Should I watch The New Batman Adventures in its entirety? I've heard mixed things but it really doesn't look so bad.
Should I watch The New Batman Adventures in its entirety? I've heard mixed things but it really doesn't look so bad
Nolan Robinson
Anthony Thompson
It’s probably easier for people nowadays to watch that then TAS. It feels more in line with Justice League.
Josiah Kelly
There's less bad episodes but also less great episodes.
There's a massive drop in animation quality but I actually prefer the design of NBA to
I like Batman's design and the red sky is kino. Robin is now Tim Drake but he feels more like Dick Grayson than Dick Grayson did.
Evan Lopez
It's still good.
It's arguably worse than BTAS, but it's like complaining that you only got a Ferrari and you were hoping fot Bugatti Veyron.
And it does have some of the strongest episodes in the entire series ("Growing Pains", "Old Wounds", "Over The Edge", "Love Is A Croc", "Mad Love").
Nicholas Jackson
It's shit compared to TAS but not shit compared to Young Justice
Juan Fisher
>Robin is now Tim Drake but he feels more like Dick Grayson than Dick Grayson did.
If there is one character that feels more like Dick Grayson than Dick Grayson it's Barbara Gordon. She literally inherited comicbook Nightwing's personality and function, because the show's Nightwing is too busy being a brooding asshole.
Juan Howard
It's somewhat more violent than BTAS was, but in all other aspects it's inferior. It also began Batman's descent into being a bitter asshole who hates everyone, which continued in BB and JL.
David Thomas
Maybe I'm in the minority, but (Aside from maybe Joker, and even then) I fucking love the character designs in this series. Clean and simple, and my favorite animated version of Batman. Every single character has an instantly recognizable profile.
Babs is hot as fuck in every single frame, I love her costume; The colors match the overall pallette so well. I love Timm-inspired looks more than Timm's actual drawings, oddly enough.
Camden Russell
Pros:
Batfamily
Black Bat, Cartridge Belt
Batman in general is badass and much more capable
Designs are generally better
Cons
Animation budget clearly slashed
No more title cards
Batman is a humorless asshole now
Conclusion, about equal to TAS. It's not a downgrade, there's a tradeoff in values. Batman with the personality and writing of TAS and the competence and aesthetic of TNBAS would be ideal.
Samuel Stewart
I mean more than Babs' colors really pop well against the show's overall color scheme.
Leo Nguyen
I don't have any examples, but the show looked so good when animated by TMS.
Luke Nguyen
Yeah it's good and bad at the same time. Some characters have great redesigns. Some episodes are just as good as BTAS. Some pale extremely in comparison. If you want to see a show that feels like BTAS in its prime, try Gargoyles. It had a lot of writers from BTAS work on it, such as Michael Reaves, Frank Paur, Byrne Stephens just to name a few.
If you consider that TNBA had Dini return for a few episodes while the writing crew were mostly different than BTAS', this does help explain why many episodes are mostly mediocre.
Landon Turner
It IS very jarring to watch TNBA and then immedately follow them up with first episodes of BTAS. Batman in BTAS is probably the nicest guy on a planet and he even wisecracks ever so often (I never liked "It's a Wonderful Life". I couldn't get past the title.)
I guess that makes sense. Batman in TNBA is much older and jaded, so now he's playing a straight man to the snarky Batgirl.
Ryder Nguyen
I'd argue the jump in his demeanor is jarring going from BTAS to TNBA also. I mean Harley's holiday was like 4 episodes away from TNBA's Sins of the Father
Nolan Cruz
You'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't watch it, honestly. The writing for the most part is just as good as BTAS, and it has some of the strongest episodes of the entire series along with a stronger emphasis on the Batfamily, all of which are in top-form.
The new designs are clean and nice to look at (I can even get past Joker's redesign which is by far the worst) and it retains the Art Deco style Gotham alongside the red sky that just makes for a terrific background for any episode.
It loses a bit of the noir feel BTAS had, but it's a fair trade-off.
The only big misstep of TNBA when pitted next to BTAS is really how Batman's increased callousness can rub some the wrong way when compared to how surprisingly warm-hearted he was even to his villains in BTAS.
Eli Baker
Let's be frank, user. You probably should watch TNBA anyway, if only for Babsgirl. She singlehandedly salvages even the shittiest episodes.
Liam Rivera
This thread is schway
Post moar Babs
Joseph Brooks
Yeah. Although, apparently there was a in-universe timeskip.
Which still doesn't work, because Old Wounds show that he was already an asshole even DURING the timeskip. Although I would become an asshole too if I were to constantly put out with this particular version of Dick Grayson.
Dylan Garcia
It's better season quality than Btas. People don't like to admit it but btas is really a toss-up in quality, new Batman adventure doesn't have as many great episodes but it has a higher quality of a season. It's way better then adventures of Batman and Robin and the season before that. And it only has one truly bad episode unlike btas which as a couple.
Benjamin Robinson
What are your favorite stories or elements from this series, anons? Mad Love remains one of mine.
