THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN THE BATTLE OF HELMS DEEP

>snowy north
>large flat roofs

are these people retarded?

Read that in Ron Howard’s voice.

I see you too know nothing about battle tactics.

>army outside of fortress

no, the army being in front of the walls is what's retarded about this

so that makes two of us

cringe

>no, the army being in front of the walls is what's retarded about this
there is no way they could have fit inside the castle
all the undead army would have to do is wait for them to starve or AOE down them all with the meme dragon
fighting outside was needed, but the cav was wasted and the artillery was used badly
The right move would have been to envelop the undead using the castle as an anchor since the undead was only coming from the front

the actual army tactics and decision making is one of the most infuriating things i've seen in television, imagine so much being on the line and the writers cannot even fathom that you don't put catapults in front of the army or that jon could have used his dragon to light the trench instead of sitting on the wall staring as people die to light the trench

kek +10

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>entire epic battle decided by a little nothing person girls who stabs the night king from nowhere

It might have been, but it was too dark to tell.

i unironically like season 8 of Game of Thrones and had fun posting on Yea Forums with my friends about it

>Kill the leader
>His entire army dies
Laziest fucking writing possible

There's no semblance of tactics in any lotr or got battle.

Shills are arguing about tactics to avoid admitting how aesthetically inferior GOT is and how correct the op.

this was supposed to be the lotr slayer bros....what happened?!?!?!

Night king should've been in westeros by season 6 at the latest

thats how ww2 was won tho

No.

muh epic tactics in tard fantasy setting

scene was pure kino desu

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Jannies are seething today
cringe

what about falling back to the vale, theres one way in.?

Ah yes, that moment when Stalin teleported behind Hitler and killed him while The Wehrmacht was attacking Moscow was pure kino.

the undead would be like later lmao and they would continue their way south fucking shit up

Not when the enemy has no morale to lose
If they used the Dothraki as a strike force to get around and attack the Night Kings merry band of Snowmen, THAT would be a strategy. Seeing all the lights go out from that would sell their MAXIMUM powerlevel too. But Oh yeah you need memeglass to kill those cunts, whoopsie looks like I wrote myself into a corner there, unless, unless, Unless one of the Horsed carried Arya inside its mouth! Genious Dabid, youve done it again

>nothing makes sense and nothing is visible due to poor lighting and color palette of the locations
>dude piano playing in slomotion as epic scene happens so ITS KEENO KEENO
neck yourself brainlet, only kino thing about this episode was melisandre's death

so that takes care of the cercei problem, but the KK was after Bran and Bran knew he was going to come after him

*NK

zero logic and there where still normies defending it

Reminder that they had no fucking clue Melisandre was going to waltz up and light all of their blades on fire. They were fully willing to shittcan all of the Dothraki ramming them straight at a bunch of zombies with steel weapons that had zero chance of killing them.

Hey it works in medieval 2

Why didn't they take a bunch of dragonglass, smash it into tiny sharp pieces, then sprinkle it in front of the castle walls? If a zombie just walks on it and cuts their foot then they die right?

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I still can’t get past how they clearly planned to send all those cavs in with normal weapons and it’s entirely unplanned luck for Melisandre to show up with the fire buff.

why didn't they make a dragonglass/wildfire hybrid and raze the army of the dead like it was 'nam?

Why didnt the night king throw the javelin at drogon

why didnt the night king stay the fuck back until his unkillable army secured the location?

>put everyone outside castle walls instead of inside
>cavalry charges off first for no reason
>catapults get 3-4 shots off and are in front of everyone instead of behind
>men uselessly die like crazy outside
>end of battle is same half dozen heroes surrounded by white walkers fighting like 40 of them at once while everyone else is dead
Yeah it was fucking awful

>send the dothraki first along with this beta orbiter and this useless doggo
jesus jon

Never forget /ourgirl/ had her own sticky.

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Why didn't the night king just burn the godswood

Don't forget the DP saying it's you're own fault if you couldn't see anything, because you're too dumb to calibrate your tv.

Based as fuck

I miss her

it wasn't the lighting itself, but the fact that HBO actually aired a shitty low-res version of the episode, the dark action scenes looked pixellated as fuck. it was only the premiere though, when the episode went up to HBO Go right after, it looked fine. people who complain are the people who saw the premiere live

And got BTFO lmao

Nah

The retarded tactics were the LEAST of the problems with the episode.
That's how bad it was.

I waited years for a dragon on dragon fight and I could barely make out what the fuck was even going on.

here's something, not putting your army between the enemy and your defensive fortifications, unless you are a iq89 burger that doesn't know what strategy is

>thirty years of build up and the big bad gets omae wa mou shindeiru'd, the entire threat nullified in an instant

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>CATAPULTS a siege weapon used exclusively to destroy fortifications used to try and squish infantry

>know the undead are vulnerable to fire
>have one channel barely a metre in width

>know the undead won't simply skirt the castle, since they want to kill Bran
>put all their soldiers outside where they can be flanked with ease

>know the army will fall apart when its generals die
>know they die to one hit with an obsidian/valyrian weapon
>know said generals are at the back, and for some reason too stupid to hide among the literal tide of undead
>don't hold any cavalry back to swing round and try killing them

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You don't need to know anything about battle tactics to see how fucking stupid it Is to just send all the dothraki to attack while everyone sits back and watches. Like what is the plan here? We know the dothraki alone can't defeat the enemy so it was literally a suicide run

Icing on the cake is these are supposed to be plans drawn up by some of the best minds on the continent.

You mean like Patton?

55 days and one can't even see. I can only imagine what the editors had to sit through.

The only comfort is that the poor bastards probably didn't get too burned by the trainwreck, since D&D so obviously made it unsalvageable.

>has a castle
>80% of the army is outside the castle

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Played a lot of total war, here is what i always do.
Always place troops inside fort and fight the enemy at the bottlenecks of the entrances where the numbers become less important. It also allows your archers to fire all their ammunition without taking major damage.
Always use cavalry to attack the enemies flanks or their back side, in some occasions i also use them to support isolated and outnumbered troops (they can quickly move from A to B).

