It: Chapter 2

I mean, I'm an adult; It was never going to scare me. Also, I'm not going to stand back and say "MARVEL QUIPS" but Jesus fuck, man, it was just a laugh-a-minute. And it wasn't just me, with my really stupid sense of humor; Everyone was laughing.

Also, all the weird CGI monsters and the Spider-Clown at the end looked to be straight from Beetlejuice. Just CGI and not puppety/stop-motion/animatronics. That did not help.

There were these few seconds where Richie gets caught by the lights where I thought it would be happening. But then it didn't.
It's pretty easy, if you don't do the Turtle scene, then you're stuck at finding other means of fucking It over.
And in this case, it was calling It names.

ive only seen the first one but they should have cut osme of the kids in order to devlope the others. The only important ones are georgie's brother, the girl, the new kid, and eddie can stay because he has an interesting situation with his mother. richie, the homeschooled kid, and the jew were all wasted screen time.

>And why is it the unwillingness to show the fucking Turtle scene?

Because it’s fucking stupid like that Watchmen octopus.

Yeah, no can do.
They're supposed to be a team, remember?
So everyone gets equal treatment, even though some stories might be less interesting.
Well, that literally how they kill It in the book.
And it way less stupid than calling It names.

Because it’s Homophobic hate propaganda. They should all be jailed!

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It's literally the second chapter of the book, like page 15.
And it's there to show what a shit town Derry is.
Did they say anything about Richie being gay, because that's definitely not in the book.

Brainlet

>way less stupid than calling It names.

Fair

Nope. This movie is 3 hours of hate speech

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Because it and the miniseries made the same mistake by evenly splitting the child and adult scenes into separate narratives.
The book flipped between past and present between chapters, so you didn't really care that King was telling the same story twice.
Separating the two makes this extremely obvious and a lot of impact goes to shit.
The miniseries was even more hopeless since not a single adult actor in the losers club could act if their lives depended on it.

Now, I'm gonna be honest, I was smiling while watching it because I had spoilers.
I was hoping a faggot would see my grin.

It was disappointing compared to the 2017 film, and thinking about the ending of the '90 series I'd probably even rank that one above this one. In short,
book > 2017 > 1990 > 2019

They fag bashing scene set a tone for that they should have ran with for the whole movie, then it wouldnt have seemed so out of place and probably would have made for a better movie

Jessica “Cowface” Chastain was a massive fucking downgrade from cute Lilis

The pacing and “suspense” were terrible. How the heck are you gonna have scary flashbacks with kids I just saw as adults? Clearly they don’t die

Yeah, but both endings are wrong, sadly.
What the Turtle scene does is introduce It as a multiverse holy devil that can only be defeated mentally.
I'm sad they thought the audience wouldn't buy it.

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Half the movie was fucking recaps. The adults quests were stupid and most just used the kids again anyway. Pennywise was fucking useless and behaved differently from scene to scene. The end fight was stupid as hell

Did you read the book?
When you think about the ending they showed, it changes everything.

You can only go so far with "spooky clowns!" They were unwilling to attempt to take the deeper dive into the material, and just turned into another run of the "mill supernatural entity trying to kill people" movie.

Eddie was so out of character in this one. Feels more like Richie 2.0 than Eddie.
And the kid actor who play him forgot how to act

Maybe they should have waited 27 years to do the sequel.
That way, they could have think of something better.

Somebody explain to me what turtle scene you guys are talking about?

Just fucking read the book.
Warning: Underage sex

>massive fucking downgrade
What’s wrong with you?

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The opening fag beat down was pretty good. It had the right tone at least that the rest of the movie neglected

Not enough young Bev. She was the only reason to even bother with this trash in the first place.

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A turtle bites Bill's peepee when he's swimming and goes poopoo but Bill gets turtle based superpowers from it and beats Pennywise.

except you don't see anything from that shit

Now, I'm gonna try to be positive about this movie:
They really nailed the Michael calling everyone pretty good vs source material.
I also liked how everyone just want to get the fuck out which wasn't really the case in the TV series.
Adult actors were believably grown up versions of the kids.
But everything else is bad.
Now I'm OP, so don't be surprised.
The decision to make It a physical only being really limits what they can show from the book.
And it plagues the entire movie.
What really broke me was them saying the chud ritual was supposed to kill it, and it's in the beginning of the movie.
When it's nothing but a native American way to get high.
Yeah, that's it.

That actress looked way too old. The character is supposed to be like 12 but instead looked like a high school freshman

Nothing. It was better than Chapter 1.

39 yo women are fucking ugly.

