>dude capitalism so bad and alienating man, like look how this encyclopedic analysis of trivial media bullshit pumped out by Hollywood et al validates my thesis >oh no, I spent all my life neurotically analyzing mundane bullshit as a result of my fixation and in the process real life slipped away from me and now I'm an old man feeling death approaching with nothing left to show for it but a couple of lame books and lots of memories watching netflix; I've been alienated! might as well kill myself now
how is the existence of Mark Fisher not considered to be a massive self-own?
i know this is bait, but you havn't said he was wrong about anything.
Colton Watson
Suicide is exit. If you're still here you're the one owning himself.
Caleb Wood
lmao pretty much nailed it
at least he had the self-awareness to kill himself, unlike someone like zizek who enjoys the ivory tower "HEHE ISNT IT IRONIC THAT I'M USING MARXISM TO ANALYZE HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTERS" LARPshit so much that he'll do it until his natural death
Bentley Davis
that possibility that he wasn't wrong about anything isn't mutually exclusive with what I wrote
daily reminder that anti-capitalists are racists and support the continual disenfranchisement of the global poor
Tyler Gonzalez
>wow this dude is such a joke >makes second thread about him
Ethan Green
other way around
Eli Parker
number of poor people socialism has brought out of poverty - 0
number of poor people capitalism has brought out of poverty - ~2.5 billion
John Torres
killing yourself in your 40s is the mishima special
Liam Ward
This seems to be the new Left wing meme
Jackson Reyes
lol Say that to the Soviet Union after it threw the old czarist Russia to the ground
Brandon Ortiz
Literally all of the rest of Eastern Europe became far richer and more developed than the USSR after WW1 until they took over them and turned them to shit. Bulgaria and Hungary had FAR more comparable average incomes to Western Europe despite having no real advantage than the Soviet States other than the superior societal model
Josiah Wilson
goalpostmoving
Jayden Hall
number of people kept in poverty in capitalism: ~ 3billion
people kept in poverty in socialism: 0
Dominic Richardson
This is unironically what I believe.
Hunter Howard
>russian empire >abolishes serfdom >bolsheviks >bring it back as kolkhozes based
Nathan Ward
There will literally never be more white liberals or white leftists than there are RIGHT NOW. You are standing simultaneously at peak leftism, and peak neoliberalism.
The only demographic of white people anywhere in the world that is growing is right wing men. The entirety of modern academia and philosophy is a concerted effort by desperate, sniveling childkillers to recover from that. They have put all of their effort, all of their energy, all of their cringing wiles, all of their subtlety and innuendo into one last ditch effort to convert a bunch of brown people who aren't intelligent enough to mow a garden without oversight to orthodox marxism.
The absolute state of the white liberal. The absolute fucking state. The most delicious part of it is that it literally verifies what I've been saying for decades. Left wing people are genetically inferior, and their women know it. They certainly act like it by killing the children of left wing men in the womb. On some level, the good little leftist KNOWS that he doesn't deserve to exist, so he's been doing a hail mary in the hopes that the nigger who fucks his wife is somehow going to magically evolve class consciousness and fight for his ideas.
>Its not. It is. >Its a fact no state has ever done better for the poor taking them from Capitalism to Socialism Still goalpostmoving.
Jack Bennett
The media is a reflection of society
Isaac Price
>GDP means anything
shoo shoo bugperson
Wyatt Kelly
>accidentally starve millions of my people to death >"Hey, at least you have something to eat!" The Soviet Union was literally a project of Jewish genocide aimed at gentiles. I don't even have to explain it, the numbers explain it.
Denying this is like denying the Holocaust, except it doesn't get you fired. Noam Chomsky, that sniveling faggot, denied it right up until they were digging the bones of kulaks out of the dirt in fields and throwing them at Soviet officials in the fucking street, asking why their parents had to starve to death when the USSR was exporting food.
