Will Harley and Joker ever be a couple again? Feels like they played the abusive joker and empowered Harley angle so hard it’s impossible in normal continuity. Hence why only shit like white Knight has them together
Sad, I really prefer her with him, they bounce off eachother well. I just don’t think they’d be willing to take the twitterati outrage over her going back to an abuser or whatever
I love them together. There should be a animated movie just about joker and Harley being funny cartoon characters in love.
Has their relationship ever been anything but Harley being the Joker's punching bag?
They were only good together because the Joker never had any interest on her, it was an one sided crush a crazy girl following an asexual autist around
>Will Harley and Joker ever be a couple again?
in a few years people who grew up with them as a couple will come into the industry and put them back together. this happens every time a new generation of creators enter the big two where they undo the last decade of change to make it exactly like what they grew up reading.
He has a better bitch now
Harley provides Joker with affirmation of his belief that insanity is a completely reasonable and justified response to the nonsensical world he views himself as living in - if even a brilliant psychiatrist can be broken in such a short time, his own mental state is completely logical.
Based
Has Harley ever been interesting as anything but that?
>Will Harley and Joker ever be a couple again?
No. That would make a woman be evil and abused by a man again. This is sacrilege is modern America.
This, since when have they ever been a true couple? Joker doesn't actually give a fuck about her. I don't either desu, pretty sick of Harley as a character.
Fags would bitch too much
I don't really think we'll see them together again in mainline continuity. Joker and Harley being together is something that'll most likely stay relegated to Elseworlds stuff like White Knight, as you said.
Doesn't mean that's bad, per se. They do bounce off each other pretty well, and they have the potential to (depending on the universe) run the gambit from more light-hearted stories where Joker's just a bit of a dick to her or indifferent to her, to more dramatic fare like Mad Love where he's actively malicious/abusive towards her.
They should revisit a less psycho joker era, where his crimes aren’t as ridiculously sadistic, Harley is back with him as his kind of moderator who keeps him grounded. Hell. Batman is ok with it because it stops joker killing kids or gassing theatres and shit
God forbid someone rob a bank in comics anymore. Look at the newest Venom short. It's fantastic. Comics have just gone so over the top its almost satire. Just have Joker throw a damn pie while stealing a diamond.
Honestly board rooms that pitch comic ideas should have a baseball that if you say the words: "cosmic, time travel, multiverse, god, genocide, universal, eldrich, or anything just sadistic to be shocking" your team is allowed to nail you with it.
>Harley, holy fuck
They’d need to reboot continuity again and make her the way she was in post-crisis.
in many ways she is her best as the constantly abused girlfriend of the Joker
She loses a lot of the sympathy and empathy for her antics when its not filtered through Jokes abuse
Well times have changed
The type of love that Joker and Harley show is foundationally inappropriate
The last thing you would do is put WW or Black Canary in an abusive relationship
DC knows that the couple only works when Joker is on his best behavior but the minute he begins abusing her it stops being interesting and becomes a disgusting spectacle
The irony for DC is that Poison Ivy abuses Harley as well
A lot of the slapstick stuff from the 90s and 2000s in general with Harley will not fly today at all
In Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, they’re both insane but he’s not abusive towards her. They’re on the same page
ugh she was so bad post crisis
Betraying her friends to get back with Joker
She was even more stupid and didn't respect any of her henchmen
People really do have nostalgia goggles for some things
Post Crisis from like 94-2005 was not a good era of comics
You know now that I thin about it I don't think DC has any female villains in abusive relationships like Joker and Harley
Its not surprising that many elements of their relationship have to be eliminated to make it work
>You know, Bats, we've been doing this little run around of ours for years. It's been loads of laughs, but the sad fact is none of us are getting any younger.
>That old clock's a-tickin'.
>Quite right, pooh. And Harley and I were thinking it was time to start a family. Add a Joker, Jr. to our merry brood.
>But rather than go through all the “joy” of childbirth, we decided to adopt.
>We couldn't do it legally, but then we remembered you always had a few spare kids hanging around, so we borrowed one.
They should have a Joker Marries Harley event where the joker promises to not be such an asshole and Harley promises to not be such an idiot
That entire flashback sequence in Return of the Joker is pretty OOC for Harley. She's obsessed with Joker, yeah, but at least in the DCAU it's shown that she is capable of empathy and she can be rehabilitated, unlike Joker. Her just casually allowing Joker to mindrape a kid was pretty unlike her. Joker's not being abusive to her then for the sake of the whole "happy family" shtick he wanted to present to Batman before showing him what he did to Robin.
Joker was kinda OOC. Casually making micro tech to keep a personality in Robin's head of himself
Nope. Literally the whole point of Harley was to show how awful it is for women to fall in love with sociopaths. Pic related literally should have been her last appearance because it's the best illustration of Harley's life up until they turned her into DC's Deadpool: She's ultimately going to get killed in one of Joker's schemes and all she'll be remembered for is "She was Joker's moll".
