JOAQUIN FINALLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT JOKER INSPIRING SHOOTERS AND MANIACS

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So this movie is strong gas to a fire then? Based

He's right that art shouldn't have to be cautiously didactic less people misinterpret it. If nerds or crazies or whatever were that susceptible to some alleged toxic influence, movies like Fight Club, or any first-person-shooter game, or heavy metal, etc etc etc would have been creating killers all this time.

Maybe... maybe, the recent bout of loons is more the product of diminishing opportunities, decline in social connection, and a media that continually berates people isolated in that situation as somehow still being 'privileged'. Not that all people who are living shiftless lives would respond crazily, but there are those particularly isolated people out there now. I wouldn't blame movies or 'toxic' male or white culture or anything, but I'd say that growing up in total social isolation, while also having mental issues, is probably the thing with that small minority. Leftists really want to score points on how evil toxic masculinity is so they want to put the blame on that and guns, but they really should be worried more about how to build better social ties between all people, rather than having this inane policy of ostracizing people, as if THAT'S going to ever have good social repercussions.

>videogames don't cause violence shitlord!!! The Media is not responsible for mass shootings!
>The Joker movie is dangerous and needs to be cancelled because it causes violence!!!

So which one is it?

No, but we have the article because he returned after an hour and continued interview because WB PR team calmed him down
twitter.com/robbiereviews/status/1174958147070357505

When have sjw types ever defended violent video games?

Based.
And best possible answer.

He's right but will retract this statement and apologize the moment a shooting happens in a cinema.

GO FOR THE OLD, JOKER SHOOTER BOI

'Leftists', or whatever you call these upper middle class imposters, used to champion anti-censorship and free speech, and completely flipped and become puritanical tsk-tsk-ing schoolmarms.

Anyone of any kind of actual free-thinking disposition, left or not, should fucking detest these people by now.

I have to think of the guy who shot Ronald Reagan because he watched Taxi Driver too many times and fell in love with Jodie Foster.
What film maker can fucking predict or influence that?

>When have sjw types ever defended violent video games?
All the time because it's conservatives that put pressure on violent videogames.
It'a literally duck season vs rabbit season.
Conservatives should just attack gun ownership, and sjws will defend gun rights instinctively.

RISE UP GAMERS

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One thing to realize, is that if you look at the demographic that these moralizing 'liberals' are made up of, they're wimpy men and frumpy, sour-faced schoolteacher-looking women.

And if you go back in time, to when the moralizers were conservative, like people protesting alcohol or whatever, they back then were the SAME fucking ugly, frumpy, sour-faced school-teacher-looking cunts.

It's the same damn people. Same physicalities. It's just that some pseudo-'leftism' became utterly institutionalized and corporatized so you have all these bureaucratic, careerist phonies running it, and they're going around bossing people around and tsk tsking like the bourgie scum they've always been.

Fuck off with your fake irony, you're the actual incel misogynist. Fanning the flames of misery and divisiveness. All to manufacture the sensation of little instances that you can feel superior to random working class people. It's a cheap shot.

They're not pseudo leftists, They ARE leftists.
They've always been this way, don't turn a blind eye now.
These are the same people that would usher in a centralized government and abolish private property if they could.

cringe, dilate

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>You become gay if you watch gay porn
>You become violent if you play violent video games
So which one is it?

He's right desu
Maniacs will get justification from anywhere, a movie about a comic book character isn't going to inspire anyone that wasn't already deranged to begin with. If anything, the fact that the media constantly brings up the idea of a shooting at the Joker premiere is doing far more to plant that idea in people's heads than anything about the film itself

Neither, I'm not trying to trick you user. I'm just pointing out the media double-think on this wholw Joker thing.
There's no ounce of self-awareness to their dangerous Joker claims.

Vaguely progressive values is just lip service with them, noblesse oblige. They're utterly corporate careerists at their core. Ladder climbing phonies. They only choose such ostentatious, superficial moralisms to make up for their guilt and privilege.

We already went through this stupid shit with Marilyn Manson and Bowling for Columbine and these idiots still ask these questions. I completely understand him walking out when being asked about it again by another interviewer.

Those are based responses from Phoenix and Philips desu.

And by the way, I'm quite left economically and environmentally. Socially I wouldn't group my values with any side, necessarily, I just want what is right. So of course, I detest mainstream woke liberals. I hate conservatives that trash climate change etc too though.

>They're utterly corporate careerists at their core.
Then they're not dangerous, I don't mind. The real leftists scare me, the sjws annoy me.

