Listen to Wagner. Read his works

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Nobody who knows anything about music thinks Wagner is bad unless they butthurt

old nietzsche only got mad at wagner because of his christianity

80% of nietzsche is repackaged wagner
the rest is inverted wagner, out of butthurt

kek

and thats a good thing

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g*Rman art music is like g*Rman food
bloated, grotesque, and nauseating

Ride of the Valkyries
Prelude to Lohengrin Act III

ss ss ss ss ss ss
ee ee ee ee ee ee
dd dd dd dd dd dd

Wagner's music is better than it sounds.

irl nietzsche already knew the detailed prose scenario for parsifal since 1869 and was deeply moved by it. he also knew the complete libretto earlier than he made it appear for dramatic effect in ecce homo.

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Good idea!
youtube.com/watch?v=uY2hsTpWA78

From a theory standpoint he was pretty great, but his orchestrations are terrible and heavy handed, the subtlety he shows in his harmony is lost behind the sound of an orchestra screaming.

>mainstream
He was a cunt though, you got that right.

He was blown away by the music of Parsifal. Called it Wagner's best work in a private letter to Peter Gast.

>tfw can't into music

What is your favourite work user?

Judaism in Music? Short read.

Lol his "works" were literally a bunch of anti-semitic shitposts under the totally creative pseudonym of "Freidenk", literally "freethink". The guy was basically /pol/ of his time. Kind of tragic that he was a musical genious.

Parsifal. But Das Rheingold is the best introduction to Wagner I believe.

I really think his music is the greatest ever conceived by the human imagination. There's some metaphysical quality in his best work that's absent in all other music, especially that of the jazz/blues lineage which is ubiquitous today.

only true of the early operas like rienzi and flying dutchman. the infamous meistersinger forte was rpobably meant for weaker orchestras of the time and conductors usually dont follow the original forte indications.
wagner was aware of early mistakes and wanted to re-orchestrate flying dutchman to make it fit the more delicate bayreuth conditions.

>peter gast
youtube.com/watch?v=nAG54sc0KxI

>he's the next mozart, and i have discovered him
>"the lion of venice" will roar on all stages and will be considered a masterpiece like carmen
t. neetzsche

I ask the question of people around me. If Islam denies the use of musical instruments, and of it has done that since its inception. Then why has Islam no been able to overcome the perfection that true European Christianity has to offer. The perfect man, vs the (I’m)perfect. Let’s leave it there

I had The Ring Cycle in mind when I typed that, so not exactly early works.

youtu.be/locW-9S00VU
There is only one religion. Wake up anons.

mh in that case stuff like valkyrie 3rd act are intentionally meant to be superloud and physically unbearable because of wotan's fate. but they are still rare.

I prefer listening to the Liszt transcriptions

Damn that terrible

daaaaaaa dadadada daa daa daa daa daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>but his orchestrations are terrible and heavy handed
no. you're thinking of Chopin

I do not think you know what orchestration is, I can not really tell. Being loud at times is not a bad thing, it is needed for contrast, it is not a sign of heavy handedness or a lack of subtly. Orchestration is writing for the orchestra, deciding which instruments play what parts, how the harmony is spread throughout the orchestra as a whole, when parts of the orchestra should rest or play, etc.

Do not think he had much interest in orchestration, or he knew he sucked at it, think he has all of two pieces with orchestra, bulk of his work is solo piano with a small amount for two or three instruments.

i know, critics have often written that he tended to stay in fringes of instrumental ranges or paired instruments unusually, to baffle unprepared traditional listeners, that it was only a cheap effect. but his manner of orchestration had the biggest influence on the sound of popular film soundtracks and this lasting impact proves critics wrong.
and btw wagner himself thought it was his biggest strength out of all his composing skills. he admitted that the music would lose most of its impression without it. and unlike other opera/symphony composers he never delegated orchestration to assistants.

Prelide to act 3 is more like
>duh duh duhhhduhhhhhhhh (DUHHH! DUHHH!)

>lasting impact proves critics wrong.
It does not prove anything and I would say most movie soundtracks also are heavy handed and lack subtlety, but so do most movies.

No one argues he has not had a lasting impact, his work with harmony ushered in the impressionists and set the groundwork for atonality, his orchestration had little impact on the future of classical music, and no, film scores are not classical music, which has no bearing on its quality, they are just separate.

It’s a common occurence in Wager’s operas derived from Schopenhauer’s aesthetics.

Read his librettos
Arias are shit

Alfred Brendel essay: ‘Wilhelm Furtwängler’

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>mfw I have to listen to another pleb who speaks about symbolism, impressionism, romanticism, or any other styles in European art, all of which Wagner created, and he replies in the negative when I ask him if he knows his Wagner

>mfw people reading Nietzsche or Wilde or Rilke or literally anyone without knowing their Wagner

Charles Baudelaire, Stéphane Mallarmé and Paul Verlaine worshipped Wagner.[214] Édouard Dujardin, whose influential novel Les Lauriers sont coupés is in the form of an interior monologue inspired by Wagnerian music, founded a journal dedicated to Wagner, La Revue Wagnérienne, to which J. K. Huysmans and Téodor de Wyzewa contributed.[215] In a list of major cultural figures influenced by Wagner, Bryan Magee includes D. H. Lawrence, Aubrey Beardsley, Romain Rolland, Gérard de Nerval, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, Rainer Maria Rilke and numerous others.[216]

In the 20th century, W. H. Auden once called Wagner "perhaps the greatest genius that ever lived",[217] while Thomas Mann[213] and Marcel Proust[218] were heavily influenced by him and discussed Wagner in their novels. He is also discussed in some of the works of James Joyce.[219] Wagnerian themes inhabit T. S. Eliot's The Waste Land, which contains lines from Tristan und Isolde and Götterdämmerung and Verlaine's poem on Parsifal.[220]

Many of Wagner's concepts, including his speculation about dreams, predated their investigation by Sigmund Freud.[221] Wagner had publicly analysed the Oedipus myth before Freud was born in terms of its psychological significance, insisting that incestuous desires are natural and normal, and perceptively exhibiting the relationship between sexuality and anxiety.[222] Georg Groddeck considered the Ring as the first manual of psychoanalysis.[223]

Do you need any more proof? This man and his music dramas are at the height of European culture. He's considered to be equal to Shakespeare and Aeschylus, yet plebs like to pretend they can ignore him.

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>tfw leitmotiv
youtu.be/yzVkzQnmIMs

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He had a neckbeard

your first line has an extra "ba"

No he had it right, there's an eighth note pickup to the downbeat the first time the motif is played

brendel is so good