I tried sharing it with a friend but his loud opinions proved it doesn't hold up outside of a solo viewing experience

Those are all garbage

>There's stuff like Archer, Venture Bros and Star Trek: Lower Decks for the more pleb friends.
Those are still pretty cringe inducing to watch with friends while being too inappropriate for kids.

Its a cartoon and comic. You watch it for the design, creativity, art, mood. The characters, humor. The art and creativity is the main draw.

The tone of these is clearly dark even though theres humor and no tits. Its obviously not going to hold up when you compare it to any serious writing or character development, it cant.

Its a work of art. The general public doesnt appreciate art. You and your friend are constantly looking at the logistics, how something is cut, the technicalities. You want to "examine it" and not in the right places.

Im a big Batman fan but I dont even always rewatch this much because the tone is so dreary that its actually a bit depressing. A sort of mix of industrial art, gothic, and noir. Second season is a bit more engaging even though its worse quality and the vision isnt as tight.

I suggest you and your friend watch something that appeals to your logistics tastes and doesnt have to throw off a part that appeals to kids. If youre not gay, sounds kinda gay to watch things intimately with another man. But that could be me.

I enjoy old horror movies from 30s-70s. And its not because theyre technological marvels. When someone watches it they may laugh at them. The key is theyre not watching it for what it is or for what Im watching it for, which could be many reasons. And it also helps to find someone with the same interests as you.

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Op is an insecure faggot. No shit it's primary audience is kids. That doesn't mean it's not enjoyable for all ages. People like Pixar movies too, but who the fuck would sit down and put on Up with a peer or peer group unless they were also into cartoons?

Are you the op? If so it sounds like you just hate yourself for liking cartoons.

Some of EEnE is good.
KnD has some good but you have to pick and choose episodes. The musical ones are mostly the best ones whether it's songs or just two tubas.
BtAS is good provided you're not watching with anyone else present as its self unaware comic logic is embarrassing.
Early Billy & Mandy is an interesting ride but jump off as soon as things get sterile or enjoy your Fredfredburger "jokes". Spongebob but with the BtAS caveat and jump off when it gets stupid.
Simpsons but the quality is all over the place.

Though if we're talking for kids to watch then Funnybones, original Scooby Doo, early Dennis the Menace and similar stuff from their eras are good and the aforementioned are also universally good for kids (well, the Simpsons used to be pretty alright to watch with kids until they "modernised" the humour into being more spiteful, and BtAS might make your boys hetero if that's a problem for you) but hard to watch for adults.

I think the only insecure people are anons mad that OP found Batman childish. As if a man dressed in a bag costume is somehow mature.

Your friend sounds like an edgy, joyless power-level faggot.

This whole post reeks of autism. Musical episodes are the worst and what the fuck are you talking about with btas making a kid hetero? All humans are hetero unless they were abused as children or addicted to porn.

But normals love them and OP and his friends seem like normies to me.

No one is saying it's super mature and meant for adults, but calling btas childish compared to other cartoons is legitimately a bad take. There's plenty of more childish shows that get daily threads on here, so I'm just genuinely confused by op's take

What normie watched venture bros? Would even get the premise as a Johnny quest parody?

It is kids cartoon dude.

Watch it or don't. People who just bitch while doing something are very annoying. Do what brings you joy and call anyone who has a problem with it a fag. What is and isn't childish comes down to arbitrary bullshit anyway. For example I always found sports very childish.
>Duh I hit ball with stick and run around
>Duh I punch other guy in face
>Duh I kick ball
But others seem to take that garbage seriously and I ignore it and them.

I think OP and his friend are the only one who are mad. When you watch a show about a man dressed as a bat you shoudlve expected what you will.

>its self unaware comic logic is embarrassing

Is that really different than anything else cartoon? You really think any cartoon as soon as it starts playing (the theme songs, the voices, jokes, etc) isnt going to sound silly? I for one enjoy the twisted appearence of silly cartoon voices and music coming from my room in contrast to my "serious" image. Embrace it.

Your "friend" is you, isn't it OP? Cause "loud opinions " and "I specifically picked ones that appealed to his... tastes" sounds like the kind of thing you use talking about a man with a foot fetish, not for a normal human being watching children's media.