Eh, I think the humor in the movie is blown out of proportion. I watched the movie at a weekday matinee showing with a small audience and people weren't laughing nonstop. Most of the jokes Richie makes are just due to him coping and aren't necessarily meant to be funny (some certainly are though). There were a few moments where the tone got confused, but the movie felt about the same as the first movie to me and I revisited Chapter One before I saw Chapter Two. I agree about the CGI though.

Yeah some of those flashback scenes feel redundant. They could have cut out the ones for Ben and the one for Eddie and the whole film would feel tighter

I guess my only problem was that it wasn't as scary as the first one? The opening scene and the firefly scene were really good Pennywise scenes but I never really felt like the adults were in danger.

I said it in a thread last night too, but I thought the gay subplot with Richie was actually really good, as well as the Ben and Bev plot. The movie shines by having the adults actually act like their kid versions.

I wonder why they haven't made a proper go at doing a King cinematic universe.
Just throwing in a reference here and there seems easy enough.

I'm pretty sure the miniseries alternated like the book.

Jessica is the most beautiful woman in the world.

That Eddie flashback was weird. The leper tonguing his mother and the Angel of the Morning music.

Ben was difficult cos he seemed really boring but also to get no focus. I guess it's a consequence of his chapter one self getting all of Mike's stuff to do, and then in chapter two suddenly adult Mike gets it all back.

I feel they could've cut loads to no detriment
>The gay bashing
>Birthmark-on-face girl
>The clubhouse
>The antique shop
>Every Powers scene
Three hours is fine for Gettysburg and Das Boot, but way too long for spoopy clowns
I think the Pennywise lore scenes were my favourite, old lady in flat (before she turned into something from The Hobbit) was great too

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The humour coming from Richie is fine, most of them are just short one liners. It's Eddie always trying to be funny that gets annoying. It feels like Jack Grazer was barely acting and is just being himself and the older actors followed it

Ben’s didn’t even make sense because it’s Pennywise chasing him through school but the first movie starts on the last day of school before summer vacation and they all forget about Pennywise before school starts the next year. And we already know none of them went to summer school.

>(before she turned into something from The Hobbit)
They really did mess up with that.

Yeah, I guess Eddie was kind of weird. I don't really get why he became the most foulmouthed one in the group.

He was my favorite character in the book.
Here it just looks like he's after Bev's old pussy.

Ben's flashback threw me off so much. Unless I missed something, it really made no sense.

>What went wrong?

The first half of the book is the best because it's about kids fighting some piss ant monster that nested in their town. But King went full ham and made it into some extradimensional epic cosmic space nightmare in the second!!!FACT!!!

>fullmouthed
I see what you di there.

Skarsgard really should have been more subdued in this movie to illustrate that, now that the Losers know they can hurt Pennywise and now that It is scared of them, the pretenses have been dropped. It's been a while since I've gone through the whole story (I went through the Derry interludes again recently) but if I recall correctly, It started being a lot meaner, and nastier with the adults. I might be misremembering, but even so, I still think that's where they should have gone with it.

Fucking with Richie about his sexuality was good though.

>The first half of the book is the best because it's about kids

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It wasn't in the book, if it makes you feel better.

>The first half of the book is the best because it's about kids
Yeah.
Ok, just maybe your brain organized it back after reading it.

I feel like I would've enjoyed Skarsgard being more spiteful and mean a lot more than just him being the same as the first movie honestly

Her jittering around in the background was really unsettling, then
>AAAAAAAA monsteeeeeer
My gf was laughing her head off

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both kid and adult parts run concurrently run into the very end you fucking retard

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Exactly. It would have been a cold surprise compared to how he was in the first movie or how he was with the birthmark kid.

>What went wrong?
You can't show unexplainable psychological horror and battles which take place in the mind/on another plane of existence on screen.

He was pretty sadistic in the house of mirrors.

Well, I read it again, and it looks ok in my mind, pretty sure I could get pretty shots from that Turtle's ass.
Here's what happened:
They pussied out from showing the raw material.
And from here, they had to change everything.

The turtle is inconsequential. Both movies and the mini series suck because the source material is borderline nonsense. Plenty of good ideas, but its all mired in crazy. All the adaptations focused too much on the fucking clown, which is just a single manifestation of IT. It worked well for the miniseries because Tim Curry is a fucking legend. Nothing worked well for the new stuff because they're just more examples of modern horror, which is shit.

Above all, though, the reason they all failed is that IT is lovecraftian horror which doesn't fucking belong in a live action medium because they literally cannot do it right. The aspects that make up lovecraftian horror do not work in tv or film.

I haven't read the book in 30 years, so suck the shit out of my ass. My point still stands that the PARTS WITH THE KIDS are the because of reasons previously stated. So gargle my load and wash it down with some piss you fucking nigger faggots!!!FACT!!!

>I haven't read the book in 30 years
Holy shit, you must be ancient.

just animate it or show drawings on rocks like godzilla movies

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Based. My wife Sophia Lillis is so cute.

