Unplanned

>late 2nd trimester

Fixed that for you

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you're not
unless it's literally your child you shouldn't waste your time with retarded shit like this

>NOOOOO NOT THE PRECIOUS BABBY WABBY ARMS ALL FLABBY, THEY'RE SO PRECIOUS!
Okay, I can't afford this baby so maybe you could help,
>NO, FUCK YOU IN THAT GAPING RUINED CUNT OF YOURS YOU MISERABLE BITCH, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD A BABY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD IT SO GO STARVE AND I HOPE YOUR CROTCH SPAWN STARVES TOO!

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i hate when people say who are you quoting
but literally who are you quoting

My favourite part of this movie was all the Pro-""""choice""""" people demanding this movie not be allowed to be screened.

>120% survival rate
>mfw the baby is actually *empowered* by the abortion

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Damnit, I wish Boomers hadn't ruined Chuck Norris jokes

>literally yelling at imaginary people in his head

>a 26-week-old baby
...is in the third trimester. MRI scans of fetuses have shown that higher brain activity generally doesn't appear until around 20 or 24 weeks.
>has about a 95% chance of survival if delivered
Such fetuses need to be placed in what are effectively artificial wombs until they've developed further. The larger point is that their ability to survive outside of their mother doesn't necessarily imply any higher brain functionality, i.e. the presence of a mind and the ability to think and feel.

MRI scans have shown that higher brain activity generally doesn't kick in until around 20 or 24 weeks. Your logic is sound - however, your assertion that it's "scientifically impossible to find when consciousness starts" isn't entirely accurate. It's obviously noteworthy that there isn't any single moment that consciousness forms, but for legal purposes if nothing else, a line has to be drawn somewhere, and per said MRI scans, 20/24 weeks seems the most apt place to do it.

>literally ignoring the enormous amount of currently existing social service handouts for single mothers
Jesus Christ you're being disingenuous as fuck.

>It's okay to kill a clump of cells when it's inside a woman. Once it's outside it's too big a clump of cells.

>but literally who are you quoting
Literally every time these topics come up on Yea Forums, literally every fucking time, we get the usual song and dance of people decrying how abortion is murder and you need to stop it because you're "ending a life" or "ending somebody's future." Yet whenever somebody actually suggests, "Okay, if abortion is illegal than we need to put money towards safe sex, birth control, affordable childcare, etc." their tune immediately changes to accusations of the "whore mother" needing to "learn her place" and just "deal with it."

These people don't want safe babies. These people don't want happy families. These people just want to see women without control over their own bodies, they want to see women reduced to breeding sows.

The fetuses being aborted (read: first/second trimester) are just clumps of cells. Their nervous systems aren't complex or active enough to be considered as thinking. No one is saying the line should be drawn *at birth*. If you were familiar with actual abortion statistics and policies, you'd know that third trimester fetuses are never aborted except in extenuating circumstances.

I don't give a shit about abortion, but I would also like to see women turned into breeding sows and fuck hogs.

You're an unthinking clump of cells

>...is in the third trimester.

Friend, the second trimester is weeks 13-28 or 14-27 depending on who you ask. 26 is in the second.

>The larger point is that their ability to survive outside of their mother doesn't necessarily imply any higher brain functionality, i.e. the presence of a mind and the ability to think and feel.
>take the baby out of the mother's body
>if you don't kill it at that point, it's a live birth of a baby
>well that doesn't prove it has the ability to think and feel

It does, you know? A premature birth is still a birth.

>No one is saying the line should be drawn *at birth*.
That is a lie. I don't think a single democrat running has stated he wants to limit abortions to only before the third trimester. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

women are evil, therefore abortion is evil

you could just close your legs you gutter slut
>b-b-b-but i need my 10 miles of dick! im empowered!

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I'm okay with abortion as long as it's black babies.

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>once again arguing against imaginary people in his mind

I mean, two thirds of Americans who identify as "pro-choice" are against late-term abortion, which is essentially killing a baby.

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>The survey found that 53 percent of Americans identify as “pro-choice” while 47 percent identify as “pro-life.” Of the “pro-choice” survey respondents, 66 percent said they oppose abortion in the third trimester, which begins at week 28 of a pregnancy and lasts until the mother gives birth at around 40 weeks of gestation. It also found that 77 percent of “pro-choice” Americans oppose removing medical care for a viable child

>I don't think a single democrat running has stated he wants to limit abortions to only before the third trimester
Democrats don't need to say this because Democrats can actually read statistics. The vast majority of abortions take place within the first 8 weeks and the only time late-term abortions happen is when the baby's either going to come out all fucked up, or the mother's life is in clear and present danger from the fetus.
Most abortions are done by black women, in fact black women are such enormous users of abortion services that they're the reason gang violence has dropped following Roe v. Wade and the black population has remained steadily around 12% for the last decade.

I'm not. MRI scans - and any number of behavioral tests you could run on me - will demonstrate that I'm capable of thought, just like you. You'll not find that to be the case with early-term fetuses. Nice meme, though.

I'm not sure that adds up since, out of a 9 month term, the second term ends at the beginning of the 6th month, i.e. 24 weeks.
>It does, you know? A premature birth is still a birth.
And a birth doesn't necessarily equate to the being being birthed being capable of thought or feeling. It's a big leap with zero justification.

AFAIK you're correct that Democrats - along with doctors or any number of experts - haven't advocated for a hard-set legal limit. This is it to allow for the aforementioned extenuating circumstances, e.g. the baby has some serious genetic disorder, the birth has a high probability of killing the mother, and so on. Doctors don't approve third trimester abortions for any little reason.

>still scientifically impossible to find when consciousness starts
Maybe because it even doesn't exist.
>obviously a 30 cell fetus an hour after insemination isn't a human
It's biologically human therefore human

i appreciate you giving me a real answer but this isn't the stage for it, you're just going to get into arguments that do nothing but make both sides upset and no matter how hard people on channel 4 try, nobody is going to make anyone else move on their stance
i'm not even going posit an opinion because it just furthers the vicious cycle of autism

So explain how it's fair that a mother can decide to keep the child, when the father doesn't want one, and legally force the father to pay for it.
I'd be all for your "right to choose" as long as men were given the same.

>wtf why do my actions have consequences?! I should be able to be a stupid slut 24/7 and never have to deal with my problems, AND the government should foot the bill every time

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>or the mother's life is in clear and present danger from the fetus.
Bullshit, they also mention "the health of the mother." Which they, when pressed, will state that it includes mental health. Which basically means for any reason.

What is the number of cells when a clump of cells turns into a person?

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But now you're moving away from the idea that the fetuses are people and moving toward the idea of inflicting fetuses on women as a punishment for being sluts, which is legally laughable. Please think before you type.

Can you cite any statistics about third trimester fetuses being aborted for """mental health""" reasons?

>And a birth doesn't necessarily equate to the being being birthed being capable of thought or feeling.

Well, babies are pretty dumb in general, yeah, but they tend to get smarter if you don't murder them before they reach adulthood

>I'm not sure that adds up since, out of a 9 month term, the second term ends at the beginning of the 6th month, i.e. 24 weeks.

