Why is Disney so obsessed with promoting comedy cartoons like Big City Greens and Molly McGee...

> only care about money, OP.

Companies aren't your friends, they make cartoons to make a profit not for charity.

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How do we save lore cartoons? I don’t want the industry to become infested with comedy cartoons. I refuse to go back to the 2000s.

Because the target demographic actually watches BCG. You can throw a tantrum about that on Twitter all you want, but then numbers don't lie.

You're not the target audience

It didn’t used to be that way

See
Kids love lore, it’s the adults that are wrong.

Name a time.

All the stuff that jew disney did was for money

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Disney was an anti semite so calling the company Jew is actually a compliment.

>Name a time.
The 90s. Easy.

>golden age of story telling
>any of those shows you've listed
I actually like gravity falls, but you're delusional.

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>The 90s. Easy.
In a time where Rugrats over took a channel?

delulu

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Gravity Falls and the shows it inspired were based. Better than what they were limping out of the barn with previously.

It didn’t take over the channel. It wasn’t SpongeBob; it was only until PPG aired that companies started going overboard.

Sponge Bob and Fritly Odd Parents will always be more popular than Avatar. TTG was more popular than the original Teen Titans. When kids grow up to want better plots, they turn to anime which has better storytelling and animation than the west can ever hope to compete with.

The numbers don't lie, but you do. Cope and seethe.

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>they turn to anime which has better storytelling and animation than the west can ever hope to compete with.
Anime is garbage. The only time it ever beat western animation was in the 2000s where cartoons actually were shit.

the problem is that the mc in anime specifically in the isekai subgenre are mostly milquetoast or zero dimensional blandos.

Gee, it's almost like anime has a wide variety of genres and subgenres that people can pick and choose from that to fit their desires, which they really can't do with animation in the west. Not even trying to turn this into an east vs west thread, but the reason that western animators aren't aiming for the teen and preteen demographic is because they know that they can't compete with video games or anime.

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>owl house
>better

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>but the reason that western animators aren't aiming for the teen and preteen demographic is because they know that they can't compete with video games or anime.
Kind of a chicken or the egg scenario; they do go after the twitter audience because they can't compete with anime and video games or they can't compete with anime and video games because they're too busy chasing the twitter crowd?

>Amphibia and Owl House are so much better in every respect.

>Market
Or is it because you are older than the demo they are going for maybe?

Gravity falls was on rerun to hell and back

This, hell even the Loud House (how big it was) never got much promo outside the network.

It's less that there's not enough variety of genres and more that A. a lot of the genre fiction isn't written well and B. there's simply not enough being produced.
There's only a small handful of action cartoons and most of them are on hiatus.

They weren't, I promise, but they also didn't have reasonable access to much information that would've let them escape their own bubble of ignorance. Kids today, do. Granted, most of them (and adults) still don't utilize those resources, but they are there, at least, in greater abundance than before.

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>Why is Disney so obsessed with promoting comedy cartoons like Big City Greens and Molly McGee? Amphibia and Owl House are so much better in every respect.
it makes money

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Marketing is a big factor here; the refusal to give up creative control and allow some cartoons to expand to new markets is also an issue. This is most obvious for shows like Amphibia and TOH. Look at the numbers for True Colors on Disney's YouTube -- 3.4 million views, released the same day TC dropped. These are bonker numbers that, if they had been on cable, the company would've salivated over. That's how many people actually watch Amphibia. It numbers in the millions.
Now look at Escape to Amphibia, which was released on their YouTube channel a month after its initial release: 217k views. That is a massive decrease. You would be right to ask: did Amphibia really drop that many viewers? And the answer is: no, that's fucking stupid, of course they didn’t. The problem was that *everyone had already seen the episode,* and they didn’t watch it on cable or from Disney – cable is a dead and expensive medium, and Disney gatekeeps their content on all other platforms. Instead, they pirated it: watched it on streams, watched it on WCO or KissCartoon or any of the other websites that put it up day one, for free, no questions asked. These are more easily accessible than Disney is, fundamentally. They don’t require an account, and they are quick. I actually have Disney+, and I still end up watching basically every cartoon I care about on WCO because it’s way less of a hassle.
People naturally look for the most accessible, easily-streamlined medium for watching media they enjoy, and for anyone that has an internet connection, which is everyone, that is always going to be sites that are free to use. Disney and other corporations need to stop clinging onto cable and pay-to-use streaming services. These are not going to be revitalized while the internet is open and free, and they will never be able to stop the internet from being open and free no matter how much dumbshit legislation they try to put through. It is a beast that is too big to tame.