>Okay let’s line everyone up outside the walls
>Excuse me director, you’re supposed to put your defenses between you and the enemy
>Oh no problem we can just put the trebuchets in front of the army

Again, that’s on D&D. They were the ones who decided Winterfell, the capitol of ALL THE NORTH, should be the size of a middling European holdfast.

What they should have done is get together a band of 20 good men armed with bows and dragonglass tipped arrows and have them hide a couple miles away from the castle but in view of it, then once the battle begins they sneak up on the walkers and shoot the fuckers, almost instantly half the undead will turn to dust. Easy win.

But the Goodmen were all killed at the Battle of the Bastards.

Ehehehehehehehe

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Cali is not what it used to be

and D&D are from New York and Chicago, and GRRM is from New Jersey, not """"Cali"""""

same shit
libcuck cities/states

At least rings had what I would call common sense tactics, like using archers on the walls for as long as they could and then retreating into more fortified areas as the fight progressed vs mindless charging into hordes

Why do modern writers think that cliche stuff is bad?
Go shove your subverted expectations and cliche aversion up your ass and give me Jon having a swordfight with the Night King while their dragons circle above them in the sky.
Cynical niggers should stay away from fantasy.

>thats how the war on terror was won tho
Fixed

cope

Arrogance and entitlement, honestly. They believe they're better than the older tales they're basing their story upon and trying to use subversion as a brute force hammer instead of a thing that should be used sparingly

Remember way at the start when Jon’s parentage was a secret from the audience and Dany looked like the obvious hero protagonist? And the surprise was finding out who Jon was? These faggots got so high on their subversion shit they fucking undid the first subversion.

>Why do modern writers think that cliche stuff is bad?
Because they are on twitter. Seriously. The writing is NOT about a series of events building to a climax. It is about the immediate Twitter reaction.

Look at Star Trek or Star Wars. Star Trek Into Darkness said the bad guy wouldn't be Khan but it was. There is a bit where Khan reveals who he is. EPIC MUSIC PLAYS. But in universe the characters have no idea who Khan is. Khan has just become a meta thing for the audience to recognise it. Similar things happen in Star Wars where the reactions and things haven't built up, it is about giving people what they know.

If people talk about it on twitter then it spreads, word of mouth and gets them more views. They want people to be shocked because they exist in a bubble where that is the only way they know something has been "successful".

Even GRRM has talked about this: if you write a whodunit and people guess who the killer is? Good for you because you left breadcrumbs and evidence for people to work it out. If however people guess it and you're upset by it so you change it? The story no longer makes sense.

Meta narratives have infected media. From adult cartoons stuffing themselves with shipping discussions to movies winking at the audience.

>EVERY MAN WE LOSE IS ANUVVA RECROOT IN DA NAHT KENG'S ARMEH
>NOW, DANY, GET YER DOFFRAKI LADS TA CHARGE THE BASTIDS!

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>jews being in charge of creating a battle scene.
That's like putting a nigger in charge of your bank account. They've never even fought a battle. Their entire history relies on deception and manipulation.

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You just reminded me of Davos referencing the "Gendry is still rowing" meme even though it made literally no sense for him to even bring that up.

Only the cool kids with plot armor are allowed inside the Winterfell treehouse.
Mook faggots have to stay outside and die pointlessly.

>You just reminded me of Davos referencing the "Gendry is still rowing" meme even though it made literally no sense for him to even bring that up.
Exactly this my friend. Gotta acknowledge memes and shit to make the audience giggle.

I was surprised Cersei didn't scream CLEGANE BOWL! GET HYPE! as she left.

You try hard to "subvert expectations" so much because you lack the creative talents to stand out and engage your audience otherwise. That's all it is usually with these types of writers. More often than not, you won't topple the king so to speak and you end up with a product the people end up hating.

I blame all these popular culture youtube channels that constantly spew out theory videos and 'X' EXPLAINED

>It is about the immediate Twitter reaction.
D&D trying so hard to make their show “memeable” was painful as hell to watch. They and Rian Johnson really stand out lately for letting audience reaction almost entirely dictate their writing.

>mfw remembering that dothraki suicide charge
Imagine facing an enemy that raises the dead and committing a suicide charge that actually gives the enemy MORE troops than they lost.

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>give nearly every relevant character who knows how to fight a valyrian weapon and put them in a position where they are highly likely to engage the White Walkers in combat should they show themselves
>they never even meet the fucking ice demons, they just spend the entire fight getting swarmed by zombies only to be shown that they are okay when the story cuts back to them
Niggers had it all set up and wasted their chance to deliver a cool moment for every character involved for literally no reason other than "it would be too cliche lol".

Apparently all of the Dothraki somehow magically survived. They were with Dany in the final episode.

Which is funny because in the episode commentary they literally say "This is the end of the dothraki".

>This is the end of the dothraki
KIND OF FORGOT

>D&D trying so hard to make their show “memeable” was painful as hell to watch.
When a show gets as big as this they want to please the fans. Unfortunately pleasing the fans means:
1. Pleasing the fans they know of, basically twitter plebs.
2. Using meta jokes and memes in the show.

Youtubers are just part of the problem. Endless speculation and nitpicking. Like a thousand Cinemasins channels. All pointless crap

Maario Naharis

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Fucking this.

Who is "they" in this context?

>war on terror was won

That's why it's still ongoing and won't ever end right? Because we won?

