The peak of European power and dominance over the planet was in the middle of the 19th century...

The peak of European power and dominance over the planet was in the middle of the 19th century. The recession from this peak was due to internal -rather than external- forces, although I'd submit that these were not inevitable. This period saw the rise of social organizations which -satisfied with conquering the planet- saw the next project to perfect the morality of their nations, eventually leading to civil rights and independence movements.

The mistaken ideal of moral perfection has led to multiculturalism and massive economic opportunity loses: the slippery slope has proven all too real as voting rights have led to a creep towards all manner of dubious rights (E.G. being called by a preferred pronoun.) From a cultural perspective, not every country is equal, and technological advances allowed Europe to dominate the world, before morality encouraged to give up their holdings.

A central dogma of Conservatism is that society and the individual should be moral, but the most dominant empires at their peak, throughout history were far from moral... and it is this contradiction which I consider to be the blindspot which will doom efforts towards the preservation of White European culture. Society doesn't fall apart because it lacks a defined morality, but because it dogmatically clings to ideals which no longer apply to its current situation.

The argument against a White identity is political correctness, although this is not politically motivated, at all, but moral. The solution to this isn't liberalism, conservatism or libertarianism, but in a pragmatic version of libertinism (De Sade failed to resolve the contradiction where the goals of numerous libertines would clash- there have to be winners and losers.)

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Morality is a central precept of conservatism, and it creeps towards a universality. If history teaches anything it is that the content of morality is mutable. When you start claiming it "springs from the individual" it inevitably becomes applied universally. Morality is the rope which is being used to hang the White European races. True freedom always ultimately infringes on someone elses "freedom", therefore there need to be a different set of restrictions (very little) for your population and the other populations (more significant.)

>the argument against white identity is moral
No, it's individualism/egoism

go back to /pol/ until you’ve read spengler

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lmao even Huxley has an answer to Spengler, out of here with that meme

i doubt it

I lose all respect for the opinions of anyone who admires De Sade.

he was redpilled

he was blackpilled

What would a society with absolutely no morality look like?

The modern Western World.

thats like the opposite

China

neo china arrives from the future

Literally an impossible proposition. Without morality there can be no society

I would subscribe to a periodical full of Yea Forums effortposts.

You're a weak minded bitch is why

Nazi Germany

"Universal" morality as a farce. most Enlightenment thinkers simply only really considered white males to be subject to it. didn't really consider other races to be people, etc.

My morality is based on what is good for my people and civilization.

Want to know how I know you're American?

Western society is the only moral one.

Western society is a corpse

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the whites are weak because with freedom naturally comes nihilism
when everything is allowed, nothing really matters
this was resolved in the western world through domination and conquest of the other
but the other has become the white man through hollywood and mass media
only the rich now can truly appreciate the freedoms allowed in such a degenerate society
where wits and cunning are more important than a creed, even if such creeds were based on lies (religion, enlightenment, politics-- in that order), they were lies humanity as a collective believes in
now we are trapped in a hamster wheel of sorts
we know our truths are dead
and we seek to find them again
some whites seek them through rediscovery of nationalism and their identity (sometimes christianity)
like the italians when they rediscovered the roman empire during the renaissance
chinese seek it through the reestablishment of the middle kingdom and its tributaries
mohamedans through their original beliefs
there is always a return or at least an attempt to do so
but gentlemen the internet, AI, increasing productivity without increasing employment
is a disaster that cannot be appeased by nostalgia
no. we need new truths

How do I choose which batshit nihilistic apocalyptic ideology to follow out of the hundreds competing on the scene at the moment.

No.

This. Move to China for a month and you'll stop believing in god.

A slave to his senses is the weakest. Libertine rakes like De Sade were consumed by their pleasure and decadence.

he was more stirner than stirner

Stirner sucked to begin with so this isn't much of a compliment.

