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This desu. I only assume materialism is true for the political program of Marxism - but I would be very skeptical of implementing any kind of scientific community as ideologically driven as Stalin's were.

Most of Yea Forums is some kind of leftist, I think. They're just hard to spot because they fucking hate idpol so they blend in with the accelerationists/fascists who are pretty loud. There's the occasional anti-Semite and the textbook racist but other than that milquetoast lefties

commies are butthurt genetic refuse who have been made irrelevant by the new and improved version of buthurt genetic refuse such as minorities and trannies

Those are photos from the famines suffered after the civil war and WWI. It has nothing to do with Lenin's or Bolshevik policies.

I'm not a tranny

Yeah, you’re probably right.

Why are you a M-L?

>comes from a bourgeoisie home
>founds a capitalist dictatorship
>fails to allow the people’s revolution continue for chicken-shitness
>empire crumbles in under a hundred years

A lot of good came of the revolution INSPITE of Lenin’s gang

Nothing whatsoever, I'm sure you studied this with great care. Just like the people in the nazi concentration camps died from typhoid. Confiscating the farmer's food surely couldn't contribute to a famine. My family is from there you know? You can tell your lies to other people.

It’s less about what Lenin and Stalin individually accomplished specifically with the USSR and more about the foundation they laid. That’s what being a Marxist Leninist is about: seeing that they failed in the first effort (mainly because of Stalin’s unique psychopathy) but believing the philosophy can still be applied, by people who aren’t Stalins and who have learned from the previous iteration’s successes and failures.

>all of that shit might have been a useful expedient, sure. you certainly have to be intelligent to do all of the things that you listed. but killing the royal family, installing a half baked economic system, letting the jews subvert and take over your new government, and forcing swaths of your country's population to suffer and starve to death is not what an actual genius would do. in fact we can consider him to be a fucking moron

At least they had the boldness to try an experiment in economics. Its natural that those will fail who've never tried before. I regard the soviet economy as perhaps the first time in history consciousness actually planned its society, as opposed to just letting it evolve subject to the play of power. Besides i don't think it was that bad. Sure they had famines early, but Russia always had and they stopped them and made the Union a superpower.

The subversion thing. I don't appreciate the conspiratorialism. Stalin tried. Mao sublimated their mistakes imo. We have to learn lessons. I mean if we want to regard ourselves as materialist who care.

Swarths of people starving and dying. Compare pre-Great war russia and the Union entering ww2.

0/10

This Yea Forums is basically the most left wing board on this site.

I don't believe in basing your entire worldview. I just meant politically at least.

Imagine being an Anarchist

They confiscated church property to pay for famine relief

Because I'm not a genocidal lunatic.

Well, better luck next time. But I recommend a sharp break with the past. #1 reason to not be a M-List

Read Stirner? If so, how come you didn’t get it?
You started with Plato and skipped Epicurus or something?

hahaha, dead people :D

Class-based genocide isn't genocide when the proletariat does it. Peasants and bourgeoisie aren't people, king.

>Well, better luck next time. But I recommend a sharp break with the past. #1 reason to not be a M-List
Cool, disregarded

Trots be gone

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Lmao what a bootlicker pussy

commies arent people either, just envious failures

*ruins your country*

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>GDP

I’m not a Trot, I prefer Stalin, at the end of the day might is right and I prefer whoever actually takes power. But there’s no denying that Stalin fucked it all up. I’m a Leninist, fuck both Stalin and Trotsky.

No that's /gif/

I'm not hearing any good arguments you petite-bourgeois aesthetes.

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>we only accept payments in goats comrade

but dey were ekwul!

So they wrecked the economy with their ridiculous theories, confiscated the peasant produce and then used the resulting catastropic famine to liquidate a political competitor. Such wonderful people. Personal history is that they outright executed my grandfather's family. They were poor farmers but they had a cow too many and the wrong religion. You guys are such disgusting retards, not a bit better than the holocaust deniers and there's no reason to talk to you.

>arguing with sacks of manure larping as humans

>so hated he has to hide in Switzerland
>"people's revolution" actually German-sponsored subterfuge
>absurd speech at train station in Finland a cause for ridicule
>completely destroys his own country trying to rid it of private capital
>destroys the only meaningful expression of democracy Russia has ever had
>millions dead
>millions more flee overseas
>has to simulate capitalism via the NEP to stop everyone starving to death
>dies being a workaholic trying to fix his own fuckups

woah..... so this is the power of Marxism-Leninism.........

Because Mao was wrong.

They literally industrialised Russia through the NEP and FYPs, the economy after that didn't get to expand too much because there was a bureaucracy that stifled worker's democracy and hyper-productivity. But I'm not so silly I'd think that the communist bloc would 'out-do' the west, I'm still a Leninist in the sense I'd invade more countries and set up Soviet Republics where tactically necessary. I.e., Poland, Germany, etc.
>no reason to talk to you
Yet you are!

Ever heard of the concept of the greater good?
Nobody gives a fuck what happened in your individual case, the task is tearing down capitalism and restoring society to the People, but yeah your nobody fucking ancestors died under a psychopath who appropriated the cause nearly a century ago so nevermind lmao

Stalin only fucked it all up by letting bourgeois elements penetrate the party to pervasively; infect it like a sickness. I think he was paranoid but justifiably so. He should have purged harder. What do you think of the idea the Cultural Revolution is the theoretical sublimation of the purges? Like the GPCR is the answer to the bourgeois- bureaucratic degeneration of the party.