Oh, I get the problem -- the term isn't exactly 9 months. A normal pregnancy is between 37 and 42 weeks.

women don't deserve rights

>your assertion that it's "scientifically impossible to find when consciousness starts" isn't entirely accurate
It's not only accurate, but an understatement. Science doesn't even have the capability to tell you if a particular thing is actually conscious (assuming anything except myself is conscious and not a p-zombie which is outside the scope of this post) it's only able to make weak guesses based on crude understandings of the most basic elements built solely on observation. The idea you can pinpoint the moment something you don't actually have the capability to even verify as existing starts to exist is laughable and an obvious attempt to add a thing veneer of scientific legitimacy to something that otherwise has none.

>Can you cite any statistics about third trimester fetuses being aborted for """mental health""" reasons?
Not yet, people with morality are still restricting them as much as we can, but these radical laws are actively being pushed.

why are liberals so evil bros

In the interest of safety, it'd probably then be a good idea to ban the procedure at any time it's even reasonably possible to be killing a viable human being, unless it's for a pressing medical reason.

When the fetus has a 50% or greater chance at surviving outside of the mother, aka 25+ weeks.

So brave....

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So if you only have a 49% chance to survive you're not a person?

>people with morality are still restricting them as much as we can
The same people who post things like ?

Is this a horror movie or something?

Well, you got me. I guess if one pro-life person is a troll, that means women should be able to kill their babies for any reason.

jesus christ

Don't act like there's not completely mental shitstains on all sides

Absolutely, though I guess we could get generous and say the line stops at 3/5ths.

>hey everybody check out my adult decision and how strong i am for doing le adulting
>speaks like an actual child
what did xe mean by this?

imagine being such a castrated little faggot that you actually believe feminism is a good thing

Bones in babies are very soft

There's no cut and dry line, but it's absolutely clear that a just-fertilized egg isn't a person but a toddler is. Purely for legally purposes, you do have to draw a line, and I think that 20/24 weeks (when higher brain activity begins to appear) is the most appropriate cutoff after which aborting fetuses should become unacceptable except for critically important reasons.

Well, babies are pretty dumb in general
Babies have a ton of brain activity and are capable of rudimentary thought and can experience sensations, i.e. they'd feel pain as they were killed. That's not true of a first/second trimester fetus.

You're basically making a philosophical argument about what consciousness is. From a practical perspective (read: a scientist's perspective), the qualities of what we generally consider as consciousness absolutely can be fairly clearly laid out. Moreover, and perhaps more concretely, science absolutely can tell us when fetuses have accreted enough brain power to actually subjectively experience the sensations they receive from their nerves, which is really what we're talking about.

I haven't ever heard of anyone getting a third trimester abortion for mental health reasons, and unless you have any evidence, I'm disinclined to take it seriously as a problem.

>conceptualizing your own children as less human than literal slavemasters treated their slaves

That's a society on its way out

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>it's just a clump of cells bro

The aboslute state of pro choice NPC's, you're just as those crazy pro-abortion people, and you should all be hung for crimes against humanity.

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Good think it is perfectly legal to abort strait up to the second of delivery in 50/50 states. Your argument means nothing.

damn this nigga think he hemingway with the novels lmao! worldstar!!! GOT HIS ASS

>Most developed countries ban abortion after 6 weeks because of this
Then there is America

Abortion is killing a human. Humans are humans the moment that zygote is formed. An egg is still a chicken, just at an early stage. Same with a zygote and a human. Yeah, it's retarded, but so are 2 year olds.

That said, I fully support abortion to whatever arbitrary point the government sets. My ex had two because she would've been a shit mom and I didn't want kids with her. That's what happens when a woman secretly goes off birth control to trap you with a kid you don't want--you tell them to suck that fucker out.

>but it's absolutely clear that a just-fertilized egg isn't a person but a toddler is.
But that's wrong. A just-fertilized egg is just a young toddler. They are the same thing. And old person isn't more or less human than a young person.

>That's not true of a first/second trimester fetus.

Again, if it's a viable birth, it's a baby. There are plenty of late-2nd-trimester births walking around today. Killing a viable human birth is literally infanticide, and there'd better be a legitimate health threat to the mother.

And yet we have people like who genuinely believe, with heart and soul, that women are some demonic breed of unthinking sociopaths that will tear out their wombs at the first opportunity unless they have the firm guiding hand of a BIG STRONG MAN in their life (amen!) So what *should* happen is the woman is forced to have that crotch spawn, they're forced to give up whatever life and career they had to look after the little mongrel (don't act like most of these abortions aren't half-breeds or niglets) and then said mistake can grow up to get shot in a gang war.

>Omg why do my actions have consequences?

>ranting delusion
>muh -isms

Man, I wish tards hadn't ruined the NPC meme

Some of the literally are sociopaths who kill their babies because they don't want them.

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This can’t be a real scene from unplanned Jesus fuck

real Yea Forums hours
WHO UP???

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I think it's okay to kill people, so I think abortion is ok.
Bye.

Holy shit was that a whole fucking assload of assumptions. I guess "assload" is appropriate, seeing as you seem to have yanked them straight from the depths of your own ass.

How do you feel about women who go off birth control and get pregnant so they can wring child support off their boyfriend? Does the man deserve it, do you secretly cheer at how that retarded slab of testosterone got bamboozled?

IDK what your on about. Single mothers get thousands every month in welfare if they bother to apply for it.

Anti-science brainlet. Please read the arguments I've laid out in this thread before you post more drivel.

Good job replying to that post without reading the rest of this thread first. We've already discussed this.

They're not the same thing, because a toddler is self-aware, thinks, and feels, and a just-fertilized egg doesn't. Their both having human DNA isn't what determines their status as people - their ability to think and perceive is.

We already discussed this earlier in the thread.
a) Fetuses delivered that early have to continue to mature in what are effectively artificial wombs.
b) Even so, the ability of an organism to be born doesn't necessarily say anything about its ability to think and feel. We can argue about legal semantics and what constitutes "infanticide" all day - I'm simply pointing out that from an ethical perspective, killing a second trimester fetus shouldn't constitute murder.

>30 cell fetus an hour after insemination
embryonic cell division doesn't occur that quickly

>An egg is still a chicken
What about a quail egg?

Damn, are they really 30 cells already, after insemination?

Are there people who actually think this is what abortions look like?

>pro-abort’s only argument is muh wammans feelings and muh career
>cant even bother to hide his disgust for preborn babies

Demonic tier simp shit right here lol

Boy oh boy, you're not ready for Christ Kino. watch the God's (Not) Dead series, it's a hoot.

back in the old days if you had a kid and they were less than a year old and you realized you couldn't handle them you were generally able to just leave them in the woods and it was an open secret that people were basically okay with

imagine thinking this is how pregnancy works...

>It's not a person because I have subjectively decided it's not a person.

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Single mothers are actually the only group that can even apply fro straight up "cash assistance" in most places, outside of the disability system.
Homeless? Fuck you, deal with food stamps.

It's more about when and why is it ok to kill people?
Random person? no
Repeat child rapist criminal? yes
Unborn child? no

A chicken egg is still a chicken, dick. You know what I meant you rascal.

There is no good reason to have a baby killed. Children aren’t just things you can toss into the garbage if they inconvenience you, you fucking monster

...then it must be the patriots!

literally any definition is "subjective".

>B O N E S
> F E T U S
i hate the american education system so goddamn much.

My definition is that it becomes a person the instant it is created, which is objectively true.

Hey man, making the rounds are you? Saw your post in another thread.