Oh but because you are left wing, you cannot be pro-genocide even though you objectively committed it. Well, these days in Ukraine, we give leftists a taste of their own medicine. Anyone who expresses any pro-faggot, anti-Ukranian and other Jewish communist opinion is beaten to death with electrical cables. Look it up, some of them have been filmed! It makes for good watching, listen to some faggot who would make excuses for letting kikes starve our people to death beg for his life as they scrape the flesh from his back with a hose while he is still alive.
Sounds painful, tbqh.
Michael Wood
Yeah because quality of life in the gulags and Beria's rape chambers is a better metric to use
Nathaniel Sanders
>you what is this some hindu crap
Owen Edwards
This is correct, though i don't think Bulgaria is the example. Goulash yes
You can industrialize without central planning. At the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, countries such as Italy and Spain and Greece, who all had similar GDPs per capita to Russia before the revolution, were all richer than the RSFSR. This is in spite of the fact that the RSFSR had enormous natural resource reserves and preferential trading (read: forced) agreements with a number of other states
Communism hampered Russia and the Eastern Bloc's development massively. And insofar as we define poverty (and historic poverty) by some modern standard, you can say that YES, socialism did fail to lift soviet citizens out of relative poverty
Wrong, bitch! They're kept in poverty by not being able to access capitalism due to poor institutions. And often times, such as in the cases of India and Brasil, those institutions were made poor and development was choked by attempts to introduce socialism! What an epic failure
Ayden Miller
Based.
Hunter Jackson
>per capita i know it also has its faults but hey
Ryan Carter
We're talking about poverty of course we're going to use GDP you mouthbreathing illiterate
Liam Myers
based
Jack Myers
>The Soviet Union was literally a project of Jewish genocide aimed at gentiles. I don't even have to explain it, the numbers explain it.
Logan Jackson
>we're talking hurr durrrff durr hurrr
cuckitalists... lol
Aiden Jenkins
>Wrong, bitch! They're kept in poverty by not being able to access capitalism due to poor institutions. And often times, such as in the cases of India and Brasil, those institutions were made poor and development was choked by attempts to introduce socialism! What an epic failure
retard. also, reddit spacing.
Adrian Foster
I'm going to kill myself because of your hurtful comments
Colton Reed
>Russian Empire: the largest exporter of wheat in the world >USSR: has to buy it from the fucking Canada
>comparing average incomes to gage prosperity in communist countries
Uberbrainlet
Jackson Collins
What's the matter faggot, calling a spade a spade is a crime now? Oh right, of course it is, because if you called every Jew a Jew people would start noticing. Call the Jannies, you're a fucking coward who can't argue, and you'd rather just let daddy clean up your mess.
Just remember. You aren't going to have jannies forever. Sooner or later you're going to have to discuss reality, and crying to Hiromoot isn't going to protect you.
>Sooner or later you're going to have to discuss reality spooky
James Gomez
Fuck off, Communism sucks but you're a fag
Stalin purged the USSR of all Jewish elements
Mensheviks were primarily Jewish, Bolsheviks were primarily Russian
Christopher Williams
"muh prosperity" literally means nothing more rich people exist, wow! amazing! fantastic!
Henry Hernandez
>dude capitalism so bad it good man, like look how this encyclopedic analysis of trivial media bullshit pumped out by Hollywood et al validates my thesis >oh no, I spent all my life neurotically analyzing mundane bullshit as a result of my fixation and in the process real life slipped away from me and now I'm an old man feeling death approaching with nothing left to show for it but a couple of lame books and lots of memories boomerposting on twatter; I've been alienated! might as well kill myself now
You can go by median income or any other way you want, it won't make the conclusion any different
Dylan Wright
How is it that OP idolizes that twisted world puke and the owner of Pappa Johns, but can’t see Mark Fisher for what he was. Cope, OP. Cope
Samuel Bell
Because Based Pappa John and Elliot were bringing justice and truth to the world while Fisher died trying to uphold a lie
Gabriel Torres
Imagine inflicting excruciating pain to your child of 11 and wife because of ideology and delusions. I haven't read this man's books but he's undoubtedly a coward.
