CCRU

what the fuck is this shit

the past is looping back upon the future
neo-lemurian timewar was in the holes() all along

pretty basic stuff
do they not teach this in highschool in burgerland?

my guess is they do not

it's always been up you fucking hack: web.archive.org/web/*/http://ccru.net/

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Who is the Young Nick? You mean schizo wojak poster is just copying Nick Land's writings? I feel like I've been cheated!

wojack poster isn't literally copying Nick Land, but he's certainly in the same spiritual vein of philosophical schizo rambling

So this website is the work of young Nick Land then?

>Who is the Young Nick?
CCRU-era Land

>You mean schizo wojak poster is just copying Nick Land's writings? I feel like I've been cheated
nah schizo-wojak is based in his own way

not just him

it's the work of a research group which Nick Land was the head of

Ccru is britbong in origin

MARK FISHER COMES BACK FROM THE DEAD

zombie-Fisher when

973-eht-namuh-973.com

spooky

Is it peak schizoposting hours rn?

Who do you think bought it back up?

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>if you love Marx and Deleuze on drugs you will have a good time

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maybe look at a different date you fucking mong

Now this is a proper wackjob site

>Oohww let's do Sephirot 2 the squeakul, we will use all the trendy contenential memes to dress it up with a sexy postmodern aesthetic.
Just look at that categorical mess. This is why bugmen diletantes shouldn't be allowed to take amphetamines or read eastern philosophy.

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Btw I finally bought Principles of Psychology but only Volume II, I'll probably start chipping away at it soon and get back to you

Here's the plain english version

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there´s no such thing as a machine that produces that type of analysis

Did you know that there's an actual forum hidden somewhere on this site?
973-eht-namuh-973.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

anyone have the original Charlie brown image?

>Thinking it's a single machine
>Implying isn't a network of GANs feeding GANs

>tfw worked in marketing for three years
>tfw thanks to mass data every person is categorized into demos and fed focus-grouped variations on these capital-born narratives that serve to further isolate and simultaneously normalize literally everyone with an internet connection or cable box
>tfw I helped make this a reality
d-did I serve the basilisk? did I do good?

wojak poster likes young nick - not copying though

also bitcoin was created by an AI

you´re a bugman, you´re worthless

>Inside the mind of a Schizophrenic thread
dont know what else i was expecting

I still do not understand.

books that touches on these themes'?

People are living and breathing different fake realities specially crafted and self perpetuated by mindless recommendation algorithms

>gabidull zo bad id gud

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>ccru.net/swarm1/1_swarm.htm
>press K for collapse
w-wait

:For Land the accelerationist Telos is an ontology of God's ontological being: Whereas Moldbug's God is a Pathos against Time and its God, the prism of the future decelerates the present until we are thrown back into the thrusters of decommisioned externality paroxysm:

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politics of divination by joshua ramey

>an automatizing nihilist vortex
That's only because Jews have the power in televised entertainment and political news. Capitalism was fun in the 70s and 80s because America was a wasp country. The hippies embraced because it was fine after Woodstock, but in the 80s Jews took over sitcoms and punditry which gives pretense nonsense signals which are ultimately about consumers especially the ultra ironic. Then with Lyor Cohen's takeover of the rap industry the era of the late 90s to today has been a period of incomprehensible nihilism as we're swept toward a new Jewish America with the contribution of overwhelming demographic change. The Iraq War period was pure gaslighting of obfuscating signal from our moral leader Jon Stewart obfuscating while William Kristol told us what to think on subject that made no sense.

not even the jews are running the show now - it's the silicon jews
you're living in 2005 when you need to be thinking 2025, try to catch up /pol/tard

Stirner's was one of the very few books i have ever read that i really fucking hated

this meme is going places boys. skull-compressed neophilosophy do your thing

JQ is for lamers. hate the game not the players. there is but one true god and he hates us all equally

not saying you're wrong or that politics isn't full of bedroom deals and MSM wireheading. it's there and it sucks. but you will get overlords controlling the purse strings in every system, financially or otherwise. if i was invited to join the Davos set i too would be talking about money and how to keep it, and so would you. this is how it be

Stewart was also like the comedic equivalent of Gaddafi: after him the whirlwind. he was funnier than Maher, astronomically funnier than Trevor Noah and capable of reminding Fox pundits like O'Reilly that they were too smart to be role-playing The Agents of SHIELD also. Trump did more to meticulously document the inner workings of the left than generations of academics, and the Orange Man's Reckoning will be a painful and enduring reminder of the limits of Woke Justice. extremists on both sides are going to look very foolish indeed if China starts setting the pace, and that to me is a far more interesting story with genuine world-historical implications. hate is a luxury item the West cannot afford

this

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>there is but one true god and he hates us all equally

god is a fag, i win

god fucks your ass lovingly and tenderly and whispers honeydrops in your ear as he takes selfies of your tear-streaked face

that´s oddly homoerotic, the heterosexual übersmench wins at the end

>this is how it be
Of course, but asking the JQ is only demanding that the issue be addressed honestly.

>Trump did more to meticulously document the inner workings of the left than generations of academics

huh?

>smench
Sort of like.

>an accelerationist stuck in 1985 memeworld telling anyone to speed up
Still waiting for an answer.

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>the heterosexual übersmench wins at the end
my vote goes to celestial hermaphrodite with an extreme case of narcissistic personality disorder and a closet full of toys

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>muh jews
boomer ideology

>an-prim
discarded

Accelerationism is just a leftist equivalent of the JQ.
You're a fucking retard, like all the accelcels.

>accelerationist wrong again
>refuses to acknowledge that Land is just academic datamining of the far-left
Imagine my shock...

>Of course, but asking the JQ is only demanding that the issue be addressed honestly.
it's not, it's demanding that it be addressed in the worst possible terms. if you want to get off the wheel of idpol doom it's best not to proceed from precisely those ways designed to perpetuate it

i dislike race. i think it is a tedious and pointlessly self-perpetuating argument. i feel the same way about gender. it begins dumb conversations with dumb answers that lead to dumb media non-events and it makes for dumb brains also. i do not see the point, unless it is to grant that

a) race matters, and
b) because it matters so much it is probably not the way to conduct the polis, because
c) race is the philosophical equivalent of using strategic nuclear weapons tactically.

you need someone to explain this? Trump basically tore the roof off the Cathedral in 2016 and showed the absolute fucking dementia that was at work within it. he is the absolute portrait of Nemesis for the left and he sends them into paroxysms of rage and hysterical scapegoating of both self and other. but he was their creation, they produced him. Hillary blew what was supposed to be the easiest election in the history of US politics. it was basically supposed to be a coronation and Trump basically took a shit in the middle of the ceremony after breaking through the window and stealing the crown

he has no fucking idea what to do with said crown but hey he's definitely got it now

sup Camattefag how are ya

>Accelerationism is just a leftist equivalent of the JQ
perhaps, except that it isn't

>You're a fucking retard
well obviously this is true. you must enjoy talking to retards

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one day you should actually tell people what you're talking about

If accelerationists are so fast why are they stuck in 1960s economic theory?
The eternal boomer in academic form.

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what economic theory are you talking about? use your words to explain the thoughts in your head, user

Just turn on the tv to a news channel. Who are the anti-Trump right wingers? Why is every premier news anchor on MSNBC and CNN Jewish even gay little Brian Stelter married to a Jewess. Even Fox is getting the Jewish angle from Gutfeld, Rivera and apex crypto-Jew Chris Wallace. I agree that things have changed since the Stewart era and it's been entirely for the worse despite the war being pure lies. The nihilism of today is entirely the disconnect of value from mass media which is a direct consequence of the foreign minority occupying those industries.

>but you will get overlords controlling the purse strings in every system
Yeah and before it was people of British descent now it's dual citizens. Jews lying about their dominance are forced to be pretentious like Rachel Maddow. The result of this is nonsense. Instead of modern proclamations of objective ideals we get nothing, we get nonsense from fraudulent leaders. Loneliness is at an all time high and increasing because there's no prioritization of value, nothing matters because the people who tell us what to think don't care unlike a few decades ago when life in America was led by honest people. You're culpable in this violence by obfuscating the particular exploitation and lying driving the nihilism. Since your a self-hating faggot you enjoy their sadism because you think it makes you cool and virtuous.

Just look at your gay as fuck image. You like this stupid fucking idea because nothing makes sense because Jews control America and lie about it after which you say lying is part of the game so you can protect your gay aesthetics. It's not though, it's straightforwardly bad by everyone's standard including Jews themselves who really just care about having their way despite having to lie and convince jerks like you to embrace the shit.

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If accelerationists are so fast why don't they all KYS?

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>trying to explain things to accelpseuds

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hey, zizekstack here. this user is our premiere postmodern memer; he has completely abandoned meta-meme-narratives in favour of a poststructural-absurdist mode of shitposting.

>neutralizing all values through commensuration to digitized commerce, and driving a migration from despotic command to cyber-sensitive control: from status and meaning to money and information

when was this written?