I will admit it was funny how bad it was considering how many shots they just straight up stole from helms deep

What are you talking about, in Two Towers they retreated to a well-stocked defensible position while their armies gathered in the field
that's sensible tactics
And without explosives they could and would have held out for months while the enemies would either have to forage for food (easily interruptible by the largely mounted army currently gathering) or else wait out the siege growing weak enough the now gathered army could have charged their position in the rear without to much risk

You can't exactly blame them for not expecting the first ever use of wall-bursting explosives in the world's history, which in turn Saruman knew and abused
This is, because in LotR, both sides have intelligent commanders with imperfect information that try to exploit eachother's weaknesses

in GoT however, both sides are led by idiots, one of which gets lucky

i remember joking around with my flatmates when we watched the episode where they capture a walker and someone kills a wight and the thralls also die. i mean got was already shit by then but we couldn't believe they would asspull the old "kill the mothership" trope for real.

Nah mate. You see in LOTR when they knew they were surrounded and out numbered by a superior force they STAYED BEHIND THEIR WALLS

i was really looking forward to some badass white walker cavallery

It's sort of hilarious that for all their "it's not tolkien" crap, they still ended up going the same route as LotR, minus everything that made Sauron's defeat work as a narrative

Oh oh, my favorite is where they put the women and children out of harms way in a crypt...against a guy who can raise the dead

Also the cavalry fucking flanked them mid-battle instead of a head-on charge at the start.

guess thats what happens when you get rid of actual storytelling to fit in more tits and oneliners.

They also charged with the sun behind them, meaning the enemy wouldn't be able to put up a proper defense due to being blinded and their natural aversion to sunlight.

>more tits
I wish.
We barely got any tits in the last few seasons.
I assume the main actresses refused to do it once they became famous enough for that to be a possibility.

and lets not forget that this happened while they were distracted due to a sally attempt from within the castle further preventing a proper response

Almost all the nude scenes were prostitutes or side characters

But it didn’t even fucking matter! No named characters died down there, no recognizable Starks revived, I still don’t know why they even bothered.

it's sort of telling that they never showed any of Robb's battles, just to avoid the embarrassment of their idiot arses trying to portray a battle waged by a tactical genius

Show Cersei had literally become all the fantasy cliche's they claimed to hate at the end. Her right hand was a fucking Necromancer, her bodyguard an undead giant and she was in league with an evil pirate King.
It's laughable

Bin Laden is dead. We won. Cope

they should’ve turned it into a musical at the end, then Bran wakes up from his coma in the early seasons for real.

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It's kind of funny how in the return of the king when a group of cavalry is ordered to charge across an open field against an enemy with overwhelming superiority it's seen as the result of a commander literally losing his mind while purposefully trying to get his own son killed. And even then he at least ordered the suicide charge in the daytime.

not to mention that the bullshit with her consequence-free terrorist attack was basically a deus-ex-machina

is there a version out where it isn't pitch black?

and then the second charge was performed by an army that was largely heavy cavalry, into the rear of the superior enemy, yet once more with the sun at their backs and it is STILL an absolutely grueling affair that causes massive casualties, including named, major characters, and nearly fails if not for a third army hitting the enemy in another flank
and even then it's rightfully seen as inferior to the book version which was an absolutely horrifying meatgrinder that, while a tactical victory for the races of man, was still a strategic victory for Sauron

I love how every single thing about this is stupid
>Cavalry chargining in without support or even seeing what they charge into
>catapults in front of infantry
>infantry outside of fortress
>infantry in front of barricades
Feel free to post more

I honestly would’ve bet 1000 bucks on the NK making it to KL before the season started.

what about knowing several weeks in advance of the enemy approach and still having not properly fortified their most likely approach

but if that happened then the North would have been left as a ruined wasteland which in turn would have made any dream of independence laughable at best
can't have logic override happy endings thats NOT what GoT is about

Cersei got the biggest plot armor out of any other character in the cast just so she could remain a threat.
Blowing up the most important religious building in all of Westeros alongside the guy who supposedly represents the Seven, a beloved great house and a shitton of influential noble families from all around the realm? No one gives a shit and the few who do get taken out by Euron and his magical teleporting ships in two minutes.
Kingdom is a debt-riddled shithole due to LF's scheming and Cersei's own retardation? Just conquer Highgarden in three seconds and use all their gold to pay it off with enough money to spare to buy the greatest mercenary company in the world.
Army is fucked after years of war? Just use the soldier-priting machine to asspull more troops.
Choosing to betray Jon & co after they prove there is an army of zombies on their way that want to kill every single living being in the world? Works perfectly and she massively benefits from it.
The extremely short War for the Dawn is over and Dany is on her way with a still massive army plus two dragons? Just have Euron 360 no scope one of the dragons and sink her fleet with his teleportation powers.
People were starving and ultra-angry at you even before you blew up a fucking temple? Everyone apparently is fine now and more than willing to trust you to protect them from a fucking dragon.

damn you Ron go to bed

seriously, blowing up the popular leader of a religion that thrives on martyrdom should have backfired beyond belief
the end result should have been King's Landing and the surrounding areas under the theocratic control of the Church leading a massive peasant army filled with religious fervor and Cercei barely making it to Lannister homelands alive
And then you have an interesting 4th faction which, while lacking in equipment and tactics, can replenish their numbers at a rate nobody else could even dream of

based and redpilled

>Fighting makes it all the way to the crypt
>Everyone outside the walls is dead
>Undead have infiltrated into the castle and are in the process of wrecking the last defenders
>Knight king kills all of Brans bodyguards
>Bodies in the crypt reanimate and wreck the women and children
>Dani's armies are pretty much gone, and what northmen and wildmen remained are now gone as well
>From the carnage shown the number of surviving humans is lucky to break triple digits after the battle
>A few episodes later there's enough dothraki, northmen, and unsullied to defeat the lannister defenders and pillage kings landing somehow

