So the only thing you can charge me is with sawing the barrel of the shotgun used in my trap made perfectly legal by...

How is kidnapping a stretch? He literally drugged people and put them in cells.

they didn't have to get knocked out by my drugs

it was their choice to go there by doing bad things

Indirectly causing somebody's death by putting them in a situation where death is likely is murder. There's not a court in the land who wouldn't prosecute.

>They chose to be victims. QED.
>walks out from court a free man

I never watched these movies.

I can tell that OP is a europoor with no understanding of Castle laws nor laws in general. And probably just looked up the definition of shotgun in a kids dictionary.

didn't this guy kill like 15 cops? Even slitting one of their throats? How is it even up for debate?

remember in saw 2 when he literally fried that SWAT team for no reason

they chose to put their throats in front of the blade
can't prosecute a train conductor if you choose to jump in front of a train

If Jigsaw is so smart, why didn't he put his incurable brain tumor into a deathtrap?

Also snapped ones shins clean in half.

Checked based and same

...

>not a single new accusation against Jiggy ITT
it seems that Yea Forums doesn't understand the concept of double jeopardy.

>he later tortures the jury to death for letting a murderer walk

You fool, that was his most brilliant move: By dying on the third movie, he got away scott free from the unavoidable fate of being put himself through a death trap that would still render the perpetrator innocent

He was playing 4D chess unlike anyone else. He planned to die (during someone’s game) so that he could be found and autopsied, because he also swallowed a tape that initiated SOMEONE ELSE’s game.

So what are the chances of him getting revived somehow in the upcoming movies?

Like smoking?

In Saw 2 the police literally catch Jigsaw in the middle of one of his games (or so he tricks them into thinking) and he gloats about having poisoned one of the cops's son and how he's going to die.

please god no. that would be a ridiculous asspull even by Saw standards considering he died in Saw 3 and got autopsied in 4

that was a hologram

yeah. who smokes nowadays

He also poisoned an innocent hospital worker and withheld the antidote

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Listen, man. No cops... I walk. Deal?

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I don't get why people refer to him as the Jigsaw killer. Isn't that false advertising? I guess Jigsaw choice giver isn't as catchy but still. People always say it's cruel to put people in such situations but he was actually helping them. He even told them what to do specifically. Shouldn't that be rewarded with some kind of peace award or something?

But the kid was locked in a safe with an oxygen mask and he was never in danger! So it’s really the cop’s fault for trying to arrest the guy who was claiming he kidnapped his son and put him in a death game. That’s why the cop deserved to be in a death game.

Osama bin Laden never killed anyone either

I forgot about this. Didnt he like him? The dude was nice to jigsaw the entire time and then he got kidnapped, poisoned, forced to kidnap an innocent family and then he ended up dead on the floor. I remember his rotting corpse appearing in one of the later movies, because nobody ever did anything with the body.

He was called that because all the cops kept finding corpses with jigsaw marks in their skin. It’s a natural assumption considering before they met jigsaw the people were alive.

What he's saying is largely consistent with how the NFA and relevant common law can be fairly interpreted, just not with how the ATF interprets it.

>sawing the barrel of the shotgun
You think you won this time, Jigsaw. But the thing is, we were coming for the pupperino. Yes, the hecking good boy.

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damn, looks like you're free to go...AGAIN
>wait until he's a few steps out of the precinct and pants the old loser
well well, what do we have here? looks like that's one count of public indecency, you're under arrest
>he tries to pull up his pants
don't move...I SAID DON'T MOVE
>taser him until he starts pissing and shitting uncontrollably
My my...resisting an officer AND urinating/defecating in a public place? The jig is up, jiggy...you're going away for a long time

This would 100% get the guy put in a trap, though. Don’t forget that Jigsaw has like 500 allies that were all retconned to be there from the start.

kek

I never got what his quarrel with Zepp, Adam, and Gordon was. Zepp talked back to Gordon and stood up for John, and Adam was just doing his job by investigating Gordon. Gordon misdiagnosed the tumor, but it was Logan's fault for mixing up the results.

>so the only thing you can charge me is nothing
absolute genius

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Its possible he never poisoned Zep and was lying

That's still very unnecessary and fucked up to do to Zepp

Regardless, he manipulated an innocent guy to do some terrible shit and then he ended up dead.

