Why is it so difficult to adapt to film

Brace yourself because I heard they'll diversify them.

>corny, outdated,
It's about fucking four people who get superpowers explain to me here what's outdated
>Silver Age DC characters in a Marvel world
Ok you are officially retarded most of what is debuted in fucking Fantastic Four

Rumor has it they might make Reed Black.

>It's about fucking four people who get superpowers explain to me here what's outdated

debuting as a unit, there's no overall cohesion to the powers. Ben Grimm becomes rock guy because of what? Reed becomes invisible - why?

their origin is mid too

>>Silver Age DC characters in a Marvel world
>Ok you are officially retarded most of what is debuted in fucking Fantastic Four

exactly, they are nothing more than a vehicle for other, more popular elements (which have outgrown them)

Johnny Quest pioneered the action cartoon - yet struggles to catch on

Lone Ranger and Green Hornet pioneered the action serial - yet struggle to get modernized

somethings just fall out of sync with the modern day culture

>Reed becomes invisible
Oh my god.

>Ben Grimm becomes rock guy because of what? Reed becomes invisible - why?
Batman dresses up in a gimpsuit because his parents were killed?
Spider-man shoots webs from his wrists - why?
And Reed is mister stretch not invisible gal.

No sexual tension
BORING characters
Wasted fetish powers on the dude.

The Incredibles pretty much have mogged them in every single way

Reeds powers are hard to do visually for some reason. I'm okay with tacky, Xena/Star Trek-esque production value with minor CGI for the 4. That's all I need.
Go battle moleman underground and don't be afraid to be a little goofy.

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>I think they won't racebend anyone but Alicia will be kept black
Rock'd.

Black woman going to get her womb smashed by a Jewish rock golem, Marvel Entertainment is covering all of the bases.

I watched the '90's cartoon, and honestly I loved it. Though I'm also not a big F4 fan so maybe it's not a great 'adaptation' but it certainly made me appreciate the characters.

The f4 are boring as fuck. You only pretend to care because muh tradition. Don’t kid yourself. The only interesting thing is doom and the maker. Hopefully they have reed doing some shit that fucks everybody over in the mcu like Tony.

>Reed becomes invisible - why
Ok so you don't even know what you're talking about, glad to ignore you
>No sexual tension
>BORING characters
So you're just a retard

>The f4 are boring as fuck
And you clearly don't know shit about them

It's not. They were already adapted perfectly twice.

If they lean in on retro futurism and make it like a live action version of the Venture Brother i think that would work.

Nope. Right from the first issue, the FF had marked personalties, fought with each other and tried to form a team.

Those issues are available online if you haven't read them.

too wholsome for satanic hollywood pedos to understand

Your opinion is only your opinion. Don't think you can say why other people like or don't like something, You don't know how anyone else thinks.

This. I struggle to think of a lamer group of heroes than these 4.

You haven't actually read any Silver Age comics, have you?

This was not the way the polite, unemotional DC heroes of 1961 spoke or acted,

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>I struggle to think

They’re just too bland.

See a little bit of a difference? Read some comics.

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DC's movie heroes are empty holes on the screen emotionally,. The FF would be an improvement.

It isn't.
It was already adapted perfectly.
It was called the Incredibles

ironically, doing a Fantastic Four movie right would seem like ripping off the Incredibles. It's like a cover band keeping the originals from performing,

They don't easily fit into the big grand epic blockbuster event format that superhero movies demand. The only story they have that's erally like that is the coming of Galactus, and you need to have established them already before getting into that. Likewise, even though an episodic format would suit them well they're too high budget for a TV show. They exist in a delicate balance between high profile events and low key stories, which doesn't translate very well to multi-million dollar filmmaking
I think the biggest problem though is just that the general audience thinks that the FF is just kinda dumb. They're not particularly edgy, their powers are seen as goofy (particularly Mr Fantastic's, who just looks weird in live-action), and ditto for the majority of their villains outside of Doom, Namor, and Galactus. Going gritty won't help them either, as Fant4stic shows. And speaking of, the bad track record of their past films doesn't help their public perception either.

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>personalities of stale bread
>endless melodrama
Riveting.

Did you respond to the wrong post?

>They have the personalities of stale bread... BECAUSE I SAY SO, OKAY?!

Cope

Obvious troll is obvious.

I think so. I meant to reply to the comment you were replying to.

please not jim for the office or a black guy as reed

I enjoy Silver Age but the wank for it is kinda annoying sometimes. People praise Lee for writing the FF as bickering with each other half the time, but it wasn't always good. In reality, when you read the same tired formulatic back-and-forth for dozens of issues, it stops being fun at some point.
>oh wow. Johnny is gonna nag Ben now. Ben is gonna reply with a vague threat and start fighting him. Sue is gonna demand they stop fighting. Reed is gonna break them apart and act all stern and fatherly. I definitely haven't seen this exact exchange a dozen times before.