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>trench meant to keep the zombies at bay is narrow and shallow enough for a few zombies to throw themselves at it and create a bridge for their brethen
>dothrakis had literally no way to kill the zombies or the WW before Melisandre conveniently ignited their weapons
>main door is not reinforced despite the fact that a giant threw it down once and they know it's more than likely that the army of the dead has giants
>the corpses in the crypts being able to break open their stone coffins and attack the people nearby even though in the previous season they had no trouble keeping a much fresher zombie contained inside a wooden box
>Jon and Dany don't do jackshit through most of the fight despite having dragons and not needing to even leave Winterfell's walls to help

to be fair, Cercei's armies should have been gone as well
logically speaking, by the end of the series, Dorne should have had about 50% of the remaining soldiers on the entire continent

and now if THEY decided to tell the 7 kingdoms to go fuck themselves and go independent, THAT would have been believable, both from a logistical and cultural perspective

I do wonder how much of this is GRRMs fault and how much is D&D. I too imagined that everything would resolve at King's Landing essentaily with NK vs. Cersei vs. Dany vs. Jon. Splitting the climaxes was extremely jarring and made the white walker's defeat a huge whimper. The North being independent is also compltely pointless given that Bran is king, unless Sansa really was concerned about those royal taxes...

the most annoying thing was the amount of moments where a named character is close to death and gets saved. and somehow only jorah and beric get killed

Jonson is a particularly bad example.
Most of the subversions in TLJ don't make any fucking sense in setting.

>They've never even fought a battle
not without diapers, anyway.

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I'm expecting, at this point, for the fat fuck, if he lives that long, to end the series with a "Walkers win, everyone dies, should have united against the undead you stupid fucks"

>Dorne
what was that again? i cant remember

>Iron Islands spent the entire fucking show fighting for independence
>Dorne was independent till a few centuries ago and has no ties to the new ruler or any reason to bow down to him
>same goes for the Reach (which will probably be pretty pissed that Bran tried to appoint a retarded sellsword as their new ruler), the Westernlands (who have no reason to obey Tyrion) and maybe the Stormlands (assuming they didn't actually believe that some random kid with black hair is Robert's heir despite the complete lack of proof and him being a retarded blacksmith)
>yet only the North gets to be independent despite the fact that their previous claim to independence was due to not being willing to obey the southern claimants to the throne, which is kind of pointless now that Bran is in power
The Seven Kingdoms should have turned into seven actual kingdoms or at best three or four independent kingdoms and a single kingdom formed by the Crownlands, the Vale and the Riverlands.

Sam was seconds away from dying several times and saved by the magic cutaway. I laughed heartily many times during this shitshow.

HYPER MEGA BASED!
KO

Yea Forums btfo

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This is totally GRRM's idea.
He has mentioned many times how he loves the Scouring of the Shire in LotR because it shows that defeating the big bad evil overlord doesn't stop all conflict or create an eternal happy ending and blah blah blah blah.
I totally expect the books to do something like that since the fat fuck loves his cynical shit.

How invested are you guys still in this series? Enough to be excited for the prequels about the Night King’s back story and House Targaryen? I don’t work for HBO btw.

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In the end, the super secret trick Sansa learned from Littlefinger was the "go last" technique. Yara couldn't declare independence afterwards due to the ancient "no backsies" tradition

I have 0 interest in the Long Night prequel considering how much of a letdown anything related to that was.
I might check the House Targaryen spinoff if it's an adaptation of Fire&Blood showing the entire Targaryen dynasty.

But he completely misses the point of the Scouring of the Shire if he takes away cynicism from it
it ends on the rather hopeful note that, while they have suffered hardship, the Hobbits are willing to fight to defend their way of life and lets the heroes show how much they've grown over the series

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No Dany, no thanks.

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I never watched the show and just stuck around the threads for Emilia Clarke pictures.

I actually believed in this theory, not due to any strong evidence but rather because I noticed they changed the Night King's design so he would have the same ugly nose as post-puberty Isaac.
Apparently it was just a coincidence.

Would have saved the whole season, honestly.

Based

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how long until Yara gets hung by her own entrails by a bunch of pissed off Iron Islanders at the notion that the North got independence while she chose to remain in bondage AND actually listens to the king when he tells them to not raid this newly independent North?

What about Dorne, when they hear that they're going to be the ones paying to rebuild everywhere else while having the largest standing army, have a "nah actually fuck this shit" moment

Who cares anymore. If Jon had become king, it might’ve been cool, but he’s just a bum people threw to the side like an afterthought after the show spent all that time hyping him up

I couldn't give two shits about the Night King’s or house Targaryen's backstory. The only thing I might watch is the one thing they won't do which is a Robert's Rebellion series. The creators wrongly think what people want is epic maymay twists, when what we really want is more of those characters we like and they haven't ruined yet.

What a fuckin punk. That was the best.

She also had her autistic sister throw death threats at Yara so it would be clear the Starks had 0 intention to engage in any civil form of diplomacy.

Or the ultra-snobby Reach when Bronn shows up claiming he is the one in charge now even though he can't even point Highgarden in a map.

death threats that are 100% unenforceable because said sister is going to explore an unsailable ocean and die in the attempt

Lets go with your theory, very smart boy.

They actually do manage to kill all of the "melee undead" as you refer to them (video game analogy having faggot, cuz that's your only life experience) while also losing many in the process

NK raises arms. Now wot?

The threads that are my heartstrings belong to you, my lady.

A cute, A CUTE!

This. No Emilia no watch. And seeing as they fucked her over and made her sad, fuck the show, fuck HBO and fuck George. Stroke when?

>Wishing strokes on people

I know you don't want to do this, user....

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>no season long slow descend into madness as she tries to bring order and equality to a population as unwilling as they are undeserving

She’ll have the last scene at the end.

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But I do. I want George disabled, trapped in his fat body shitting himself, helpless and to watcy his books be forgotten

where the fuck are the shields?
where is the pike wall?
where are the ranged units?
why are cav horses unarmored?
and why in the fuck are they fighting during the nighttime where soldiers cant see shit?

>no Emilia
No, thanks. The fat man will never finish the books so fuck any show about it.