Yeah nah. We are the least spooked humans today, because conditions allow it, for one we don't need to 'survive' although to be highly successful you have to be pretty spooked. 'Cavemen' wouldn't be spooked by things like muh humans rights but they would be some kind of animists, and certainly deeply respect their religious and social laws. Our understanding of the world is barely commensurable with their richness and depth in a blurring of mythos and reality. Even being deeply spooked today, as many are, there is little content to the most spooky of things, so they are easy to discard (especially when they're often just shallow tools used to mentally incapacitate you) whereas they made up the entire existence and mental life of such 'cavemen'.

so here is my proposal
what if we divided society in to two classes
a consumer class
and a noble class
the consumer class will be provided with enough to live an average life, a flat, balanced food diet, chance for physical activity and a hobby or two
but instead of looking down on them, we raise them up
they are the true heroes of society
their endless consumption
is what drives our economy forward
without their seemingly useless frivolities
how can we grow
we should honor them
honor their mediocrity, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE NORMAL
They choose to steady the ship that is humanity
Dont we do this already?
with soldiers, firemen, teachers
literally whodats who contribute NOTHING
and yet as a group contribute EVERYTHING
how can some of us shine brighter
if the stage is made of light?
so mediocrity becomes heroism
and the nobles-- those who seek POWER
will still have their game
and what a great game it could be
now that the players are serious
and so the common man is safe
from the power struggles of the great men
and the great men can truly be great
and there wont be a need to propagate lies against those that would rather STEADY the ship that is humanity
competition becomes pure capitalism
and while there would be those that seek to more for themselves
unlike the older times they would not be able to enlist the help of the mob
because the mob has become a herd
and they only desire a safe pasture
accepting mediocrity is seeing truth
that the fight is not worth fighting unless you fight to win
so only the best will fight
and those who win will be the best of the best
not a motley-ed posse of the lucky, the rich, and the good looking. no we are past appearances
and no the steadies, the consumers, they are not the losers rather
they are the eternal victors
sharing in the light of their host
like the earth is to the sun
and the moon is to the earth

After countless hours thinking about the perfect system, i have came up with my ideology, called Atlantism.

It's an ideology that i hope will conquer the world, and if that is not possible, conquer /pol/.

It's ideologic objective is to save our race, create a long term sustainable society and to create the Darwinistic convictions necessary to achieve greatness and incredible progress, that can lead europe out of it's current dark ages of decadence.

Our ideology seeks to bring back colectivism,
to bring back state help developing the economy ( copy the singaporean and chinese thinking of economics) , bring back moralism ( impose moral values on society), bring back militarism ( as a way to assure that hostile ideologies don't destroy us).

Our country aims to be a nation state, of 95% + all european peoples with only small number of useful minorities allowed and discouraged from reproducing. Official language the native country we capture plus english for business.

We will impose on the population reproductive quotas and tax them to death if they don't achieve them. 2 children minimum, and large incentives for more.

We defend the absolute prohibition of holyhood cultural poison, and seek to get cultural influence from east asia.

We defend a political system based on Iranian system, with the ultimate power reserved for atlanticists ( with a praetorian guard to defend the revolution) and allow some positive aspects of democracy and rule of law into our system.

We believe in free trade and being competitive enough to conquer foreign markets and become rich.

We seek to invest heavily on space exploration and seek new lands in outer space for the european race to expand, for the resources. We seek to expand to outer space, for the glory of our race, and to influence every aspect of our nation with this idea.

We are eugenicists, and seek to continuously improve the human capital, just like a company does. With humane ways, as much as possible.

keep in touch

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Low IQ thread

No

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanticism

>to bring back state help developing the economy ( copy the singaporean and chinese thinking of economics

so neo-formalism (like the one developed by moldbug)

>Our country aims to be a nation state, of 95% + all european peoples with only small number of useful minorities allowed and discouraged from reproducing. Official language the native country we capture plus english for business.

this only succeed if you aim at eastern european countries

Midwits have an IQ no greater than 115 which is low IQ.

/thread.

Sounds more like a private enterprise state developmentalism.

manners make society, not morals, that and a value proposition that keeps people from just wandering off.

It's called Israel