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>fanboys under the age of 12 or 14
So… kids? I don’t know if I’d call small children “fanboys”

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Genuinely curious why you dislike the idea of someone beating the joker that's not Batman.

Not really; kids cartoons are practically all the same. You saw it in CN’s line up in the early to late 2000s.

I wrote the one long post: Also adding a bit more;

These cartoons have won numerous awards for their vision and art. The music, the designs, everything is one tight package well thought out. When you examine it from this point of view you can see where the quality is. Even if it can appeal to kids, doesnt mean that adults didnt make it and there arent very well done.

Contrast to something like DBZ, even though it has violence and tits, none of its designs make sense, arent as well thought out and only serve the purpose of "cool". Tons of screaming and same repetitive plots of fighting. No diversity in story telling. Something like DBZ is a thousand times more cringe inducing, especially if youre taking it seriously as many of its watchers do. Proof that because something is filled violence and isnt aimed at all ages or kids doesnt mean its the more mature or the better product.

Probably shouldnt have taken this thread as seriously tough.

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>isnt aimed at all ages or kids doesnt mean its the more mature or the better product.
Not that user, DBZ is totally a kid's show, at least in Japan. Super is pretty much the equivalent of a Saturday morning cartoon/family friendly viewing.

I think so too and agree. But many times its watchers take it very seriously more than they should which is why I used it as a example. Not all, but you know.

>2010s cartoons manage to appeal to all audiences
delusional

There's a huge difference between the quality of writing between Batman and Super Friends and between Batman and whatever mature writing you're expecting now (definitely not anything related to capeshit, a genre created to entertain children).

>What is Alan Moore
There’s no reason BTAS could have been on the same level as Watchmen.

Batman was the best character to start the DCAU. Everything started as street-level and people didn't need to be a super duper badass to give Batman trouble.

Watchmen is just as silly any other cape comic as Morrison has pointed out. It just has sex and violence.
>“The fact that none of the characters were allowed to be smarter than the author, that really drove me nuts," Morrison said. "The world’s smartest man is an idiot. He makes a plan all his life that is undone by the end of the book in an instant. The psychiatrist sits with Rorschach for five minutes and Rorschach tells a super banal story of how he became a vigilante and the psychiatrist cracks. If you’re a criminal psychiatrist who deals with men in prison, you’ve heard a million of these stories. It was all to make a specific point about how the real world isn’t like superhero comics.”

Industrycuck thread in disguise?

He mentioned his cousins liking BTAS and not letting him watch, so most likely
It all reeks of him anyhow

Alan Moore is the most bitter man in all of comics. BTAS is Alan Moores fever dream because it doesnt pretend to be more than it is while still delivering a good work.

Why not watch Mask of the Phantasm? Kinda retarded to think skipping to a new episode every 20 minutes while you mumble autisticly to yourself would work.

Imagine seeing Industrycuck everywhere

kys

He got filtered by kino. The joker is just a guy with a gun and clown weapons, he's not some kind of unstoppable force.
DCAU Joker is refreshing because one moment he could be the goofy clown who gets shat on and another he could be a legitimate psycho. Much better balance

>Venture Bros is garbage
Cringe opinion

Bait

Y'all niggas overthink cartoons also kid shows or not kid shows a good show a good show, if you can't see that with BTAS you're an idiot.

ITT: man voluntarily watches beloved children’s cartoon, is completely BTFO it is, indeed, a children’s cartoon.

Comparing something that was groundbreaking in 1992 to all the cartoons standing on its shoulders twenty years later. Tell me you’re stupid without actually saying the words “I’m stupid”, OP.

This, so much. Did people somehow forget the time Joker was arrested with his pants around his ankles and all of Gotham laughing at him? Or the time a dead gangster managed to get one over on him by getting the IRS on his ass?

