Why is "taking yourself too seriously" or "being too serious" considered a valid criticism of media?
Why is "taking yourself too seriously" or "being too serious" considered a valid criticism of media?
Dylan Gutierrez
Lincoln Wood
Why do you make this thread every day?
Alexander Walker
Remember when we had Preteena threads? Those were the days
Levi Collins
It's an emotional avoidance strategy. You might say they're coping.
Brody Fisher
Why so serious?
Jacob Martinez
Marvel films are made for children user.
Joseph Miller
>It's for kids so it's meant to be shit
Leo Bell
Blame Seth MacFarlane.
>It insists upon itself
Mason Reyes
Kids films being serious requires skill. Kids films constantly relieving any sort of pressure doesn't. Afterwards people will remember that they felt completely unthreatened but they liked the one with the hammer and want him on a backpack.
It's not meant to be shit it's meant to be easy.
Hunter Carter
Because he needs validation.
Dominic Johnson
James Mitchell
>First one references conflict, not tone.
>Second one has barely anything to do with it
>Neither does the third one
>Using TVtropes to begin with
Matthew Walker
Your illiteracy isn't a good look and you don't deserve more effort than some tvtropes links.
James Hernandez
>films are made for children user.
Jackson Reed
>Using TVtropes at all
This guy legit thought that I'd take an article from TVtropes seriously.
Noah Gray
There is a world of difference between a setting being too dark and a movie or comic refusing to take itself seriously. Something causes darkness induced apathy if it feels depressing to watch and just makes you feel shitty, that doesn't mean that adding jokes would suddenly make it better. At that point the problem is with the entire setting.
What Joss Whedon's style of bathos does is that it removes the stakes from a confrontation or makes a villain look like a clown. Watch Avenger 2012 or Age of Ultron and tell me that you take Loki or Ultron seriously as a threat. Because I sure don't.
A movie that does bathos well is Aquaman. It's funny, yet Oceanmaster still feels like a threat. It's called moderation.
Daniel Bell
its so you don't realize the build up to the emotional scene was cheap and by the books
Oliver Reyes
Mason Young
Ryder James
David Russell
James Davis
Okay that's all I'm gonna bother looking for, pretty sure OP has more examples but I can't sustain my autism for much longer
Owen Miller
Wow, a threads being repeated. The ghastly horror. Not like the entirety of this of this board is repeated posts.
Thomas Cox
Kill yourself OP it's the edgiest thing you could do
James Miller
So was Spiderman 2002
Christopher Sullivan
Iron Man 1 had a good balance of both and was good
Charles Edwards
That is Marvel retard
Ryder Rodriguez
Yes, I just showed you a superhero movie meant for kids that doesn't act childish 24/7
Marvel movies are not meant for kids, they are meant for mentally ill neckbeards.
Carson Bell
Law of Jante.
Benjamin Carter
Bump
Brandon Lewis
Cope
Nathaniel Wilson
Bump
Christopher Green
Because society works off of a pendulum. After the success of the dark Knight and watchmen we got a plethora of shitty super serious super melodramatic dark n gritty superhero movies and adventure films (remember when we went through that phase of dark and gritty retellings of fairy tales?). Once the market became saturated with all that garbage having levity and irony became a breath of fresh air. We are already seeing with movies like Matt Reeves Batman that the pendulum is beginning to swing back two more serious narratives after a decade of silly and ironic comic book movies
Adrian Baker
Fairytales were already dark and gritty. This is just your brain on American pop culture.
Jonathan Mitchell
No one gives a fuck what fairy tales were like 100 years ago. From at least the 80s to the early 2010s fairy tales were Disney adventures and that's what the public expectation was
Colton Rodriguez
>No one gives a fuck
Is nothing more than a pathetic thought terminating cliche. Fairy tales have been like this for hundreds of years and just because the average person is incredibly ignorant of culture doesn't mean that these stories can't be dark.
Caleb Jones
No one gives a fuck.
Robert Myers
>No arguments
Carter Baker
And of course, both ends of the pendulum suck.
Don't shy away from the silly, unrealistic stuff, but don't make it into a joke either: just play it all straight, and while it may seem dumb to them at first, the audience will become invested I'm the characters and captured by the wild ideas.
Daniel Howard
Because sometimes the genre isn't supposed to be serious.