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They also need to stop restricting their demographic markets. Invader Zim was massively popular among teens and young adults when it came out in the early 2000s – this obviously scared the shit out of Nickelodeon at the time, but it was a sign for things in the future. Right now, engagement with online content and cartoons are predominant among these slightly older demographics, but cable networks still attempt to pander ceaselessly to a much younger audience. And that’s fine, to an extent. Lots of kids are watching TOH and Amphibia – lots of kids watched SU and AT and Avatar, obviously – but it isn’t the market Disney should be looking at exclusively. They need to find a better middle ground than between ‘only 5-year-olds can watch this garbage’ and ‘this show needs to say fuck every 3 seconds.’ TOH and Amphibia have tried to breach that middle ground, but are held back by Disney refusing to let hem slide closer to that teen-young adult audience. If they did allow that, along with market them better on alternative platforms, they would see massive increases in viewership.
Also they need to market their fucking merch better, Jesus Christ. That is a HUGE money-maker that they're just leaving on the table, it seems.

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This is actually not true in terms of numbers either; you’ve been fed a crock of shit. TTG had a massive drop-off of viewership in its last seasons, around the time when cable as a whole started to die (like, 2017ish). Right now its new episodes are sitting at an average of .3mil, which is lower than Amphibia and TOH in its final seasons. It’s most recent episodes don’t even break .15mil, which is super fucking pathetic. The original TT consistently had high viewership, by contrast, in the 1 to 2mil range throughout its entire run, and sometimes breaking beyond that. It never had that extreme dip, even in the most lore heavy episodes, like S4 – those where actually the most popular of that season. FOP is the exact same as TTG – massive decrease in viewership after cable starts to decline. Lore shows also have that decline when cable dies, but they don’t suffer it nearly as bad – look at S2 of Gravity Falls if you wanna see that. The dip is there, because cable is dying, but it still has a far higher retention of viewership.
ATLA is self-explanatory: you are fucking dumb. It maintained a far higher average higher viewership throughout its entire run than FOP ever even came close to scratching, though FOP has high single-episode peaks. Spongebob was more popular than ATLA, yeah, but Spongebob is also the most popular cartoon ever made, period. Not really fair to compare it with anything else, and even then, it still hit massive declines in its most recent seasons, far more than anything that ATLA had. Again, death of cable and all that.

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user, all that doesn't matter, only kids matter and they want Big City Greens.

And your Mom wants a man who can please her, but we can't all get what we want.

No it doesn’t

>Disney and other corporations need to stop clinging onto cable and pay-to-use streaming services.
So you want them to release their programming for free?

Owl House and Amphibia are garbage aimed at womanchildren and not actual kids.

Not true at all retard.

>It’s most recent episodes don’t even break .15mil, which is super fucking pathetic
>Paying attention to cable
Oh no... TTG is doing poorly with boomers... I'm sure WB is devastated...

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>TOH and Amphibia have tried to breach that middle ground, but are held back by Disney refusing to let hem slide closer to that teen-young adult audience. If they did allow that, along with market them better on alternative platforms, they would see massive increases in viewership.
You're forgetting one important aspect that an user brought up; competition. Amphibia and Owl House are competing for anime for the attention of teens and young adults. It becomes a question of why this demographic would choose Shonen Jump or an isekai anime over these two Disney shows.

They are aimed at kids retard. Next you’ll say Family Guy isn’t really aimed at adults.

Also, let’s be honest, as 6-8 year olds, we didn’t give a fuck about character development or deeper lore, we just wanted to see our heroes beat up the bad guys and look cool doing it.
It’s when we come back to those shows at 12+ that we all started to even notice that stuff because a lot of the deeper themes were deliberately written in a way. kids wouldn’t pick up on deeper metaphors.
No kid picked up on the PATRIOT act metaphor in the Cadmus arc, it was just “heroes vs evil secret agents” to them.
Even Batman’s “orbiting death ray” speech didn’t register much because kids were just seeing that scene as “Batman is wrong right now.”

tell that to Disney

this again?

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Yes, unironically.
You know what? Okay, point taken, like, shit, what can I say that that? I'll be real, I was not expecting that much, those are fucking nutso numbers.
In that case, my point from the previous posts stand. Market things like Amphibia and TOH to the slightly older demographics. They'd get comparable numbers, I think. Most of the remaining ATLA fandom are YA at this point, and their content is doing similar numbers. Better marketing, again.
Marketing, user, and the license for more creative control. Anime specifically panders to the YA demographic, even though, on the whole, western animation, for the demographics that it attempts to appeal to, is better. Western cartoons shouldn't ape anime's bit, necessarily, we already have way too much anime reference in modern cartoons, but it should attempt to appeal to similar demographics rather than aiming itself at only very young children.