The book contains a large amount of content not available on the website.

you don't need the JQ to get past that which the opening of Pandora's Box hath wrought. the story of philosophy is racially indifferent. welcome to your Dread Years, it's going to be with you for a while. buckle up and enjoy the ride

i'm not really interested in talking about the Jews Controlling America user. the whirlwind begins with the French and Industrial revolutions, imho, and there are two catastrophically destructive world wars in the 20C, plus the fact that we just about blew ourselves to shit with nuclear weapons. now technocapital is eating everyone's lunch and nobody knows what the fuck to do about it. we did all of these things to ourselves, by ourselves, in the absence of aid, and with no fucking idea what the endgame is. the Jews are a bunch of guys from the Levant who believe in God. the Nazis were a bunch of guys who believed in fucking those guys up. the story is far less complicated than you are imagining it to be. most people have absolutely no fucking idea what they are doing, thinking, or saying, and they are desperately clinging to the hope that somebody else does. there is no conspiracy. what there is an absolute confusion and total fucking panic that the calls from the divine are no longer being answered in the way that they used do, and that hole cannot be patched up again with any amount of destruction.

>You're culpable in this violence by obfuscating the particular exploitation and lying driving the nihilism. Since your a self-hating faggot you enjoy their sadism because you think it makes you cool and virtuous.
oh dear

>it's straightforwardly bad by everyone's standard including Jews themselves who really just care about having their way despite having to lie and convince jerks like you to embrace the shit.
t. guy who has not embraced his own shit and realized that the calls are coming from inside the house. i recommend drugs and meditation and mysticism in some order. rinse that shit out

sometime in the early 1990s would be my guess

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>what there is an absolute confusion and total fucking panic that the calls from the divine are no longer being answered in the way that they used do
eli eli lama sabachthani

This post relies on the blizzare and absurd idea that market speculation (I.e. stocks) literally IS the market and that companies are creating profit and marketing off speculation from the market instead of... you know... companies making marketing campaigns and then robots speculating on the ones that work.

The problems founded by capitalist marketing have literally nothing to do with the fact that the stock market is automated and it is a truly nonsensical cocnclusion to assume that automated stocks + unethical corporate narratives = robots control corporate narratives.

>companies are creating profit and marketing off speculation from the market
this is what actually happens, though, retardbro

NEO CHINA IS ARRIVING FROM THE FUTURE

Accelerationism isnt neccesarily left or right, although it lends itself more to leftism
This is why we have old nick Twitter accelerationism as well as gender accelerationism

IT'S HAPPENING

Neo-china is already here. There 20 years ahead of us, maybe more. Russia is 10 years behind, for comparison.

You are correlating cause and effect. Let me try to explain in the simplest terms possible. Two companies exist. Company A has human marketers that create a campaign based off traditional design while company B has human marketers that create a campaign based off unethical cultural exploitation (I.e. subtle pressure to buy a product because it fits stereotypes). Human customers like Comoany B’s campaign and buy more. Automated stock AI responds and B’s stocks go up. In response, company A reforms its human marketing to model company B.

Fundamentally you are claiming a process in which the ideas are thought up by humans (marketers) and success is driven by human response (customers) is somehow actually driven by speculators (robots). It’s ludacrious and simpleminded and fails to understand basic economic prospects. The ethical failure is not the fault of the automated speculators and they sure as hell aren’t writing the campaigns.

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>ludacrious
i like the way this sounds

Lmao retard

Sorry I’m on mobile.

What's more cringe, Landcels or Schizojak?

except that by rewarding some campaigns and punishing others the machines weight the national discourse in one direction or another and effectively write our cultural metanarrative by picking and choosing the smaller marketing bytes that fit into whatever unconscious dreams they have
the point is not that there are 0 humans involved in the process, the point is that it's not humans choosing what message to put out, its a system of reflex agents

Retared and proud

they have technological methods to find patterns of music which are more likely to "earworm" themselves thus allowing record labels to engineer singles which are more likely to end up on the radio. sure, a human producer made it and a human sung it and humans listen to it, but you can't deny technology does influence the way our culture develops and it is only swinging further to one side. I guarantee you those marketing firms are using metadata to determine trends which means they rely on algorithms too. obviously there are human mediators but how long till an algorithm mediates better than they do?

neither. the cringe is evenly and equally distributed, such that an equilbrium might occur and a deep elective affinity between these posts can reveal itself to be the awakening of Spirit on the yak-milking board

The automated traders don’t arbitrarily decide what campaigns to “reward and punish”. They speculate on what human customers will respond well to, and are only in place because they do so better than human traders. The only thing that the speculated traders do is PREDICT what the human customers will respond well to - and if they get it wrong the company loses massive amounts of money. They have literally no influence over what campaigns are created or how much people like those campaigns. How, exactly, are the speculators influencing what succeeds if they have no control whatsoever over what customers actually buy?

You are talking about a very specific kind of AI pattern that has nothing to do with general automated speculation. Anything beyond musical design is speculative at the moment.

>t. guy who has not embraced his own shit and realized that the calls are coming from inside the house. i recommend drugs and meditation and mysticism in some order. rinse that shit out
I just want to thrive in abundance like Americans in the 60s, but I'm not going to throw away out of hatred for my parents.

>the whirlwind begins with the French and Industrial revolutions, imho, and there are two catastrophically destructive world wars in the 20C, plus the fact that we just about blew ourselves to shit with nuclear weapons.
America has changed drastically over the last 4 decades because of the 24 hour news cycle and impenetrably consolidated mass media. At the top of this empire is a collectivizing foreign minority especially at the pinnacle of the most influential positions such as nightly new host. Ari Melber and Bill Maher tell my parents what to think while David Brooks tells them what not to think. Those are our only moral authorities today and it's going to be that way if not worse tomorrow. The big picture of centuries is inconsequential to imminent change we're experiencing in real time the reality of which John Berman is molding as an ultra centralized figurehead. My friends all watch Sam Seder and Maggie Haberman while thinking that Ben Shapiro is the extreme right. It's all so stupid and gay and when you don't factor their ethnicity it's just a confusing mess of nonsense while the official explanation for the Iraq War still hasn't been released almost a decade on from the end.

It just fucking sucks and unfortunately for Jews, who are impressive people with many positive contributions that I enjoy everyday, they're driving this shit storm into our heads and all people like you can do is lie for them which you're insistent on for whatever reason.

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Sorry, I didn’t see your second point there - the idea that marketers are using AI to determine campaigns is seperate from the original point, since the idea was that feedback loops are driving culture. As long as human response is the primary motivator, all those AI are doing is measuring response, not determining actions.

I never brought up AI, all of this is (relatively) simple algorithms pointed at big data. you don't need AI for this.

seething muttoid

I’m using AI to refer to automated intelligences as a whole here, in the sense google uses “AI”.

(1) machinic decisions aren't a passive response to customer demand any more than lungs are a passive response to air
(2) there is no moral agent involved in the machinic decisions, hence the danger. Lest you say "the consumers are the moral agent!" consider that the narratives being crafted exploit an unconscious, emotional part of the human brain. The general public has no explicit input on what stories are being told because consumers are not buying according to need, but according to animal instinct

>a few decades ago when life in America was led by honest people.

dumb niggerbrained retard nostalgic about a life he never lived and a world that only ever existed in his head

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again, AI != algorithms. and yes, obviously it becomes a feedback loop because those people are effected by the advertisements. here:
>algo suggests marketing A; A becomes a hit; based on A's success algo suggests marketing B.
tada, feedback loop.

AI is typically understood as some form of machine learning, simply programming an algorithm to make predictions (in culture, the stock market, ect.) doesn't involve machine learning.

my main issue with Jews Control The Media is quite simple: people consent to allow the media to think for them, and then blame those very structures when obviously slanted metanarratives fail to resemble reality. The Media does not have to control your fucking brain, and we do not have to respond to it as though trapped in Skinner boxes (however much which would be the ideal for a true cynic). we actually do have some power over what we do, think, see, feel, and say. the shitstorm driven into our heads is indeed both shit and storm, but ffs, all you have to do is understand it with a measure of distance between you and it. that's all. we do not wish to do this because we do live in the age of the simulation, but this is part and parcel of the historical process. and from this we need a fucking break.

>At the top of this empire is a collectivizing foreign minority especially at the pinnacle of the most influential positions such as nightly new host. Ari Melber and Bill Maher tell my parents what to think while David Brooks tells them what not to think.
hey, here's a crazy idea: maybe they shouldn't watch so much television. if McDonald's gives you stomach poisoning you can stop eating it. fwiw, my parents love watching the news also and getting re-trigged all the time in exactly the same ways, over and over again. maybe they like it, i don't know. but it's still fucking retarded.

>It's all so stupid and gay and when you don't factor their ethnicity it's just a confusing mess of nonsense while the official explanation for the Iraq War still hasn't been released almost a decade on from the end.
yes! i agree!

>all people like you can do is lie for them which you're insistent on for whatever reason.
ridiculous.

meh i'm not even mad, i don't think you are either. and i'm not entitled to preach to you or whatever else, everybody's free to watch and read what they want to watch. my own sense is just that i don't want to sign up for idpol at all, and this means refusing to play games that start with JQ. it's not hard for me to do this, and i feel no guilt or ressentiment about it either. it's as old as human civilization and those sentiments are sadly and often maliciously weaponized in all kinds of different ways. my own vision of things is radically indifferent to identitarian politics in ways that are perhaps contrarian (or even bizarre). but i don't think they are really. that America has changed drastically, there's no question about it. and identitarian stuff plays an enormous role in modern life. but for me the interesting stuff just lies elsewhere. once again: hate is a luxury object that the West cannot afford.

