Why is John Wick so groundbreaking to normals...

Take your meds

Have sex

the only really good scene in this movie is the club scene.
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the rest of the movie is pretty fucking reddit if you ask me

Eh, I guess so. I though there's just not as much I actually remember that fondly regarding action scenes when it comes to John Wick, I guess the club scene in the first movie and the battle against the armored dudes in the third movie.

That Russian booped his snoot really, really hard. Does John Wick 2 start with someone killing the shitbull he adopted at the end of the first one?

It's highly praised in choreography circles as well. It's one of the first of what you could term the American style of choreography that has emerged as Hong Kong has stagnated. It's not just the level of choreography but the style of it. It's different than what you would see out of Donnie Yen, even though he also likes grappling and uses it whenever be gets the chance in films.

It's fucking impossible to talk about John Wick here since it got popular.

>that suppressor scene
This series is reddit incarnate. And they have the nerve to call it "gun porn".

Only 1 was like Asian flicks. 2 was stupid and 3 was up its own ass desperately trying to start an expanded cinematic universe.

People who unironically say "doggo", "pupper", etc should be sent to concentration camps.

Normies and Yea Forums-tards love CGI blood.

Take your meds

Not even as good as Grosse Pointe Blank

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Take your meds.

Where's the option for non cgi blood and practical effects? I seemed to have missed that option in the menus of every movie made in the last 10 years.

Direct to video

I'm not sure if the West will ever be able to make true action kino, but John Wick is popular because it's the closest the West has come in a long time.

Lets compare Dredd and The Raid: Redemption for example. Two movies with basically identical stories, identical settings, and identical styles of action (aka both use a mix of martial arts and guns) and identical levels of blood and realism

we all know Raid 1 is INSANELY well choreographed, with fast, realistic, but still very clear action schemes where you can tell exactly what is happening and FEEL every punch and blow, to the point where they sync the emotion of the scene with the flow of the fights

Dredd, which I still like don't get me wrong, is practically lazy in comparison. The action is shakey, often off screen, you'll see gunfire blinding the screen and then the aftermath, without actually seeing much of what went on inbetween. The fight scenes are too zoomed in, not well lit enough, and only exist to move the story forward, without actually containing the story themselves.

It's DTV tier trash

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comparing apples and oranges

>People who unironically say "doggo", "pupper", etc should be sent to concentration camps.
don't waste own non-renewable fossil fuels. save gas, shoot them on the spot.

Normalfags don't like watching other languages.

If slants, gooks, and chinks are so great why were movies and electricity invented by whites

Frankly, overchoreographed action is a step in the wrong direction. It feels unnatural and makes the heroes practically invincible.Then you know the hero will only suffer a setback if the plot calls for it.

maybe r*ck and m*orty is more to your liking

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Because, with few exceptions, the action genre has been garbage since the late 1990's. Western action directors have no talent at all, they just set up 3 cameras and cut between them randomly.

John Wick isn't very good, but it's still a step in the right direction.

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Who is the guy to watch out of Hong Kong these days?

>groundbreaking
No? People just thought it was well filmed and choreographed and an entertaining action thriller.

Look at how many shitty ones the U.S. gets each year, and you will quickly figure out why people felt John Wick elevated that boring, generic, bland genre. It's not Citizen Kane, but it also isn't trying to be, and no one is pretending it is

>muh ancient bushido gunplay

asian action movies might as well be set in a fantasy land with them flying all over the place

Nothing has surpassed John Woo kino yet

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>Then you know the hero will only suffer a setback if the plot calls for it.
That was going to happen whether it was overchoreographed or not. What is the point of watching a film if the hero doesn't triumph in the end

I don't know his name, but lately he's been directing a series of 5 hour epics about protesters clashing with police.