THEY SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE A QUASIMODO NUDE SCENE

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>in universe the characters have no idea who Khan is

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She should've taken over in season 7 right after the Sept blew up and then this, would've been kino

She was not that good anyways, if they ever do a sequel movie or some shit, I’m fine re-casting someone else. The actress being sad has no bearing on the story.

they'll just get an even fatter female to finish the books for him

I love Helm's Deep, but it's essentially another linear battle. The wall and keep at one end of a canyon, the army of Isengard at the other. It's incomparably superior to GOT and the hobbit, so maybe we can say manning the defenses counts, but there's still a lot of fantasy tactics.

Patton oswald only ever killed his wife. That doesn't mean he knows shit about battle plans.

Yeah there's a reason artillery was only commonly used against infantry after the invention of the exploding shell. In all fairness helms deep did the same thing though. But at least there there were some very large targets ,such as the war elephants, to justify the use of non explosive artillery.

While it's a linear battle, such things did happen IRL as well
there are several fortresses and cities that had only one approach

Constantinople is a famous example of such a location. It was also considered near impenetrable and at last truly fell to the development of explosives (bombard cannons in this case)
And besieged cities being relieved successfully by mounted troops also happened with a good amount of frequency, even beyond the era fantasy usually takes place in (Battle of Vienna anyone?)

helms deep did not have catapults, that was the siege of Minas Tirith

Just position your army in the corner bro

Yeah the entire production team seemed to all suffer a bout of retrograde amnesia right about then.

could have kept the Dothraki around if half of them realized it was suicidal bullshit, deserted and ran to King's Landing to join Cercei

Oh right. my bad.

and there's sort of sense to it, as well aimed trebuchets could in theory be used to target siege towers
which in turn would have, other than the gate, been the only true vulnerability as the walls were both to large to scale without them and virtually indestructible

(((((they)))))

based armchair bros, don't forget to scream "ENCIRCLEMENT" really loud

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Reminder to ignore bait and shitposts like this post lads. Great job so far

Undead Polar Bear cavalry. Imagine how horrible that could have been - seeing the Dothraki utterly annihilated by that. They did everything in their power to leech all sense of hopelessness out of the narrative, to utterly kill all sense of dramatic tension. They made no effort to explain why the Night King looked on the Three-Eyed Raven as a strategic imperative and nothing Bran did constituted any sort of threat to him. They reduced it all to a retarded, never-explained obsidian allergy, thereby removing the hints that the only way to truly defeat them was something spiritual/metaphysical that had been suggested from the very first episode of the show, as well as the title of the book series. Jon and his First Man/Valyrian heritage is of precisely zero importance, which reduces Rhaegar's prophetic dreams to yet more nothing-burgers.

Having Sersei betray them left us understanding that even if they lost the North, the vastly more populous southern Kingdoms could still field a large army to oppose them. Bookfags and showfags who paid attention knew that even if the Night King defeated the forces at Winterfell, the southern Kingdoms could still bottle them up at the Neck. And as if all that weren't enough, her duplicity was very nearly rewarded. Even the way Sersei died came off less like justice and more like petty, half-ass comeuppance.

The guys who wrote this shit are absolute retards.

Most retarded moment in the entire series. I still can't believe the morons missed the obvious set-up from literally the first book:

>There must always be a Stark in Winterfell.

It's literally right there. Now add to that what we know of the Starks' unique burial practices and the peculiar undead status of Benjen Stark. What's that add up to? A failsafe. If the Wall falls and the White Walkers come south, the dead begin to rise, but the First Men burn their dead just like the Wildlings, meaning that the countless generations of Stark dead at Winterfell are all that would rise - under the command of the Stark at Winterfell.

This is when you know you're dealing with retards. The guys paid millions for this shit couldn't even put that together, something so obviously foreshadowed yet simultaneously satisfying.

>First Men burn their dead just like the Wildlings,
Nah. There are barrowlands in the North, Roose says he buried Domeric with his brothers and we know Barbrey wanted her husband's bones

Oh, and a lychyard in Winterfell to bury servants

I could have sworn the First Men burned their dead.

Nah, that's a valyrian thing. First Men bury or inter their dead South of the Wall as far as we've seen. North of the Wall they do burn them but apparently not always since Mance was searching through old crypts and the latest Wildlings have to burn them cause of Others and the ground is frozen solid most of the time except for the land the Thenns live in so nothing else to do desu

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Nobody but Emilia retards think she's a good actress, you mong. Yea Forums has said she's shit for ages after so many seasons of GOT, Terminator and whatever other trash she was in. It's nothing against her personally, she's near the bottom of the show in terms of acting ability along with Shae, Sansa, etc.

>enemy units charge your frontline
>catapults are essentially stuck for the rest of the round and the crews are getting massacred
>could have maneuvered those bad boys around to fire into the enemies sides or pick off their archers
Have you ever even played Medieval 2?

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Doesn't "yeah i've been here since s1" Edd get killed too?

I can't believe you guys are complaining about the tactics when the worst part of the episode by far was the way that characters were tackled by multiple enemies, screaming in pain as they're clearly being eaten alive, then the camera cuts away and they're completely fine. They did this repeatedly.

Bad battle tactics are understandable, these are Hollywood writers and you can't expect them to know or care about anything related to medieval warfare. But there is no forgiving the way that Sam, Brienne, and Jaime were all clearly murdered and then miraculously resurrected via camera cutting away. D&D wouldn't even confine that to this episode either, in that Arya sequence in King's Landing she is killed 3 times and yet keeps on walking around like nothing's wrong.

>where a named character is close to death and gets saved
"Close to death" is underselling it. Sam, Brienne, and Jaime are all being eaten alive under a pile of a dozen wights each until the camera cuts to a different scene and when it cuts back they're fine.

I think a lot of people forgot most of the episode apart from the first 5 minutes cause it was so bad

In the reboot universe they didn't know who Khan was.

I remember when the show was about deep moral issues and not shitty battles.

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Ye the show casted the adults good but it was a miss with all the kids and teen characters.

I always feel bad when anything is forced to cast kids now. Just never know how they'll grow into the roles.