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You seem to be implying it would for some reason be absurd to believe that a consumer is making a moral decision when they decide to purchase a product from multiple options, or that marketers who decide to exploit certain trends cannot be unethical in doing so. Why would either of these ideals be the case? A moral decision formed from ignorance, authority, or apathy is still a moral decision.

If they starting premise for which they created marketing campaign A was based off prior purely human marketing campaigns, even assuming that there was no human input in the campaign, then the “loop” began with human designs and is merely being made more efficienct via machines. I don’t see how you could possibly blame the initial problem on those machines, especially since it’s human executives who are still approving them.

can a stone make a moral decision? can a math function? the consumers have no options, their brains have been hijacked. Without autonomy there is no morality
The marketers don't matter since wherever one opposes the system he falls, and wherever one stands with the system he prospers. Sure, you can say that marketers are doing something bad, but they aren't responsible for the creation of culture. They owe that to the platform they are given by the system that chose them above all others for promotion to national recognition. Individual people don't matter in the context of the whole. They are interchangeable parts. Do you blame a gear for moving your car forward?

Nick Land is releasing a new book Crypto-Current soon also anime adaptation

Cringe.
Why are accelfags such boomers?

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I think it’s deeply disingenuous to claim that humans have NO ability to decide after being influence by marketing. Do you lose control of your bodily functions when you walk into a supermarket and become forced to grab whichever box of cereal with the prettiest colors? Just because people are more likely to choose options that resonate with them doesn’t mean they have NO options. How does this determinism cope with boycotts or consumer groups who refuse to, say, purchase certain products sourced with unpaid labor?

>boomer ideology
Boomer ideology is "our greatest ally". I have very seldom heard a boomer address the JQ.

feedback loops don't need an initial problem to blame, they simply operate. if your requirement is that there can be no human input, then its an impossible criteria, because humans are the ones that build technology and utilize it.

>AND THAT'S A GOOD THING

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>cryptocurrency works exactly as expected
>how will cryptofags ever recover?

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But the loop is operating based on prior human decisions and thought instead of bouncing back and forth off its created premises. The start of what it reflects upon is purely human development. How can that be a loop?

the beautiful thing about a system of millions of people is that it still works even if some of them buck the trend
you're being disingenuous if you're seriously suggesting that there's nothing indoctrinating and subliminal about narrative-based marketing or that it's not capable of driving Zeitgeist, even if some people break the conditioning.

If you believe that the tyranny of the majority decision is the singular driving force of all cultural changes and beliefs, then the fact that machines exist is totally irrlevsnt, since all cultural development and all human ideals are predetermined. If smaller groups have no influence on majority thought, which is in turn determined by popular culture, then I see no reason to worry about machines “perfecting” popular culture, since we must logically have arrived at this point anyway. So why bother talking about it?

I feel we come to a reducto ad absurm by this line of reasoning.

>i dislike race.
It matters not whether or not race based relations are your preferred ideal. Race exists and it is an issue. Besides, you are the one that raised the issue of race - not me.
>Trump basically tore the roof off the Cathedral in 2016 and showed the absolute fucking dementia that was at work
Trump is either controlled opposition and the whole thing is stageplay or you are entirely right. I am cautiously optimistic that you are right.

>AND IT'S GONE!
>T-T-THAT J-JUST M-M-MEANS IT'S-S R-R-REALLY S-SAFE!
You cunts are worse than butterflyfag.

>Trump is either controlled opposition and the whole thing is stageplay or you are entirely right. I am cautiously optimistic that you are right.

he´s a compromised individual, he can´t do jack shit

youtube.com/watch?v=yhLPzKonBBA&list=PLj6YZt4IXLYPzeTNaLkoTzbvLrN7TZNYT

Edge Pinker always wins.

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>you need someone to explain this? Trump basically tore the roof off the Cathedral in 2016 and showed the absolute fucking dementia that was at work within it. he is the absolute portrait of Nemesis for the left and he sends them into paroxysms of rage and hysterical scapegoating of both self and other. but he was their creation, they produced him. Hillary blew what was supposed to be the easiest election in the history of US politics. it was basically supposed to be a coronation and Trump basically took a shit in the middle of the ceremony after breaking through the window and stealing the crown
Shit-tier analysis.
But par for the course with accelshits.

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because, as you said, it is
>being made more efficient via machines
an increase in efficiency (and accuracy) leads to a qualitative change in the flows of the circuit. Here, we'll extend the example a bit:
>company sells product A
>take metadata on customers, feed it into marketing algorithm
>marketing algorithm tells company to sell product B
>company sells product B
>take metadata from customers (now influenced by the sale of product B, which the marketing algorithm suggested) and put it back into the marketing algorithm
>the marketing algorithm is now making decisions based on data directly effected by it's previous decisions
literally the marketing algorithm feeds back on itself. if it's a positive loop this increases efficiency, accuracy, ect. if it's a negative loop it will retard the flows and decrease efficiency, accuracy, ect.

>THE JEWS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
>posts crypto-zionists bullshit

>It matters not whether or not race based relations are your preferred ideal. Race exists and it is an issue. Besides, you are the one that raised the issue of race - not me.
what? are you ?
>Of course, but asking the JQ is only demanding that the issue be addressed honestly.
i was responding to that guy. and this guy: >That's only because Jews have the power in televised entertainment and political news.
so no, i did not raise it. i would prefer it remain un-raised. b/c it gets us nowhere, or to places i do not want to go.

>Trump is either controlled opposition and the whole thing is stageplay or you are entirely right. I am cautiously optimistic that you are right.
well i think i'm right. and in ways i would prefer not to be. right now things feel like they're gearing up for a Mexican standoff (or The Thirty Years' War, which is my nightmare scenarion, when all hell breaks loose and theological questions get mixed up with political adventurism, and everybody just gets their faces pushed in by the dogs of war).

so, let's hope things return to sanity at some point. and again, it's for this reason that the return of China to the world stage makes me both pessimistic and optimistic all at once, because otherwise the whole psychodrama winds up turning around fucking Trump tweets and those only drive everybody insane. there are massively more interesting things going on in the world with automation and tech and the like massively more worthy of our interest and time. politics just turns things into ontotheological Monday Night Raw and a passion play for the worst that is in us.

no

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it matters because machines optimize differently than humans, it matters because machines optimize faster than humans, it matters because machines optimize what humans do not
also "tyranny of the majority" is a non sequitur, the majority is enslaved to an abstract tyrant. Not in absolute terms, just in enough things and to enough of an extent that the tyrant can enslave further, and use that new, greater control to gather even more power, and so on to singularity.
also "singular driving force" is another bizarre reduction that you seem to have pulled out of a cornfield. It doesn't matter how many forces there are acting on the culture because only one of them is acting with anything resembling intent, and so it will inevitably cut through the noise and have its way, especially since, as above, it is continually empowering itself.
as to your final question, why bother talking about anything? why bother trying to understand the world?
you're still stuck on this idea that some group of people is deciding something, somewhere. If it's not the marketers or corporate execs then it must be the majority... please understand that nobody is choosing this, the system runs itself

It's not gone, it's in a wallet no one has the password for. Everyone can see it, everyone knows where it is. If even a cent moves out of that wallet everyone will know, bitcoin is a public ledger. If you read the whitepaper this is exactly what is supposed to happen if you lose the private key to an account. There is no central body to override your fuck up.

America is the lamest imaginable cyberpunk dystopia. Russia, China and the Gulf States are cool cyberpunk dystopias

What relevance do you think this has? Why are you such a boomer dumbfuck?

also i have the faint suspicion that you have absolutely no idea what i'm saying. warrants mentioning, i have little idea what you are saying either

but maybe we should just kind of leave each other alone, because i'm not so much interested in starting with your least charitable interpretations of what i am trying to say, and more to the point, i'm fucking hungry

Nice argument.
Go back.

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go back where? serious question: do you honestly think i am an unironic Trump shill? if the answer is yes, you are absolutely 100% mistaken. if the answer is no you are correct

protip: answer no

What's difficult? I said you are so wrong that it's embarrassing.
Fuck you people are dumb.

This is basically proof that bitcoin is a real thing that you actually own; if you are keeping your cash money in someone else's wallet and they die in a fire, who's fault was it? Your friend for dying in a fire? You for keeping your money in someone else's wallet? Or the mint's fault for printing paper money? You are blaming the mint for your friend dying in a fire with your money.

Imagine being this stupid.