They hated censorship back when they were worried about being censored. Now that they have the power to censor, they love censorship.

>I'm quite left economically
Have you ever opened a history book, Or just read about basic economics? Just curious.

Leftists were never against censorship lol. You're thinking of liberals.

I think Joaquin really overestimates the intelligence of the general public. In an era where the most popular articles literally tell you how to think in their headline, are we really going to pretend like audiences are smart enough to figure out what's right and wrong on their own?

There's a lot to trash about climate change though honestly. There's a lot of cronyism and preaching going on about it that deserves to be scrutinized. Some of that gets misconstrued as denial. The conversation right now is "Do you agree or deny it?" That's it. That's why nobody can come to any solutions because it's all about whether you agree or deny.

>Leftists were never against censorship lol.
Are you retarded?
The soviets, the maoists, the castros were all known for their mass censorship.

When has he ever said that?

That's what I was trying to say. Leftists love censorship more than anyone else.

they would abolish private property, except for themselves and their friends

it's always one rule for us and another rule for everyone else with these leftist freaks

FYI there's a difference between socialism and communism, especially the non-democratic communism that became popular among shithole countries.

Economic socialism is something like the Nordic model, ie. Norway which has a state owned gas industry ran by corporations for profit and the shareholders are Norwegian citizens.

>All the time because it's conservatives that put pressure on violent videogames.

SJWs attack a certain type of violent game. Anything that is tranny, Homo or minority phobic.

Im pretty sure that general public knows that killing people is bad and that they shouldnt do it because they saw that in a movie. Its like...obvious

RISE UP GAMERS

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>because it's all about whether you agree or deny.
because climate change is a fact, retard. you dont get to debate gravity

>have to think of the guy who shot Ronald Reagan because he watched Taxi Driver too many times and fell in love with Jodie Foster.
Oh my God please be bait. Did you ever read anything you did not take at face value?

>you dont get to debate gravity
Uh excuse me. Don't tell me what to do.

>Norway which has a state owned gas industry ran by corporations for profit and the shareholders are Norwegian citizens.
And the government can do whatever it wants, so it's just importing non-norwegians to replace them in order to share the wealth with the world anyway.

What the hell do you expect him to say?
>Oh wait, your right
>this movie is dangerous, I urge everyone not to watch it!

Sure the climate changes. Disagreement on WHAT should be done about it is being called as denial of climate change. That's just disingenuous.

Rise up

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>Im pretty sure that general public knows that killing people is bad and that they shouldnt do it
Really? How long has it been since [insert political side you disagree with] advocated violence against [insert political side you do agree with]?

>Economic socialism is something like the Nordic model
Except you're incorrect and the leaders of the nordic states say themselves they are not socialist. They have mixed market economies with a strong dependence on private property and large social security net.
By definition they're not socialist.
Socialism would entail the abolition of private property with a centralized exclusive state owned industries and infrastructure.

Jim Carrey did something like that for the Kick Ass 2 press

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>FYI there's a difference between socialism and communism,
FYI there isn't. Communism is always the end goal of socialism.

Oh, so that fucking other piece was basically an editorial fabrication, where the question supposedly broke his brain? Of course it was.

...what did he post? Jannies deleted it.

Yeah, that's interesting isn't it? Because people know that killing in-group members is wrong. They DON'T know that killing out-group member is wrong (because it isn't).

People living in the same nation wanting to kill each other means that nation isn't a nation anymore. It's balkanized and in the process of separating into at least two nations.

The nordic model is commonly accepted (at least outside of scandinavia, I'm an anglo) to entail aspects of economic socialism.
It's mentioned in the definition of socialism on Wikipedia, for instance.

>state owned industries and infrastructure
I don't know what to tell you or the nordic states, but this in fact what Norway has.

Socialism is not a yes/no condition, it can happen in degrees.

Leftists are OBSESSED with controlling the nature of discourse. They want total dominion over education, culture, etc. That's why they're so preoccupied with getting into the details of what can be discussed and how and by whom. And not just the woke ones, Marxist ones are definitely that way too. The more hippie end of liberalism, really a very different thing, and older, '60s American leftism, is (was) more free speech, but that would all look like reactionary trolling by woke standards.

literally a third of the people walking the streets or on the bus or in kindargarden and I assume in school in my craptown are some flavour of shitskin

n-no dude marilyn manson music caused columbine

Those streets would otherwise be empty because modern Nords are mostly sterile and don't reproduce

>always
Oh, my mistake, I thought I could have my own intentions but apparently you (are you the government?) know best.