Ian Morgan
Have sex
Jace Butler
based as fuck
Eli Torres
0/10
Hudson Myers
zizek is just here to have fun and talk about german toilets, he's too jovial to get his panties in a wad like fisher
Isaac Sanders
?
Brayden Davis
literally irrefutable
Colton Garcia
>they can't be hungry if they're dead!
Austin James
>crying to Hiromoot isn't going to protect you Holy shit this user genuinely thinks he's fighting some anti-Jew jihad on fucking Yea Forums
>Imagine inflicting excruciating pain to your child of 11 and wife because of ideology and delusions. Is there a source on this? I'm reading Capitalist Realism right now
Ian Cook
fug why are right wing slavs so based
Brandon Davis
The things I write lately make me disgusted with myself. I'll leave the site for a couple of weeks. I need some introspection
Caleb Hill
One hung himself quietly in embarrassment, the other two revolted against the modern world. See it as you will dykehole
Blake Morris
I'll delete it but if you wouldn't mind explaining a little to [email protected] id appreciate it
Jack Harris
He was saying Fisher was a maximum faggot for leaving a kid fatherless because muh Capitalism. This is why I'm a white racist
>Leftism and Marxism >Neoliberlaism the absolute state of the right today
Camden Jenkins
Czarist Russia was a Great Power that was slowly, but steadily, on its path to further industrialization. Backwards compared to the rest of Europe, yes, but hardly as backwards as people claim it was.
The USSR made a manner of gains in industrialization, certainly. But only really smoozing westerner capitalists, suckling their technologies, and butchering peasants into a system that ultimately failed them.
Without the USSR, Russia would be economically akin to Germany. More corrupt, perhaps, but as much, if not more developed than it is in the present and was on the course of the 20th Century.
Adam James
You egghead, what about the genocide of millions upon millions of native Americans? Of Africans? Of anywhere capitalist Europeans set foot? Of Europeans wars in themselves? You're a fucking lunatic.
James Walker
It's weird how Boomers always talk about how depressing the 90s with a lot of angsty feelings that spawned genres like black metal, shoegaze, slowcore, radiohead. Millennial will claim the 90s were a paradise and that 9/11 is when history ended. Zoomers claim it was 2007 with the birth of facebook and the commercialization of the internet
Smallpox isn't genocide, dipshit. Was the plague a foul product of Mongol trade practices because it came through the silk road?
>Africans
A couple thousand Namibians and an overly inflated number of Congolese does not a terrible crime of capitalism make. Or a genocide akin to that which befell the Ukrainians or Chinese.
And while trade practices did indeed worsen it, making slavery some grand crime of capitalism would be wrong. Considering the fact that it was an institution present since dawn of civilization...
>Da Raciss Europeans an their ebil capitalism
I remember reading an apologetic piece on Chairman Mao. The author, some oddball SDS reject living as an expat in SEA, went on and on about how Mao had ostensibly uplifted 'more people than anyone else' in the history of mankind. Because of clinics and shit. Given to them by communism.
Why couldn't capitalism have given as much, if not more to man, if one digs deeper? How many Polynesians and Africans, Indians and Arabs, are alive at present because of advances brought, to greater or lesser degrees, by the wealth given by capitalism and trade it has helped to facilitate?