I spent the last few days rewatching all the damn films because of these threads
1 > 2 > 6 > 5 > 3 > Jigsaw >>> 4 > 3D

1 and 2 are the only genuinely good ones, the rest range from entertaining schlock to boring schlock

>I didn't kill them, officer. They stumbled drunk into my razor labyrinth by mistake. I was trying to help them improve their lives.

Good taste

>kidnapping
Kramer never really kidnapped anyone, rather he graciously relocated them as a service to save their lives. If you were were fatally wounded, unconscious, and your only way of surviving was if your friend took you to a nearby hospital, would your friend be kidnapping you? No, he’s saving you. Jiggy is doing the same thing! We are all unconscious of our psychological wounds and Jiggy is merely saving us from our unknowing contempt for the value of life.

It's always cringeworthy when incels pretend to know law.

Hey retards, booby traps are illegal in the USA.

They showed Zep coughing and shit in the flashbacks

>But he never murdered anyone nor conspired to do so.
he murdered that one detective with a knife tho

This "meme" is more cringeworthy and less funny than the die hard is a Christmas movie meme. You guys are like an even less funny leddit

So stopping pretending, retard.

Um what?

What about Amanda?
She was his apprentice and yet she outright killed people. Same with Hoffman.

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She would've passed the test and learned to stop killing if it wasn't for Hoffman, my waifu did nothing wrong

>how do we make Jigsaw different from all the other horror villians?
>Freddie, Jason, and Michael and all others excel at killing people in the most gruesome manner possible
>I got it!
>we'll say Jigsaw DOESN'T kill anyone!
HOW RETARDED LMAO

They don't say that though. Leddit incels say that.

He kidnapped Matthew's kid and locked him in a safe. he wasn't allowed to leave whenever he wanted.
Checkmate, jiggy

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Dr. Gordon literally says it in the first movie.

Jigsaw genuinely believes he never killed anyone, and even Gordon thought that before becoming an apprentice

Gordon mentioned it as a weird technicality in that he never kills people with his own two hands and instead largely relies on traps.
Jigsaw genuinely believed he wasn't killing people but you are not suppose to agree with him.

Kids also aren’t allowed to just leave school whenever they want. Guess we should start locking up teachers.

Usually their parents place them there

Mathews places his son there by his actions.

They aren't kids

>A Mossberg 500 isn't a shotgun
Nice try buddy

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The ATF is a criminal organization

It's a school supply

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Serious question. Could all these Jigsaw memes/plot holes be avoided if they just portrayed him as a complete evil psychopath? I feel like a lot of the jokes stem from the films trying to make him some kind of messiah who is inherently good.

Well the people who actually chose to live through his tests were happy and considered themselves reborn. I have no idea what the fuck you are on about, he literally took mid 2000s equivalent of incels out of their comfort zone and gave their life new meaning.

>John tells people exactly what to do to live
>people don't do it, they die
Why are people so retarded?

Hahahahahahahaahah ok this one got me for some reason

This is why I developed a lifelong drug addiction. No grandpa medicine could put me out like that.

>the films trying to make him some kind of messiah who is inherently good.
honestly I didn't get this feeling from the first and second movies, even though jigsaw himself certainly considered himself as such, although he was a desperate because of his cancer and fed up with society's bullshit, he still blew up an innocent officer's head in the first movie and slit the throat of another, and in the second movie he kills two swat team members and breaks the legs of another at the start, so no I don't think it was necessarily intended for him to be seen as good, but more like chaotic neutral
the following movies though completely dropped the ball, especially when he captures hoffman and starts telling him how he never killed any of his victims unlike him who designed unescapeable traps

I've only seen the first one but a hacksaw could saw through a thick chain. They just didn't try long enough. I would have personally focused my time on that.

the rusty pipes would have been an even easier alternatives, rust really fucks up metal and since that place was a closed off abandoned building I would guess those pipes have had their fair chair of it, rather then trying to saw off hardned steel chains

This, it's what happens to Adam's hacksaw at the start of the film

Based

>villain uses loopholes and leaps in logic to justify their means
whoa what a revolutionary concept

are we supposed to think that Jiggy and his crew are the bad guys?
even Hoffman was someone you could root for
they were all based

>entrapment
oof have fun drowning in literal shit in your trap

kek

i also did that and can't rate anything beyond the first two ones

everything else is a blur of poorly made schlock, I only remember that the most boring was the third one

It's literally a line in the movie. Maybe you should follow your own advice.