>What about a quail egg?
*btfos the whole thread*
checkmate atheists

That's not an entirely unreasonable position, but then it begs the same question via the different phrasing of "when the margin of safety large enough?" leaving you with the same basic ethical issue, only in a more roundabout and conservative way.

>You're basically making a philosophical argument about what consciousness is.
It's almost like it's actually a philosophical issue and not something you can apply the shoddy framework of incomplete scientific understanding to.

>the qualities of what we generally consider as consciousness absolutely can be fairly clearly laid out
Oh I hadn't heard about that development. I'll have to catch up on my journals. Did lobsters make the cut for consciousness? I know there was some ambiguity there and really it's been killing me not knowing.

>to actually subjectively experience the sensations they receive from their nerves
Which as my factious previous statement should have indicated is still an absurdly hotly contested part of the debate on exactly what it takes to turn something from an unthinking biological automaton into an entity that can experience the world.

>36 ips arguing about abortion
i wonder how many have actually had intercourse

That's not really what my argument is. There's a long philosophical history on the subject of what constitutes personhood - you'll see things like self-awareness, theory of mind, perception, and things like that tossed around. Intrinsically, having human DNA is meaningless. If a human is born with some freak condition where they only developed enough brain to pump their heart and lungs... and the rest of their cranium is empty, then they're human by virtue of having human DNA, but they clearly aren't people, and you'd be hard pressed to make an argument why killing that brainless human would be unethical seeing as killing it wouldn't cause it pain or distress - killing that organism would be no more unethical than cutting a blade of grass. Do you see my point?

It becomes a unique *human* the instant it's created - it's not a person yet. See the above.

Stop trying to debate abortion on Yea Forums. It always goes the same way.
>it's just a clump of cells
>>it's murder
>>>what race is it?
>>>>human life isn't worth defending anyway

>dude virgins lmao

Just go back to twitter you dead brained woman

in brad jone's review, he played the wilhelm scream here, and i couldn't stop laughing.

also, now i REALLY want a strawberry smoothie.

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Then the question becomes a subjective one of "does human life have any intrinsic value?"
IMO, no, it does not. No life has any intrinsic value or worth. We rarely even try to assign it to any but ourselves & even then only to the point where it impacts our convenience or shekel flows, then fuck them.
We're REALLY not exempt. You could eliminate 90% of existing humanity tomorrow & nothing inherently bad would happen.

actually i'm from reddit
get it right next time ;)

if only they would
H A V E
S E X

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duh

Powerful

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>a) Fetuses delivered that early have to continue to mature in what are effectively artificial wombs.

So what? The advance of medical technology doesn't invalidate life, that's insane. The average lifespan in this country has nearly doubled, thanks to medical advances -- should we start killing people once they start needing hip replacements?

>b) Even so, the ability of an organism to be born doesn't necessarily say anything about its ability to think and feel. We can argue about legal semantics and what constitutes "infanticide" all day - I'm simply pointing out that from an ethical perspective, killing a second trimester fetus shouldn't constitute murder.

A useful rule of thumb would be if an fetus can survive outside the womb, then killing it at that or any subsequent point would be infanticide. It's the earliest point where the act of intervention is clearly ending a life that would otherwise continue, like any other human at any other point of its life would continue living if you don't kill them with a hammer.

And that point is toward the end of the 2nd trimester, sorry you don't like that the human gestational process is more complicated than a neat division into three arbitrary time periods.

We need to care about the people that are already here, walking around on this Earth right now. A woman at 17 still has a lot of growing up to do, a lot of education and career-building she can do, and you're going to throw all of that away for a 2 week old zygote that's going to take 18 years to grow up into a person under horrible circumstances. Maybe the zygote beats the odds and becomes a happy, functional member of society. That isn't what usually happens. But you know what makes happy families and successful, thriving children? Financial security, a stable home, two parents with college educations. None of that will happen if you ban abortion.

But yeah, okay. If you want to ban abortion than we have to figure out another way to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Abstinence does not work. It does not work. It does NOT work. The states that used abstinence-only sex education are also, coincidentally, the ones with the worst incidents of unwanted pregnancy (and teenage pregnancy.) So what I say is this; places that ban abortion should give out free birth-control to teenage girls. They should tell them how to use it. They should educate people on what sex is, on how to wear a condom, on how important it is to be safe in the bedroom. If we're going to remove the means to "fix" the mistake, we should be putting in double-time to teach people how not to make the mistake in the first place.

it's objective for you personally but not universally objective. "Life form" is an objective concept outside of human empirical experience. "Person" is not.

sneed

But 99% of the time we're not talking about abominations with no brains, we're dealing with normal humans beings. You cannot kill a human being who has done nothing wrong. If you don't agree that human life has intrinsic value, well, I can't convince you otherwise, but I feel perfectly comfortable using the state to stop you from committing murder.

>That's not an entirely unreasonable position, but then it begs the same question via the different phrasing of "when the margin of safety large enough?" leaving you with the same basic ethical issue, only in a more roundabout and conservative way.

Well, since we hopefully all agree that killing people is bad, the margin of safety should of course be the absolute maximum for the fetus that doesn't endanger the life of the mother.

Formerly

Abortion is evil but we also need to ban birth control - but y’all not ready for that conversation

Pro tip : sex creates babies, get married and stop having premarital sex. Your ex is literally guilty of murder

I feel the need...

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You’re complicit in murder bro I’ll pray for you but you need to get right with God

Sure, while we're telling people what to do with things that are no one business but their own and effect no one but themselves, lets also ban waifus and saying the n word. See you in prison.

>Abstinence does not work. It does not work. It does NOT work.

Why are you repeating yourself, especially in a text medium? Were you clapping as you typed that?

>places that ban abortion should give out free birth-control to teenage girls.

Sounds reasonable. Also, most people, even 66% pro-choice people, want to ban LATE-TERM abortion. In most developed countries, like Canada for example, abortion is illegal after the 6th week except in cases of medical emergency. We've actually got some of the loosest abortion law in the world, no matter how much it seems like the opposite

fake

What kind of shirt is this?

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Well maximum is just not doing it at all and avoiding the question entirely. Advocates act like it's the end of the world but given how many different kinds of retardproof birth control exist today it's at most a trivial inconvenience in the grand scheme of things.

Kyrie eleison...

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>doesn't care his kids were killed
This is your brain on Hollywood.

I can't stand babies, so the less of them there are the better. Though it's preferable that the ones that are born are white.

Could be fake but 1900 upboats aren't

Don't pray, user. Satan has won. God has no power here.

SEETHING

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Here's a good one:
youtu.be/zuFA3DmglwI

Unborn babies also here, they are separate people from the mother and deserve the same rights as everyone else in the country.

All the rest of that is just making excuses for women being whores.
Abstinence literally does work you stupid idot,
Don't have sex, you literally can not get pregnant. Not that I'm saying it's practical cuz humans love to fuck, just you are factually wrong saying it doesn't work.

These days there are dozens of options to not get pregnant before and after the fact.
Women need to stop being whores, and murdin babies because they're too lazy to use a condom, take the pill, take birth control, have the baby and adopt it away or just not have sex.

>dude just have kids that you aren't prepared for and don't even want because muh feelings lmao

Babies are one of the easiest things there is to make. They're cheap.