Dominic Carter
Yes. It's not as good as TAS which means it's not as good as one of the greatest cartoons ever made but is still better than 99.9% of television.
Benjamin Bennett
Lincoln Jackson
Mad Love will always be tied with The Laughing Fish for my favourite overall episode (even though the latter is BTAS not TNBA), but beyond that, Love is a Croc, Joker's Millions, Sins of the Father and Beware the Creeper are my favourite TNBA stories
Blake Gray
I think it's "Over the Edge". It would've been a phenomenal and ballsy end to the series which fits perfectly with Bat Beyond if it wasn't for a copout in the end. It's still a really solid mindfuck episode.
Other than that probably "Old Wounds". I also have a soft spot for "Love is a Croc" and "Mad Love".
Kayden Carter
An Ivy is fine too
I'd like to add that I love anything with Baby Dahl. She's so perfectly tragic. I don't know if she was in the comics first, but she fits right in for me as a perfect Batman villain.
Sebastian Miller
Preferred killer croc’s design he looked way cooler being green and most interpretations have him being green so I guess most people prefer that look
Hudson Gutierrez
I think Baby Dahl was cooked up specifically for the show. Which only says about the show's writing quality.
I guess in general BTAS/TNBA does some true God's work effortlessly modernizing a lot of Silver/Bronze age aspects of Batman mythos, but that's a different topic altogether.
Daniel Young
Maybe I'm biased since I never had a problem with the DCAU's version of Dick and indeed, I actually do like him, but I think just getting a kiss from Harley would be enough to keep me from becoming a jaded asshole
Lincoln Diaz
He's just mad that she and Ivy took a bunch of his money
Nathaniel Lee
Charles Martinez
Based Dick
Jose Rodriguez
For me, DCAU Dick was a bit too much of a whiner and it kinda went into overdrive in TNBA when he became Shadow the Hedgehog. To the point even Babs has to tell him to chill the fuck out.
It's actually amusing - Babs is the chill, friendly one, while Dick is the brooding one with the chip on a shoulder. The got their character cards mixed up, or what?
Liam Lewis
It's okay. I don't think most of the redesigns affect the characters too much, but I do think a lot of ideas and voice talent are wasted on characters that weren't given a lot of room to focus on. Riddler, Mad Hatter, and Penguin are underutilized, and despite the fact that the latter two have their own villain of the week episodes- it could have been any villain used, but obviously they loved Roddy McDowell and Paul Williams enough to have them voice cameos. They tried out some new villains, but it was mostly just Bruce Timm's excuse to draw new ladies with the same body shape.
It has a good Ventriloquist episode that was supposed to, in theory, be Scarface's death episode. But I think it's often implied that that version of Wesker relapses.
Another thing I've noticed is how some of the villains in this are sorta "killed off" in their chronologically final appearances. Like Ivy supposedly drowns on a sinking boat, Croc is blasted with a torrent of super hot water to the chest, and Joker falls into a functioning smoke stack where presumably he would have been incinerated- but he seems to be fine by the time Justice League comes out
But yeah, a lot of the episodes are super hit or misses, and there's a couple solely focused on tying in other DC characters like Superman, Supergirl, Etrigan the Demon, and the Creeper.
There isn't a lot of room for Bruce Wayne in this one like there was in the first series. He doesn't really have the soft, friendly demeanor as he did before. He has his moments, though. Arguably the best episode has that in "Never Fear", which is a Scarecrow episode (the only redesign and reimagining that was perfect).
Colton Morales
Overall I think nearly every character looks much better than the TAS version (Though I'm on the fence about Catwoman), except for Riddle. I thought his suit looked much better.
Scarecrow actually looks fucking scary, his TAS version was comical by comparison.
Ayden Sullivan
In terms of redesigns, I am not too keen on the Joker, Catwoman and Riddler. Those are total downgrades. The rest are fine and then you have Scarecrow, Batgirl and Mr Freeze who actually had their designs improved.
Dylan Reyes
DCAU Dick was definately way moodier than how he's normally portrayed, but I never thought it went overboard to the point of being detrimental, except in "You Scratch My Back", where he's simping hard for Catwoman and pretty much shitting on Babs and Bruce. The only other episode I feel it went overboard was "Old Wounds" but that one's excusable since the wedge between Dick and Bruce when Dick quit being Robin is the entire crux of the episode.
Still, I can appreciate that they made him a lot more chill and friendly in the Batman and Harley Quinn movie, if nothing else to serve as a middle-ground between Batman and Harley
Xavier Morgan
>They tried out some new villains, but it was mostly just Bruce Timm's excuse to draw new ladies with the same body shape.
I know you're right, but fuck me if I don't eat it up with a serving spoon.
Cooper Bailey
The only downgrades in terms of designs from BTAS to TNBA for are Joker, Catwoman, Riddler and Bane. Joker looks more like a cosplayer with an eight-ball fracture with those black eyes and without his signature red lips. Riddler just looks fucking ridiculous, and Bane went from looking like a Luchador to looking like he belongs in an S&M club. Catwoman could've worked if they hadn't given her that weird skin tone when she's in costume for whatever reason. It works for Harley, because she's supposed to be a harlequin caked in greasepaint, but not for Catwoman. If she had her normal skin tone, I'd like that design a lot more.