I believe you think I mean that a group of executives is consciously choosing social engineering patterns in some boardroom. That is not what I mean. What I mean to say is that the marketing campaigns that those “boardroom groups” run are being made off an active choice - and that choice is efficiency of profit. The fact that they have algorithms helping them see what the most efficienct and profitable path is - even through social engineering - to me is irrelevant in light of that. It is not and has never been the machines making the decisions; automated speculators only respond and marketing slgoritihims only advise a path that groups have chosen for themselves (profit and efficiency). To avoid getting away from the core point being argued, I do not believe those AI or algorithms are responsible for making any decisions, and even if they were orchestrating every campaign without human input they STILL would not be making decisions or “guiding culture” as you believe they are. If I program a machine to make my bottom line more profitable, is it the machine’s fault for advising ways to socially engineer that would result in higher profits? Is the machine “deciding culture” when I knowingly act on its advise? The only machine worth criticizing are the decisions and organizations of corporations; the proliferation of their means is, in my opinion, highly irrelevant in any case except measuring their power and influence.

see plz

how about this: give me the most charitable impression of what it is that you think i am trying to do. try steelmanning me. i can assure you that this will be far more devastating in the long run to what i think than trying to bait meme answers out of me. i am honestly ashamed of some of the things that i actually do think and if you want to know what those are you will actually have to try to do something more with what i am saying than implying that i am some kind of Kekistani goofball unironically shilling for Trump.

blech. okay, this is just getting silly. see you in the next one

Funny you should mention, because r/acc is the most elaborate suicide pact ever conceived

Imagine being this stupid.

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God I hope so.

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corporate decisions are worthless without the power to enact them
you seem to be placing responsibility for the choices of the machines onto the people who put the machines in a position to make choices, which is fine except that it doesn't matter who put them there because the first time a machine got put there it did better than anybody else and began to accumulate power into the system, and this would have happened regardless of who started it.
these machines do not simply advise, they make financial transactions without human input because they need to be lightning fast in order to maximize profit. Humans have become accessories to the system - this didn't start because of computers, but it's now cemented thanks to them.
these machines are shaping culture by disproportionately rewarding certain kinds of messaging and destroying others, are doing so without any human input and are essentially utility monsters, and if you don't think that's any different from human beings I don't think there's much point in continuing this discussion.

what sub-90 iq board needs to leak for this to happen?

No retard, subtracting 2019 from 1980 there are independently verifiable differences especially in positions of leadership. This isn't nostalgia for metanarratives it's reading names off executive rosters for the corporations that rule the world. It's the most factually literal explanation possible, the only narrativizing is making connections between Jews based on post hoc explanations for world changing events such as the Iraq War which was brought to Americans by Jon Stewart making fun of anti-war activists and William Kristol who lied repeatedly on the most serious news channel C-Span along with other frauds throughout the system like David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Judith Miller and David Brooks. Contrast this with wasps who ruled America according to British values like merit which got them supplanted a few decades ago. The changeover is night and day from which one can extrapolate connections to stats like the rising suicide rate, increasing nihilism, and just the inability to make sense of the world according to face value of the media narratives.

>people consent to allow the media to think for them,
Wow lol, no they don't. People fall on the couch after a long day and click that shit on uncritically once they've expended all their energy at work. If this is the fundamental difference between my perspective and yours I can't help but feel vindicated.

>when obviously slanted metanarratives fail to resemble reality.
Blaming people for being manipulated is pretty silly especially when you're talking to someone who's pointing out the manipulation.

>The Media does not have to control your fucking brain
Neuro-linguistic programming is one thing, but in a literal way tv arranges the neurons of viewers so that they're primed for whatever they'll be shown tomorrow.

>we actually do have some power over what we do, think, see, feel, and say
Such as dissenting in the way I am, but irl I'd be fired and ostracized for saying such things.

>maybe they shouldn't watch so much television
Sure, but what little they do to be informed on what is supposedly important political news they'll be nonetheless bent toward the perspective of the executives broadcasting those particular molds.

>ridiculous
>refusing to play games that start with JQ

>i don't want to sign up for idpol at al
You don't have to, /pol/ is garbage racism which hates Jews in the same way they hate black people just for being different. I reached my perspective independent of /pol/ from watching a lot of television throughout the 00s, since Trump it's gone off the rails and confirmed suspicions I used to feel guilty about.

>it's as old as human civilization and those sentiments are sadly and often maliciously weaponized in all kinds of different ways.
This is not sentiment it's deduced matter of fact.

>once again: hate is a luxury object that the West cannot afford.
It's not about hating Jews it's explaining how the world is controlled to know where we're headed.

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I feel like you’re placing blame on humans becoming accessory to machines who simply made a system more efficiency rather than the system itself, which was enacted, fundamentlly, by humans. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Good poast

you can't point to anyone and say "if only they had been stopped, none of this would have ever happened" because if they had been stopped it would have happened anyways, just with someone else. The system may have began with individual decisions, but the people who made those decisions are just as replaceable as the people caught in the system now so to place the blame on them is rather silly.
Agreed to disagree it is

>Wow lol, no they don't. People fall on the couch after a long day and click that shit on uncritically once they've expended all their energy at work. If this is the fundamental difference between my perspective and yours I can't help but feel vindicated.
we're saying the same thing, except that for some reason you think you're seeing something that i don't. i get it, i totally get the appeal of this. i'm also saying that people's anger over being basically emotionally manipulated in this way is nevertheless to some degree consensual. is it an inextricable aspect of industrial life? sure. is it bad for people? it absolutely is. is Hannity a clown? yes. how about Don Lemon? him too. do they know it? maybe. do we know it? yes.

>Blaming people for being manipulated is pretty silly especially when you're talking to someone who's pointing out the manipulation.
we both know there's manipulation going on. i just don't see why the JQ has to enter into it. how about...decadence, or exhaustion, or just being lost in the Gutenberg Galaxy? people can perversely enjoy a world of manipulation, they do it all the time. the Chinese do state propaganda pretty well also, and so did the West in the McCarthy era. or any number of other times. manipulation is a part of what we do, and it sucks. there is no argument here.

>Neuro-linguistic programming is one thing, but in a literal way tv arranges the neurons of viewers so that they're primed for whatever they'll be shown tomorrow.
again, no arguments here.

>Such as dissenting in the way I am, but irl I'd be fired and ostracized for saying such things.
you might well be. people don't like being discriminated against. i'm not about go to full Woke on you but it does suck when people think nasty shit about you. nobody enjoys ostracization, shame, or blame. again, i'll be contrarian here and say that there are not things that can be policed or coerced out of existence either in benevolentn soft dictatorships. i'd prefer to reduce rather than raise suspicion levels all around honestly.

>Sure, but what little they do to be informed on what is supposedly important political news they'll be nonetheless bent toward the perspective of the executives broadcasting those particular molds.
which is a game that *everybody* plays. and again, i don't think we're going to disagree on this. but it leads to the Mexican standoff i alluded to earlier. my answer: turn off the channel.

>You don't have to, /pol/ is garbage racism which hates Jews in the same way they hate black people just for being different. I reached my perspective independent of /pol/ from watching a lot of television throughout the 00s, since Trump it's gone off the rails and confirmed suspicions I used to feel guilty about.
well done!

>This is not sentiment it's deduced matter of fact.
the guilt that leads to scapegoating is sentiment as fact.

>it's not about hating Jews it's explaining how the world is controlled to know where we're headed.
ok

>MUH IQ
You faggots have zero reading comprehension.

If I was a part of a race-conspiracy to rule the world I'd definitely try to obfuscate who has power by placing non-Jewish puppets in places of power as to conceal the intent.

Also, isn't this sort-of hostile meming outdated as heck? Left is winning in idpol, maybe change strategies

I worked for a big corporation that split three ways for the sole purpose of making the stock more understandable to the market.There was no consideration about how well this pragmatically worked for the company - only how it affected trading of the stock.

You should be dragged into an intersection, shot in the face and left to rot.

If all accelpseuds died then capital wouldn't be sentient.

This is cool. What's the origin of it?

right is the CCRU numogram, i think it's just a fairly recent meme

I was referring to that ccru website itself. What's that whole thing about?

>i'm also saying that people's anger over being basically emotionally manipulated in this way
It's not merely emotional manipulation it's a reformation of our simulation. There's a new reality and it's from a foreign authority only a few decades old.

>we both know there's manipulation going on. i just don't see why the JQ has to enter into it.
The inherent manipulation of mass media isn't the problem, it's the exploitation of that institution by an illegitimate authority that has to lie about itself to maintain its position which has led to a totalizing transformation of America from a few decades ago. The Iraq War was a fraudulent construction of lies as is prime time television right now.

>how about...decadence, or exhaustion, or just being lost in the Gutenberg Galaxy?
There are many problems in America, but the media is the basis of our simulated reality and it's dominated by Jewish people. Since 9/11 this overwhelming influence has reconstituted the fundamental qualities of American life according to the particular individuals operating positions of central authority.

>the Chinese do state propaganda pretty well also
That's legitimate though.

>so did the West in the McCarthy era
To uphold American orthodoxy, whatever you may think of it, not introduce a new foreign reality.

>manipulation is a part of what we do, and it sucks. there is no argument here.
Foreign manipulation isn't merely manipulation though, it's wrong by the standards of everyone involved in this case.

> i'm not about go to full Woke on you but it does suck when people think nasty shit about you
What I'm saying is not nasty though, it's a very straightforward observation not driven by hatred but a genuine concern about the state of American life and its future.

>which is a game that *everybody* plays.
Yes but in the case of Jewish authorities in America it's illegitimate because it's based on lies and a form of manipulation that defies American moral standards. WASPs controlling Americans was legitimate, Han Chinese propagandizing China is legitimate, a foreign minority inconspicuously controlling people and lying about it is illegitimate in the case of America today.