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You need to realize the book having both kid and adult stories going together was what made the novel good.
They don't remember shit because you haven't read it before.
It's a technical masterpiece.

Boomer filth

FAKE REDHEAD

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The fag getting dumped in the river was kino

So?

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Nah, it lacked the interrogation afterwards by cops, and how they let it go.

The adult and kids go together throughout the book, though yes. The kids parts were far more interesting in my opinion.

I was interested in watching until I read about de-aging kids. They're kids, they don't need to be made young.

Gheeeey

bullshit

>I haven't read the book in 30 years
Oh no no no no no no he is the true IT

>You can't show unexplainable psychological horror and battles which take place in the mind/on another plane of existence on screen.

You can, but you have to be brave enough to go full dream logic. They tried doing this with It's shape being the three lights, but it didn't work that well.

>lovecraftian horror which doesn't fucking belong in a live action medium because they literally cannot do it right. The aspects that make up lovecraftian horror do not work in tv or film.

Heavily disagree. You just have to be willing to use effects to make actually mind bending visuals. I don't think they think the audience can cope with that. Think of the short story that has a guy go insane from the geometry of a room not making any sense. You CAN show this visually in a way that'd be interesting.

Inception had geometry bending on a dream logic state.
Dr Strange had magical world rearranging that looked really nice.
You can visualize even hypercubes with effects if you want to.

A lot of Lovecraftian stuff has to do with the personal experience of going insane trying to comprehend the incomprehensible and that's something movies has tried and sometimes succeeded at. 2001 for instance. It's not horror, but it shows using personal POV and dream logic visuals can be really effective.

Hell, In the Mouth of Madness is basically this realized, but with a budget and technology that doesn't quite reach what it could have been. Event Horizon also has demonic dream material that's along the lines of what I'm thinking. Hellraiser has a few such scenes. Freddy did the dream logic thing fairly well in some movies.
The elements are there.

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I love Jessica Chastain, but I don’t think she was good casting for the character, beyond the physical resemblance.

It’s not noticeable. I didn’t know they used cgi until I read posts on Yea Forums

Only a little, to show that the kid section was a flashback. It alternated even less than chapter 2 did.

Let's be honest, if you were to make a It movie that covers everything, you'd get a 6 hours thing.
It's impossible to keep the novel's structure of adults remembering shit all along.
Because you wouldn't get any cliffhanger at all at the end of part 1.

It's been a while since I read the book, but basically there's this gigantic cosmic turtle that is an ancient powerful being like IT, but benevolent. It'd be kinda weird to suddenly introduce it in the movie, but I would have liked it.

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How can one post be this based? Well done user, good to see someone who's not a complete retard that doesn't understand the whole scope of 'Lovecraftian' for once.

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The turtle dies choking on its own throwup.
Then they're left alone fighting It, 27 years later.
Now it's about Bill getting over his stuttering in the book, but I bet they could of found anything.

Source material is no more fucked than any of the other King works that have been adapted successfully. IT is one of his better works.
I'd agree but King knew the adult part was weaker, and that's why in the book, the two plotlines ran simultaneously to the end basically.

I wasn't very wanting to watch this movie.
I knew it had potential to scare me for my whole life.
Instead I never got scared at all.

Too much clown.

There was no interrogation afterwards because nothing IT ever does in the town gets investigated fully beyond a reporter or writer reporting on it for historical purposes. Its one of the powers Pennywise has. He holds the town in some kind of trance and the adults dont see the horror the kids are going through. Thats also the reason none of them remembered anything until they got back but Mike remembered everything because he never left. This was all covered and portrayed in the book ,miniseries and 2 movies.

IT is pretty hard to do on screen though.
If you wanted to be somewhat rigorous, it would be a 6 hours movie.

But, no, read the book.
It the second fucking chapter.

Splitting it up into more than 2 parts would have done it more justice.

Yeah, but you need them cliffhangers.
Which wouldn't work with a legit movie description.

I saw an interview with Muschetti on youtube and he said he has about 6 hours of footage hes going to release at some point. He said hes not done with it yet.

Not a movie, but it would work as a Netflix series.

Richie looks very cute in the arcade sequence

I guess it could work in this format.

He looks like a faggot, and from what I rad, he's definitely not, preventing himself from getting any woman pregnant.

I'd keep the birthmark girl and clubhouse scenes, but would've just put the former in the beginning because I really didn't need to see Xavier Dolan acting like a little bitch. I honestly thought SK was actually Pennywise when I first saw the antique shop scene, it went on for way too long.

