Mentally ill?

Look how the picture of Hitler is the last thing he sees before stabbing the guy. In his mind he was fighting the evil guys and defending America. Like in WW2.

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What was he? Like an engineer? Or just a mechanic?

Nah dude, he's just a normal man.

I think that this movie is about the contrast between the characters of D-Fens and Prendergast. Both are "losers" that have had many problems in their lives. Prendergast has a crazy wife, his daughter died with 2 years old and everybody in the police thinks that he is a coward and don't respect him, only his female partner respects him. D-Fens lost his wife and daughter because he got divorced (it was his fault because he is crazy), lost his job because they didn't care about him and he was just obsolete and I don't know if his father also died in Korea or of old age.

But the difference is how they confronted their problems. Prendergast carried on and didn't blame society for his problems and tried to be a nice guy and live the best he could with what he got. D-Fens always blamed others like when he blamed his mother for his divorce, when he blamed his wife for not letting him see his daughter or when he blamed society for lying to him. And he thought what he was doing was justified for that.

I think that you can see what I'm trying to say in this exchange between them:

>D-Fens: I'm the bad guy?
>Pendergast: Yeah.
>D-Fens: How did that happen? I did everything they told me to. Did you know I build missiles? I helped to protect America. You should be rewarded for that. Instead, they give it to the plastic surgeon. They lied to me.
>Pendergast: Is that what this is about? You're angry because you got lied to? Is that why my dinner's drying out in the oven? They lie to everybody. They lie to the fish! That doesn't give you any right to do what you did today. The only thing that makes you special is that little girl. Now, let's go. Let's go!

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i always assumed some kind of engineer but idk, was just quoting his babbling when he was briefly holding that caretaker family hostage...

Judging by these items in his room I think he was an engineer.

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I remember when this movie premiered. I just couldn't believe that a mainstream movie "went there." I had seen some indie films go balls out but a mainstream film like this... Wow. That was unbelievable for back then.

that's the kind of evidence-backed post i like to see, you're a credit to this board, user

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Not economically viable

When you know he's not it narrows down what he is, dingbat.

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Bing, this is right.

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>everybody is fine with getting fucked in the ass and so should you!

>WHOA HES LITERALLY ME!

he's just your standard stem guy. Every half-asian girl has this guy as a dad. He gets worked up to the level he did because he drank too little water

He was a psychopath even before he was fired. And we don't know why he was fired, maybe he deserved it.

of course he deserved it they showed that he's had a fucked attitude for a long time, the way his family was scared of him - imagine trying to work with the guy

it doesnt matter because even the cop says its all rigged and that he should just man up and accept it

Listen to this guy That was the cope mechanism that the cop had. Maybe he was not totally right about it, maybe you shouldn't just shut up and don't protest, exactly how his character was, but you don't have to blame always other for your problems like D-Fens did. Maybe the director wanted to show us that the middle between those 2 characters is the right way. Not being a total cuck like Pendergast (the cop) but not be a crazy lunatic always blaming others and taking revenge on them because of your problems. We can see how Pendergast changes his attitude by the end of the movie and he starts to say what he thinks. Like when he says to his wife to shut up and when he says to his boss fuck you or something similar. Well, now that I think about it... was Pendergast becoming like D-Fens by the end of the movie after so many years of being a quiet boy and swallowing everything? Maybe he was just becoming a little more rebellious. Maybe D-Fens inspired him to not be the quiet boy anymore? I don't know this is just speculations from my part.

The thesis is he was an educated norman that got screwed over and is now trying to figure out how to survive in the system.

*ting* *ting* *ting*
Ahem...
Fuck Nazis and Fuck Commies

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>Maybe the director wanted to show us that the middle between those 2 characters is the right way.
What's the middleground between refusing to eat shit and learning to like the taste? Eating a little shit? Tolerating the taste? Finding premium shit that doesn't taste as bad? You either eat it or you don't.

Maybe protesting at the right people and n the right way and not being a psychopath like D-Fens.

But...but we live in a society. If the nazis/commies were in charge there would be no more mean people and I would totally have a gf.
Checkmate, atheists.

only eat as much shit as you're willing to take?

>WHY ARENT YOU EATING SHIT YOU ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE. WHY CANT YOU JUST EAT SHIT LIKE THE REST OF US

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Nazis=Kill you for being the wrong race
Commies=Kill you for being in the wrong income bracket. Or you starve to death.

Can you go and watch the movie again? It's showed how he was a psychopath BEFORE he lost his job. And I think he lost his job because of his fault too.

>America fought the Nazis. Nazis were the enemy of America.
Yeah but the American men who fought the Nazis had opinions that today would get them called... nazis.

Yeah, but that is another issue and not what we explained that is what is related to the movie.