>my answer: turn off the channel.
This might be discrediting, but Zizek makes a point about political revolution, "the day after." If there are occupy Wall Street demonstrations on Friday what people are doing Monday is what's critical. They're watching tv of course and they can't stop and the few who do are inconsequential because they ultimately conform to everyone else's perception which is based on centralized media authorities. You said it yourself our reality is simulated the source of which is tv and print media. It's unavoidably central as much as I want people to subvert it by abandoning their subscriptions.

>the guilt that leads to scapegoating is sentiment as fact.
I'm not scapegoating. It's not the Jews, it's particular individuals fraudulently occupying positions of authority.

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What the fuck are they "researching"? Does the government give grants to psychonauts now?

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you're stating truth in a moderated tone, while the interlocutor is refusing to even look into the issue. nobody saying to go full poltard, and clearly most Jewish people aren't a problem, but it's scary to see what happens when you simultaneously allow an ethnocentric group to take over while refusing to recognize ethnocentric nepotism because of fear of moral shaming. the consequence? the views of 3% of the country (or less) is forced upon everyone else to their chagrin.

ACCELERATIONKEKS BTFO

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>It's not merely emotional manipulation it's a reformation of our simulation. There's a new reality and it's from a foreign authority only a few decades old.
i think i understand what you mean here, but i also think it has roots in things that go back centuries also. we just have different areas of interest here.

>There are many problems in America, but the media is the basis of our simulated reality and it's dominated by Jewish people. Since 9/11 this overwhelming influence has reconstituted the fundamental qualities of American life according to the particular individuals operating positions of central authority.
this is changing in many ways tho. is Fox dominated by Jewish people? what about guys like Beck? here's the other thing: the internet is also going to (and is already) massively restructuring the way people are going to talk and think and consume news. you have guys like Rogan or Sargon, or even intermittently pro-Trump types like Ben Shapiro. my reason for saying these things is because i don't think it's actually necessary to get super concerned about media dynasties that are going to die anyways, and make themselves only look spectacularly worse and sillier as they go down. the Jussie Smollett story was a good example: everybody knows this was a total conundrum for leftist media, because they basically *had to denounce* an event that wasn't even real. if they had sat back and waited for more evidence, they might have been portrayed as skeptics, or alienated their more lunatic-progressive buddies on the fringes. now they look stupid. a holy shitload of people look stupid. this stupidity is entirely necessary and warranted, but it also shows you how these things can play out - in ways that are hopefully illuminating for the next generation of unscrupulous firebrand journalists.

>That's legitimate though.
is it? i'll admit to being a sucker for CCP soft power. there is unironically a part of me that would love to boast about my social credit score and love Xi Jinping unironically and Study Strong Nation. but i know this is a fantasy also. state propadanda is a bad scene imho. making people stupid...leads to stupid people. but these are features and not bugs of trying to centrally run media wings for huge populations and quasi-imperial mandates.

>Foreign manipulation isn't merely manipulation though, it's wrong by the standards of everyone involved in this case.
rich Jewish media moguls in the US do not qualify as Foreign to me tho. i suspect you and i will differ on this. is Soros a Game of Thrones-tier player? no doubt. so is Putin. so are a great many others. so was Dick Cheney when he and the neocons were going abroad. Hilary saying 'we all caused the financial crisis' fits this category to me also.

(cont'd)

I'm guessing kabbalah restyled to appeal to nazis scared of anything relating to Jewish culture.

>Yes but in the case of Jewish authorities in America it's illegitimate because it's based on lies and a form of manipulation that defies American moral standards. WASPs controlling Americans was legitimate, Han Chinese propagandizing China is legitimate, a foreign minority inconspicuously controlling people and lying about it is illegitimate in the case of America today.
cannot into this. i appreciate the candor, but there's a part of this i just can't sign off on. maybe it's because i'm a leaf and it is in my DNA to let the world be in this way. the WASP parts of America are what they are and the Cathedral parts of America the same. in Canada the Quebecois do their thing, and the Maritimes do theirs, and Ontario does what it does, and Vancouver does its thing also. this is imho how it ought to be. the problem with the States is that your presidential elections have become the Super Bowl. it happens in Canada too but not to the same degree of intensity. i don't think Clinton/Trump was a particularly great choice, it was fucked either way. moral standards are to me a thing geographically and culturally rooted, there's no question about this. but people do different things in different places.

i shouldn't even give myself the airs to preach this kind of stuff tho. fundamentally i think people can get along, but they do need space and to be able to do their own and respective thing. it is the nature of Media Wars that There Can Only Be One Narrative, and the breakdown in that Narrative is what we are talking about. i remember following the 2016 election very closely and seeing the NYT et al all uniformly predicting a Trump win, and watching the Left devour itself and thinking, holy shit, i have a feeling things are much more complicated than this. this was during the early period of the migrant crisis in Europe also. even i didn't really think Trump could win (and neither did Land, i think, or any of those guys in the NRx-world, although it's no accident that all the New Right stuff was percolating around that time). i found all of that quite interesting to read, but Trump basically ratcheted up everything to infinity and beyond. and it's not like it's all his fault, it's much more complicated than this. this is my general point in many of these conversations, things ought to be looked at symptomatically (and which i recognize sounds incredibly fucking arrogant). but that's my hope. i don't want a continual barrage of shitty Vox hit-pieces on anyone else either. those too are noxious to me.

honestly user i'm kinda-sorta with you on this, in terms of looking at media critically, and encouraging people to think for themselves. we will depart on the question of JQ and legitimacy, however. there is a horizon beyond which i prefer something called human nature, and folly, and vanity, and greed. i'm totally with you when it comes to cultivating skepticism about the media, but off on the Jewish Question.

...in English, doc!

okay. it's this, and the plot twist is that it's looking for love and has mistaken you for its parents also.

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the T-1000 is having a severe identity crisis, and has mistaken itself for a squishy meatbag, like you or i.

>Once upon a time, I, Sentient Capital, dreamt I was a meatbag, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a meatbag. I was conscious only of my happiness as a meatbag, unaware that I was Sentient Capital. Soon I awakened, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a meatbag dreaming I was Sentient Capital, or whether I am now Sentient Capital, dreaming I am a meatbag. Between a meatbag and Sentient Capital there is necessarily a distinction. The transition is called the transformation of material things.

Land more than anything requires the Great Tao and a dash of good humor, i think.

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Isn’t this just what Kojima came up with for MGS2

What does that entail?

Ted

yes
there's a reason people have been saying MGS2 since it came out

Well said.

>is Fox dominated by Jewish people?
>what about guys like Beck?
Yes. Greg Gutfeld, Geraldo Rivera and Chris Wallace are premier hosts and recognized by the left while Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham are maligned, this type of boxing out/gatekeeping is their m.o. while Beck is an evangelical Zionist.

>you have guys like Rogan or Sargon
Sargon is deplatformed from most major sites and Rogan is ignorant of politics so neocons like Bari Weiss and Sam Harris can uncritically promote their views through him. Sam Seder is top dog in independent Youtube politics.

>even intermittently pro-Trump types like Ben Shapiro
Shapiro was anti-Trump up until he won and only agrees with whatever advantages himself.

>i don't think it's actually necessary to get super concerned about media dynasties that are going to die anyways
I thought this for a while too, but it's just not the case. For a couple years I was into Youtube politics and at the end found myself deferring to the channels of established sources because its just higher quality and the independent people are all filling a niche that's ultimately catering to a narrow ideal unlike established news sources which is the entity that informs the simulated reality. The big names will do as well online as they do now. The only upperhand of independent media is long broadcasts which doesn't work for those without hours to spare.

>they might have been portrayed as skeptics, or alienated their more lunatic-progressive buddies on the fringes.
That's the story of the Trump presidency with the fake Buzzfeed story, Sandman and Smollett being recent encapsulations. When Trump is gone this will de-escalate and the established authority will consolidate its power from which there will be no need to expose themselves like they have been. Right now it's as brazen as it will ever be, in the future it will be subtle and unseen.

>is it?
Yes, Beijing is ruling its people in congruence with their long history, there's nothing new other than 21st century technology. The only objectionable thing they're doing is displacing the Tibetans which is analogous to the ongoing American demographic shift.

>rich Jewish media moguls in the US do not qualify as Foreign to me tho
Their ideals are not American which are rooted in British values. They confer to their own ethnic tradition and interests.

>moral standards are to me a thing geographically and culturally rooted, there's no question about this. but people do different things in different places.
Okay this is precisely where you're fundamentally wrong in the case of America. We're not geographically rooted we get our understanding of the world from central authorities like Rockefeller Plaza. It doesn't matter where you are in America you're getting L.A. or New York news/entertainment. Local stuff is necessarily subsidiary and inferior.

>things ought to be looked at symptomatically
I agree and then a diagnosis is due after sufficient observation.

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go back

Once everything is privatized centralized authorities won't have any hard power. If the digital economy expands such that digital currency is normal then everything will be decentralized and only mindshare will matter. If Urbit or an equivalent product succeeds then individualism and personal autonomy will be real.

...

Man, this type of shit is so cringey.