The weirdest thing is that there was no need for them to have Sansa being raped, it doesn't happen in the books and she's nowhere near Ramsey at all. D&D just shoved it in there for shock value. Looking at the fanbase online and at Sophie Turner's comments about the show, this more than anything else is why I can't understand why "Sansa fans" are so vehemently defending the show, they butchered her character more than any other of the Starks post-season 5. Arya being a psycho? Fine. Jon being a well-intentioned leader making dumb mistakes? Fine. Bran getting brainwashed into some kind of CoTF hivemind guy? Fine. All supported by the books. But Sansa
>being handed to the Boltons by Littlefinger for no reason
>getting raped
>betraying Jon and Rickon and almost getting them both killed
>somehow she's now the smartest character in the show because she told northerners to wear fur in the winter
It's a character assassination on par with the Dany/Stannis storylines

Dude, you just don't like her but she's not bad

>A failsafe.
I was expecting this too, and I was surprised when it turned out that the story took a different turn.

>I remember when the show was about deep moral issues
>"midge son bad"
Truly up there with The Sopranos in terms on dramatic writing.

Because they can't let the rape be for nothing. The idea that rape can be a pointless thing that leaves you permanently damaged is unacceptable to them. So they needed her to become the YASS QUEEN OF THE NORF.

If you can point me to the reference, I'll believe it, as it's been years since I read them, but I distinctly remember their treating the Starks' burial practice as something uniquely Stark. Maybe it's the fact they use crypts and deep-running catacombs instead of burial that's standing out in my mind.

>Because they can't let the rape be for nothing.
But they didn't need to let the rape happen at all. Sansa doesn't get raped by Ramsey in the books, it's her friend Jeyne Poole being falsely passed off as Arya Stark. Sansa isn't even in the North when all that is happening. Why have Ramsey rape Sansa to begin with?

I'm talking about the fans, not the writers. Regardless of whether the rape should have happened or not, once it did the Sansa fans needed to make sure it would have meaning.

Stop reminding me this shit even happened. I had nearly bleached this entire travesty from my memory until I come to Yea Forums and lo and behold another person makes another thread about it.

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>but I distinctly remember their treating the Starks' burial practice as something uniquely Stark
The actual practice of burying isn't unique to the Starks.
>Maybe it's the fact they use crypts and deep-running catacombs
Yeah it's this. The statues in the crypts with their iron swords, that's a uniquely Stark thing.

Why did people get mad about this but not drogo

>Episode 3: What we're seeing is essentially the end of the Dothraki
>Episode 5: The Dothraki kind of forgot they all died in that charge because there are tens of thousands of them running around
>Episode 3: Dragonfire can't hurt Jon because he hides behind a rock
>Episode 5: Rocks kind of forgot they were immune to dragonfire because Drogon blows up every stone building he breaths fire on
>Episode 4: Varys to Dany: "And the Golden Company have arrived thanks to the Iron Fleet"
>Episode 4: Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet even though they were discussed in the war meeting literally an hour or two before she took off

How much you want to bet that if you go deep enough, the swords are dragonglass?

this age of empire kid not total war

I wonder if there is a difference between these two characters that might change a female's opinion.

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>Why did people get mad about this but not drogo
Three reasons:
1. The show wasn't as popular back then
2. Dany becomes receptive to Drogo really quickly, bizarrely quickly, like the fastest case of Stockholm Syndrome ever
3. Both Dany and Drogo are clearly adults in the show (Emilia Clark and Jason Momoa were both in their early 20s in season 1)
In the books, Dany is a 13-year old girl who 30-year old Drogo repeatedly rapes night after night until she contemplates suicide. Good luck showing *that* on American television.

Unironically the soft bigotry of low expectations. Nobody gets upset about the Genghis Khan ripoff being a murderous rapist. When it's a guy who looks like a typical modern Brit doing it everyone is up in arms about how awful it is.

4. Drogo is a tall muscular exotic brown man, while Ramsey is basically every leftists depiction of an angry white incel.

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that smirk was when the show died for me, the shows had retarded logic on mass events, character's intelligence, but the fact that the knight king had the concept of smugness is like the ring in LOTR growing eyes winking at Frodo when it was first put in the fire

Or jews

Everything this user says plus tumblr is very invested in Sansa after all these years and self insert as her. They've written thousands of fanfics about ber being a genius and beauty without equal fucking almost every male character a roastie might consider attractive, even Drogo despite the distance, Stannis, Tywin, Roose, Robb, etc.

They just plain didn't plan it out

You're way off base here. Women fucking loved Ramsey at first, he was handsome pale psycho straight out of the Twilight movies, that's a big part of why D&D kept inserting him into plotlines where he clearly didn't belong and having him do things his book counterpart (an actual ugly white incel) never did. They gave him a pass when it came to torturing Theon and murdering children for that exact reason, the line that was crossed was the Sansa rape.

I stopped following GoT years ago because it went to shit after two seaasons, so missed a lot of drama. Followed the threads for the final season though and laughed at the trainwreck. I didn't read anything about characters being killed and then being saved by editing. Pics/links?

Sansa seemed the same age and also she went out of her way to marry him, so it wasn't even as bad

Did the Night King ever consider that he would be completely unstoppable if he just stayed behind and allow his army to kill everything?

>I didn't read anything about characters being killed and then being saved by editing. Pics/links?
Fuck off, it should be easy enough for you to look up.

Did the Night King ever consider that he's not actually a character in the original story and that he's the creation of two utter hacks who just wanted to make up an Ice Darth Maul for their heroes to kill?

They do a shit-terrible job of setting up Bran as an obstacle for him. His entire motivation for wanting Bran dead comes off as "I dunno ... spite?"

She's easily among the weakest actors in the series entire cast. This is not news to anybody but these new Emiliafags recently. You want to accuse me of hating Sophie and Kit too? I don't think they're particularly talented. Though Kit is good for action, I guess. I actually like the character, so would I want a better actress? Yeah I wouldn't complain about a more talented actress playing Dany, just as I won't complain about how they casted amazing actors for basically the entire House Lannister crew, the good Starks at the beginning, and so forth.