Henry Smith
They were mercantilists, not capitalists
Austin Sanchez
smallpox blankets were given out by the british you dingo americans killed the rest of them with guns
Brayden Cruz
If you're implying that nothing's really changing, that's not only right but also corroborates Fisher's point. We've been in a perpetual state of the postmodern condition for decades now, with no end in sight. Boomers and Zoomers and whatevoomers will always reference their own periods because that's their immediate life experience, but the common thread is visible in all of them; it's not that they're all wrong but rather than they're all correct. Also
> Millennial will claim the 90s were a paradise
Is hardly true. Generation conflicts are not equal to observing the historical trends of capital society, e.g, we can safely claim that debt and wealth disparity was lower, as well as income inequality and its ratio to productivity, and even Gini coefficients that seemed pretty reliable measures of societal tipping points until the 70's. A generation conflict would indeed be saying that the 90's were a paradise, but both kinds of claim are very much able to coexist on the same discourse; even though many measures of economical inequality and well being were objectively "better", we can still acknowledge that culture was already at its dead end and society was already spiraling down back then. Most people who read anything at all today don't really go by the Fukuyama bullshit of an end to history during our lifetime.
Luke Price
And scalping and raping. God I wish I was there
Ryder Hall
Zoomers are too young to know what the fuck the internet was like before Facebook
Jaxon Nguyen
>W-W-W-WHAT ABOUT THIS THING THAT LITERALLY DIDN'T INVOLVE YOU, WHAT ABOUT STUFF THAT JEWS DID HUU HUU HUUU W-WHY DON'T YOU LET US MURDER YOU
lol. So this is what the good little leftist looks like when he realizes that he is fighting a man, not starving children to death. You aren't so tough when you're not in power. Do you know what you have to do to survive the camps in the Ukraine right now, if they look at your voting records and find that you voted for the Left?
A finger. That is the price. You have to cut it off yourself. Are you brave enough to do that? I don't think so. Mostly, we kill you. And there is no such thing as a servant of Jewish power who doesn't deserve to die, and no such thing as a leftist who is not a servant of Jewish power. You people don't have the mettle to fight back. You cried to your allies, and they laughed at you and abandoned you. We won effortlessly. The only kind of men are right wing men. The Americans aren't coming to save you. There is no Soviet Union anymore. Nobody is going to help you.
You will submit or you will die. First here, but this will happen elsewhere. All revolutions start in Ukraine. After us, it will be the Germans. The Swedes. The Russians, even. Then the Americans. And you will claw at the Earth, begging to be swallowed hole, before it is done.
What the fuck are you talking about you retard? Indians were customarily hunted and killed in South and North America.
Landon Edwards
>ywn do fortnite dance over a burning village of redskins
Justin Stewart
um, sweaty, the USSR was state capitalist, not socialist.
Jackson Peterson
>the genocide you're mad about doesn't count >the genocide I'm mad about is the real problem
Sectarian fuckwits, every one.
Aaron Gray
>genocide of millions upon millions of native Americans? Of Africans based and rpd
Blake Watson
>Muh Smallpox Blankets
One incident in wartime does not make a genocide.
The constant tit-for-tat of frontier warfare was just that, warfare. Brutal as it was, one can't expect conduct befitting modern rules for war between settlers and tribes barely into the Bronze age.
90% of Natives were ultimately killed by disease, rather than by deliberate malevolence by settlers and colonists.
Kayden Russell
I'm 100% not trolling when i say i absolutely agree with OP, except that mark fishers life is a huge self own not because his analysis was of irrelevant things but because it was faulty and above all because he blamed mental illness on society. yes society it necessary for mental illness but it is not sufficient for it, to use a lame analytic turn of phrase, and society can in the right conditions resolve mental illness. Most importantly, mental illness DOES NOT constitute any form of resistance, and if you say it does, then well... you might as well kill yourself.
Look how that turned out.
Christian Reyes
Ukrainians are based.
Brandon Diaz
If this isn't a copypasta it deserves to be.
Justin Williams
i literally said the opposite you mouthbreather british didn't commit genocide but the americans did
Jaxson Reed
based
Matthew Long
Goddamn. Based.