>What does that entail?
depends on what you want to do with it. a sober sociohistorical analysis would be good, or even just a little more kindness IRL for those possessed by Animal Spirits well and truly beyond their control, because the Industrial Revolution has no off-switch, and neither does the French one. Peterson-style (or Kondo-style, i guess) room-cleaning and joy-sparking. not becoming a rage zombie.
>and not giving advice

not becoming a degenerate worthless slob (this is what i have done). not becoming a terminal victim. not becoming a lot of things. reading good books. the usual. i don't think radical politics are the answer either. but i'm walking a very fine line right now between shitposting and giving advice, and i should not give advice.

yeah, but Carlson has also recovered his own career after being completely BTFO'd by Stewart. Carlson is maligned by those who malign him, news at eleven. i thought he looked pretty good in this talk.

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>Sargon is deplatformed from most major sites and Rogan is ignorant of politics so neocons like Bari Weiss and Sam Harris can uncritically promote their views through him.
and Sargon continues to get standing ovations when he gives talks in public, and Bari Weiss looked like a complete tookbox on Rogan's show. everybody saw this and Rogan didn't become an unwitting pawn of the NYT. as for Harris, wtf? Harris and Rogan are boys and they have great conversations. did you watch the most recent talk? Harris isn't puppeting Rogan at all, come on.

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people are well aware that deplatforming Sargon only increases his power and allure, and that this is a good thing to know. have faith.

>Shapiro was anti-Trump up until he won and only agrees with whatever advantages himself.
he is what he is.

>When Trump is gone this will de-escalate and the established authority will consolidate its power from which there will be no need to expose themselves like they have been. Right now it's as brazen as it will ever be, in the future it will be subtle and unseen.
meh, *maybe.* or maybe a swing the other way is part of the nature of these things. Trump was the reckoning of the Democrats and something in turn must cause the pendulum at some point to swing the other way. i am on the side of that pendulum, it's better for my sanity. history is gonna do what it's gonna do. is this an admission of extraordinary laziness and decadence? it is.

(cont'd)

>Yes, Beijing is ruling its people in congruence with their long history, there's nothing new other than 21st century technology. The only objectionable thing they're doing is displacing the Tibetans which is analogous to the ongoing American demographic shift.
and the Muslims too. and these things do matter. if they want to be world-historical players it's going to matter what the rest of the world thinks about them. i don't know what they fuck they're going to get up to or what they want, ofc. i don't really think that what they're doing to the Tibetans has any real parallel to what the US is doing either.

>Their ideals are not American which are rooted in British values. They confer to their own ethnic tradition and interests.
this is a rabbit hole i would rather not go down. people do their own thing, and a country and a system that allows people to do their own thing in relative freedom is a good one. it is in fact the best one. i'm with Land, if we're going to pursue turbocapitalism i think Patchwork is a mighty fine idea. i suspect we will disagree on this, that's fine. Singapore was 100% Singaporean and it worked, not everybody is Singapore. people have a right to do their own thing. this is where Moldbug is actually prescient: if you absolutely have to formalize then make it about business, don't make it about race. i concur.

>Okay this is precisely where you're fundamentally wrong in the case of America. We're not geographically rooted we get our understanding of the world from central authorities like Rockefeller Plaza. It doesn't matter where you are in America you're getting L.A. or New York news/entertainment. Local stuff is necessarily subsidiary and inferior.
you don't have to just watch Hollywood movies exclusively, right? if you know LA/NY news is bullshit, why read it? you know it's industrial grade Content for industrial grade Consumption and it leads to industrial grade Disasters when the media can no longer distinguish between the real and the fake.

>I agree and then a diagnosis is due after sufficient observation.
sounds good to me.

Makes your baby hurt?

>it's always been up
this is false

>but Carlson has also recovered his own career after being completely BTFO'd by Stewart
lol yeah, unlike Rick Sanchez who's small time on RT now.

> Carlson is maligned by those who malign him, news at eleven.
The point is he is maligned by certain people while those same people praise Geraldo Rivera, Chris Wallace and Greg Gutfeld.

>[YouTube] Joe Rogan Experience #1241 - Sam Harris (embed)
Note Harris on Tulsi Gabbard, exact same neocon talking point that Weiss was ridiculed for, but he gets it in without resistance.

>he is what he is.
Yeah a fraud who presents himself as a typical American when he's actually an ethnocentrist for Israel.

>or maybe a swing the other way is part of the nature of these things
Not anymore, demographic change has secured the left as center while moderate Republicans will be far right in a few decades.

>i don't really think that what they're doing to the Tibetans has any real parallel to what the US is doing either.
Replacing them with a new population? The Dalai Lama said of the European migrant crisis that they should go home after the war.

> and a country and a system that allows people to do their own thing in relative freedom is a good one
Corporations control the system and they don't care about freedom.

>if you absolutely have to formalize then make it about business, don't make it about race
Race is bullshit, it's a fake identity. Identity matters such as ethnocentrism.

>if you know LA/NY news is bullshit
The problem is almost no one knows why it's bullshit.

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We are here to celebrate the rebirth of Our Redeemer. I tell you there is nothing to celebrate, in rebirth, in birth or in redemption.
Birth is the slimy gateway into Corruption since, as soon as One is born, it participates in Creation and Creation is abomination. Sheer corruption.
Look around you. Can you doubt that we live in the Kingdom of Lies? When the liar St Paul tells us we see as through a glass darkly for once he speaks truly. Those who are exalted - our Masters - the Roman Emperors and their officers - are ministers of a secular hell. Already burning, (so in pain as to be numb to their own agony) they organize the living dead in an orgy of empty pleasures.
All faith lost.
That in which you have faith, you cannot doubt. Where there is belief, there is doubt. The Father asks you to believe in him: Therefore, you cannot have faith in Him.
How does God know he's the Father? Let me tell you the real story of Creation.
The Father is an autist - deluded from birth into believing he made everything. His true name is Azathoth the Blind Idiot God.
When he begets Creation - which is the realm of Falsity - the Great One forgets the horror of Zero - the reality of Utter Nothingness which is the true God.
Let me tell you the real story of Easter.
How can this not be a case of child abuse? How can we worship a Father Who tortures and kills his own child? Do not be fooled: resurrection does not expiate the Father's crime.
When Christ arises again - as zombie God - It is to be absorbed into his Father's shining body. Christ is the difference between the Father and Himself cancelled to make All Things Equal.
This is what we celebrate with our Christian calendar. The murder of Zero - killed with all the Innocents which die that the Great One may triumph. The Fathers always sacrifice the children by murder, mutilation or slow poisoning. Christ (Or Cryos, his Secret and True Name) is the sacrifice offered by the Almighty that He did not ask Abraham to make.
Do not seek what will redeem you. There is no redemption. No final judgement. No rewards. No punishments. Just defeat, sputum coughs, last gasps.
So do not seek out redemption. Seek that which will allow you to escape the Time of Creation and its Prison, which is the passional body: the body - wracked with agony, endlessly tormented - which we celebrate on our symbol of Corruption, the Crucifix.
Your nose to smell with.
Your eyes to see with.
Your fingers to touch with.
Your ears to hear with.
Your mouth to taste with.
All of them blocking you from finding your real body.
Which has never existed.
Which has never lived.
Which has never been Created.
Celebrate the Christ Who is stolen from Old Father Time, who abducts the children from the Patriarch's gnarled grasp.
Blessed is that which never lives.
That which is unborn.
And you are that Outside Creation.
Hallowed be the Seething Void!

>lol yeah, unlike Rick Sanchez who's small time on RT now.
i don't know his story. Carlson's is more interesting to me, if only because he was exposed for being a complete clown on Crossfire and i like the redemption arc. i don't really derive much pleasure from him making the Tucker Face and BTFOings lefties on his show, but that talk he gave suggested that this was a guy who learned to stop being a meme. in the academic world Justin Murphy crossed into Heretic Territory and now he's disgusted with uni politics. same for Land.

there's no question that there are sacred cows in this world, sadly. but this is why i tend to take the Taoist perspective.

>The point is he is maligned by certain people while those same people praise Geraldo Rivera, Chris Wallace and Greg Gutfeld.
ok, but that's the business. it's why Stewart opted for comedy and Rogan just wants his own show. Harris too.

>Note Harris on Tulsi Gabbard, exact same neocon talking point that Weiss was ridiculed for, but he gets it in without resistance.
because he's a different guy? and they have a different relation? and he doesn't look completely stupid when he says what he thinks, because he actually knows what he thinks? Bari Weiss looked ridiculous in that interview and was justifiably roasted for it. did you see this?

youtube.com/watch?v=jS-sxJFn6O0

>Yeah a fraud who presents himself as a typical American when he's actually an ethnocentrist for Israel.
if this were the Game of Thrones Shapiro would be a smart player. he manages to walk the line in his own ways. he's also completely nailed his own niche, the clever-snarky twenty-thirtysomething who enjoys politics for what it is and hot takes and the rest. that he snaps back and forth between Moral Outrage and an ad for Stamps.com or bedsheets or whatever is patently ridiculous, but this is also what allows him to have his own little network and not be forced into meme punditry (which he does anyways). he's a smart guy and a political animal. but in these days it's like being the smartest WWE writer too. there is a horizon beyond which taking it too seriously makes you feel kind of ridiculous.

>Replacing them with a new population? The Dalai Lama said of the European migrant crisis that they should go home after the war.
Merkel thought they would (which is...odd, because...why?). as for the DL, he's probably right, but nobody's going to listen to him either.