>separating sex from procreation
>doing violence against the order of creation
These things all have a disastrous effect on society. People become fucking objects. Even married couples just use each other to jack off. Abortion becomes the necessary backstop when you slip up and have to kill that baby you never wanted to have. But like I said - lolberts like you aren’t ready for this conversation

>Why are you repeating yourself, especially in a text medium? Were you clapping as you typed that?
It's called emphasis, something you use when you're trying to hammer in a fact many people willfully ignore - for example, all of the people here that have said women "deserve" to become single mothers because they shouldn't be "sluts." The child no longer becomes a thing they're trying to protect, it becomes a punishment on the mother.
>Also, most people, even 66% pro-choice people, want to ban LATE-TERM abortion
Of course, I'm completely in agreement with you there. Late-term abortion is monstrous and should only ever be allowed in extenuating situations where the child was going to die anyway, and at least it won't take the mother with it. But you know what I don't like? How many of these Red States make it very, very difficult to actually get a pre-8th abortion. I'd give you the specific names of the laws, but we've got States that try to do everything from the mother needing to visit two+ doctors to "confirm" what they're doing is safe or even go in for an ultrasound so the mother can hear the baby's little bitty heartbeat, so they can "see" they're "slaughtering" an "innocent." If this isn't an emotional ordeal, the fact all of this can stretch out into months means the mother's only getting more pregnant, more guilty and less likely to get her "easy" abortion.

Why did you have sex then?

Pro choice faggots revealing themselves to be dead-eyed small-souled psychopaths with ever post lol

Maybe you should cum inside your gf then you soulless fuckin idiot, or adopt it away if you're too stupid to take care of a literal baby.

>because a toddler is self-aware, thinks, and feels, and a just-fertilized egg doesn't. Their both having human DNA isn't what determines their status as people - their ability to think and perceive is.

Bad argument there buddy. Newborn babies aren't self aware. It may think, but it does so on an unconscious level, no more than a dog thinks, and feels no more then a dog thinks. The ability to think and perceive isn't what gives them rights. It's them being a human which gives them rights, just as a dead body, no longer able to perceive and think, still has some rights, because it's still a human body. Same thing for the heavily mentally impaired. They are able to think and perceive in some cases, less than an animal. Yet they still are a human being with rights. Your argument is completely lacking.

Abortion is wrong because we judge the rights of the person based on a combination of two things: It being human, and it being capable of reaching it's innate human potential of becoming a self actualized adult, capable of joining society. Both of those exist as a fetus, thus you cannot justify killing the fetus based on your criteria. Just as if someone is in a coma, you base your decision on what should be done on the potential of it coming out of the coma, irrelevant of it was conscious in the past or not, because your decision is based ONLY on the idea of it becoming possibly conscious again.

>The child no longer becomes a thing they're trying to protect, it becomes a punishment on the mother.
Yes, by defending the child we are punishing the mother. It's not one or the other. These children need to be saved from horrible people.

>These children need to be saved from horrible people.
Are you offering to adopt one of them?

Ok, let's forget about "morality" which is as shit of an argument as "human rights".
It's a fact that most of the abortions are done by single mothers who can't afford having a child, rape victims, black people, people who accidentally made a child in an incest intercourse and women who are in no condition to give birth and it's dangerous to their health and life. Now you ban abortion because MUH MORALITY MUH JESUS. What happens. Tons of women who were already pregnant give birth to kids that they either can't afford or just kids with disabilities. Some women also die at birth. Some women do abortion illegally in bad conditions. Some women kill their babies cause they can't afford to raise them, they go to jail. Some women raise their children in awful conditions. Some kids go to orphanages. What do you think will become of children of single mothers/rape victims/poor black people? Most of them will probably go down a crime path. Crime levels nationally increase. Tons of illegal abortion centers with awful conditions.
If you ban abortion Jesus won't fucking bless your country so it'll be prosperous. Abortion is not something women in happy marriages, with a normal functioning family usually do. Does it happen sometimes even in such environment? Yes. But it's more of an exception.

ABSTINENCE DOES NOT WORK

I still can't believe we allow babies to be killed like this. This is the ACTUAL Holocaust we should be concerned about.

Women will be whores as long as men like this exist.

at the end, I do think that abortion should be viewed as something bad, but it should not be fully banned.

Do you perform abortions?

>I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL

Are you saying you cummed on a tissue and your gf stole it and shoved it up her coochie?

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>BUT GUN CONTROL TOTALLY WOULD

>being poor is worse than being dead
Do you fucking psychos even fucking listen to yourselves

>carry a baby around for 9 months and go through the extricating pain of squeezing it out so you can give it away in order to not hurt some delicate faggot's feelings
vs
>go to a clinic and have a non sentient glob of cells removed in 10 minutes

Tough choice.

>being poor is worse than being dead
It literally is.

Can we all agree if abortion is legal, murder/suicide should also be legal?

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>My actions shouldn't have consequences! I want the easy route out of all hardship!

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>That isn't what usually happens. But you know what makes happy families and successful, thriving children? Financial security, a stable home, two parents with college educations. None of that will happen if you ban abortion.

Society would collapse after a few generations actually if that was the case because of the low birthrates. Not to mention 2 parent households that last are becoming increasingly rare, women in the workforce rather than staying at home and raising the children has already damaged them, a lack of a strong father figure has damaged the family, etc. etc.

I don't know what fantasy you're dreaming in relation to abortion, but it's not right.

Abortion is basically the result of a much bigger societal ill.

>suffering through poverty for years, and possibly even your entire life, is better than just being killed before you even know that you're alive.

There's nothing wrong with legal suicide

>“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

If you don't stand up for the right of all humans to live, you might as well be aborting the Lord, Jesus Christ.

If by some delicate faggot you mean the God who’s gonna dab you straight into hell then yeah it shouldn’t be a tough choice

Nobody who affirms the existence of the human genome can deny that abortion is deliberate murder of convenience. You are a unique genetic code, a combination of those of your ancestors which has never and will never occur again on this Earth. This code, the unique blueprint for any one of us, is present from conception.

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Anti-natalists are the biggest retards.
Don't be one.

What's wrong with easy routes? Are you masochistic?

>forcing yourself to suffer consequences when you can just not do that

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DNA isn't a being. You can't murder code.

>perform action
>faced with consequence of action
>respond to consequence
>"NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT MY FEELINGS :("

>Perform murder to get out of consequences
>This is somehow acceptable
Really makes you think. How many landlords have you killed to get out of rent payments?

"murder"

Compared to smart people you are a clump of cells

You realize you don’t get to make this decision for people, right? The last time
I checked the vast majority of poor people don’t kill themselves so I think they’ve decided.

Yes a ban on abortions will likely see an increase in crime rates. That's just how it is. So if you care about that, then yes that's a fine argument to make. Obviously there are rebuttals to that but Ill ignore them. If this was the main argument made for being pro abortion, atleast I could respect that side for making a decent point rather than them fixated on the obvious untruth that a fetus isn't a human.

But with that said, clearly the fact that a woman would get an abortion is indicative of a big problem in society.

Yes.

im not religious but you're wrong. The magic occured, the spark of life was created, and abortion is murder. I'm still all for it if thats what irresponsible losers want to do with their offspring, but it disgusts me.

Going to hell is gonna be a real bruh moment for you then

Why are you debating morality on a forum that doesn't care about morality?

