Damn who could live like that?

You have friends? Much better off than me. I am envious.

>millions of young men with absolutely zero experience regarding women or relationships
How did this happen? Where did society go wrong?

You're basically me... Except for the last sentence

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I have had three women ask me to be their bf and I have turned them all down. Relationships are for niggers and faggots.

the hard part is becoming friends with women in the first place, they operate like a different species. hard to get along with.

31 here

>use to have friends at least
>now don’t even have that

I keep going because I’ve always been sort of stubborn in life but to not even have what I at least had before. I just feel like I’m existing for the sake of instead of living anymore.

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just sit back and enjoy a front row seat to the collapse of mankind, user

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The internet

True. There’s many women i find attractive yet can’t bring myself to talk to them because I know she’ll be uninteresting

Just BEE yourself user

I already am. Except I’m not enjoying it. I’ve never wanted to be rich or famous or any of that bullshit most people around me want. I just wanted to feel normal. Just once.

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i was a goofy nerd in school so girls made fun of me, made me afraid to talk to them. also grew up without a dad since my parents got divorced and my mother never told me about girls. in middle and high school i was super socially awkward, then i dropped out of school and basically never left the house through my 20s. the game was rigged from the start, user.

>manlet
>mediocre face
>thin bones so despite lifting for a year I still have bird legs and forearms
>socially awkward/probably autistic
Why would any woman want me? The idea of even trying makes me cringe because of how ridiculous it would look.

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Went to a tech college, then transferred to one that I could commute to. No girls, then no clubs or dormmates.

jesus just admit you long for a relationship and go from there you coping retard.

i know plenty of short guys that get ladies. a lot of girls are actually intimidated by tall guys.

Kind of the same user. I had a dad but he didn’t give a fuck about anything except his hobbies so he wasn’t around. Girls use to pick on me when I was little so it made it hard to approach and when I finally did like them they wanted nothing to do with me. I’m changed a lot since then but the damage is done. Now I’m much older and I feel whatever prime I would have had is gone. All you anons below 30 make something happen. It gets worse after you cross the 30 threshold.

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You might be able to make it with one of my traits, but not with all of them at once

seems like this shit is a trend, eh?

hey man at least you aint fat. nobody likes a fat guy

Pretty much. I wonder where everything went wrong. Not for any one individual mind you but as a whole. What was the turning point?

dating apps, third wave feminism and porn addiction

hmm at least none of you are 31 year old ugly skilless talentless poorfag touchless kissless socially retarded virgin NEETs like me. you guys still have time and hope

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You probably are right. I blame third wave feminism most though. It basically made it trendy with women to be cruel and demeaning to men.

My fellow 30s user. You understand. All these 20s anons don’t understand how much worse things get as you get older.

can you guys seriously not get dates

do you have jobs? are you fat? you just go to bars, talk to women and ask them about themselves then ask them out. You just need to be successful and fit

And >5'7, and handsome, and not balding, and charismatic

> No GF
Go to work
Go home
Fap to 10/10 professional semen demons
Play Vidya for hours with my Bros
Maybe read for a while
Sleep spreadeagled in my big COMF bed

> With GF
Go to work
Go home
Get a clumsy handy from a 5/10 who rambles about things she saw at the grocery store today during the act
Can't Vidya because gotta "spend time with her"
Can't read because gotta "spend time with her"
Sleep crammed into a tiny corner of the bed while she hogs the sheets

I... I'm not gonna make it bros...

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How did you get her

no one gives a fuck normalfaggot

>do you have jobs?
No
>are you fat?
Yeah
>you just go to bars
Scared of them
>talk to women and ask them about themselves then ask them out
Scared of that too.

She messaged me on a dating site.
I am under no illusions as to why: it's because she could feel the wall approaching, and I'm white and employed while she's neither.

I really don't want to go to work tomorrow. I called out sick in May, is it too soon to call out sick again you think

based, i lived that life until i was 27. you're gonna make it user.

i used to have a life, until i dumped the one true love of my life with whom i felt comfortable and very nearly asked to marry me. then i lost my job and moved back in with my mom. didn't date for four years. now i'm in school, the creepy old guy, never going to have a gf again.

cool story normalfag

> I'm white and employed while she's neither.
great, more mutts incoming

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Do you see yourself moving up with the company you're with right now? If it's a dead end job or just some temporary/transitional position then missing a day every couple months is probably not a big deal. If you see it as a step in your career, just go to work. Calling out sick on Fridays is suspicious as hell.

>live alone
>on all of the dating apps/sites
>never any bites
>join a rock climbing gym to meet girls
>haven't meet one
why is it so hard bros?

30. Had girlfriends in my early 20s. Had friends up to my late 20s.
Now it's just me and some family.
Hold onto those friends, and hope that they don't do anything to fuck you over.

>tfw turn 24 in a week
>no-one to share it with
>have had 1 gf
>only got together because I have a nice face that hides my social retardation
>hung out with someone as a friend for a few days but haven't heard from them in a while
>I probably fucked up without realizing and scared em off

That is literally how it's been since the dawn of man. Except it used to be much worse. There are more men than women and traditionally only the strongest breed.