All memes aside, I think D&D literally forgot about Bran years ago, and sometime between cutting him entirely from a season (I think it was 5?) because they thought he didn't matter and filming season 8, GRRM must have told them that the endgame is Bran becoming King thanks to the weirwood hivemind and they scrambled to try to make it all make sense in the span of 6 episodes.

No, he's right. Emilia Clarke is one of the worst actors/actresses in the entire show. She's pretty, but her acting is horrible. Only Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington are worse.

anyone have that that graph that kept getting reposted in the got generals of the show's quality bumps and decline over seasons, & "shirtless ramsay" was the mid-point after which it only got worse?
they basically made him into a le evil psycho villain mary sue

If they were intent on having Arya kill the NK, then the NK and Jon should have been fighting and Jon losing. Then she comes in and backstabs him, mirroring Ned's fight with Arthur Dayne

Hail to the king.

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It can be a good idea to cut down on the number of characters in an adaptation, and merge some of them together if possible (especially with a story like ASoIaF, which has such a massive cast). Jeyne's character had been seen so little that bringing her back would've been kinda awkward. Was she ever even named in the show? Keeping the forced marriage in the story but switching the rarely seen fake Stark girl with an actual Stark girl who had major plot importance allowed them to adapt a fairly big plot element that happened in the books. It made it easier to tie up things (like having Jon and Sansa finally reunite and interact), and it gave the rape scene more emotional impact.
The other option available would've been to cut out the whole subplot, which would've derailed the show away from the books even before they ran out of material to adapt.

It felt a bit weird for Littlefinger's character, though. Before that point, I had believed that the one thing he wanted was Catelyn, and once he realized he couldn't have her, he wanted Sansa so that he could pretend she was Catelyn. I thought it was odd that he'd just dump her into the hands of Ramsay.

It’s like the end of The Princess Bride novel. The supposed happy ending is cut short by pursuits, misfortune, and death

SOMEBODY START THE BOBBYPOSTING BEFORE OI PISS MESELF.

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this is my headcanon, but it doesn't work, because the walkers are already dead so there's no need for the red god anymore to bring her back

I don't care if this is not how it works it is my ending

How is she bad

Can't emote for shit, her acting range and eyebrow range are about the same. There's actually a decently popular fan theory that excludes her bad acting as a meta thing, because in the books Dany is consciously trying to act like wise, stern monarch when she's really just a scared teenager.

*that excludes
That excuses

Bro, you do know D&D literally tell the actors how to act, right? Did you ever watched something with her apart from GoT and Terminator?

That's how the character is supposed to be

>her acting range and eyebrow range are about the same
Her eyebrow range is amazing though

CAREFUL, CAREFUL

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Half the time I see Dany on screen, it feel like it's just Emilia Clarke, the other half, she's hamming it up or overcompensating. When I see Tywin on screen, I don't think about Charles Dance. It's like Tyrion too, when Dinklage still cared. He was Tyrion when I watched the show, but there are times where Dinklage completely phones it in with some roles and it's so bad, all I see is Peter Dinklage on screen, not a character.

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>Bro, you do know D&D literally tell the actors how to act, right?
So they told Kit Harrington, Emilia Clarke, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, and whoever plays Bran to be as bland, emotionless, and unconvincing as possible? They told them all to be bad actors? Incredible.

That's funny. I see a different person when she's Dany. Her real personality is so much different.

A BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR

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where my battle of the blackwater bros @? the only real kino battle this show had
battle of the b*stards shitter pleb faggots need not reply

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I agree, but her acting as Dany is still bad. I think if she had been more "Emilia Clarke" while playing Dany that might have worked better, I never got the sense that Dany on screen was a pleasant or sympathetic character outside of the first few episodes where she's just being brutalized repeatedly for the sake of HBO's sex quota.

>The director is a man who has directed battles before.

That's not saying much. Almost all Hollywood battles are horseshit.

retard

Charles dance acts way more like himself in his role than Emilia does, have you seen him

They've massacred civilizations on their way back to the promised land.

How come during the battle two dragons could only kill like a few dozen zombies at a time, but during King's Landing a single landing could kill thousands of people at once?

how'd she die? I haven't watched this shit for several seasons but know pretty much everything that's happened due to incessant shitposting, yet no one has mentioned her death

>If they used the Dothraki as a strike force to get around and attack the Night Kings merry band of Snowmen, THAT would be a strategy.

The Dothraki shouldn't even be mounted. The army was running out of food. They would have had to eat the horses. The Dothraki should have manned the walls.

They didn't even want Emilia smiling for the mhysa scene, yes

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

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Removed her necklace that kept her young, and she turned to dust.

That's fucking retarded

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>I never got the sense that Dany on screen was a pleasant or sympathetic character
Yeah, she's not supposed to be the hero

>They were the ones who decided Winterfell, the capitol of ALL THE NORTH, should be the size of a middling European holdfast.

Winterfell is much larger than most castles in Europe. Only a handful of castles in Europe would be bigger than how Winterfell is depicted, if there is a single one. Maybe Malbork castle.

>kheh, nothink personnel, Komrade ;)

I don't know about any of the gay shit this thread is about, but Stannis is the one true king.

I would like go to helms deep in Emilia if you know what I mean

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Emilia is completely different from Dany bro
They literally asked Maisie and Sophie how they wanted their characters, thats why they became smug retards

For no discernible reason. They could have at least watched the movie where GRRM took his inspiration for that fucking necklace. We could have had cool shit, but noooooooo. Seriously, the final season comes off like their entire writing process is:

>What do you think would be cool here?
>OK, let's do the opposite of that.

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It's not that she's playing herself, it's that it's just Emilia Clarke "trying" to play Dany on screen instead of Dany the character just materializing on screen naturally as a part of the acting. With good actors, this is not really a big issue. With Dany, Jon, etc. I'll always not be fully immersed due to their weak performances.