Also >words words words

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>super smart scientist
>meathead
>hothead
>woman
Wow, with they’re almost Shakespearean.

There's the generation divide. Silver Age comics were dense, told stories quickly and expected to read to fill in what happened between panels.

Modern comics move very slowly, have little information per page and use repeated face reactions to tell the story.

No right or wrong, it's just preference.

More like Greek tragedy, if you've covered that yet.

Unironically kinda hoping they do a maker arc with MCU Reed, they've never done something like that before.

Yeah, it's not all very good.
A lot of it is charm.
There have always been comics that know how to balance it all.
You know, the good ones.

And each of us has a different view on what that proper balance is. I think Hal Foster's PRINCE VALIANT is at the top of any list of great strips and it's wordy. Same for Harvey Kurtzman's EC anti-war comics. It's all personal preference.

>debuting as a unit, there's no overall cohesion to the powers.

Are you an idiot?

Earth: The Thing
Water: Mr Fantastic
Air: Invisible Woman
Fire: The Human Torch

Because the FF are more suited to being an adventure film than a traditional super hero movie and Hollywood doesn’t care about adventure films anymore

Like a lot of things, it's hurt by binge reading/watching. These were comics you'd read once a month, not try and go through a years worth of stories in an hour.

>Because the FF are more suited to being an adventure film than a traditional super hero movie and Hollywood doesn’t care about adventure films anymore

I feel that the first Fantastic Four villian should be a space baced one like Annihilus. Keep the origin of the rocket ship or ultimate transport and connect the villian to that. Thebig problem the FF films have is they always want to bite the cherry too hard.

Very good point. Modern comics are more aimed at being read in a complete arc. Old TV shows that were written to watched with each episode a week apart are not like today's series which are designed for binge watching (and for the viewer being able to go back and watch parts again at will.)

Agreed. Give Dr Doom a miss for once. Play up the angle of exploring the unknown, we haven't seen enough of that recent movies.

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>Those four "elements" are called elements only in the most classical, non-scientifical way possible. Isn't FF supposed to be about superscience? I mean, I know not everything's scientifically accurate, but Earth, Fire, Air and Water is just some early fuck-up on the classical philosopher's part that keeps coming up somehow. I don't even mind much if it's in a comic about magic, or druidic rituals, but keep it out of my !!!science!!! comics. Although to be fair, it's not THAT much of a fuck up, since they do match up to the states of matter; Earth=Solid, Air=Gas, Water=Liquid, Fire=Plasma.

I think Disney knows they shouldn't blow their load with Doom. The 2005 film and Fant4stic both had him as the main villain, and both films also adapted him pretty damn poorly. If they play their cards right, they can build up to him and do him properly
Personally, I think Mole Man might be a fun first villain. He'd harken back to the first issue but you could also throw in some big monsters, his moloids, etc. You could even try get Danny DeVito for him

That quote misses the point by several miles. It's not that the four traditional elements were discarded that's important... it's that they have symbolic resonance. We know the Sun doesn't rise, the Earth rotates, but saying "sunrise" isn't wrong.

I could be way off on this, but I'd like to see future movies skip over Doom, Luthor, the Joker and Loki. Other villains would seem fresher to audiences.

Mole Man and his underground kingdom offer some great potential. If it could be arranged, a well choreographed Thing vs Hulk slugfest always works.

I'm going to read me some Prince Valiant and hope it's better than FF.
I like old comics, but there should always be some kind of balance. If there are a lot of words, they better be good ones.

I've been reading the Lee-Kirby stuff recently and the second fight between the Thing and the Hulk is amazing. If they could adapt that somehow, where they just brawl all over New York as the others try their best to help, it'd be cool
Unfortunately though with how the MCU has completely neutered Hulk I don't think we'll ever get anything like this any time soon

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Absolutely. Those fights worked dramatically because the Hulk was a genuine menace and because the Thing wasn't as strong but had to think quick and use strategy.

Becuae every film wastes time with origin stories, they work better as a established group that solves problems if you handwave the OG incident and just put them into action they are great

It's all personal taste, there's no right or wrong. Will Eisner had some very moody and atmospheric captions but he also knew when to build up to a silent panel.

Relying on the art deliberately and not using text to good advantage can result in the glacial pacing we see too often.

its not too wordy imo, lots of visual first panels

So true, Recap the origin in the opening credits, I think audiences would be fine with that.

You mean PRINCE VALIANT? Foster had pacing to a science. But I expect younger fans growing up with recent comics would find too much exposition in it to suit them,

I've read the first half of the Lee/Kirby run so far and FF#25 is probably my favorite so far with how well it crafts dramatic tension, makes every member of the team feel important and has a lot of off-the-wall action. Even The Coming of Galactus doesn't rank quite as high with me.

foster spent about 50 hours a week on his strips iirc, doing that for a few decades leads to mastery. i think the wordiness/exposition comes from being in the transitory stage between the "illustrated story" to comic format over time