Childhood is thinking good is good

>Adulthood is thinking good is good.
The Superman for adults is anything but good.

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What are you talking about?

He’s a pretty good guy I think

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That's not from an mature/adult comic user...

18+ and Maturity are not the same thing, user.

Take a look at any The Boy's cover. On the backside it will say "Rated M for Mature," these books are intended for mature audiences.

The books you reference are for a younger audience.

The M label is to limit it to specific people over a certain age. Are you sincerely claiming there's no man-children in the world and bitches who never stopped being teenagers in aging bodies?

If you enjoy books intended for kids then you're either a kid or a man-child.

Most adults enjoy The Boys, even the TV show was a huge hit.

The TV show was a huge hit because it cut out a lot of the bile fascination parts of the original story, and the vast majority of mature adults I've spoken to agree that the original Boys is just one man really, really fucking hating the genre he's writing for. Soldier Boy literally is pissing himself on the cover of one of the original comic books.

lmfao
>capeshit... but le swearing and violence
>christians are... le bad!!
it’s for teenagers bro

>Most adults enjoy The Boys, even the TV show was a huge hit
Not the same argument, you were saying the M label means only adults consume it, which is 1) not even true, 2) implies all adults are mature, which obviously isn't the case

The lengths man-children will go to just to defend their tastes...

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>no you don’t understand this capeshit is actually really mature and dark because people die in wacky violent ways aha that makes it for adults

Okay bud, you have a nice day. Let us know when you get off school.

When I was a kid I wished Superman was my dad. Is that bad?

>Strong
>Empathetic
>Capable of actually solving problems
>Has an unreasonable amount of money
>Every woman he's paired with is either a hero or at least remarkable
>You'd inherit Kryptonian powers
Nah, nothing wrong with wishing your family was cool. I'd sure as hell have preferred him over my actual parents.

You're not alone, all Superman fans grew up with abusive father figures. That's why they had to look to comics for escapism.

so true

>Has an unreasonable amount of money
Huh?

Not necessarily abusive, but I'd say many are distant or neglectful. Which, admittedly, is its own sort of abuse, but I feel like the distinction has to be made. Imagining your father is saving the day somewhere is preferable to imagining your father just left your family for no good reason.

He's known as The Man Who Has Everything for a reason.

No. Who wouldn't?

Because superman is a good and people are racist because of evil acts committed by minorities, especially if such evil acts are committed on a regular basis to the point that it's a pattern that can't be ignored by any reasonable person.

No, it's the reason so many people were onboard with S&L and Rebirth Superman

Weirdly true. You don’t see the autistic defensiveness that superfags have from other super fandoms. Poor little guys weren’t hugged enough as kids.

>all Superman fans grew up with abusive father figures.
This explains so much...turns out all you man-children are are psychologically damaged.

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So Zen. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is,.

quit samefagging

>adulthood is understanding that, in a complicated world, the best thing is to choose good

So I'm guessing you're volunteering in the soup kitchen, and donating part of your income to charity?

Or are you as they say in France, "un hypocrite."

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Good and evil are not absolutes and there's a lot of grey.

In most moral situations there's obviously good choices and evil choices.

I wish Superman was my dad so bad bros

I will always like Superman.

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Even when there's gray, you can usually determine which side is less evil.

Yes but those things aren't absolutes or black and white. There's tons of gray in the world

I just hate superman

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>In most moral situations there's obviously good choices and evil choices.
And those situations are boring as fuck.

There's a reason Hemingway is known as a literary genius and never will be.

>t. took a philosophy 101 class and wants to show off
It's really not that deep.

Intention does not correlate to actuality. The Boys is hilariously shit and I could only imagine teenagers enjoying any bit of it.

The Boys is far from mature. I literally is written for edgy teens who think they figured out the world. Good is good

>There's a reason Hemingway is known as a literary genius and never will be.
Dumb bait. Dickens had a black/white morality in all of his books and they're just as acclaimed as Hemingway's.