She's just not very talented. People have known this for years and years about her. I'm convinced Dany comes off like such a bitch to people at times because Emilia Clarke cannot do powerful without coming off like a straight up cunt. It's not subtle in the way a Lena Headey can do it.

>Ok guys what's the plan?
>We're going to fight the army of the dead until we're losing so bad that the Night King shows himself so we can assassinate him
>...

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WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIME

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Correct. But that's all it is - ALL CASTLE. It should be a castle plus all the housing for smallfolk all contained within its walls, with yet more housing outside. What we get is literally all castle with walls so close as to afford it no real protection from siege weaponry.

That was only later on. Sophie and Maisie were always mediocre at best tho. Hell I think they tailored it to their strengths like with Sophie crying a lot, but she's not that great to begin with.

While i agree Emilia isnt the greatest, she's not bad either
Jorah, Cersei, Tywin etc are all experinced actors

Who the fuck decided la goblina would be their waifu
She's a worse waifu than olenna fucking tyrell, at least olenna would suck you off without gormlessly staring at you while making death threats

>Oh oh, my favorite is where they put the women and children out of harms way in a crypt...against a guy who can raise the dead

The dead shouldn't have been able to break out of the crypts. They are made of stone. They carried one of them in a wooden box all the way to King's Landing and it couldn't break out.

Indeed it was

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Because they're not clever enough to create anything new

Who knew it, people on Yea Forums? If you get fixated on hating any actor you won't be able to ever take them seriously, I wasn't blown away but never thought she was bad, she doesn't always come off as a cunt but that's what the character is supposed to be like

Why didn't the Night King just siege them out? All he had to do was wait a few months and everyone would have starved, no help was coming and if any dragons tried to fly away he could have just aimbotted them out of the sky with his spears. Literally all he had to do was wait.

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>implying
George is an unrealistic faggot in denial of history. Dany deserved that throne and only overwhelming force can keep a feudal society the size of South America together and propel it into the future. That George considers himself a student of history and rants about this king, realism, real history, not Disney medieval, etc. but ignores this is disingenuous

>Half. we lost half the men.

REALLY? EXACTLY HALF?

The story presented her as the big bad of the series that's all I'm saying

user men from Cali are just women lacking a vagina and tits

Which is retarded and a sign of bad writing and having the reading ability of a 5 year old on George's part. It's like he doesn't actually know anything about English history, the HRE, definitely not anything Asian or Middle Eastern

What's the difference really?

Why didn't the Night King air-drop Wights into Winterfell, raise the dead, then rinse and repeat?

I'm here for a "The Dance of Dragons" miniseries. I don't give a shit about the Night King's backstory given how retarded it all ends up being.

He's right, though.

Yeah but she's not good either is what I'm getting at with some of these folks. She's at best, replacement level. It's not a personal attack on the actress or actors as people, but in a hypothetical scenario where there's a movie/sequel, I'm unsure why I would complain about Emilia Clarke being replaced as Dany with a more talented actress. I don't care about celeb worship, so I just want to see talented actors on screen if they're gonna be the main focus.

What was really fucked up was how Sandor tells her that getting raped, "broken in" is what made her so strong AND SHE FUCKING AGREES WITH HIM. It's every awful cliche about rape-as-a-plot-device rolled into one scene. Awful writing.

>"I'm glad that Ramsay prolapsed my anus because it made me stronger"
>proceeds to do absolutely fucking nothing for the entire rest of the show
Bravo D&D.

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Khal Drogo embodies all the characteristics of women's rape fantasies, rape by a manlet is a fate worse than death

literal armchair generals

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You don't have to be a general to know that sending all your cavalry head-on into an endless horde of zombies right at the start of the battle is fucking retarded.

I disagree. I think a lot of it is on Clarke. Lena Headey at times exudes strength without needing even a word. Emilia Clarke is unable to do this to save her life. I've never seen her do it as the Dragon Queen, she always has to do something unpleasant to convey seriousness.

When she speaks to Jon on Dragonstone, I imagine it completely different if a more talented actress was in her place. Dany is supposed to emanate strength and a regal presence in that scene, as the most powerful woman in Westeros, but Clarke is hissy, overly angry as she often is and it just ruins it.

>was only commonly used against infantry after the invention of the exploding shell
you're a retard, early artillery was only used against fixed positions because it was heavy as fuck. Advances in metallurgy allowed cannons to be light enough (due to decreased thickness) to be pulled by horses over more varied terrain, which was when they saw wider use against infantry. Exploding shells weren't reliable until late 19th century, yet Napoleon was using cannons to great effect before 1800

Except Aragon didn’t burn Gondor to the ground two episodes later, but whatever

>>being handed to the Boltons by Littlefinger for no reason
Great reason:
>LF: You know Ramsay Bolton married the outlaw, Sansa Stark
>Cersei: How dear they!
>LF: I know right? Can I invade the North for the Iron Throne and be named the warden of the NOrth?
>Cersei: Sure.
It's retarded, I don't know he would want to become the warden of the North, but if he wanted to cause Cersei to justify war against the Boltons, convince her without handing them Sansa, probably could have been arranged.

>army outside of your fortifications
>charging light cavalry directly into an infantry force that is incapable of breaking because it's mindless

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reminder that normies actually liked this episode

only woke trannies did, and then they got their deserved comeuppance with the bells, bells, bells, bells bells of KINGS LANDIIIIIIIIIIIING

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better than bran

The whole point of that scene is showing that Jon is humble and she's arrogant, it's literally played for laughs

If Jaime and Brienne died during this battle, Jon had a show down with the Night King and the lighting wasn't as bad it'd have been better. Still disappointing but not as bad

>How invested are you guys still in this series?
I don't "invest" in series. I watch them.
Will watch those two.

>and why in the fuck are they fighting during the nighttime where soldiers cant see shit?
The Night King choose the time.
Also, there might not be daylight for months.