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I agree that BTAS falls into some very dumb tropes at times and it's kinda tiring when people just ignore this and pretend like all of it is super profound, but
>the balding guy beating up the Joker because the Joker's entirely personality changed
this is not a good example of it. Joker's personality was consistent throughout the series. It might seem off to you because you're more used to the edgy chaotic psycho Joker of today, but BTAS Joker (and Nicholson Joker by extension) is pretty much a gangster with a gimmick. He's just a criminal with eccentric habits, he's not the embodiment of insanity. He fears for his life just like everyone else.

Kek, Morrison is so obsessed. Good point about the psychiatrist though.

Joker use to be in the comics, a non-threat physically, it was till the 00's that change and I kinda miss that about the character how usually get his ass kicked in one punch by like anyone, that the thing about Joker is almost any should be able to kill him easy but always a step ahead.

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user, while the logistics fags like OP are insufferable cunts in their own right, you are not some elitist art connoisseur for watching a corporate children's cartoon.
>none of its designs make sense, arent as well thought
What are you talking about? Toriyama is great at character design. Pick any DB design made by him and it tells you a lot about the character immediately.

>I agree that BTAS falls into some very dumb tropes at times and it's kinda tiring when people just ignore this and pretend like all of it is super profound
This entire thread is proof of that. People suck BTAS's dick too hard.

>Pick any DB design made by him and it tells you a lot about the character immediately.
Frieza, Cell, and Buu are some of my all time favorite villain designs thanks to all their form changes having great personality to them.

Im not saying it's Goya.

Toriyama is a shit designer and artist. He only gets by because his design and stories have high energy. Not to mention he didnt even learn proper anatomy untill he was old.

True, BTAS is primarily standard GI Joe-tier crap but it leads to the rest of the DCAU so it's not right to dismiss it entirely. Once Superman TAS comes around, things start to get better.

>Not to mention he didnt even learn proper anatomy untill he was old.
A lot of the anatomy in Dragon Ball was fine though? Nothing I remember being Liefeldian.

Only some of the monsters look cool, everything else is pretty much ass. Even then when you look at his designs as a whole theyre all recycled and boring, same old things.

And I disagree with you. I think a lot of his designs are cool. He does recycle a lot of designs but you can admit to flaws while appreciating it as a whole.

>True, BTAS is primarily standard GI Joe-tier crap
No it fucking wasn't.

Wouldn’t see him everywhere if he stopped showing up and constantly pissing me off

If his designs have high energy, wouldn't that mean he would be pretty competent to get that energy?

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He’s not real. You fags made him up to blame all your problems on something.

>A lot of the anatomy in Dragon Ball was fine though?

Its not if you actually know anything about art. It might be good to the average person.

I know what you're going to say "You're not some elitist art connoisseur watching childrens cartoons."

Im not, but I actually know what I'm looking at. In the words of Villpu when he was examining anime art, "It's actually quite stupid."

Its pretty basic bitch designs though. Spikey hair + some new color hair for the heros. Multi colored alien for the bad guys, repeat that over and over. No real change in any theme.

You have to suspend your disbelief and have a good inner child to enjoy both the writing and scenes of good cartoons like BTAS. Of course the police could just kill half these retards on sight and its comical cartoony shit from villains who are outright killing people and seeing no real consequences. But its funny and well written those perspectives. Its meant to be whacky. People who apply real world logic to everything are also often not very good at applying it when it matters.

>I know what you're going to say "You're not some elitist art connoisseur watching childrens cartoons."
I wasn't even that user, I literally just said I liked his designs. Jesus fuck are tou this insecure about BTAS?

No need to get worked up, user, BTAS did lead to some good things but the majority of it is still what you'd find in other Saturday morning trite.

Im not, you just seemed like that guy.

I'm not getting worked up but it's pretty dumb to compare BtAS to GI Joe of all things. It was pretty good for a Saturday morning better.

>Im not, but I actually know what I'm looking at. In the words of Villpu when he was examining anime art, "It's actually quite stupid."
Villpu can eat a bag of dicks.

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>implying Superman and the rest of the DCAU isn't also Saturday morning trite
DCfags are pathetic.

I said it started to get better not that it wasn't still animated cereal for kids.

Don't care, still personally find it cool. That's how opinions work.
I'm literally this guy, the one you've been ass riding over liking Frieza's design.