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>we just wanted to see our heroes beat up the bad guys and look cool doing it.
I think this more than anything is why anime seemingly has such a lead compared to comics and cartoons.

That's simple, BCG has general appeal to both boys and girls.
Owl House and Amphibia only really appeal to tween girls and autistic adults.

>Yes, unironically.
Then how would they produce more seasons if no money is made off them?

Yeah, okay, that's fair. I'll be real user kinda took the wind outta my sails on this one.

>even though, on the whole, western animation, for the demographics that it attempts to appeal to, is better.
I assume by that you mean it's better for white women and white gay guys.
Because pretty much everyone else seems to prefer anime.

Why is the idea of TTG having such numbers so shocking to people here? Is the idea of kids liking comedy cartoons that foreign?

No, I mean it is better in terms of the content it produces for western audiences; trying to turn 'anime vs western' into culture war horseshit is fuckign stupid. Anime appeals to western audiences because it fills a niche our animation doesn't. Queer people watch anime more than just about anyone else.

>white women and white gay guys.
in other words, money

>No, I mean it is better in terms of the content it produces for western audiences
It really isn't

>No, I mean it is better in terms of the content it produces for western audiences
Right, white women and white gay guys.
You're making some weird sweeping general statement but I don't think you know many people outside of your gay female bubble.
But Asians make more money than white people.

For some reason, people think that just because grown-ass adults dislike a show, kids must dislike it as well. TTG is far from being the only example of this, just look at Johnny Test.

>Yes, unironically.
Why do retards who have no idea how the industry works think they can fix it?

Because it's a show I would not have personally enjoyed as a kid. It's humor isn't really all that funny. But that's probably the hindsight of being an adult talking; if I was still a dipshit 9-year-old just fumbling my way onto YouTube, who knows what kinda of garbage I'd watch.

It's mainly a Twitter and Yea Forums thing (let's be honest, the cartoon side of Yea Forums is infested with Twitter expats), they're all hilariously out of touch but for some reason still like to make all these insane statements as if they're facts, like saying that no one likes TTG even though the show has, what, 7 seasons?
Even as someone who never liked TTG, I at least understand that the target audience (namely, children) absolutely do enjoy it.

>Marketing, user, and the license for more creative control.
It doesn't how hard you market Owl House, people are going to prefer stuff like Demon Slayer or MHA over an ADHD brown lesbian in a magical school.

>But Asians make more money than white people.
Women as a group are the largest consoomers in the country. The purchase more than men, and have access to more money than men (women work and the ones that dont and are married generally make the spending decisions for their household). White women are the largest group of women. Don't know the stats, but I'd guess Gays are also major conssomers.

>Women as a group are the largest consoomers in the country.
Lol, women consume stuff like makeup and retail products, believe it or not your average woman isn't going out and spending money on Disney+ so they can watch some cartoon aimed at tweens.
It's like saying that video games are all aimed at women because women buy a lot of stuff.

>Spongebob was more popular than ATLA, yeah, but Spongebob is also the most popular cartoon ever made, period.
Zoomer mindset, The Simpsons is waaaay bigger.

>7 Seasons
Got renewed for an 8th season. Plus, it turns 10 next year.

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This explains OP; he thinks that because TOH and Amphibia get talked about more on twitter they MUST be more popular than BCG or Molly McGee.

>But Asians make more money than white people.
Western Asians arent watching anime or cartoons, theyre spending their money on their tuition and violin/piano classes

Because I don't actually know the answer, so a meme answer was all I could give. I'm just diagnosing the problem. Innovation is the key to long-term success, though -- the problem presented still stands, and the solutions being presented currently don't really solve it. How *do* you solve it?
Okay. Fuck off back to Yea Forums I guess.
The fact that you think animation only appeals to white women and gay dudes tells me that you don't talk with very many people that don't go on Yea Forums. Both of those demographics also disproportionately watch anime. Straight dudes also watch western animation -- you're currently in a place filled with straight dudes who watch animation. You're literally standing in a refutation to your argument.

That's the opposite of what Disney did.

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Children's cartoon, jesus christ, learn to read between the lines.

>Okay. Fuck off back to Yea Forums I guess.
Saying modern cartoons suck is not an Yea Forums thing retard.