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Lenin is daddy

>i-it's gonna work this time i swear!!

I wish these conspiratorialists would fuck off.

ur not a person you ugly tranny

You may be the only person in this thread who knows what a M-L is.

That’s about the level of response I expected.

expect to die after accomplishing nothing in ur life lol

Elaborate please both of you.

whethere it'll work or not is ontologically unknowable. there are only coward cucks and revolutionary bulls who will shape history.

An M-L is taking the centrist path when your party is fractured between Bukharin and Trotsky... Stalin was such an idiot he had to take the worst parts of two worlds - Trotsky's hyperindustrial policy led by a bureaucracy; and Bukharin's socialism in one country nationalism.

lmfao stop, that’s the second post that you’ve projected so hard that I’m vicariously embarassed

youll only shape the rolls on ur belly

based and eloquentpilled

ur probably embarrased a lot

>calls the Russian Empire a "Prison of Nations"
>creates an actual Prison of Nations

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lots of talk in this thread for someone who will absolutely refuse to post a pic. but naturally.

just like girls absolutely refuse to fuck u lol

let me know when you post a pic big guy

let me know when the revolution happens

Lmfao this dude is absolutely raging, too bad based Stalin wasn’t more thorough with your retard stock, maybe we’ll catch y’all next time around

i feel like you’ll know... genius. stop posting until there’s a pic with it. don’t be scared, you have a lot to be confident about.

maybe ull catch some pussy for once

'boldness' and 'experimentation' can be difficult to justify in the face of extreme corruption, and radicalness to the point of self destruction. the road to hell is paved with good intentions, yadda yadda

socialism as a general rule isn't lindy. there might be aspects of socialism that can slowly be phased into a society and deemed as useful, but it takes time to find that out, which will give you enough sense to determine what works and what doesn't work on a small scale. those so called power structures that you claim are the result of random play aren't keeping society down in the grand scheme of things. if a man becomes rich by plantation farming or by shorting the stock market, it is of little relevance to how good the actual economy. nobody fucking remembers the richest person of rome 2000 years ago, calling that person the most powerful in a long term sense is a fucking mistake. planning the entire economy is only useful to the point of your ability to count. you materialists always seem to forget that your position of planning the entire economy rests squarely on the ability to count the entire economy. so when you have people making decisions on fake data, and your new political nobility actually buying shit in secret from the capitalists that you despise, it doesn't really look good

as for the deaths are concerned, comparing a civil war/change of government to THE LARGEST WAR EVER THAT INVOLVED NEARLY ALL OF HUMANITY actual war is hilarious. i won't bother with that one

lmao I can smell you from here, put your katana away your computer is an inanimate fucking object

ill stop posting once the comrades rise up

He didn't change history--more like Germany used him as a weapon to destroy Russia, which he successfully did. Any M-L beliefs from college go right out the window when you have to deal with people in the real world. That is why the only people who are M-L are dumb 19 year old college students or parasitic college professors who love attention from dumb-shit teenagers and are envious of the guy who makes more money by not going to college and running a car wash.

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>an inanimate fucking object
the only thing ur dicks ever been in lol

So over here theres an user whose talking about how his unrequited love for this girl is what keeps him going and shit.

What do we think about a similar way of thinking but looking towards the future (communism) in this way? I recall an idea from an upanishad an user posted awhile ago. The idea is your work is your gift, you aren't entitled to the results of your work etc. I feel like my thoughts about ML are moving in the same direction- i regard this as a kind of idealism (romanticism) that hides under the cloak of communist materialism. So just working towards communism without ever really even caring if it comes about, just for the nobility of the aim.

Look at it this way. Imagine the world if we apply the categorical imperative to negative utilitarianism. Always act so as to reduce unnecessary suffering. Isn't this a worthy duty to give oneself.

>*march from Beethoven's ninth fades up

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(still no pic from the absolute madchad) really makes me think

Only a dumb nigger would think this way. I act to increase unnecessary suffering, suffering of niggers that is

That thing is unironically not worth the (you)’s, just stop. You’re validating its existence.

>really makes me think
u should stretch bfor using new muscles

Marx's monument in London should be defaced every single week.

Oh your a psued. Nevermind.

i always do that, good call

Conspiratorialists fucking give me evidence of STFU!

Ebic boomer take, go back to your Tom Clancy, crusty brainlet

lol, pseud. i know you're probably too tired to give me a real reply with everyone shitting on you, but keep your head up

Just dive into secret KGB archives, you have access to them right, Ivan?

Marxism-Leninism refers to Mao’s critique of Stalinism in a very narrow sense. Only Maoists are M-Ls. Stalin and his successors in the Soviet Union had “Bolshevik” locked down. Only trots and post trots refer to themselves as “Leninist.”

Basically it is really obvious that most posters in this thread are larping. Partiinost doesn’t develop overnight, but knowing that Leninists don’t refer to themselves as M-Ls unless they’re Maoist is pretty level 1 if you’re active around the sects.

Or maybe Marxist Leninists are just Marxist Leninists. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Stop trying to complicate things to feel like an esotericist and “above it all”.
And no, not only trots refer to themselves as “Leninist”, since, believe it or not, Lenin was his own man.