Reminds me of an old copypasta.

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>"NOOO HOW DARE YOU MAKE A STORY MORE DEPTHFUL THAN SOME BLACK AND WHITE PROPAGANDA TALE!"
Fuck off. Did Watchmen teach you people nothing? The narrative of Watchmen blatantly puts forth a sequence of events where everyone and nobody is in the absolute right. It very clearly rips the juvenile superhero mentality, as depicted by Rorschach's rigid black/white dual world view, to shreds because real world is more nuanced. There is a lot of grey and complicated things and even bad people might not be entirely horrible, and the good people might in fact be violent, mentally unhinged people who can only function by putting on a mask and maim people they deem to be "bad" through a very flawed, imperfect and biased ridden moral code. You know, like how Rorschach brutally murders a child killer but has him want to defend and make excuses fir an attempted rapist because his daddy issues make him idolize the Comedian.

Your inherent need to find a definite side onto which plant your flag and stand your ground on due to "likability" shows what a sheep you are.

>Thinking Watchmen is about shades of gray
Bro. It's about losing sight of what good actually is by being too disconnected from the people you're supposed to empathize with. Did YOU read it?

And that morals are complicated and not black and white.

>Good is good
A child’s mindset.

Watchmen was an ironic deconstruction of the superhero genre tard, even the creator admits people understood it incorrectly.
Also, if anything is propaganda, it's grey morality, because it can be used to excuse heinous shit as "necessary evil" and that "the other side is just as dubious as we are". Literally morality for teens

The moral is "don't lose sight of what you're fighting for". That's not a complex moral. It's not even particularly gray.

Objectively, "good is good" only under God. By taking God out of the equation, you create a naive view of objective good

>necessary evil
Compromises and tough decisions have to be made, yes.
>the other side is just as dubious as we are
And this is often the case. Your point?

>Watchmen was an ironic deconstruction of the superhero genre tard
By showing that superheroes mentalities are retarded, childish and have no practical application.

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I actually disagree, given I've heard priests argue that you should act like an empathetic atheist rather than just praying for someone's salvation.
>Don't say "I hope God helps you". Pretend there is no God and say "I will help you."

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my dad is neglectful asf but i always prefer batman than supes.

To be fair here, Robin's a pretty solid ideal for a kid to want to be too, and as far as I'm aware Batman is, in general, a more popular character.

Rather than an assertion of my personal beliefs, that post was meant to establish a premise wherein "good" is something that exists objectively, hence bringing God into the mix. If it's "humans doing their best", as pretty as that message is, they're still material microbes simply getting by at the worst of times and thriving at the best of times. What is "good", really? Sure, we can preserve life, defend life, help grannies cross the street, we can safely conjecture goodness in these seemingly menial but actually meaningful actions, but that only stretches into what we as men can do, nothing platonic or objective about that. In essence, it becomes a matter of "feels good" instead of "is good", as such it's subject to accusations of hypocrisy; war would be considered bad, lest you are a warmonger and benefit yourself and others from war. One would find that bad out of personal imperative and not pertaining to some higher objective good, which is where the disconnect with Superman comes from, and I do wish more comics touched on this issue. Superman preaches "objective" good while practicing "getting by" good.
I apologize if I sound incoherent, I'm an ESL and I woke up 5 minutes ago.

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Objective good doesn't exist.

Farcical notion. I believe in God

>I apologize if I sound incoherent
Nah, you're fine.

This is actually a good point to bring up, because I have an opinion on this exact subject that was thought up by the Stoics back in ancient Greece. Specifically, that there is no objective, all-encompassing 'Good', but that each being should be the best version of what their natural instincts drive them to be. We as humans are social animals, driven by empathy, burdened with higher thought, and also tool users. Therefore, the best objective good according to the Stoics for a human being is to further the call of science and philosophy, to develop technologies, and to raise up our fellow human being.

Do you believe anything is objectively evil?

No. How do you quantify it?