Why didn't DFens just become a software developer? He would have regained his self-esteem and made a lot more money when the Internet/tech sector started picking up in 1995.

>a self-destructive and mentally unstable man has the ability to predict the future

That's basically what happened in the movie.

Why didnt they give him a name?

The american gov and public opinion loved the nazis until (((they))) revealed the final psyop

You can be married and employed and still mistreated

Even in 1993 it was becoming obvious that the Internet was going to be huge for anyone paying attention. IT work was also picking up due to Windows 3.1 becoming a usable OS and many businesses starting to install local area networks. With the advantages he had from his engineering background DFENS had the chance to reinvent himself. He was basically the luckiest man in the world getting laid off from his defense job when he did but he wasted the opportunity.

I don't know, in iMDB he is called just D-Fens, in the movie credits he is also called like that but in Wikipedia it says his name is William Foster.

But D-Fens had legitimate social grievances. The culture changed around him. It blocked him out. He didnt ask for that. Certainly a murder spree isnt okay, but so also isnt a rapid shift in society which leaves you obsolete, especially when you've only ever been a contributing patriot.
I think it's more complex than him being the bad guy
>when did that happen?
That line says it all

It almost sounds like someone had very different ideas on how the script should go and a hasty compromise was done.

D-Fen represents the old america. It initially portrays him as likable and just, but only reveals how others perceive him later in the plot. Maybe a metaphor for the decline of america? Or maybe a shifting approach to how we view history now as opposed to then

abloo bloo

His name is Will Foster. I had a friend with that name in high school and it always made me chuckle that he'd never seen Falling Down. Don't think he went on to become a DoD contractor, though.

Not economically viable.

>being a total cuck like Pendergast (the cop)
Interesting point. Should be added that the cop acted out of the ordinary that day. He was on his own righteous crusade, just as D FenS

>literal nazi
Fuck off back to r eddit

>learn to code

Who was in the wrong?

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So why is he known as D-Fens? Is some kind of artsy device to make a point?

The customer is always right

He worked in a D-Fens plant building missiles to protect America.

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D-Fens is just what the vanity license plate on his car says. IIRC he's only referred to by his real name once or twice in the whole movie, I don't even remember if it's verbally or just an ID card or something on screen but I know it's rare as shit. I guess it could be interpreted as artsy, if you want- give a face but not a name and prevent the viewer from fully humanizing the lead character as they first start to feel for him, then realize he's the bad guy after all.

>Certainly a murder spree isnt okay
Did he actually kill anyone other than the neonazi and the gangbangers who had already done a drive-by on an entire street?

I think this is the scene with the fully automatic tech 9

Fuckin Hollywood liberals

imfdb.org/wiki/Falling_Down

Not always, but in this case, didn't D-Fens only miss the breakfast menu by like three minutes? The joint probably still had breakfast sandwiches and shit on the grill and any manager worth their salt would have just told him sure, we can still make breakfast but only 'cause you asked.

>Did he actually kill anyone other than the neonazi and the gangbangers
Okay, well a terror spree isnt okay
I am unable to ever side with fast food. Fast food is always wrong

Seems to be insinuated that the golfer was fucked, even though he didn't directly kill him.

This isn’t always the way it unfolds in the real world.

What’s the big deal about three minutes? Nothing. But then someone comes along that says the same about five minutes... then 15 and then an hour. Working a service job totally blows and it’s amazing how many people treat you like shit and then expect impeccable customer service. At that point most people will just do their job. If there job is that breakfast stops at ten and not a minute after then order lunch or get fucked.

Talk to someone like you know they’re human and you may just get not only breakfast but free food. Although I think I remember this scene as the kid behind the counter being a dick first.

The company policy, for being too inflexible.

Yes, there's leftover breakfast food three minutes after the cutoff. But it's been sitting out for an hour or two and doesn't meet quality standards for freshness anymore. That's why they don't want to serve it.

>"Neo Nazi" believes the official narrative
Broke my immersion.

>Working a service job totally blows and it’s amazing how many people treat you like shit and then expect impeccable customer service.
THIS

It's amazing how many doors not being a cunt will open for you.

Oh yeah. I forgot about that one. That's pretty much the point where he goes too far.

But why was his person identified with that name? Was it a play on the fact that the cold war was over, making him obsolete and marking a new era? Or was it to associate him with "the machine" the military industrial complex

Why didn't D-Fens just take the bus to get where he was going? Based on the locations shown in the movie it would have been about a one-hour bus ride not counting waiting time.

It's his license plate.

So the cop only knew him by his plate, used that for internal consistency of the story, and I'm a faggot over thinking the symbolism?

That's where the plot totally turns though right. When he stops being the good guy
>when did that happen?