>You realize you don’t get to make this decision for people, right?
Oh, how ironic

>have business model that demands child sacrifice
>market yourself to pregnant women
>"think about your career"
>"think about your education"
>"think about your body"
>"think about you"
>promise mothers their problems will go away
>"just give me the child"
>be Planned Parenthood
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But it clearly does as demonstrated by us - the forum - arguing about it

conscious is a deflection argument. the second the sperm fertilizes the egg, life is created. you know that unexplained energy you have that makes your heart beat and your blood pump? some people call it your soul? thats life.

>Yes a ban on abortions will likely see an increase in crime rates.
Abortion is unethical, but compulsory sterilization for undesirables is the most ethical act you can visit upon a society that's ever conceived.

>EGGSDEE I'M SO DARK AN AMORAL. I DUN CAR BOUT NUTHIN

it's a larp

>basing major life decisions on what you think would make a character from Jewish mythology happy

That seems a bit silly.

Yet half the arguments here amount to "haha you actually care about morality"

It's the typical argument of a weak person

its almost like having sex is an adult activity that comes with adult repercussions and responsibilities. I'll bet you're the kind of person who tells teenagers that they deserve to be in debt for taking out ridiculous loans too.

I’m deciding that you shouldn’t be able to kill someone - you’re preemptively deciding that a certain set of people’s lives aren’t worth living when they are literally living them right now.

I just hate roasties

>letting bronze age mythology rule your mind
Real cuck hours.

>sex is an adult activity
Sex is random just like anything else in life

The problem is that YOU think YOU know what's best for them by saying this. If people suffer through poverty, and would rather be dead, then they can (and some do) kill themselves. That's a choice they make. However, most do not, thus, life in poverty is preferable to not existing.

Have you ever been poor man? You sound like a well off cunt who's never been poor and so you see them through this weird lens where they would all be better off dead. I've been in poverty, living in my car for 2 years, getting food at a foodbank, washing myself in the stall of the mcdonalds restroom with a damp cloth. Yeah it was no picnic. But I didn't think "Geeze I sure wish my mom killed me when I was a fetus", and if you think most people in poverty think that, you're not living in reality.

You are at a stage of human development, growing or otherwise according to that code. Another human is at a different stage, who gets to decide which of you can be justifiably murdered for convenience? How could you possibly justify your own life?

You can decide whatever you want, peoples still will be murdered. You save no one

>basing major life decisions on what you think would make Moloch worshipping pedophiles
and literal Satan happy

I'd rather be shielded in the righteousness of Christ, thank you.

said the irresponsible twat

Yeah, and my irrensponsibility is prove my statement

There is no you. There is no being. It's literally just a liquid slurry contained in a molecular wrap. It's no more important than a germ, it's nothing.

I actually thought of a similar proposal, to give a lump sum of cash to anyone who will willingly be surgically sterilized. Something like 2 grand. Which seems like a lot, but would literally save SO much money in the long run. Would go around offering it to junkies and, lets be real here, most of the black community. I'd hit up all the heavily liberal colleges too. I mean liberal birthrates are already super low, but hey, whatever I can do to help, and I'm willing to bet a lot of them will gladly accept to be sterilized if I tell them it's to fight white supremacy.

if someone's child is born brain dead or with mental deficiencies (and let's say they let them live up to the age of ten just to spice it up), are the parents allowed to kill this child because it is not self-aware and does not think?

Okay, I understand you personally not getting an abortion because you find it morally objectionable, but why get so worked up over some teenage whore or nigger you will likely never personally meet having a fetus sucked out of them?

Do you cry every time there's a news story about some bitch killing her kids?

Yeah, why not?

Then end your slurry of suffering, meatbag

You'd understand if you cared about anything but the latest Marvel movie. Contrary to the wisdom of the Joker, we don't live in a society anymore.

>he doesn't know

Christ is real. Your heart is hardened and it's not your fault. Just know that He loves you and will be so happy when you come back to Him.

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most of time it's christcucks trying to get their heaven points.
Christianity and monotheism is such a fucking disease the only worse thing than it is atheism.

Eh depends. We live in a society that's based completely around agreed upon morality, which is basically law, so it's not strange to make morality based arguments. I mean if we just made biologically based arguments while excluding morality, most of the world should be killed off, the strongest survive, eugenics would be common place, there would be mostly whites, and women would be housebound and only made to breed and provide care for infants.

Actually...that doesn't sound too bad.

your whole argument is that the baby will likely be born black LOL, so should we just start sterilizing black people according to your logic?

Their blood cries out for justice. Women who drown their children in bathtubs face justice. Women who vacuum out their children's brains do not.

You sound like a bit of a nut, my dude.

We don't need "heaven points". Christ has already conquered sin with his redemptive work on the cross. The Good News is that we are all already saved.

That's not even compulsory. You're quite the humanitarian user, but we need people like you in the world.

>I get a warning for posting an off topic comment yet this thread continues to exist
Jannies are worthless and the equivalent of cops

>We live in a society that's based completely around agreed upon morality
Maybe 50 years ago or so. We don't live in a society at all anymore.

I'd rather appear foolish in the eyes of man than appear foolish in the eyes of my Lord.

They should have been aborted

There always a guy who ruins fun

At which point does it stop being a liquid slurry and become a human being? The precise moment. And why does it become a human being at that moment? What features are instilled into it at that moment that differentiate it from being a slurry, and being a human being?

>Do you cry every time there's a new story about some bitch killing her kids?

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>Do you cry every time there's a news story about some bitch killing her kids?
Society isn't defined by it's exceptions or extreme outliers or even what it claims to be defined by, it's defined by what it tacitly tolerates.

>The problem is that YOU think YOU know what's best for them by saying this.
Actually, the mother is making the decision for them. You know, the parent all children should "honor." It's a Commandment, even. So if mom says you gotta go, you gotta go.

There is no answer to this question that isn't entirely arbitrary and couldn't be reasonably expanded to encompass the poster himself

Honor and obey aren't the same thing.
Murder is murder.

A person is an individual with consciousness and thought. When a sperm cell touches an egg cell this is not created.

You know you just got BTFO when you post retarded shit like this lmfao

Moloch worshippers on suicide watch we did it Christbros

The Phoenicians built a lasting trade empire and challenged Rome, they also invented the alphabet. I think that's a leg-up on some Semitic goat-herders that got gangbanged between Egypt and Babylon.

You do not have consciousness nor thought and should be killed by the authorities.

Because I think people with a brain have figured out the slippery slope of leftism is very real, and the arguments provided for being pro-abortion can easily be applied to a hell of a lot of other very questionable things. I mean jesus look what happened with the justification for gays, and that same justification being used now for drag kids and tranny kids.

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That means unconscious man is not a person

Thank you for these irrelevant wikipedia factoids based autistic "savant"

>when you go to sleep and your neighbor shoots you in the head
>tfw it’s legal because you weren’t conscious

I'm saying their gods were stronger than your gods.

Indeed. It just ends up being like many of the positions of the left where everything is generalized to being on a "spectrum" so nothing objectively true can exist and no lines can be drawn.

Murder is a victimless crime, user.

We got Rome tho nigga lmao

And if a man loses consciousness temporarily along with thought? No longer a person? If I see someone having a heart attack, within 25 seconds of having a heart attack that person loses pretty much all EEG function. They are essentially dead. Can I rape them before calling 9/11? They're not a person after all. Or how about if a relative just died who I had the hots for? Nobody will mind if I fuck it before it's buried, right? Because it's not a person?