>until i dumped the one true love of my life with whom i felt comfortable
Explain why.
I have a comfy - but poor and rapidly aging - GF, and I'm real close to getting rid of her because hotter, richer, younger women are interested in me.
But I am held back by the crippling fear ending up in your situation; please advise.

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Try being almost 40 in Central Utah and being the only person within hours that isn't Mormon.
I was doing the severe alcoholism thing up until very recently, but almost died so I can't drink anymore.
And by almost died I mean a month in the hospital and a chaplain met with me asking if I had funeral arrangements, next of kin, etc.,

Look at those books! His mind must be in decent shape.

He has a good couch, a tv.

He has lived!

>There are more men than women
I don't think this has ever been the case in any civilization at any point in human history, has it?
When one gender spends it's days hunting mastodons or fighting feudal wars, and the other spends it's days at home sewing, you can see how the demographic imbalance you describe is inaudible.
EDIT: OK, modern China has more men than women due to their strange combo of "Lol girls are shit" + one child gommunism. But other than that, never?

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I don't want to get metood

I know. I'm an old man now!

Women our age are fat husks. MILFS are now grannies.

I get desperate messages from women my age as well.

They're so used up. It's depressing.

You're not important enough to get metood.
It only works on people with at least some degree of notoriety. The min is something like "indie game dev".
"Luckily" for us plebs, we're not rich or popular enough to get mobbed.

no one is impressed

cause your boring and not interesting prob

>damn who could live like that

>perpetually being a drunk sad sack piece of shit who feels sorry for himself in comparison to the fictional lives of instagram idiots
nah

she was my age (~30) but was hitting the wall and the sex for me was never great. we loved each other dearly but it had started to feel like we were just friends. i was very, very fit, i'm not a bad looking guy, and thought i could attract younger fitter models. for a couple of reasons, i didn't. 1) alcoholism, and 2) lost the job that kept me afloat and the rage issues that came with that particular set of circumstances. drank bourbon and cokes for a few years, didn't work out, developed a gut, and of course no young thing is going to come to me then. surprisingly i have one or two prospects now that i'm actually around young women again. i've cut back on the booze and soda, and started working out a little but it's a huge mountain to climb. i'm not young anymore.

all I can say is choose wisely. if you have someone halfway intelligent who is trustworthy and loves you and your dick, recognize that she is special and rare. don't cheat on her either, or it really will be over whether you like it or not.

You can still get accused it just won't be big news.

I could live like that.

Basically it all comes down to if you want to live in blissful ignorance or painful realization.

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I really just want a gf that enjoys being put on a dog collar and leash. It's my fetish.

I think it's less depressing than NOT getting messages from anyone.
But yes: still a little depressing.
I try to console myself by believing that women exchanging sex for provisions has been the cornerstone of gender relations for 2 million years, and I should reconcile myself to the Paleo ways of my ancestors rather than cursing it. So she's only fucking you so she doesn't die of exposure: fine. What was, will be.

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that's something you go to the internet or to a private organization, for, user. or rely on luck that whichever gf you do find is into it.

The saddest part is that a huge portion of posters here are in high school or college. They probably even know full well that they will never have a better opportunity in their life than right now to meet people and be a part of a group. Still they act this way.

>Not two wives

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My female cousin would abuse me sexually when i was5 (made me go down on her or finger her) but then when we were in front of family or her other female friends, she would bully me, humiliate me and beat me.
This caused me to develop fears of women and problems sexually. Her humiliation caused me to have a phobia of women

Shes very wealthy now and has 2 kids, god doesnt exist

I vaguely remember high school, to the extent that I think there's two problems with that:
1) When I was in high school, I still believed I could Be Somebody, so I was genuinely taking the path of "Disregard bitches, acquire currency". And, to be fair, while I didn't become Somebody, I did become a man with an above average income, and 30 year old women will suck dick on command for a taste of that sweet, salty... solvency.
2) You think women in their 20-30s are annoying and conceited, but they're nothing compared to high school girls. The cruel realities of life tend to teach women at least some degree of humility, as they discover that in fact they are not the center of the universe and the Carousel does not last forever.

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That’s fair. High school sucks for a lot of people but I feel really bad for guys that just ghost their way through college as well. There’s just so many opportunities that shouldn’t be squandered in your college years.

Well I'm not an alcoholic, or consumed with rage, and I have no reason to believe I'll lose my job imminently.
So OK, I'll do it: I'll dump my devoted gamer gf for a younger one whos' dad's a property-owning doctor.
Appreciate the case study user.

>(made me go down on her or finger her)
>she would bully me, humiliate me and beat me.
Can you elaborate more on these if you can
Thanks

You should rape her haha

>just

Same except I don't really have close friends

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Yeah a submissive gf is nice. Lots of degrading things I want to do but I dont think the average woman likes getting pissed on or eating out of a dog bowl.
Cuckqueaning is the thinking mans fetish.

>tfw you shut down female attention because it's just too much hassle to establish rapport with someone new

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lmao I have a girlfriend, all of you faggots btfo, also im white and a nazi and shes asian, stay mad incels.