>That ending of 3 where Jeff slits Jigsaw's throat... and it dramatically slow-mo's to reveal he was holding another fucking tape recorder under the covers which he plays as he dies
The guy's obsession with dramatic tape recordings is hilarious to me

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dude literally ate a recorder so the forensic team could snatch it up and he could mindfuck the cops

why they would cut open his body when the cause of death is fucking crystal clear is beyond me but it worked

there's your emotions, and there is another thing called a legal process where the accused is innocent until proven guilty

Because that was their game.

>The ending of 4 when Rigg shoots Art Blank because he thought he had a gun but it was actually another tape recorder
>Recorder just falls out of his hand and starts playing without anyone even pressing anything
Pure kino.

he chose not to do it

>Pick up the Legacy Collection blu-ray, partially for the commentaries
>It only includes commentary tracks for the 4th film onwards, not for the first 3 which are the ones I most care about
Literally why?

but that's literally the beauty of it

kek

so we jail the parents?

jesus, how dense are you?

>your son is at a safe place
>*winks at camera*
kino

That's the genius of it, he never ACTUALLY murdered anyone.

why did he disguise himself when no one knew who he was?

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Whatever happened with Daniel? I don't remember seeing him again in the series. He lived. Bet you he'll be in Spiral.

That wasn't a disguise, he was just going through a big Eminem phase

It's not a disguise. It's just what he usually likes to wear when he isn't in his red kidnapping-at-best attire.

redditor here

whats with all the saw threads lately

Spiral is coming out.

Spring guns arent protected under castle doctrine retard

cheers ill let my sub know of this

>if they can convict marilyn manson
Of what, exactly?

Midlife crisis.

>midlife

I think they just couldn't get the actor back, or maybe he just visually aged too much

someone give me a quick run down of the saw timeline

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-jigsaw

saw it once

the thought of jigsaw listening to slim shady made me kek

Former ICJ judge here. Technically, he can be charged with taking people from one location to another one without their explicit will and signature. It is also true that he can be charged with putting people in situations that bear the risk of bodily injury and potentially fatal consequences. However, and this is important in understanding how such people are convicted. Jigsaw's intentions also fall into the equation which means that he a) intends to teach his "victims" a lesson for life and thus make them better persons, b) he gives them explicit instructions how to learn that lesson and c) he acts without malice.

Moreover, on the aspect of kidnapping. Evidence obviously would show that he is too frail to actively kidnap someone, ergo this would be instantly dropped in a serious court.

The chances of him being convicted of murder, let alone kidnapping are extremely low, 0.5% tops.

can this pasta ever be stopped?

3 and 4 actually happen at the same time.

HI MY NAME IS

True

3 and 4 are simultaneous
Also half of Jigsaw take place before 1

Sawing off the barrel of a shotgun, even if the cops asked you to do it, is more than enough reason for the atf to raid your house, kill your wife, child and dog, and taunt you about the fact they did that for days until you give yourself up.

This is complete bullshit. I KNOW one of these movies took place before the first one. The one thing I remember about this franchise is that they use the “Someone was helping him BEFORE THE FIRST MOVIE” twist like 3 times.

>quick rundown
>quick

They literally chose to be drugged and taken away. You can't even charge him with assisted suicide because he actually tried to help them escape the traps they were in.

why did he do it bros?

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ethical fading

too based for this world

I'm literally an Ivy league law graduate and there's no way that Jigsaw could be convicted of anything besides maybe human trafficking or kidnapping. I think anons here are underestimating how hard he could be prosecuted, but even then the worst that could happen to him would be 5 years in a federal prison with maybe a 5 year parole period

He was a based and redpilled siscon.

He had zero character

The comments on saw clips are hilarious. People blaming the victims kek. Like the cop that's trying to solve the case that Jigsaw punishes

But can you PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did that in a court of law? me thinks not.

I've genuinely never seen any of the saw films, are they worth watching or just for memes

will it be kino?

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i watched them because of the constant threads and i really enjoyed them
they might not be very good movies but i had fun

The woman who cut off her arm didn't think so.