>we
you just loser from Yea Forums and you have nothing, don't be flattered

I'm sure those kinds of witty Marvel quips get you lots of karma

If you gave someone a poison that didn't kill them until 9 months later you would be guilty of murder.

and yet Christ died for me just like everyone else

It's kinda sick that you are so proud about some person suffering for you

>most
A greater proportion of black women have abortions, but you're still talking about trading 390,000 white children for 280,000 dead niggers a year in straight numbers

is that real abortion footage

Faggot

Yes

Deat Christcucks what you think about God basically sending his own son to die to redeem His and other's irresponcible actions?

I don't know the moment, but I know a single cell isn't a human.

Always funny how bloodthirsty "pro-life"people are.

Temporarily disabled conscience is not the same as a conscience that was never created.

See above plus a corpse is the remains of a person which had individual thoughts and consciousness, a fetus never had those things.

Wut?

Jesus died to absolve mankind from the primodial sin

>unfathomably ancient being exists for trillions of years doing who knows what to entertain itself
>creates life, likes it, wants to have personal relationship with it, but is an inscrutable, formless entity of infinite power and holiness so the people die when they see it
>it gives them rules to follow to interact with it safely
>they are dumb and can't follow the rules
>it gets a novel idea
>it would spend a few millennia engineering a race of people and interact with them just right to engender them with specific attitudes and behavior patterns to eventually produce the perfect mortal vessel for itself
>the carefully engineered behaviors and attitudes of the people would lead them to intentionally sacrifice the being's mortal vessel to itself
>this action breaks the established rules of the universe so the people can come face to face with it
>just because it likes us and wants to spend time with us

YHWH is a pimp.

Yeah, God fully aware made son to suffer for other's mistakes.

>NOOOOOO I DON'T WANNA BE DEAD

one cell two cell
red cell blue cell

>that was never created
Of course it was never created. Because you kill it before the start

God required a sacrifice for atonement, per His covenant with the Israelites. So he gave them Himself as a perfect sacrifice to end the need for atonement forever.

A thrilling, thought provoking response.

its not a human yet, but its life. whether you want to call abortion murder or not is irrelevant, you are taking life with abortion.

The truth isn't propaganda.

If single-celled organisms are relevant, then every animal on earth takes life every second of its existence. You took life typing on your keyboard, you killed millions of microscopic organisms to moralize about killing microscopic organisms.

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Christ is not "God's son".
Christ is The Logos, God's actual speaking voice, which is the force that created the universe.

It IS a human. You think forensics dismiss evidence when they find skin cells under fingernails because it doesn't look like a human?

You think skin cells are human beings?

Single cell of human grows in to human. You kill it, you kill human. what it is so hard to understand?

imagine thinking abortion, which kills millions of niggers and spics, is bad
that's how fucking dumb /pol/tards are

yea but the organisms on my keyboard had a 0% chance of growing up to become a human of my own flesh and blood. for the record im not against abortion, im just against people pretending it isn't horrible.

So you agree that fetus is not a person because it hasn't started yet?

Yeah, beacuse abortion take away all chances to become a person in the first place.

It kills more whites than both though.

It is. Do you think human skill cells are the same as dog skin cells? Do you also think the earth is flat?

But it isn't human yet. You can't kill something that doesn't exist. Do you not understand causality?

What does it matter if something has the chance to become human? Seems like a very contrived standard. Why should anyone care what a bundle of molecules can or cannot become?

Because they will always become human, 100% of the time, faggot.

No, but they are human skin cells. When conception happens, a new individual unique human being is created. All of the genetic information is there localized as one entity, and if left to develop, will become a self actualized adult person.

>But it isn't human yet
yeah, but it is WILL BECOME human in the FUTURE, you know. A little later
>You can't kill something that doesn't exist
Cell that will becme human little later is definately exist and you kill it and basically kill human that cell was supposed to grow in to

its not contrived at all, if we did not intervene, the fetus would 100% grow to be a living human. When I fuck up society expects me to own up to it and admit I was wrong, so why do people who make shitty life decisions regarding sex get a free pass? fuck that. get the abortion if you want, and do the walk of shame.

>imagine denying biology this hard

liberals are so antiscience it's sad

It is a human you retard.

>264 replies
>59 posters
You faggots need to have sex.
And then abort the baby.

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this but keep the baby
abortion is murder

I support abortion but women who get one need to realize they commited murder

>roughly 5 whole posts per person
what did he mean by this?

So you are assigning the same moral weight to flakes of dead skin that you would a person?
That is an insane belief, do you understand?

Incorrect. Sometimes they will simply die, and never become more than they are. The reason why the thing dies is irrelevant.

>it will become a human
Ok, so it isn't a human. I don't care if a non-human, single-celled organism dies.

>100%
Incorrect, see above.
>When I fuck up society expects me to own up to it
I do not see how getting an abortion is somehow denying responsibility for any decision that has been made. What you want is not for people to take responsibility, but for them to be punished for doing something you don't like. Society does not mandate that people be punished for doing something you don't like, and does not hold you to that standard.

A single-celled organism is not a homo sapien.

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>I don't care if a non-human, single-celled organism dies.
You are basically denying reality at this point

Do you also believe that cutting ones dick makes one a woman?

Well so do condoms.

>>wtf why do my actions have consequences?!
>>ALSO NOOOOO DONT CANCEL MUH FAVORITE STAND UP HAS BEEN HACK
So which is it, bitch?

Condoms prevent from sperm getting in to uterus, dude

When is a human 100% human? At what point of time?

When did this site get infested with Christposters?

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>but for them to be punished for doing something you don't like
they don't need to be punished, when did I say that? they just need to admit they were irresponsible losers. they performed an act which has a result and when they got that result what did they do? they cried about it and said woah is me.

I'm an atheist. I'm against abortion because murder isn't legal.

Reminder that if someone makes a big fuss about outlawing abortions but does nothing to help new mothers raise their new offspring or end violence, they are a hypocrite of the highest order. According to conservatives, life begins at conception and ends at birth.

condoms and birth control don't have a 100% chance of success.

And?

I'm for abortion because if one of those otherwise-aborted babies grows up to post on Yea Forums, it's totally worth it.

only christcucks want to have abortion outlawed, the rest of us just don't want whores and losers getting a free pass. SHAME

>A single-celled organism is not a homo sapien

It's homo sapien DNA. Unless you think all single celled organisms are the same where a single celled organism spawned from 2 chickens makes a human.

>free pass
Explain this.

>Because they will always become human, 100% of the time, faggot.
>they will always become human
>100% of the time
Fucking faggot, just because they die doesn't change the fact they will become human.
Cock sucking jew trying to twist my words.

Most people don't know what is on the left, let alone if it's alive. If they hear that life was found on mars they would think an alien dog was found.

Christians are by far the largest group of people who adopt kids.

I was simply correcting those statements, carry on.

Maybe if we photographed pregnant mothers in the aftermath of the bombs we drop all over the world, conservatives will stop supporting endless wars.

free pass mentality user. when you try and argue that a fetus isn't a human, what you're really saying is "I didn't do anything wrong and my actions are perfectly normal"

Says the person telling me that a fertilized egg has more in common with a fully-developed human being than any other single celled organism. I'd like you to look at a human egg and the egg of any other animal and point out on a picture which exact physical properties make one as important as you and the other morally meaningless.

I am 100% human. I do not know the time at which I became human, but I can tell the difference between a human and a non-human. I know that a dog isn't a human. I know that a bird isn't a human. And I know that a single-celled organism is not a human.