Michael Ward
Learn to think outside of identity based groups
Chase Cox
Wrong. Socialism has saved my country.
t. Bolivian
Isaiah Bennett
He's talking through the lens of Fisher who says that anti-capitalism just prolongs the system by only thinking in terms of capitalism and the best that can be done against it is limiting the negative effects but continuing the overall system that created the problems in the first place
>these days in Ukraine, we give leftists a taste of their own medicine. Anyone who expresses any pro-faggot, anti-Ukranian and other Jewish communist opinion is beaten to death with electrical cables. Look it up, some of them have been filmed! It makes for good watching, listen to some faggot who would make excuses for letting kikes starve our people to death beg for his life as they scrape the flesh from his back with a hose while he is still alive.
I'll grant its at least a lot closer to Socialism than what it could be.
Bentley Jackson
post of the week at least
Juan Gutierrez
my problem with all this about "styles" is that that in itself is a very new idea. the very idea that you can arbitrarily shift between "styles" is post-modern rot.
an aesthetic of something, say a work of art, should inform you of its being. aesthetics aren't just something you cynically adopt in order to appeal to target markets. in medieval times, an icon wouldn't aspire to be stylish for the sake of being stylish - it would be informative. we need to reconnect with this
Oliver Cruz
weak bait
Nolan Edwards
if capitalists want to enfranchise the global poor, why are bretton woods institutions advocating free market policies that benefit already rich countries instead of the protectionism that made those countries rich in the first place?
Gabriel Smith
Once you look into these supposed "tragedies" like holodomor and Stalin's purges, you'll notice that communists had very good reasons for doing them. On the other hand, fascist reasons for their genocides are grounded in very shaky logic and muh feels. You're a liberal faggot if you believe it goes "both ways" when it comes to the historical actions attributed to communism and fascism, the fact is that we are simply better than fascists, our explanations for our """crimes""" are always justifiable while yours aren't.
Bentley Bell
Poor Markie, I liked the guy, although I agree most of his observations were baseless, meaningless and useless.
Henry Cruz
This guy was like a Marxist Rob Ager. I don't mean that as a compliment. Even had his own rambling blogposts analyzing the Shining.
Cooper Harris
I kinda see where you're coming from OP, but that's not something to celebrate. Its really a tragedy. The Death of Fisher is really a monumental event in the history of the European left, it also coincides with the Syriza capitulation.
To me it signaled that its time to abandon the old left and move to different things. Basically abandon all Hegelian thinking about the social, and recover Marx's thoughts on Capital accelerationism but in a different context. Fisher fell into what Land called transcedental miserabilism, and there is no real escape from that. The old left now has to die for us to do different things politically. I also think right wing identity politics are also a dead end and are just the mirror of neoliberalism and left wing identity politics but hearken to 20th century political movements. In essence Fisher, even with his death, is right that nothing new can come out of the capitalist realist framework. So the old has to die, for the new to be born.
Mason Rodriguez
Why was he so obsessed with Wall-E? He realizes that it was just a dumb children's movie, right? Is this what leftist "intellectuals" have been reduced to, analyzing movies made for children?
Wyatt Barnes
>for the new to be born. Which is? You aren't any better than those old leftists if all you do is talk in inane, ambiguous platitudes and abstractions. Offer something concrete for once in your goddamn life.
Jayden Powell
The present order isn't just a Capitalist order, its a very specific brand of capitalism, alternatively called late capitalism, the Cathedral, neoliberal govermentality , or the Atlantic order. All of these coalesce into capitalism realism. Basically a break down of our present societies is needed and major geo-political realignments for new social orders to start. Its not in the context of capitalism vs communism, since that is a western idea now. Basically what I am pointing at is a major reconfiguration of globalization that is more open and allows more voices and cultures to grow and prosper other than the Wests brand of capitalism and its spearhead , Hollywood. A plurivocal globalization basically where no one has all the power.