Saw 4 is Hoffman trying to kill anyone who could possibly implicate him as a Jigsaw apprentice or copycat killer

This.
Amanda was an interesting apprentice because she was so fucked up and had legit psychological issues stemming from a life-time of abuse. It made sense that she'd be drawn to this charismatic pseudo-philosophical murderer and start warping his ideas.
Hoffman kinda killed people just because

The first 2 at least are genuinely worth watching, it's up to you if you want to keep going afterwards

Same. Had an interesting conversation an anaesthesiologist before an operation once. After they gave me the gas he asked me to countdown from ten. I did that and asked "what next?" He said "I don't know. No one's got past 7 before. I was also lucid during my operation and had a discussion with the surgeon.

Being a gayboy

shit is that now a crime?

based

You could charge him with kidnapping but it would be a LEGAL N I G H T M A R E

kek

Yea, and you know the punishment.

>save people's lives and cure them of their vices and addictions
>be punished for it
ugh so american

This is exactly why jigsaw was such a based genius, he's literally a legal genius as well, he can't be caught even if he is actually caught. He's literal a legal murderer. Totally based and geniuspilled. 2000 iq

>gets murdered
>still manages to save lives from the afterlife
Was John Kramer a reincarnated Jesus Christ? I think he may have been.

There's is not a chance in hell John doesn't get multiple life sentences for his crimes, even if he ratted out every one of his apprentices (who themselves would likely be serving life) and they've done a good job of establishing that John is an intelligent, sane individual (as sane as a serial killer can be anyway) so he doesn't even have that. His philosophy means absolutely nothing in the court of law. With the amount of cops dead because of him, the dozens of kidnappings (including children), poisonings, torturings, etc., he'd never get away with the "well I didn't actually kill them defense." Even Eric in II told John "putting a gun to someone's head and forcing them to pull the trigger is still murder."

A Saw movie staring Chris Rock? It'll be the most entertaining movie of 2020 guaranteed, no clue about quality though.

Literally this

how many traps are there across all the movies?

>Hello user, for years you have been abusing the body your parents gave you by having unholy sex with men of African heritage on your rectum.
>This has led you to severe damage to your colon and intestines, but no matter how much pain you inflict upon your body and how much you dismiss your life you keep walking the road of degeneracy.
>Now, you'll have to decide wether vain hedonism is more important than your life
>in front of you are the 4 gentlemen who last violated the sanctity of your body.
>I have injected your body with a lethal venom that will produce cerebral paralysis in two minutes.
>The antidote for the poison has been injected into each of these gentlemen' testicles, you'll need at least three doses to neutralize the effects. You have one minute.
>Live or die, the choice is yours.

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but his son was in a safe place though so he's innocent

>hello user
>you don't know me but I know you
>I wanna play a game
>For years you have been wallowing in self pity
>posting on the internet things like "tfw when no friends"
>well today that changes
>there is a poison that's been injected into your brain
>the only way to cure it is with a chemical known as dopamine
>The good thing about it is that your brain makes it all on its own
>In order to win the game, you must go outside and make at least 3 friends
>If you don't, then let's just say that you'll have a lot more to wallow in than just depression
>live or die, make your choice

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Jigsaw made his choice to piss off a violent retard and not move when said retard was charging at him with a buzzsaw

that violent retard was a murderer and should be put in jail

Do people not really know what manslaughter is?

We all do, it's what Jigsaw isn't guilty of

Couldn't you just masturbate and call it a day?

fuck

>you must be thinking right now
>"why don't I just masturbate and cure myself that way"?
>You could try but unfortunately for you I've rigged your testicles to explode if you so much as scratch them
>being a coomer can only get you so far in life
>when you are in trouble only friends can help you escape
>live or die make your choice (again)

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Yes he could

I mean they put Charles Manson behind bars for life and I dont think he ever did any of the dirty deeds himself. he just manipulated others into doing them IIRC. same shit here

He tried to kill someone.

cutting off your own feet isn't a crime r*tard

Nah, he totally assassin creeded that Glover cop. Proof? You ask. Thend twist montage reveal. In it we see it's him in the robe with hands up.

Charles Manson didn't explicitly give his victims a choice to escape retard. Jigsaw did, and is legally invulnerable because of it

But jigsaw had a choice to get the fuck out the way instead of going for another tape recorder

But the cop didn't die so Jigsaw is cleared of all charges

The violent retard was given a choice by Jigsaw to forgive him or murder him and he chose murder so there ya go