Anyway, Joaquin's right. Depicting an act isn't endorsement, otherwise Schindler's List would be anit-semitic.

actually Matrix did

this further strengthens my claim

So you admit he's telling the truth?

Mods cancel this post.

so stop complaining, the replacement is willingly allowed

no

But it will motivate them even more than say, a romcom

incel

What's more dangeorus is the media putting the idea out there that it would even be possible to trigger someone. It's almost like they want that to happen for more clicks and drama. Fucking vultures.

We all know what we have to do.

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I don't, sir Frog.

>Socialism is not a yes/no condition, it can happen in degrees.
That's wrong, it needs to encapsulate the whole definition to be considered socialist.
And since they support private ownership and private businesses, they fit the bill to be called capitalist.
>but this in fact what Norway has.
No they don't, they have not centralized every business or industry.

Here's a link to one of the nordic state's leader talking about this issue

google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders

Your definition is wrong, They say it themselves.

>tfw phoenix is still in character and he kills jimmy fallon

haha yeah
"almost"

The problem with this argument is, we've increasingly seen technocratic fascists make this argument about everything from economic policies to the EU.
There is a sense that, were your sort to have your full way of things, elections wouldn't matter at all, because 'you don't get to debate gravity' can apply to just about any kind of policy argument. We would elect mere figureheads, while some grand council of technocratic wizards would make unaccountable decisions on everything.

>I thought I could have my own intentions but apparently you (are you the government?) know best.

>living under socialism
>having your own intentions
Top kek.

Problem?

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The problem is, you're not wizards, and you're not that clever. You're the same corrupt flesh as every other human, and the decisions you make will be biased toward your own beliefs and perrogatives.

picture of a poosay

But Ray Kurzweil said that hopelessly clinging on to the material world and installing a robo-dick would usher in an utopia.

Climate change isn't real. I'm allowed to reject biased statistics, and I don't believe a bunch of corrupt, satan worshipping leftists have the ability to tell me what is, and what isn't real. I decide what's real and what isn't, not you.

>WILL ANY OF YOU FUCKING INCEL CUNTS DO A SHOOTING BECAUSE OF THIS MOVIE? COME ON WE DARE YOU LMAO WHAT ARE YOU CHICKEN?
based media, just remember to make the guy who does the next one as famous as possible and run stories about every detail of his life for months, that will discourage the next one

A real female with her legs spread, it triggered the tranny janny

Video games cause real world sexism, but not violence. Only fuddy duddy conservatives from the 90's worry about violence.

How do video games cause sexism? I don't feel I've been impelled to such things because of vidya.

Uhh... Sweetie... Problematic...

I'm not sure why this is aimed at me.
But no, you don't get to decide what's real. Nobody does. What's real, is.
But humans have flawed perceptions, and as such, they can never usher in some kind of technocratic utopia. Every group--from the Catholic church, to the Nazis, to the communists, etc.--thought they alone deserved to call the shots because only they really understood the truth. And the technocrats are no different, and will go down the same road--they will rig things up for themselves and their families, they will not rule for the betterment of all or according to science.
The biggest problem people who are so strident in 'doing something' about climate change have is, nothing the people they shill for want to do will make even a dent. It's just the nose of the camel under the tent to get us to give up Democracy so that they'll save us.

I see, so it's like that.

tl;dr

Blessed

wow, the news media was the real joker the whole time, huh

>arbitrary delineation between liberals and leftists that hasn't held water in practice for decades
Why do chapo fags do this?

the joker is this generations "catcher in the rye". a psychotically validating mind-fuck for the heavily traumatized and socially isolated, and an annoying bitchy protagonist to the well-adjusted.

Based. Absolutely fucking BASED.

So that's why I always hated Caulfield.

Don't cut yourself some free excuse, moron.

What?

>"we live in a society that adandons mentally ill loners and treats them like treat"
you can stop acting retarded now

This is fucking amazing.

Reminder: Thanos is such a neutered cartoon that even with “unlimited power,” he’s just a cartoon. The Joker breaks free of his two-dimensional world and incites real-world existential dread with some greasepaint.

>treats them like treat

Sounds like a nice society tbqh.

>The Joker breaks free of his two-dimensional world and incites real-world existential dread with some greasepaint.
To be clear, the joker isn't inciting real-world existential dread. James Holmes and the countless other mass shooters have done that. The joker just triggers that existential dread by direct association to real-world disaster (after the holmes shooting specifically). Why do you talk as if this that's a good thing?

Well fucking said.