Strands of Homo Sapien DNA are not a Homo Sapien.

But they do not become human if they die before they are human. Do you not understand causality?

>only atheists and jews want to have abortion as law, the rest of us just don't want whores and losers getting a free pass. SHAME
Fix'd that for ya.

>Says the person telling me that a fertilized egg has more in common with a fully-developed human being than any other single celled organism
I didn't say that. I said that cell of human will grow in to human. I don't even know what's your point now. you just denying the state of things

Abortion is a decent option. It's not righteous but it's going to happen, so it might as well be legal and safe.

Jews are humans too but you don't see many people here reminding us of that.

>And I know that a single-celled organism is not a human
You was that single-celled organism at some point

>But they do not become human if they die before they are human
Yeah, and if we are remove your legs you will never become a professional runner. Should we have the right to do this then?

>roastie sluts getting knocked up and killing babies
vs
>loud little swine who touch everything and smell awful
Gotta tell ya, I don't like either side of this.

>I am 100% human
No, you are not by your logic, you don't look like other humans, you don't have the same number of cells as other humans. You are probably underage so your brain isn't complete as in an adult human.

The natural world creates more miscarriages than we could ever abort. The fact is those clumps of cells are human, but the inherent value of human life is a manmade idea. If I was never born neither I nor nature would care.

>loud little swine who touch everything and smell awful
That was you at some point
>>roastie sluts getting knocked up and killing babies
It wasn't (i hope)

>That was you at some point
OH NO, MY ARGUMENT. So what?

>Strands of Homo Sapien DNA are not a Homo Sapien.

Yes, they are. Homo sapien is defined by what the genetic code in a single DNA strand says. That strand exist the same as a single celled organism to an adult. Nothing changes except it becomes more developed. Upon conception you have a unique human being, and all the mass of that unique human being is localized in one area. It exists as a very early stage human being, and will continue through different stages of development, but it will never become anything other than what it has been from the moment of conception: a human being.

Really, pro abortionists simply lose on the biological argument. You're much better off arguing that abortion prevents future crimes.

>be embryo
>be lump of unthinking cells
>some incel expects me to feel anything

>Gotta tell ya, I don't like either side of this.
yea it would be nice if people just thought before they acted

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Indeed.

guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-rates-race-and-ethnicity

If you want less black people, support abortion.

yea pretty much. I'm against safe injection sites too but the alternative is to have junkies overdosing in the streets so, what can you do.

Millennials abort because they are all a generation of autistic manchildren who are incapable of handling responsabilities.
Not to mention their job at burger king and their failed Youtube channel, fruit of their Gender Studies degree are barely enough to sustain their Nintendo Switch and Marvel movie tickets, let alone a baby.

Millennials are a parody of humanity and I'm hyped to see the suicide rate increase when they get to their 40s.

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>The natural world creates more miscarriages than we could ever abort
And? It's not justifying making not natural miscarriages
>but the inherent value of human life is a manmade idea
Yeah, but i doubt that if someone will try to kill you, you just passively accept it
>If I was never born neither I nor nature would care.
World is not revolving around you

>Millennials abort because they are all a generation of autistic manchildren who are incapable of handling responsabilities.
That's good, though. I don't want them passing on their ideals to anyone.

>telling me that a fertilized egg has more in common with a fully-developed human being than any other single celled organism
A fertilized human egg does have more in common with a fully developed human at the moment of fertilization than it has with a single cell organism.

based user showing /pol/cancer that babies are simply parasites that aren't self-aware

>Implying boomers never gotten any

I meant that for landlords

It's not human, therefore I care about it as much as any other single-celled organism, not at all. I do not care if it might become human later. We don't have funerals for every wasted sperm and ovum, they do not matter.

My body is derived from a single-celled organism. I, the human being, was never a single-celled organism.

Whether or not I can become a professional runner has nothing to do with whether or not my legs should be amputated. In the same way, whether or not a cell can become a human has nothing to do with how we should treat the cell. Thank you for proving my point.

You do not seem to understand my logic.

If you believe a strand of molecules is the same as your own being, then I have nothing else to say to you. You are either lying or are insane, and continuing the discussion would just enable you.

Please list the components of a fertilized human egg, the components of a random fertilized animal's egg, and the components of a human being. We will compare and contrast.

Babies aren't self aware till 15 months after birth. You justify infanticide with your retarded logic.

Babies are not parasites

boomers invented birth control pills and abortion user. the previous method was punching the mother in the stomach until she miscarried.

>B...but this is a /pol/ website!

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And the world doesn't revolve around unborn children, but apparently you do. Nevermind the millions of living beings that die of preventable causes every day, you decided to be brave and seethe at pregnant women instead of helping anyone born.

I'm not a boomer.
Millennials are more fun to mock because they are currently coping and telling themselves that they chose their current lifestyle and that this is totally what they want.
You are the complete opposite of how a human should live, which is why i'm worried that if you ever get to positions of power you'll ruin the world.
After all, you've spent 10 years doing nothing but ruining the west for no reason at all.
Maybe we'll have to remove you by force.

>If you believe a strand of molecules is the same as your own being, then I have nothing else to say to you. You are either lying or are insane, and continuing the discussion would just enable you.

It's not what I believe. It's what's biologically true. You're being the subjective moralfag here. You have the exact same individual human DNA now as You did when you were a single celled organism in your mom. The only difference is that you're more developed because your DNA has had the time to express itself. But you've always been that human. That's factually true.

Like, it seems that the vast majority of pro abortion arguments are based on them knowing nothing about human biology it seems.

>old bastards are going to try to kill all the youth in an effort to protect the younger youth
I love hellworld.

HAVE IT.

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so your either a gen-xer (the ones currently in charge and actually ruining the world) or you're a tide pod eating zoomer? good talk I suppose.

>i don't care, i don't care, i don't care
For a men who don't care about treatment of cells, you spending to much time defending special type of treatmentfor cells
>My body is derived from a single-celled organism. I, the human being, was never a single-celled organism.
You just contradict yourself
>I can become a professional runner has nothing to do with whether or not my legs should be amputated
It's about other people deciding should your legs be amputated, dumbass

I'm 21.

I lost my virginity when I was 13.
It's funny to think there's right now a ton of millennials who have yet to lose it though.
Then again, seeing millennial political activism you can tell everyone is a fucking faggot.
What kind of person thinks he's going to save the world by making sure some shitty superhero movie succeeds or flops?

>IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD A BABY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD IT

Literally this. Why is it so hard to use a condom????

Why must I see the ugly white roastie trying to convey feeling , when all I'm interesting in seeing is a future piece of shit person murdered with a dust buster that can fit up a pussy?

Anyone who generalizes an entire generation is a dimwit. People being influenced by their elders and their world has happened since mammals raised their young. If it was 200 years ago if you switched a couple terms around your complaints would be exactly the same.

Gee, I wonder who typed this.

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Contraception isn't always effective. For everything else, there's abortioncard.

>And the world doesn't revolve around unborn children, but apparently you do
You aswell
>you decided to be brave and seethe at pregnant women instead of helping anyone born.
Are you trying to shame in to helping to you or what? Again, world is not revolving around you. If you don't like this life you can leave it any time. The thing is you get a chance to expirience it in the first place

I have yet to see a generation that had it's goal set on destroying it's civilization, and millennials, no matter their ideology, are aiming at that.
They agreed to flood our countries with immigrants, they are right now, even racial purists, pushing for racemixing, and they don't even have jobs.
They are traitors.

