Just found this and now i have a lot to read up on.
I want to learn about everything. Where do I start?
Christopher Morales
Joseph White
>Hegel
>in the shadow of Marx
Joshua Russell
here's one way i might like to approach these issues: the Do-Over button.
imagine if you *had* a Do-Over button. this is the subtext of ITB, after all. you can't repair the breach in the time-loop itself, but you can increasingly come to understand that said breach is feature and not bug. achieving Peak Irony and Peak Simulation is a rather unique problem and at the same time an entirely ancient one. the tragic and cyclical nature of human achievement was no doubt understood by the Greeks and by Hegel as well, and by the time you get to Ye Olde Faster-Goers that are Land et al that intimation is in full swing. Yea Forums has also remarked that Kafka is peak cybernetics and that too seems pretty good to me. so here we are.
*kindness* is an unusually refreshing idea, you know? it really is. it means allowing things out in the kingdom of the blind, going carefully through the underworld. it seems enough to me sometimes to *just be kind,* to wait and see, to not foreclose opportunities and possibilities - and to not get too carried away with unironic redemption or the thirst for blood and vengeance and retribution either. see Girard for more details: are you really looking for justice, or is it really just revenge? this is in Lacan as well, who gets it from Kojeve and Hegel: it's *recognition* that we want, period. we only want to be heard, and seen, and understood.
this is what is such a catastrophe about falling in love too much with irony and so on, however much this is what it means to be a French continental philosopher of the 20C (or a German of the 19C): we wind up falling in love with our own simulations, or adapting like frogs in hot water to the very water that is killing us. that same boiling water comes for us all in the end. just to be a part of the becoming of things, that's enough, more than enough. to cause things, rig the game, try and get ahead of the curve...it's just possible, we wind up outsmarting ourselves. Land is a stupendously good example of this...or, to use a different example
>why didn't they give the ball to Lynch?
i am absolutely fine with being a ghost that haunts an abandoned theme park.
ok fair point i deserve this
Brayden Diaz
the other example of this kind of deep-scale cybernetics was the Cold War. again, the Soviets and the West knew each other and itself entirely too well, which is what led to terrifying scenarios like Fail Safe (oops, a missile accidentally went off here, so in order to repair the balance, we have to make sure one goes off with you guys as well...so that the paranoia that structures our world can be continued...)
i strongly recommend reading Girard's book on Clauswitz (Battling to the End) also, even though it isn't an explicitly /acc book, but because imho there is something much more significant going on about the nature of technology that involves cybernetics, mimetics, knowledge structures, and much much else...even Land himself only becomes interesting after the ending of the Cold War...or about the disastrous logic of the duel we find ourselves in when we are forced to identify ourselves as states for the sake of responding to calls from the other guy, who also apprehends himself as a state, and so on...
these ideas, of game-theory, and reciprocity, exchanges and all the rest, there is a huge story here to be written about postmodernity and the end of the Soviet Union, but also about how we massively technologized and cyberneticized ourselves during and through the twentieth century, and on into today, the great age of telecommunications and capital...
...ugh. so much stuff to think about. but this great unfolding of collective (un)consciousness, of recognition and misrecognition, of call and response, this all makes up who and what we are today...
sorry, sometimes i feel it's better just to get my random schizo-ramble thoughts out even in a half-baked form rather than dwell on them.
Anthony Ross
and Land has his moments of Unironic Taoism too:
>what if knowledge were a means to deepen unknowing?
Ryan Butler
its girardfag! hi
Angel Garcia
well hello there gentle user
Cameron Morris
Purgatory, yes, thank you! I was trying to remember what I was thinking about earlier, about the nature of purgatory and its expression in poetry and novels and television. The notion does not arrive, the sanctity of expression does not hold, I am on Yea Forums.
>ywnend, an infinite bliss.
Xavier Rodriguez
>marxism is continental philosophy
Lmao
Levi Martinez
it is not so much of a stretch to say that from a certain perspective continental theory really is the theory and practice of hell, and Land is hardly the worst guide to it:
>The logical consequence of Social Darwinism is that everything of value has been built in Hell.
>It is only due to a predominance of influences that are not only entirely morally indifferent, but indeed — from a human perspective — indescribably cruel, that nature has been capable of constructive action. Specifically, it is solely by way of the relentless, brutal culling of populations that any complex or adaptive traits have been sieved — with torturous inefficiency — from the chaos of natural existence. All health, beauty, intelligence, and social grace has been teased from a vast butcher’s yard of unbounded carnage, requiring incalculable eons of massacre to draw forth even the subtlest of advantages. This is not only a matter of the bloody grinding mills of selection, either, but also of the innumerable mutational abominations thrown up by the madness of chance, as it pursues its directionless path to some negligible preservable trait, and then — still further — of the unavowable horrors that ‘fitness’ (or sheer survival) itself predominantly entails. We are a minuscule sample of agonized matter, comprising genetic survival monsters, fished from a cosmic ocean of vile mutants, by a pitiless killing machine of infinite appetite. (This is still, perhaps, to put an irresponsibly positive spin on the story, but it should suffice for our purposes here.)
>Crucially, any attempt to escape this fatality — or, more realistically, any mere accidental and temporary reprieve from it — leads inexorably to the undoing of its work. Malthusian relaxation is the whole of mercy, and it is the greatest engine of destruction our universe is able to bring about. To the precise extent that we are spared, even for a moment, we degenerate — and this Iron Law applies to every dimension and scale of existence: phylogenetic and ontogenetic, individual, social, and institutional, genomic, cellular, organic, and cultural. There is no machinery extant, or even rigorously imaginable, that can sustain a single iota of attained value outside the forges of Hell.
>What is it that Neoreaction — perhaps I should say The Dark Enlightenment — has to offer the world, if all goes optimally (which, of course, it won’t)? Really, the honest answer to this question is: Eternal Hell. It’s not an easy marketing brief. We could perhaps try: But it could be worse (and almost certainly will be).
Xenosystems: Hell-Baked
xenosystems.net
but this is why we probably have to keep going...
take Marx out of it and you change the picture substantially, no?