Jonathan Adams
So a return to autonomous city/village states and localist tribalism? Why not just call yourself an An-prim then instead of being intellectually dishonest? Your utopia is incompatible with modern technological society, of which capitalism is merely the most effective (for now) platform for its current spread.
Charles Collins
No I am not a tribalist nor anti-technology, these are pointless and idealistic endeavors. What I am suggesting is that there doesn't need to be One dominating the others with capital or politically . Which is why I am advocating a plurivocal globalization . Globalization is here to stay , the question is whether it will be a totalizing vision of society, a global-mono culture with one political center, or whether it will be multiple productive forces with different outlooks and political forms. Basically what I am saying is a call for self-determination both politically and economically. What I see as the future is what has been termed "patchwork" in the accelerationist blogosphere, namely that capitalism can also accelerate to alternate forms of society and political orders and not just one model.
Isaac Williams
where did you get localist tribalism from plurivocal globalization you dumb gorilla nigger, those are like polar opposites
Jayden Fisher
>Globalization is here to stay >plurivocal globalization lmao, fucking Maoists are more grounded than you people.
Nolan Peterson
such as?
Isaiah Martin
This is a righteous and sick burn against a man who is dead
Julian Williams
What is wrong with critiquing popular media that is consumed by the youth? If anything it's setting the status quo for the future society
Landon Reed
>a man who is dead What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Hunter Scott
>Well, these days in Ukraine, we give leftists a taste of their own medicine. Anyone who expresses any pro-faggot, anti-Ukranian and other Jewish communist opinion is beaten to death with electrical cables
Can you imagine anyone more cucked than a fucking capitalist supporter? Where's your factory, twat? Where's your business? You don't even own your own car or house, you pathetic faggot. Yet, you kowtow and suck the dicks of the bourgeoisie who want to make sure you never do this whilst paying you lip-service about how you're free and you too can be like them.
You'll never be a billionaire. You'll never be a millionaire. The people who are had every advantage in life and the "garage starter" meme is literally capitalist propaganda to keep you consuming and class-retarded.
The chaddest thing that can be done is shooting capitalists (and the cuckolds that support them aka class traitors) in the face. You know, like the actual revolutionaries did. Peaceful protesting is bullshit. Being a capitalist cuck is bullshit. Off yourselves.
Levi Allen
>Was the plague a foul product of Mongol trade practices because it came through the silk road? flinging diseased corpses into cities doesn't help
Kayden Nguyen
At least we have a shopping mall and range of products. You wouldn't even have this.
Blake Jones
I feel like he was a bit pessimistic about culture being dead but there doesn't seem to be too much art that really seems to be moving forward. Even Zoomers are already forming Led Zeppelin and Velvet Underground cover bands
Either this whole thread is one (1) person samefagging or /pol/ invading.
Either way, advocating for genocide, using offensively obvious fallacies and samefagging to a substance-less post "based" ad continuum is not Yea Forums nor Yea Forums related.
Go read a book, no one cares about the incoherent ramblings of an explicit idiot, no matter how loud they are.
Jaxson Morales
Fuck malls and fuck a million different kinds of the same product with different colours and prices. Fuck it all.
Agreed. I always liked that quote, "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
Kayden Cooper
a-at least I'm not a collectivist, m-my boss told me that we i-individualists are all in the same boat...
Samuel Gomez
Hold on, are you saying under communism we won't get photos of cute girls in silly costumes? I'm not sure if I like this idea
Samuel Rivera
mad
Adam Torres
You're goddamn right I'm mad.
Gavin Gutierrez
Righteous.
Brody Cox
Have a fucking cry about it you dumb teenager.
Jackson Bennett
spending money on cute pictures > picking turnips for the collective
Chase King
Just go on any leftist platform and you'll see the prevalence of mental illness is something like 5 times that of the normal population. It's mostly people projecting their deep seated issues into society. Not that capitalism is a good system.
Kayden Myers
because the impoverished simply starve to death, go join a dirge so you can get shot faggot