The Grandma Harley ending shows she gets out of that lifestyle and hates her stupid Jokerz grandkids for following in her footsteps
It is difficult to over emphasize how much modern writers have missed the point of the character by making Harley an empowered queen
Batman: The Dark Prince Charming had Joker actually trying to make Harley happy for her birthday party and never laid a hand on her. Harley herself was a pretty demanding girlfriend too. He tried to shoot her after she pissed him off one too many times though.
they were never really a couple, joker was just using her. harley is more of a dog
Am I the only one who thinks it’s fine for them to both be abusive to eachother?
Joker basically gets off on being beat up by Batman anyway. Why can’t he and Harley like fucking eachother up?
I personally wouldn't mind a take where they do love each other but they're crazy dickheads so they often come to blows
Two mentally ill people should be incapable of being in a relationship anyway
Joker and Harley have severe dysfunction and that's highlighted in the manipulation and abuse
None of this would be pleasing to read about which makes me question why people want to see it come back
I hate Twitter and I hate faggots for taking Harley away from Joker and making her gwenpool tier insufferable. Shame we will never get proper Harlequin anymore.
And now that she isn't apart of Joker anymore what is her point as a character besides being brand recognition for homos ? She's just a crazy bitch with an out of date name now. Harley Quinn will always be attached to Joker it's literally her name
God I fucking hate this planet
Same reason why people never want Reed and Sue to be happy or Jean and Scott or Spidey and MJ - Batman and Selina....Relationship drama sells and the Joker/Harley dynamic is possibly the most edgy comics has ever got. It's literally PG-13 Bruce Timm's "Red" You can have room for really good stories with that relationship but comics are never about nuance.
Plus Harley is at her best when she is by Jokers side. That's why her characterization still revolve around Joker still. She can't stand in her own because she isn't necessarily even unique. It's like giving spotlight to some random Mook Joker hired for a couple years
What is a good era for comic?
No and it's not because abuse or whatever it's because Harley is DC's best selling female character and they made her into a antihero who can't date villains.
There's your actual answer.
I'd love to see a run where the joker sticks to doing relatively normal crime, like robbing a bank, for a while entirely to mess with batman and just watch him get increasingly paranoid that it's all leading to something horrible.
>have the literal symbol for female Empowerment in Wonder Woman and her iconic logo
>DC's best selling female is some Joker henchman from an animated series 30 years ago
Never will truly comprehend it but it's still funny to think about
Because it is fucking fun! You can make them be cartoon characters. Is like seeing the relationship of Lucas and bugs was toxic.
>stale corporate logo is uninteresting
>zany character created for no other reason than to be entertaining is beloved
wowee, you'd have to be some kind of blithering fucking idiot to not understand what makes one character likable and the other not, or I guess the exec of a comic publishing company
Wonder Woman equates to a males view on what a powerful woman is
Nu Quinn is what women view as a powerful woman, aka bitch who can get away with anything and do whatever she wants
WW has a shitty mythos full of retcons and negative continuity and most writers are terrible at writing her
Her comics sell like shit consequently because no one is able to make her interesting because of all the confusion about her history
This permeates her universe from wonder girl to donna troy to even yara and nubia
DC cannot market this mess of a character correctly
WW is definitely the male idea of what a strong woman is
In contrast Harley is what the new modern female idea of what a strong woman is
Consequently both are created by men with severe sexual fetishes
What's Punchline's personality like? She kind of looks too cold to be an interesting girlfriend for The Joker.
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No.
The Joker and Batman have finally admitted their feelings for one another and have come out of the closet.
LGBT rights 2022!
I've always kind of wondered what he was using Harley for, cause from the looks of it, it sure wasn't sex.
this but unironically
Nu-Joker literally can't be written to have romantic or sexual feelings because his entire personality is just EDGEMURDERGORE.
He's a murder autist.
She's not that cold, but she's much more composed than Haley and acts more like a right-hand to Joker than just his "funny henchwoman girlfriend".
She's more into the "cult" part of Joker, and not into him personally. Which obviously makes her unpopular with a lot of people who are tired of edgy Joker.
In The Batman he genuinely seemed to like her
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>She's more into the "cult" part of Joker, and not into him personally.
All the making out they did wasn't personal..?
She's just not that much into him like Harley was. If Joker reformed, Harley would still be into him, Punchline wouldn't.
Shes based on a transgender porn star named Natalie Mars.
does anyone have that picture where it looks like Punchline just cut the cheese and the Joker is huffing her farts?
I mean it was truly hideous, like art school dropout bath salt addict bad. You couldn't forget it.
that fucking cat is a discredit to its species.
mostly a sounding board for his sketch comedy ideas.
I don't know how it is in the current comic canon but at least in BTAS Joker got to Harley by pretending to open up to her and show her the man behind the clown by telling her lies about himself and his past. Meanwhile in the few pages about Punchline I've seen posted around she seems to idolize the whole myth of the Joker
he really was an abusive asshole.
>i'll have you know, batman, that some of my ideas were good enough to be considered for air on saturday night live!
thats like saying some of your turds were good enough to be considered for flushing down the toilet.