Oliver Ramirez
Bruce Timm is just a fucking legend. Dude always thought with his dick, and it paid off.
Gabriel Clark
BTAS was very grounded, which was part of what made it so great. Batman wasn't taking on interplanetary warlords, he was dealing with local gangsters, hanging to the top of cars, and frankly getting beat up a lot.
TNBA started pushing for higher stakes, which changed Batman from the local rich guy secretly trying to do good in his crime ridden town to "I've got a bunch of laser satellites and a dossier on all my friends weaknesses in case I have to take them down." It also started making Batman untouchable because when he starts tangling with Superman's rogues, he has to get plot armor or he'd get squashed.
Isaiah Rogers
I'd be curious to see how this more modern version of Catwoman, as drawn by Timm, would have looked refined to a production design for the series.
Andrew Scott
Austin White
Couldn't find anything actually refined enough to be a production design for the series, but I'm sure it would've looked good. Timm's style lends itself well to more modern versions of the characters too.
Elijah Morris
>Non-classic Harley outfit
It's SCHWARBAGE, Terry!
That Steph is pretty cute, though. I'm a sucker for purple.
Thomas Miller
Are we still posting Batgirl?
Dylan Taylor
Was that ever in question? The more Babs the better.
Michael Sullivan
Do Gotham tourist shops sell novelty Mr. Freeze dome snowglobes?
Chase Reyes
When I was a kid, I always thought Supergirl was wearing tiny little jean shorts... I like my version better.
Caleb Powell
Post some more prime Harley and Ivy too.
Dominic Richardson
You know, I had a fanfic brewing in my head some time ago where due to time travel shenanigans young TNBA Babs ends up in the future and has to team up with Terry McGinnis.
Now that would be a setup prone to shenanigans.
Cooper Davis
I feel like people forget the "blue" in modern Harley's hair is supposed to represent faded black hair dye.
Eli Parker
Hey, so long as it's short, I'm okay with it. Though I'll always be a sucker for white shirt Supergirl over the blue and reds
Jeremiah Clark
the original cartoon is super overrated, it has tons of lame moments, the new one really is not that much of a change in quality. personally I prefer many of the redesigns form it.
Ethan Adams
It'd be like that episode where Terry teamed up with Old Bruce after the Lazarus Pit!
... And maybe Old Babs smirks at him at some point after fondly remembering said shenanigans.
Blake Ortiz
>"Yeah, just an FYI, you should probably tell Batman not to let Tim go on patrols on his own 'till he's a little older. Just sayin'."
Elijah Evans
White shirt with blue cutoff jean shorts... Woof.
Ethan Torres
He was 16 during the return to the joker flashback. They just didn't feel like making a new design.
Hunter Cruz
I desperately need to see more of whatever outfit Ivy is wearing here
Carson Brooks
>16
Still not quite old enough for a solo patrol in Gotham, though.
Metropolis? Sure.
Cameron Rivera
Oh, you just know that at some point young Babs and Terry will start crushing on each other (because fuck, Terry is essentially a perfect combo of Dick and Bruce, so it's just a matter of time) and then old Commisioner Babs will realize in horror that all those newfound memories about shirtless Terry keep popping into her head...
Justin Peterson
>All the porn on the internet uses the TNBA redesigns
>You now realize Timm simplified everything just so people would draw Batman fucking Batgirl
Samuel Evans
Did you have any other ideas from that fanfic, user?
Angel Collins
And maybe she tells herself to stay away from that McGinnis kid, and her younger self just wants to do it more. Not the first time she's disobeyed a Commissioner Gordon...
Jaxon Rivera
Hope this helps, user
Adam Ward
I've been watching a lot of retrospectives on the Timmverse shows, and people get really hung up on the Babs fucking Bruce thing. I dunno, I just think it's hot.
Josiah Jackson
Very cute, it's fun seeing the villains in other outfits.
Logan Bennett
Was there a lot of push in TNBA to maje things more "epic"? The only one I can recall is the Etrigan episode and even then the episode makes it very clear how horribly outmatched Batman is against KLARION THE WITCH-BOY.
And even BTAS had episodes like "Hearts of Steel", which incidentally is one of my all-time favourite episodes in the series.
Ethan Peterson
I'd be fine with the idea of Babs and Bruce maybe having fucked once or twice to let some steam out, but when they tried to shoehorn in that Bruce got Babs pregnant in the comics it got weird. Firstly because there's no way Bruce would be so careless,second, it's kinda fucked up when you consider how much respect and trust there is between Bats and the Comish and how Bats is pretty much shitting on all of that by apparently fucking his kid on the regular and getting her pregnant, and third, it's a real bitch slap to Dick. I know DCAU Dick isn't the most popular, but it's still fucked.