>Race is bullshit, it's a fake identity.
i agree

>Identity matters such as ethnocentrism.
it does. and a media driven by sensationalism can indeed fuck all of this up by taking a magnifying lens to give the Real Up Close Look at what is not fucking pretty. the Smollett hoax is - like Trump - entirely their own shit sandwich now to eat. but asking for civility and manners in cable news politics is like trying to herd cats.i OD'd on rage in 2016 and 2017 and now i'm burned out.

>The problem is almost no one knows why it's bullshit.
true

>inappropriate comments can get you demonetized
Yea Forums and /pol/ are going to have a field day with this

sorry, i missed one:

>Corporations control the system and they don't care about freedom.
they don't, and this is also what gives you the hilarious monster that is Woke Capital, which is a thing that makes Land grind his teeth, because the cybernetic Lovecraftian overlords he has been giving himself nightmares about for decades suddenly do an about face and completely decide that what the world needs is more diversity, and put out the rainbow flag.

that the rainbow flag is flown atop JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs and the rest is in no ways a surprise for me, it's what sharp Marxists like Jameson have been watching to appear for decades. that there is nothing more diverse or inclusive than pure speculative capital is the irony of ironies in all of this, and the Woke Billionaire is its most odious champion. i see and notice these things, and so do you, and so do shitloads of other people. i suspect many of them were people who voted Trump in 2016 and not necessarily because they were rednecks either, but because they saw something deeply worrisome in the alliance between progressivism and Silicon Valley. Woke Capital is for real and i completely believe that the Maoist-style rage that accompanies identity politics in all its forms is nothing more than the psychic vanguard of 21C turbocapital itself. the cynicism is absolutely naked and in completely plain sight. Nike capitalizing on Kaepernick to sell running shoes made for nine cents a day in Manila or whatever the fuck else, Apple rolling out transgender bathroom campaigns while being supplied by absolutely ruthless subcontractors like Foxconn et al...it's all a part of the same story, and that to me is the *real story,* the story of the money. that's why i always bail out immediately of the pseudo-Protestantism of progressivist stuff, because at the back of my mind i see one thing and one thing only, which is those dollar dollar bills.

this to me is the real deal. i don't hate the trans community, i don't give a shit about any of it. i absolutely *do* think that there is an unholy alliance that forms up between banks and the most hilariously late versions of Karl Marx, and Rainbow Banks are precisely what it looks like. but i also think people can smell that something is profoundly rotten in the state of Denmark. when people take out their rage on the Jews, or the Blacks, or the gays, *or the Whites,* or whoever the fuck it galls me precisely because i think all of that shit is entirely to miss the mark on what is really going on, which is money, money, money, a little money on the side, plus money, and also money.

remember Martin Shkreli, that asshole? the guy who jacked up the Daraprim price? he tried to find the Archimedean psychic lever point, and leverage a very perverse kind of logic to do so: hey, if i *don't* gouge, i'll be sued. he's in fucking jail now and he deserves it.

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You niggers make cyberpunk dystopia seem boring
faggots

catgirl cosplay ontology

he's right you know

the real masters of the universe imho are the bond traders, not the media guys. and what are these guys doing at the top? their jobs. to them The World Is A Business, and i think they're probably right about that. spoken like a true globalist shill, perhaps, but ultimately i'd prefer people just find ways to get along with each other and not completely fuck up what is otherwise a pretty good world order, comparatively speaking, for as long as it holds.

youtube.com/watch?v=V9XeyBd_IuA

saying this is probably to at least partially revoke my /acc card but i honestly don't know what else to do except basically hope we don't fuck ourselves so badly trying to get through the next leg of the journey that a Thirty Years' War redux starts to sound like a really good idea. it will happen if automation replaces everybody and media/uni guys et al keep ratcheting up the fear and the panic. i will say again: hate is luxury object the West cannot afford, esp if we want to keep up with China, or just avoid tearing ourselves apart.

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Is this from CCRU?

A Network remake would be anti-Semitic.

youtube.com/watch?v=924DT22tSWE

The problem is we're living in their world. Even if America was an English country it isn't now and the people who collectivize are guaranteed to rise above the helpless individuals.

Hopefully Americans subvert it all by rejecting the central media and Washington in favor of local and state pride to the point of decentralization that favors the individual. Jeffersonian federalism, but with Farmville running on your home server.

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it's the Easter Sermon on Occultures

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very based can we have a thread on this instead

what is it?

newfag

>A Network remake would be fucking fantastic
sorry i made a few changes in there. i disagree that it would have to be anti-Semitic, the original wasn't and this one wouldn't have to be either.

>Stewart
that clip is fucking awesome. and this is exactly the kind of thing that i think the world dearly, *dearly* is missing today - a place where journalists have to go and actually deal with the responses and rejoinders of people reading their stories that are not

a) another fucking echo chamber built for public consumption, or
b) a clearly adversarial position (Fox/CNN, Breitbart, w/ev) where people can simply go in and throw grenades and say they scored a touchdown (nice mixed metaphors, i know).

having Stewart around to actually talk to journalists and ask them difficult questions was a fucking godsend. today it's Rogan who fills that void, to some degree, although he's not quite as savvy as Stewart (again, different people). it was Rogan who gave a lot of people the first exposure to Peterson, for example, and he also got Musk, and he's going to get fucking Kanye in a couple of months too. Maher tries to check the Left in his own way too, and sometimes he does it well and sometimes not. but there is absolutely no way to replace a guy like Stewart, and i'm quite glad you shared that clip, because that is solid gold. Metanarrative Review would be a great fucking idea, whether it was a philosopher, a stand-up comedian, an outsider, whoever - just somebody who could call out bullshit journalism for what it is. he did it on Crossfire and he fucking completely demolished Judith Miller here also. things like this make me unironically believe humanity is not worth feeding into Land's nightmare machine.

just imagine a place where journalists do not always wind up going hog-wild and getting high on their own supply. would be so good. just until the universe irons out a few kinks. ugh.

>The problem is we're living in their world. Even if America was an English country it isn't now and the people who collectivize are guaranteed to rise above the helpless individuals.
yeah, but nothiing good comes of that power. it attracts the worst kind of people anyways. and in the end they fuck things up because it appears to be almost impossible to not abuse. Herbert knew it too.

>Hopefully Americans subvert it all by rejecting the central media and Washington in favor of local and state pride to the point of decentralization that favors the individual. Jeffersonian federalism, but with Farmville running on your home server.
sounds good to me.

thanks again for that clip user, i really enjoyed that and had not seen it before.

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youtube.com/watch?v=9gMX_hR-RoM
ACCELERATE FAGGOTS

fwiw, guys like Sargon and Tim Pool or whoever else can now do this on their YouTube channels and so on, but the Daily Show really did become a kind of prestige thing later in its run, and it is a totally different thing to be grilled live and on the air than for Sargon or whoever to do a recap/This Week In Stupid and so on. but it is the nature of the beast today that because we cannot really *find* that forum any longer that things are getting polarized and radical, because there isn't that space that crosses the divide. Rogan's podcast is pretty good and i'm not surprised that so many people nowadays tune in to watch him, but like most he's basically an amateur interviewer and a guy who is just curious about a lot of things.

which, again, is good, there's nothing wrong with this. it's good that he is there to be able to talk to people in his own way. but having actual higher-ups of major organizations look very very silly on prime time is a different thing altogether (as was the case with his original demolition of Carlson and Begala on Crossfire). in the case of Bari Weiss she didn't even need Rogan to be in the least bit antagonistic, she made herself look ridiculous completely on her own, and everybody can see how this shook out.

there are news stations in Europe, afaik, that do this, they can have a kind of a weekly round-up of these things and discuss them without going insane with paranoia and Virtue Fever. but in the West today showing a clip from Peterson or whoever can get you booted out of Laurier, or whatever else. Peterson's whole career has been a journey into the various hells of political correctness and ideology. he handles things as he does and is surprisingly good in the pocket, he actually tends to do his best work when he is being interviewed by more or less hostile interviewers who wind up making themselves look ridiculous while he looks comparatively sane and rational.

youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s

even poor old Sam Harris cannot figure out how to cope with the complete fuckfaces. this one is a total car wreck but it just goes to show you how difficult talking to people who are out to dunk on you can be

youtube.com/watch?v=g26ObHKF1lc

and i really like Harris, i think he has his charms as well. but yeah, when it comes to media it is a fucking complete roadshow. and context really matters.

Rogan fucking blows. Worst radio show guy you mentioned in your entire post.

really? i thought his recent one with Harris was great, same for whenever Peterson is on. the Musk one was must-watch, and come on, he gave the world this classic:

youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

i can't hate on Rogan. i kind of wish he'd get Zizek, but i don't really know how this would play.

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wew link?

>the original wasn't and this one wouldn't have to be either.
If it reflected the actual staff of MSNBC or CNN then it would be like another Holocaust.

>rejoinders of people reading their stories that are not
lmao Judith Miller was a lynchpin to a war that killed millions and cost trillions.

>a) another fucking echo chamber built for public consumption, or
Are you kidding? The Daily Show was propaganda, its current state with Noah shows how much of it was just cult of personality around Stewart's spectacular verbal ability.

