Is it true that Chomsky made Saussure obsolete and how?

Is it true that Chomsky made Saussure obsolete and how?

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Who Is this, seaman D-man?

me

no

it is true that Chomsky defended Khmer Rouge and said the only reason socialism didn't work in cambodia was because pol pot didn't hate america enough.

This is not true.

Where are you getting that from? Saussure's semiotics and structuralism are too influential to ignore, plus his work gives great insight into the problems of linguistics. I don't see how he could ever be viewed as obsolete. His influence is already too profound

No he didn't make it obsolete. Saussure's central concept of contrast in language still persists at the core of most contemporary linguistic theories. Just as an example, markedness constraints in optimality theory, which is not specifically Chomskyian, but it is a generative theory. If you are interested in linguistics, it is very worthwhile to read Saussure and maybe even more so Trubetskoy

No. They discuss separate parts of language. Fds is concerned with language signs while chomsky is concerned with grammar and language acquisition.

yes semiotics is deeply influential on semioticians and sociolinguists

Nope

This film should never have been made.

Any recommendations on where to go after De Saussure? I read some Eco and Wittgenstein before him and detoured into Heidegger after. Is Trubetskoy a good read?

No, he didn't.
In the 1970s the media was publishing anything sensationalistic without checking.
So Chomsky checked out a French book everyone was citing in which the Khmer Rouge claimed to have killed 2 million people
And found that the book said no such thing
The book had THREE DIFFERENT DEATH TOLLS, the larges the result of the American bombing, and SOMEHOW in the translation of the review this was conflated into a single toll and attributed to the Khmer Rouge
In another instance photos were published of what were supposed to be concentration camps
These photos had already been debunked in the foreign press - they were staged and photographed in Thailand by a political party in that country for their own propaganda purposes
So, do these facts matter? Or is it acceptable to just repeat and makeup whatever you like about The Official Enemy?
Chomsky and Edward S. Herman went looking for VERIFIABLE sources and found them at the US State Department and it had a death toll in the high tens of thousands. They cited this and also of course cautioned that with the situation in the country it is impossible to know for certain and the allegations people make could very well be true but there is a duty to the truth that should be adhered to.
Now the whole point of this exercise was to compare it to the TOTAL SILENCE from the press over what was going on in East Timor
Something that the USA could exercise a lot of control over unlike the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia seeing as how the USA supplied them with all the arms they used to invade and Ford & Kissinger had visited to authorise the invasion
East Timor had a population of just under 700,000 when the Indonesians invaded and Church and Aid groups estimated in about 1976 or 77 that approximately 1/10th to ONE THIRD of the population had been wiped out by the Indonesians in the invasion in an orgy of massacres and genocide
Carried out with American arms and American authorisation
And this received silence from the press
And this receives silence from people trying to like about Chomsky and the Khmer Rouge
Why is that do you suppose?

In fact Jimmy Carter sent MORE ARMS as the killings reached their peak because the Timorese resistance was very well trained and equipped with the Portuguese stockpile of modern NATO arms, they had accounted for approximately 5000 Indonesian soldiers killed in the first year and a half, many units were having to be rotated into the island for only 2-4 months because of low moral, and several regional commanders had made deals with guerrillas to not carry out attacks in exchange for not being targeted
It was only with these upgraded arms, OV-10 Broncos, and napalm that they were able to starve the Timorese out of the mountains

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Try Peirce yous coward

Don't forget that this is still going on in West Papua.

Kripke made Saussure obsolete.

yeah just like grammar is important to grammaticians and math is important to mathematicians

If you are interested in structuralism and contrast specifically as it relates to linguistics, I would say Trubetskoy is a must. Principles of Phonology. Because it's phonology it can be a bit dry but his typology of contrast or oppositions is really interesting and useful for many other aspects of linguistics. In particular his discussion of privative oppositions. I think I understood Saussure even better after reading this (even though I already felt like I understood Saussure before).

I guess I think Trubetskoy is worth reading no matter what, but if you interested in structuralism in a more general way, Roman Jakobson is good

How?

I like to say these things:
The US government acts in its own best interest
Businesses act in their own best interest
There are things that people don't know
And these are things we've known about these things for centuries. Even the Greeks knew this. Just look at ancient Athens. Aristotle.

>Just look at ancient Athens. Aristotle.
Really got my ol' noggin' joggin'

Also, in case you are interested in phonology (maybe you are not) I would highly recommend Phonemics by Kenneth Pike. It's an old-school linguistics text that doesn't quite get the love it deserves anymore. I don't know, I think that being able to do a bit of structuralist contrastive analysis of a language is an interesting skill to have, and it's really pretty easy. And for me I think it gave me a deeper understanding of structuralism. I think this is because phonemes are not really signs, but they are semiotic units. (/p/ and Yea Forums don't mean anything on their own, but they can change the meaning [e.g. pat and bat] or more specifically the presence or absence of voicing and aspiration can change the meaning.) So I guess that abstractness or absence of meaning can make it a little easier to focus on the relationships of the units within the system, and then you can apply that same thinking to other systems like morphology, syntax, anthropology (like kinship systems--Ward Goodenough is good for this) and all kinds of other things.

Do you have these authors you mention in epub/mobi/azw? I can only find them in PDF.

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Low estimates of the Cambodian genocide is 1/5th to 1/4 of the population, I've seen figures as high as 1/3; these figures put it between 1.5 - 2.5mm deaths. Too bad Chomsky picked one of the worst genocides in history to make his stand on, because he did have a point to make about American imperialism -- had he just listened to the Cambodian refugees though, he would have realized it was every bit as bad as it looked over there, if not worse. The most sickening part about it though it he will still defend his statements on Cambodia, saying "according to the facts of the time, I was right". No, Chomsky, no matter what your facts said, they really were bashing infants against trees to save bullets.

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robot tiddies

>beat
is this past tense or present tense here?

>Chomsky made Saussure obsolete
The last few surviving European structuralist linguists go with Hjelmslev, they are not saussurians. If someone made Saussure obsolete, it had to be Saussure.
>I read some Eco
Had you really read Eco's Trattato di Semiotica Generale, you would have seen it has a lengthy bibliography that should have kept you quite busy with catching up with the then current year.

>Hjelmslev
based

Do you see a sign that says "Out of order"?

In true Saussurian fashion, the absence of a sign is in itself a sign.

oops meant to reply to Now my clever little joke is ruint

Chomsky married this chick when his wife died. she is 30 years younger.

pretty based actually

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