>Frankly, overchoreographed action is a step in the wrong direction. It feels unnatural and makes the heroes practically invincible.Then you know the hero will only suffer a setback if the plot calls for it.

clearly you never watched the Raid movies. The main character barely survives and takes far far more injury than Dredd or most western heroes do. That's the other great thing present in almost all Asian action movies. The hero pays a very high price physically for victory, Jackie Chan did this, Lee did it, the Raid guys do it, Tony Jaa does it, etc etc

Meanwhile the West has a tradition of action heroes getting injured rarely if ever. I mean how many times does Arnold ever get injured seriously in any of his movies? How many times does Stallone? Stathem? Vin Desial? The Rock? Die Hard's an exception but only the first one.

No one gives a crap about Asian films

Some of the best films end with a hero's death though. It's better that way most of the time.

I do

Most young people don't know who John Woo is and refuse to watch anything from before the 2000s.
So JW is like the only action movie they know which has good choreography and action scenes.
I still like the first movie a lot tho, 2 is meh and 3 was insanely disappointing.

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Because the main character isn't a soulless insect and has a modicum of talent when it comes to acting.

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Yo Mef, where my Killer tape at?

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Hong Kong action movies are kino of the highest order faggot. Seriously fuck you. How can you live with yourself having such shitty views and tastes.

Compare it to movies like Die Hard where even a single henchman is a threat. If the hero doesn't struggle, what's the point?
True, I didn't see the Raid, I was talking about John Wick. I could also argue that the MC not getting injured is actually a sign of realism since a serious injury would pretty much cripple the hero.

are you literally talking about Keanu Reeves?

youtu.be/3bozxgVQ9m0

3's choreography is absolutely shit. You can tell when the actors are just waiting there to get hit.

Based

>MC not getting injured is actually a sign of realism since a serious injury would pretty much cripple the hero.

at that point you're just getting into semantics. You could also say that it's unrealistic for MC who is constantly in danger to never take injury. Besides they're are different levels of injury and if you're a smart filmmaker you can work that into the story.

There's a great part in the penultimate fight in Raid 1 when the MC and his brother are tag teaming the villian's best henchman, Mad Dog. But because of an injury his brother got earlier in the film, when he makes a certain move against Mad Dog, he suddenly recoils and Mad Dog momentarily gains the upper hand, if I remember correctly. Not that it had much impact in how the fight ended but this allows for intelligent callbacks and establishes a sense of continuity.

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Having to see the manlet chads from The Raid visibly slow their choreography down so old man Reeves could keep up was just sad

we get it asian masculinity poster. you like it because you can identify with the little fast guys

They are

People are just going to bitch about John Wick actually being bland shit because everyone else on the internet likes the films now, but at the time and even now as the third film is out, John Wick in terms of what it did for American action films and choreography was and still is incredible. The trickle down from that to even television fight scenes has been noticeable.
This could be made into an actual study but you will notice that in the last ten to fifteen years as it has become easier to watch films from other countries and technology has advanced, we are getting national styles in terms of what they want to do for choreography.The people who bring up Hong Kong cinema as influences are correct, but the people trying to compare the two are being fucking retarded.
You can like Hard Boiled more and hate the choreography in John Wick, but the two are fundamentally coming from different places in terms of what they want to do.
John Wick is getting up its own ass in terms of the visual style and tone, but the choreography has been on a pretty straight line since the beginning and improving since the first.

It's rare to see a decent budget movie with long take action scenes, brutality and well made choreography especially from the US.
It's what Isaac Florentine puts out every year on vod, but with better budget.

True. I'm just saying most are structured to where you KNOW the hero/protag will come out on top. I didn't mean to say tit always happens or it's the only way to write a movie
That's fair. Though, I would argue Wick does struggle. Maybe not as much as McClaine, but it's there/ It's not like he goes every movies unscathed. I admit the series falls for the 'shooting gallery' meme where he easily dispatches tons of foes with little effort, and it's unfortunate.

I like how in Raid 1 every felon suddenly lose guns (where did the snipers go?) and go for the machete attack.

i like dogs, but dog people are fucking retards now. can't get on an airplane without like five dogs on board, might as well start letting chickens on board too.

But the tea house

Olde Boy
Raid 1
Raid 2
The Night Comes for Us

>why is this dogshit so good to retards