Imagine a rom-com but all the characters act too serious. Boy, you're watching a telenovela, not a rom-com.
Adrian Gray
No one jives a duck.
Sebastian Walker
When everything you do is a joke you can claim to laugh along.
Dylan Young
Because it's very hard to take a bunch of men in tights fist fighting alien robots seriously, any capeshit movie that does try to be all deep and serious inevitably ends up just feeling very tonally schizophrenic because on the one hand you're getting monologues about the natural of man all while a guy on a motorcycle plays chicken with a clown.
Lucas Ramirez
Stop using TVTropes.
Owen Foster
Can you take literally any fiction seriously?
Adam Smith
This, its a the MickeyD's of cinema
Isaac Wilson
Why are you so fucking obsessed with this, you goddamn schizo?
Adam Bennett
Are there more of other popular pages?
I can almost see the nightmare fuel one
Luis Ward
By your retarded logic: all of these things are goofy and cannot be taken seriously:
> Marvel
> DC
> Star Wars
> Any kind of musical
> Anything that uses puppets
> Nearly every fucking fable/fairy tale in existence
Because if it has even a hint of whimsy or anything deviating from realism you say it is a travesty and "trying too hard".
Captcha: NDNRG
Jason Ramirez
BASED.
FUCK this stupid, cynical age of post-irony; the era where everyone acts like self-conscious teenagers. God forbid you show any sort of unironic passion/shameless whimsy.
Colton Johnson
Never given in to the social pressure to be disingenuous and unfeeling, and if someone ever calls something "edgy," call them the lying faggot they are. Godspeed you Anons.
Eli Smith
It's funny that Whedon gets the blame for this. I mean I know it stems from him, but it's not his fault they get the balance wrong. Whedon has horrible tragedy throughout a lot of his shows that doesn't get undercut, to the point of sometimes seeming excessively cruel.
Elijah Rodriguez
>all of these things are goofy and cannot be taken seriously
Yes
Camden Myers
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Alexander Watson
Until fuckers ruined it by being creepers, yeah, they were great. Wish I could find the sketch art someone made of her praying. Someone took my request, and it was actually really nicely done.
Elijah King
Early MCU
>Jokes fit the mood of the scene and allowed characters some downtime
>Reflected the character's attitude (Thor smashing a coffee cup on Earth because that's what they do in Asgard)
>Pic related, jokes were done after the major battle
Modern MCU
>Jokes are forced into every scene
>Characters make jokes that don't reflect their character traits
>Inserting modern memes
MCU used to be great
Josiah Peterson
>By your retarded logic: all of these things are goofy and cannot be taken seriously:
You know user...
THEY DO GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT.
Dominic Cook
>We are already seeing with movies like Matt Reeves Batman that the pendulum is beginning to swing back two more serious narratives after a decade of silly and ironic comic book movies
WHY THE FUCK THAT FLYING RAT ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT.
Jackson Long
>MCU used to be great
Thor 1, Iron Man 1, and The Incredible Hulk all felt like they we're movies first, franchises second. You could watch them independently of the source material and other movies, and come away with a full experience. Furthermore, if you had a knowledge of the source material, it enriched the experience by being faithful enough to the originals to be recognizable, while still being an exciting new experience. Thor 1 has far more stuff from the comics than any of the later Thor movies, and actually does feel like it's adapted from them, whereas the later MCU movies all feel like they want people to think they're "more accurate" to the comics through superficial elements like less departed costumes, and appearances from things like Rock Creatures or Beta Ray Bill, even though the actual substance of the movie is completely departed from the source material, and in the case of Thor, even the other movies. Thor in Ragnarok doesn't feel remotely like the same character in Thor 1, he feels like Blonde Tony Stark. It's sad, because I recently started reading more of the comics since I'm generally more familiar with the cartoon adaptations of Marvel, and realized I genuinely do love Marvel's stories and characters, and the MCU has completely ruined them. It's such a waste of potential.
Jack Ramirez
Brandon Moore
The problem started with Avengers 1. Everyone was either OOC or a caricature of themselves and quipped so often you'd think it was a comedy club.
Luis Morgan
Couldn't agree more. The fact that people will die on that movie's hill is utterly baffling. It was shit in 2012, and it's shit now. I legitimately have no idea what people see in it.