I don't know where is the symbolism on that. Maybe he used it as a joke or to brag about that he worked in Defense because he was proud of it. I don't know.

>What’s the big deal about three minutes? Nothing. But then someone comes along that says the same about five minutes... then 15 and then an hour.
It was only 11:33 by the time the manager comes to the front counter. It's entirely possible that it was still within breakfast hours when he first tried ordering. Also, after he ND's into the ceiling and asks again for breakfast, the female clerk can be seen grabbing a breakfast box from behind the counter on the warm/ready area thing with a number of other ready breakfasts before he decides he'd rather have lunch after all.

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What I learned is that when a character isnt known by his actual name and rather has some nick name ascribed to him, it is symbolic in some way. Like, Piggy in Lord of the Flies. He was marked for death by the fact his real namr was never revealed. Why is he better known as D Fens than his actual name? I doubt its coincidence

How juice want ppl to freak out

>in hunting you, I have become you

He's basically a childish man with an explosive temper throwing a largely justifiable tantrum towards a corrupt society that took everything from him despite playing by its rules his entire life.

He's a perfectionist who is unable to cope when his life doesn't live up to his standards as is evidenced by the old videotape where he snaps when his daughter cries and doesn't want to ride the toy horse he bought her. Thus when everything he ever believed in falls apart he falls apart with it and becomes suicidally depressed using every provocation as an excuse to lash out at a society that shows him no loyalty, respect or compassion.

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Did you read the remainder on my post?

>his real namr was never revealed

Bill Foster. I don't recall him being addressed by *any* name, certainly not "D-FENS".

No. Honor your goddamn menu hours or don't advertise them at all.

he drug out 30 year old political propaganda because he had no creative talent

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>jew makes a movie
>jew makes magazine
>omg fragile whitebois are pissed

>drug
It's dragged. Using drug as the past tense of drag is something that annoys me

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Here's one for you.

Was his wife justified in putting the restraining order on him and not letting him see his daughter?

On the one hand he clearly has a dangerous temper and he might have killed her and their daughter.

But on the other hand he never hit either of them and if anything could have pulled him back from the brink it would have been the love of his child, the greatest loss that was taken from him.

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Yeah, he acts like a psychopath and have me terrified but he a good boy inside let's just not hope that one day he gets angry with some stupid thing and kill us or at least the wife.

>he clearly has a dangerous temper
If you watch older movies before say, the late 70's it's actually pretty normal for the good guy characters to be flawed characters with a foul temper.

>Yeah, he acts like a psychopath

The worst thing we see him do prior to the restraining order is yell at her and their daughter. I'm not saying she wasn't justified in divorcing him but did she have grounds to keep him from seeing his child when he never committed any physical abuse?

You have to admit she's kind of a cunt. He calls her up and begs her to let him see his daughter and give her a present and she uses it as an opportunity to mock him for losing his job and threatening to sick the police on him.

What old familiar videos? I don't remember that, did they release a Director's Cut and that was some deleted scene they put back in?

based, i'm both the right race and right income bracket

He's not based he's an idiot. the nazis were actually the diverse side in ww2 and hitler was not a racist.

>But then someone comes along that says the same about five minutes... then 15 and then an hour.
no they don't.

>Commies=Kill you for being in the wrong income bracket

commies=kill you for being white and Christian

Nothing wrong with killing Christians.

He destroyed a construction site with the missile launcher he got from the supply store and presumably people were caught in the blast

t.judeo-commie

FUCK yts
FUCK shitstrains

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Nope, Christcucks are just another Jewish heresy which ruined the right and you're in a for rude shock when you realise how few people sympathise with you.

When he went to the house and was watching the old VCR tapes

>you're in a for rude shock when you realise how few people sympathise with you.
you still haven't learned from 2016 huh?

>jews did that
its not your book or your religion kikeberg

66AD will commence again

tick tock

try letting one(1) person into a store after closing time to be nice. 4/5 times, someone else will show up at the same time and get butthurt that they too are not getting special treatment

Who here loved Pendergast? He is the real hero. He is not constantly blaming others for his problems. He also had a fucked up life with his daughter dying at 2 years old but he carried on to save another little girl from his psychopath father.

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The disgruntled white man trilogy

>Taxi Driver
>Falling Down
>Joker

streamable.com/m8auh

Kino poster.

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And another one. Here you can see how he was already a psychopath back then.
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That's a problem with actions, but not motivations. The message isn't presented as flawed actions with good motivations, it's that the motivations were wrong. The specifics of an individual example are totally irrelevant if you're trying to generalize it to fit a multitude of situations.

Why? I voted for Trump.

I watched Taxi Driver recently and loved it but Pacino's character is so fucking stupid when he takes the girl he likes to a porno movie and gets shocked that she didn't like it. No fucking shit, it was what, their first or second date?