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Literally me, except I'm 24 and I don't have any friends.

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>Be 14
>Awkward, ugly, mildly autistic
>Chad cousin is trying to show me how to pick up girls at the local mall
>He goes up to some girl, flashes a smile, says a line, gets her number like it's fucking nothing
>He gets me pumped up
>Picks out a girl for me to try it on
>I go up to her, totally confident, start to say the same line
>She fucking RUNS away from me
>5 minutes later mall security shows up to escort me out

I'm 27 now. I have not attempted to engage a woman in conversation since then.

It would be at night when everyone was sleeping. She would shove my head down there, and make me lick. I had no idea what was going on.

Punching down
Wow, you sure are brave. Wow user, you sure humiliated everyone in here. Holy shit you are fucking based.
You deserve an award or a metal or something.

the world has always produced fucked up losers who die alone, you just never knew about them because they never got the chance to leave a legacy.

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Made me laugh and wanna cry at the same time lol.

I used to be like you. For 4 years I didn't care about girls liking or disliking me, I was just doing my own thing. But then I met a girl 4 months ago that was just pretty down to earth. Wasn't like a pretty girl or even a girly girl. I fell hard and I'm still "orbiting" her despite knowing she has a bf. I feel like absolute shit

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My parents never let me hang out with girls or go over school mates house for parties.

Yeah it's probably too late for you.

I wanted to bone some chick since I was 12 and I had to wait until I was 19, it took some effort but now I wouldn't put that much work into it.

Hot
What if you said no? Would she get violent?

Not true, 50 years ago women did not have so many posibilities and women were expected to marry young.
Also your family or parents could hook you up or set you up with a nice girl they knew, it was okay for parents to set up marriages.

Not true at all. Back then if you wamted to marry you could, and women had to settle and women had to lower their expectations.

>My parents never let me hang out with girls
same, why would anybody think this is a good idea. Maybe they thought that when we get older that society would still be intact or something.

Why the fuck would you do that man? You'd be better off alone, don't befriend girls unless it's ALREADY your wife

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Could be like how my mom was where she was overprotective. I’ve seen a lot of moms that are that way. I know know mom wants to think about the son they had is going to plow out some girl but they need to accept it instead of inhibiting it.

Liber Null and Psychonaut

What you do is you invite her to church

Sounds hot tp you now but i was getting no pleasure from it at all and i was too young to understand. I knew people would become girlfriend and boyfriend to kiss,
But she was abusive and punched me or stabbed me with her nails. She wasnt loving. Or nurturing

If she had been loving and abused me with care i think i would be okay.
I had a vague idea of couples kissing and hugging, being loving
But she was a legit bully. No love or caring at all. Just pain and humiliation.

I remember my mom being afraid I would impregnate a girl at 12 years old. I didn't even know what sex was at 12.

What do those have to do with what I said user?

What is your relationship with her like now?
Does she ever bring it up or give you a knowing smile? Or does she ever try to abuse you again?

I've been thinking about it more harder this past month. I don't have many friends, and she was just really nice to me. We really connected right away and she went out of her way to make contact with me. She never even mentioned she had a bf. Two weeks in I was going to tell her I liked her but I found out from circle of friend she had that she was already dating someone. Instead of leaving or telling her I just decided to stick around because it felt nice having someone to hang out with again.

One problem is potted plant syndrome.

Parents move you as a kid, parents divorce and move you again, then you switch from high school to college in a different city, then college to your first job is another city, then obviously you have to move on from your first job for your career to advance and that's at least moving across the metropolis if not going to a totally different one.

When you move a plant too much like that, it gives up and stops growing. Hence, potted plant syndrome.

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The abuse happened for some years but i moved away. Today She acts like it never happened. Its been decades, but the bitch acts like a normal person. Like a regular lady. Like nothing ever ever happen. She acts like a normie.
I dont think she thinks she hurt me, i think she believes we were just playing around or something. I think she thinks it was a game.
The only weird thing is that she doesnt let her kids be alone with me, like if i was gonna hurt them. Like because im single and dont have friends im a cliche incel.

travel to some 3rd world shithole and buy one

She's probably worried you'll molest her kids like she molested you. That's pretty common apparently.

Single mothers, women’s suffrage, and the destruction of marriage.

I'm taking another job in a different state, my plan is to live a quiet life not be bothered with anyone's shit

it's a pretty common misconception, being molested leads to a higher likelihood of general criminal behavior as an adult, but not necessarily pedophilia.

Or she may be molesting her own kids and doesn't want him to find out

I just became a shy autist. Too afraid to talk to a girl.
She ruined my life.

unironically go kill her

Why didn't you ask about it? Just ask. If she does have a boyfriend, then leave.
The more you orbit, the less you are able to give a chance to the "real one", mate. Ask yourself the question: Do you really want to spend years waiting your turn for a girl that never shared your feelings?
Don't sperg out, explain your feelings if you must to her, explain why you want to leave, then leave and never go back because that kind of situation could kill you.
She's not the only one on earth, there's always someone else.
I believe in you, it's never too late.
Just don't do the same mistakes you made.

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