You're wasting your breath on these fucking morons.

The existence of chemicals that perpetuate themselves across an organism's lifetime is not morally relevant. Why should I care that an embryo has DNA?

>For a men who don't care about treatment of cells, you spending to much time defending special type of treatmentfor cells
I am spending time looking at the difference in how different cells should be treated, because that is the discussion we are having.
>You just contradict yourself
Incorrect.
>It's about other people deciding should your legs be amputated
I do not see how that is relevant to my earlier argument. You will have to explain further.

>self-hatred
Yikes. At least those faggots aren't as pathetic as you.

Do all Amerimutts feel like pointing out the race of people for no reason at all because they are all racemixed abominations and try to shame those who aren't?

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Gee I wonder who needs to go back.

>self hatred
What?
I'm 21, i'm not a millennial.
I don't hate myself, I hate you, you are the enemy.

Am I supposed to care more because a walking garlic parmesean chicken sub with blonde hair is sucking some ugly kid out of her stinky cunt with a straw?

>causality
>impeding the natural process of birth is the same as a miscarriage
In principle: relating to the definition of, not relating to particular circumstances.
Procreation between a male human and female human, in principle, will always create a human.
Abortion is, in fact, preventing the effects of procreation, birth, caused by the very same act. To act as if concepts are laughable means you want to be irrational.
Abortion, from a social point of view, was created to circumvent the obligations and responsibilities of procreation.
If a baby dies before it is birthed, does not change the definition of procreation, in principle, because between a man and a woman, in principle, procreation will create a human.
When you start to play games in this way, you are actually acting as if procreation has no basis independent of your own arbitrary whim.

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Procreation has no basis independent of my own arbitrary whim.

No, you are supposed to just kill yourself, mutt.

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>everything bad is because of people younger than politicians and industry leaders

>But they do not become human if they die (we decide to kill them) before they are human
>I do not see how that is relevant to my earlier argument
>Incorrect
>yeah i was a single celled organism but i wasn't single celled organism though because i identify myself as human now
So if you gonna identify yourself as helicopter later you gonna deny that you was human?

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Considering millennials are the ones begging for those politics and for everything to be turned into propaganda, yes.
I can't imagine what will happen when we get a millennial president, maybe initiate a nuclear exchange because someone from another country said nigger on the internet?

Abortion increases the chance of a miscarriage from 40% to 100%. Which is useful for a variety of reasons.

>zoomer
don't you have a streamer to donate to so he says your name, bacause your self-hating Gen-X parents have already given up on you?

It'll be difficult my DNA is new world and made to last. Not some decaying eurotrash abomination that is ugly as it s fragile.

>begging
The younger generation doesn't come up with ideas on their own, they're taught by the previous one. This includes all counterculture ideas too.

No, i'm currently getting rid of the fat I have left to try to get into my local police's special corps unit, and my parents have supported me all the way through, thanks for asking.
Maybe with some luck i'll get to stomp on some stupid millennial protestors.

>Why should I care that an embryo has DNA

Lol because your entire argument is predicated on it not being a human. The embryo has unique individual DNA. Just like you did when you were an embryo. Everything that you genetically are, is the same as it was when you were an embryo. What part of that don't you get? You're a further developed expression of your genetic DNA combined with personal experiences. That's it. The only thing lacking between the embryo and you right now are the experiences. The genetics are exactly the same. How the fuck is this basic fact so hard to understand? You were a human at conception, a more developed human in the 2nd trimester, a more developed human at birth, a more developed human as a child, and you are a more developed human now. Different stages of your gene expressions is VERY different that claiming you weren't a human but suddenly were at some arbitrary point.

Well, identity politics certainly weren't a thing in the 2000s.
It's millennials who never moved on from their emo phase and applied their stupid console war experience to politics, that's why political discussion has been reduced to just calling each other a nazi or a commie.

yea and what age are the kike politicians who are catering to them for (you's)?

>that's why political discussion has been reduced to just calling each other a nazi or a commie.
or millenial

It's interesting to see how the children of yesterday become the jackbooted thugs of tomorrow. Join the military if you're such a tough guy, unless an enemy that fights back intimidates you.

Why the military?
You no longer need to go to Afghanistan to fight enemies, you brought them home, and you yourselves became those enemies too.

>unless an enemy that fights back intimidates you.
I don't doubt you won't fight back, you are all a bunch of scrawny, blue haired idiots for whom the concept of fighting is just flailing your arms mindlessly in front of you and hoping a part of them connects with someone else's body.
But I don't care, you ruined our homes, you deserve it.

>abortion
>the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy
>deliberate; done consciously and intentionally.

>miscarriage
>spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus before it is viable
>spontaneous; developing or occurring without apparent external influence, force, cause, or treatment
Human beings reason by means of concepts and definitions. We also make laws by means of definition. And if you don't know how to operate with respect to those definitions, you can't make the law.

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>Imagine waking up in the morning everyday and having to be this person
Ironic shitpost or not you sound like a mentally challenged potato who can't spell his name without pissing him and that's an insult to actual potatoes. There comes to point to a person life where you cant take this people's retarded opinion thinking they have the objective mortal standard when they shitpost on Yea Forums to a bunch of random jerk offs and I believe I'm starting to hit that limit this early in life due the amount of retarded posts I seen on daily basis. What you need to do in order to not look like a complete ass especially on this site is this. Get off Yea Forums, turn off your computer or phone and try to interact with another living thing so maybe you can actually get the grasp of how to socialize with living breathing things because apparently you lack such quality in otherwise normal human being.

In other words, please get off this site and go outside you fat retarded goblin

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>has an inferiority complex
>wants to become a cop
it checks out

Inferiority complex?
No, I'm just mad at you for ruining the world for no reason at all other that you are autistic.
Millennials are just proof that you should never let weirdos think they have a place in society.
You should bully them and ensure they stay in their basements until they die.

Surely finding a target for your hate has satisfied your need to make sense of the world. Good luck.

>you should never let weirdos think they have a place in society.

You're on Yea Forums.

Don't blame me, it's you who made your target western civilization.
At least mine is justified.
You just burn things simply they exist, because they are "social constructs".

thats a textbook inferiority complex my dude.

How?
It would be if you were above me in the social scale, or rich or something, but you are all a bunch of blue haired freaks.
Hell, some of you don't even have a job.

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You're making all sorts of assumptions because I don't agree with you. I could also be trolling. I hope you are and aren't some overweight kid with a chip on his shoulder. Because you'll eat it.

>local police's special corps unit

>Imagination: Saving western civilization from Jews, millenials and other races in special corps unit
>Reality: Helping Jose in searching for his wallet as low paid patrul cop

and this makes you feel the need to control us does it? do you feel in control?

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I don't care who i'm helping as long as it helps keep the mouth of those stupid activists shut.

Someone should, you have proven you are too stupid to be given freedom.
Freedom shouldn't be something given to everyone just for existing.

No, you've been arguing for a good 50 posts, so it's not just simple trolling.
If anything, you are pretending to pretend about not caring, but either way, he is right about you being a faggot, even if he is misguided.

Freedom is a God-given unalienable right, you boot licking shit-eater.
Though you are correct, women shouldn't be allowed to vote, have jobs, or have abortions