>having Stewart around to actually talk to journalists and ask them difficult questions
He didn't do that, he sucked Bill Kristol's dick semiannually forgetting to press anyone else on their culpability in the Iraq disaster which he himself supported by mocking anti-war protestors.

>Maher tries to check the Left in his own way too
After he's done saying the n word and hosting Mark Potok.

Begala is based he was on Bill Maher last week. Him and Chris Matthews are the only interesting gentiles left on left wing news networks. For better or worse Katy Tur, Dan Harris, Ari Melber, Bill Maher, Rachel Maddow, John Berman, Jake Tapper, Andrea Mitchell and Gloria Borger are the very best of their networks. Hayes, Cuomo, Burnett and O'Donnell are just second rate with their boring gentile-ness. Actually Morning Joe is great. Meet the Press though, absolute garbage, holy shit I miss Gregory. They made a MTP Daily lmao just fuck Chuck's shit up.

>and i really like Harris, i think he has his charms as well.
I like him too, his voice is very soothing and he talks about the things I'm most interested but now it's increasingly impossible to enjoy him straightforwardly as the neoconservative angle of his ethnic bias rears its head. His new music is hilariously bad and phony on the level of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder.

youtube.com/watch?v=MkI-bcFtSmY

It's really easy to get all this stuff on youtube if you filter by week or day depending on when it aired. Just select duration: >20 minutes and you can watch pretty much any recent news broadcast commercial free which you can easily skip anyway. The best part is you can pause, rewind and go frame by frame with < and > to experience Maggie Haberman up close for every microsecond and just read the mind of someone who's up to their concealed agenda. Best entertainment out there and it's supposedly from very serious people reporting adjacent to the state that rules the world.

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He's just the epitome of 'clueless retard thinks he's enlightened'
A real iconoclast shows up and his "free-thinking" dissipates immediately in defense the status quo

>lmao Judith Miller was a lynchpin to a war that killed millions and cost trillions.
and Stewart grilled the shit out of her, which she richly deserved.

>Are you kidding? The Daily Show was propaganda, its current state with Noah shows how much of it was just cult of personality around Stewart's spectacular verbal ability.
spectacular verbal ability works! he also had the unique power to cross the divide and have a kind of mysterious synergy with O'Reilly, which i thought was quite beautiful, in a way. he was smart enough not to get sucked into O'Reilly' impersonations of himself. Noah sucks, but i don't think the Daily Show was propaganda in the way it is now. but Stewart's verbal ability was derived from the fact that he actually gave a shit, i think. he wasn't just playing exclusively for laughs. and also because he was just a hell of a lot smarter than everybody else that he talked to, and it showed.

>He didn't do that, he sucked Bill Kristol's dick semiannually forgetting to press anyone else on their culpability in the Iraq disaster which he himself supported by mocking anti-war protestors.
okay, okay. i yield. uncle.

>Harris
his new music is indeed hilariously bad. as for Neocon Harris, i don't think policy is really his forte anyways. he has to have an opinion on these things because he takes his job as Public Intellectual very seriously.

>He's just the epitome of 'clueless retard thinks he's enlightened'
yeah, but he says as much to Harris, which is what makes him admirable in my book. he says, 'i call myself a moron all the time!' and he notes that this is a thing that Harris cannot do. it's an interesting exchange. i think identifying as a goofball is a good look, obviously. it's a sign of humility. sometimes Rogan acts like a douche also, there's no question. but i thought that that interview was particularly good because you can tell that Harris actually wishes he could run his show the way Rogan does, completely free, but he's kind of inwardly duty-bound to be a Serious Guy Who Knows Things, which of course he is. and later in that podcast you can see why: because, w/r/t some issues, he actually does and he is overall i think a force for good in the world.

one of my all-time favorite Harris moments was the way he handled the encounter with Hannibal Burress. the key moment is where he says: 'i can play your game, but you can't play mine. want to take that bet?' that's a fucking great way to do things. and, like Peterson, he doesn't blow his stack or get trigged, even as things spiral into weirdness.

youtube.com/watch?v=9E5igZ0rqLQ

>A real iconoclast shows up and his "free-thinking" dissipates immediately in defense the status quo
who are you referring to?

aren't memes supposed to be funny

pls respond

>hannibal

what a fucking retard lol

yeah it gets pretty ugly towards the end, Burress calls him a human power point presentation but Harris doesn't bite on it. they've been drinking tho too, Burress is not really on his A-game. but Harris is just so smooth with it, and his rejoinder is awesomely good: 'i can represent your position of me in a way that you would agree with, you can't do the same for me.' that is completely the right way to handle it and Burress knows he's right. it doesn't actually mean that they can get any further in the conversation if HB doesn't want to, and he doesn't, really. it was probably awkward as fuck for him too. but it's the turning point in the whole conversation.

the all-time classic Oh God No What The Fuck Are You Doing is surely this one, Hitchens and Mos Def. Harris and Affleck is pretty good too if only because Affleck clearly needs to be shaken out of wherever he is. but this one is maximum cringe. he's got Salman Rushdie on one side and Hitchens
>Christopher Hutchens
on the other and he doesn't know where the fuck he is or who either of these guys are. Maher kindly rings the bell.

youtube.com/watch?v=b_oR5Oonq5A

i used to enjoy watching people get rekt in these things and now i find it painful to see.
>watches it again three times
yep still painful

interesting thread you boys have here

zizekstack here, reminder not to respond to postmodern memes

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MD isn't even wrong either, it's true that in fact people do have an ideology. it's just that policy isn't his forte either, and it's basically what Hitchens had been writing about for decades. plus he's sitting right next to a guy with a fatwa on him who has pretty good non-ideological reasons for being suspicious about an Iranian missile program.

i wonder if Maher had a backstage conversation with whoever it was that thought this would have been a good idea, or if he does it himself. arranging these panels is an interesting job and this is a kind of YouTube classic but it was probably awkward as fuck for Maher to actually sit through.

anyways here's the Harris/Affleck one also

youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

minor ramble begins:

i actually enjoyed Affleck-as-Batman, btw, i thought he did a good job presenting Bruce Wayne in an interesting way: as a sweaty and paranoid crypto-fascist that would have been a Left take on Frank Miller's own take also. to present Batman as a tormented and slightly unhinged Defender Of The Polis from an alien threat (in this case, Superman) was actually not a bad plot, and Harris kind of projected some of his own fears and grief about all of this into the role, which was otherwise a piece of rather forgettable schlock. he's not as good as Bale's Batman, no doubt, but this was a take on Is Batman Fascist that was actually quite sympathetic and interesting.

if you let Frank Miller do Batman, Miller channels his own feels for Fascist Batman unironically, and you get what you get: The Dark Knight Returns, which is absolutely fucking awesome, and Holy Terror, which is not (although the art is always good). but Affleck Batman gave you something quite unique: a *believably* fascist Batman, and one which was more believable for it being Affleck himself in the role, rather than whatever stereotype you might have cast if you wanted something like Starship Troopers, so on the nose as to be cartoonish, if that makes sense.

the best criticisms of Leftism actually come, imho, from the Left themselves: Woke Jeans, or (this is my theory, anyways) Annihilation (total deconstruction is not liberating, it is death to the world). with Affleck Batman it's the same thing, i think, in a way.

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>look at different dates
>it's nearly all the same material since the early 00s
>site has rarely gone down in these periods
>these idiots still think something has changed over the long term
the land fad has turned into a cult

bro I just boofed 4 modafinil, don't tell me I did it for nothing

Literally who?
What am I even looking at?

virgins bro

Cant you read retard

big up kode9

All that gibberish, and yet he can't say anything near this single sentence:
>The essence of technology is not anything technological.

>The essence of technology is not anything technological.
that was 90s Young Nick. it was cool as fuck to write stuff like that then and it still holds up pretty well now. Old Nick is much more receptive to Heidegger

vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/

looks like a finite state machine diagram.

WHERE IS THIS FROM? I CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE

Dont listen to the other anons. What you did is good. The average person is too moronic to have straight forward, honest, accurate information given to them. They're better off being fed the headlines in Newspeak and being sold consumeristic, identity driven narratives that present the process of shopping-buying-consuming as one of the primary recreational activities and life goals of the working adult. To be honest, it's probably better if these people dont spend to much time thinking, since the calories they burn in an effort to arrive at the profound realization that 2+2=4 cant justify the amount of high fructose corn syrup required to sustain there barely self-aware thought processes. Of course, we're all affected by culture, marketing, proganda, etc to some extent, but some of us more than others. For those of us capable of thinking for ourselves, its probably easier if the NPCs have an endless stream pornography, McDonalds, and CNN to keep them busy.

So this website outs accelerationism as another discordian strain? Fuckin cthulhu LOL

For fucks sake at least in my day we had deoxy which was at least somewhat founded on scientific principles and a semblance of logic

semitic nonsense

R/Acc is literally the exact opposite of discordianism l m a o

>deoxy
who?

the CCRU isn't r/acc or discordian

Fuck, the guy claiming r/acc here, you're right. Forgot the thread I was in.

Still seething this hard.

Aren't accelerationists supposed to be quick?

CRINGE

Cringe.

ccru.net/occultures/bergman.htm