle a 17 year old is to help them the develop the skills they will need to pursue their needs and goals and adult hood. Teaching someone how to change a tire or Ballance a budget is not in the same universe as giving them booze and later on trying to fuck them.
Jeremiah Ramirez
Reminds of a rapper, I don't remember his name. Making a song about slipping roofies into girls drinks and having his deal with Nike cancelled.
Brandon Davis
Not according to US law. If you want to make a moral argument you're not going to get anywhere either. Or I guess you could spend the next several hours convincing me I was raped all throughout me teens by other teens because my brain our brains weren't big enough to know what the word consent means. I dunno, knowing how sex works seems like it would be more useful, unless AAA can swaps your tires and tell you what doggy style is. I'll agree they aren't the same but honestly, bringing up booze in this conversation is laughable considering Peggy specifically didn't drink at all so she would be sober enough to put the condom on with her mouth.....her words not mine.
>But again the mom stopped it, so it didn't happen. again, all that stuff is just headcanon. They still have the clothes on, it looks like Bojack was saying no and she was being annoying.
Liam Lee
>how dare my daughter try to SEDUCE YOU when you are drunk the only thing bojack did wrong was get them alchol.
Jace Nguyen
Eh, dropping off that one woman at the hospital and strong-arming the guy into not saying he had anything to do with it was top tier scummy. Way worse than anything to do with the deer. But like others have said, the mother not doing anything about him just crashing there was the biggest mistake out of all of it.
Jaxon Walker
You could say she was a deer caught in the headlights.
Robert Jenkins
Pedophilia is pedophilia. Not that hard to understand
Aiden Hernandez
I mean, I could shit on the dad too but he was clearly a ballless wimp. In reality it probably wouldn't be too hard for a random celeb to crash at the average persons house without many questions asked. Pretty sure that's how Michael Jacksons broth- I mean how MJ did it.
John Bell
Holy shit, an user that actually watched this show!?? Get this fucker outta here!! REEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee
Isaiah Long
>In reality it probably wouldn't be too hard for a random celeb to crash at the average persons house I'll bury you and your slut wife!
But on a side note it's a little disappointed how much non character the dad and son are. The joke they always away from the scene
SHE WAS SEVENTEEN YEARS, THREE-HUNDRED AND SIXTY-FOUR DAYS, TWENTY-THREE HOURS, FIFTY-NINE MINUTES, AND FIFTY-NINE SECONDS OLD YOU SICK FUCK
Brody Parker
Sex Ed doesn't mean fucking kids.
Jordan Powell
desu I don't think I considered myself an adult till I was early 20s, and I was a piece of shit till I was 24. I was a good kid over all stayed out of trouble, but you're still borderline retarded.
Nathan Parker
I know this is a joke but I mean, the line has to be drawn somewhere when it comes to age of consent. I don't think people are pedos for it but I think wanting to fuck 18-early 20 year olds is weird as fuck, they're way too immature and I don't get what you would see in them outside of your preferences for their looks I guess. Basically feel the same as this guy
Jayden Garcia
ephebophilia, paedophilia is finding pre-pubescent children attractive.
William Richardson
At that point the head creator had drunk the SJW Koolaide and started trying to change Bojack to fit their agenda. That's why they had they did the gun episode, and had all those "muh ebil males in Hollywood" plots. Also she was gaslit after the fact to be brainwashed into thinking she was basically raped and killed. Cause she wasn't having panic attacks with him at all she was having a good time and even legally knew the laws and was ok with it. The only one who has doubts was Bojack. She was ready to get that pony ride. So basically she went from based to blue pilled thanks to her mom and the show writer
Asher Kelly
It happens pretty often honestly, kind of surreal. How quickly people forget that celebs are still total strangers. I never said anything about doing that kind of thing with kids user. Are you sure you read what I typed properly?
>17 year olds don't even have fully developed brains 16 year olds are old enough to join the army.
Henry Wood
Ironically, trying to sleep with Penny was shitty, but probably the least shitty thing Bojack had done that night >Tried to convince her mom to leave her husband and kids and elope with him >Bought hard liquor for a teenager >Pushed responsibility for a teenager that nearly died of alcohol poisoning onto another teenager If Penny is feeling traumatized over that night, it's probably the realization of all the other shit he did, in combo with "holy shit I tried to have sex with him?!?!?!" that messed her up.
Jordan Price
I think the age gap plays a big part. Like a 21 year old with an 18 year old is normal, but anyone 25+ chasing 18 year olds is iffy. Even though an 18 year old is old enough to consent, young people change a lot up til their early/mid 20s and can pretty easily be taken advantage of by someone older. I'm early 30s but wouldn't be comfortable with someone more than 10 years younger.
Robert Wright
Shit may as well make the adult age be 30 now with how much you want to baby people. Shit may as well just have everyone wear diapers until 31 just to be sure
John Rogers
You dumbass, is about power, he isn't an old guy she almost fucked in a party at the beach, he is an authority figure that lived in his house, that's what hard for her, she can't dismiss it as a mistake, he was part of his life and has more control over the situation than her, that's it. For the record I was still porking 14-15 years olds in my mid 20s and fucked a 17 years old when I was 31, this isn't moral faggotery. This isn't like fucking a 15 years old Mexican girl in Acapulco at a beach party. Penny being traumatized makes sense, she was a sheltered kid that almost fucked the weird uncle her own mom used to fuck.
Bentley Ortiz
>her own mom used to fuck Want me to tell you how I know you never saw the show and are just moral seething?
Joshua Morgan
Why did Americans start calling any sexual act with a minor, pedophilia? Now I do in no way condone sexual acts with minors. That stuff is no good and you really shouldn't do it. But call it what it is. Sex with a 17 year old is bad because it's sex with a minor, not because it's pedophilia.
Sebastian Long
Half age plus seven.
If a 70y.o. gets with a forty something, it's whatever, even if the 70 y.o. has kids that age.
If a 35 y.o. goes after a high school senior, then yeah that's weird.
Adam Barnes
its called hebephilia
Grayson Foster
>New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island and New York all democrat states btw
Josiah Edwards
It actually isn't. It's only hebephilia if 20 is too old for you. Finding fully grown people attractive doesn't become a paraphilia just because they are below an arbitrary age.
Hunter Gutierrez
Ok groomer.
Thomas Ross
its called Ephebophilia
Liam Cruz
>show simps for the witch hunt movement >goes to fucking shit afterwards