Pros:
>Some pretty great scenes (opening scene, firefly scene)
>Adult Richie and Eddie are pretty good actors
>Few good monsters Stanley head spider and zombie Henry’s friend (forgot his name)
>The chemistry in the Chinese restaurant scene was pretty good. I liked most of the first act

Cons:
>Almost 3 hours. Could’ve easily been trimmed to the same length of chapter 1
>Lots of terrible CGI monster Clown-spider and grandma monster were the worst
>Lackluster ending
>Repetitive scenes
>Henry Bowers wasn’t as effective as he was in chapter 1
>The rest of the cast is meh to passable
>Bev love triangle was a boring subplot

There’s probably stuff I’m missing but It was an average film. It’s better than some other horror films that I’ve seen this year (Brightburn).

>zombie Henry’s friend (forgot his name)
Patrick Hockstetter.

Eddie was out of character.
He's only supposed to show his balls at the very end with the asthma stick he burned up...

>Henry Bowers wasn’t as effective as he was in chapter 1
This is something that gets me because he showed up for a grand total of like 10 minutes before dying

is there a webm of pennywise's daughter coming out of the kitchen yet?

>Lackluster ending

They bullied the inter-dimensional millions of year old monster to death. Lackluster doesn't begin to cover it.

Yeah, I wonder why Patrick's story wasn't in the movie...

Get a billions likes.
That's exactly how I feel about this.

>Henry Bowers wasn’t as effective as he was in chapter 1
The only time he's under Pennywise's spell he attacks the Losers inside the well house and gets tackled down the well by Mike.
He incapacitates two Losers this time, by stabbing Eddie in the cheek and once again attacking Mike, then gets his skull split by Richie. Keep in mind that he spend 27 years in the asylum and was doughy af. As for his kill count:

IT Chapter One: His dad.
IT Chapter Two: His warden, possibly the other guy as well.

I love how he was played like some sort of parody of the 80s movie jock even though he was nothing like that in the first one

You mean his backstory that he's a solipsist and kills his little brother just because he beleives he doesn't exist anyway?
Because he was already dead at the start of part 1 and part 2 beign produced wasn't a sure shot.

does penny turn into a dog

Old Bowers was even less effective in the books? am I right?
He just attacks Mickael and get dead, if I remember correctly.
Hence why the only surprising moment for me was when Eddie got stabbed through his cheek.

It was just a series of scenes where some adults go somewhere on their own and get jumpscared. I hated the CGI and I think it would have been better if they used puppets and animatronics. I liked the scene with the old lady before the jumpscare, though.

Not to bite off the warden's head, but he's a standard pomeranian behind the NOT SCARY AT ALL DOOR, then morphs into a twisted gargantuan corpse... of a pomeranian.
Yeah exactly.

It was surprisingly close to the books. Maybe it works better as a mini-series, but a 5 to 10 episodes one.

Oh hohohoho. You'll hate the fucking book. It flashes back and forth constantly between the kids and adult timeline.

OK, here's a proposal:
Make One movie that ends with Neighbor Street and the Silver bullet.
Now it's too early for a two part, but you can pretend shit happens before.
Then you get the ending with both adults and kids fighting IT in their own ways.

Chastain is hot but amy adams would have been a better fit for a grown up lillis

>It was surprisingly close to the books
I don't know what you expected, but it was nowhere near the book in the end.

Keep in mind they filmed IT 2017 so that it would work as a standalone film, not so much just part 1 of a two part story. That meant Part 2 had to needs must retread old ground because it wasn't planned and entirely dependent on the first movie's performance.

Anyone remember Audrey?
Oh yeah they replaced her with the kid in the labyrinth.

They tried to jumpstart it with the Dark Tower movie but they inexplicably did some stunt casting with Idris Elba and turned it all into a big meme. Mathew McConaughey as the man in black was fucking perfect casting though, not sure what happened with the rest of it.

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Yeah, and that's the problem all along.
All of It's narration is characters don't remember until you read it. It's fucking brilliant, actually.

is Kingverse lore deeper than TESlore?

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I was spoiled by the first film so there was no tension

I remember her being called Audra and at least showing up in the beginning.

Bill's wife didn't show up, he didn't have to wake her up with his bike and they didn't have to crush It's eggs or kill It as a spider, but I expected something way too different.

>Let's take seven books with >1000 pages each and push them into 90 minutes

Maybe it was Audra.
But she plays a role in all this and they chose to wipe it out.

>All the adaptations focused too much on the fucking clown, which is just a single manifestation of IT
This is what bugs the hell out of me too. If I remember the book right, It appears as corpses of loved ones and stuff like that just as much, maybe even more, than the Pennywise form.
The other big whiff was setting it in the 80's and not updating Its other habit of appearing as movie monsters to fuck with the kids. Yeah, yeah, rights issues and all that, but between WB and New Line they have the Nightmare franchise, Critters, Gremlins, Creepshow and some other classic horror titles they could draw from.

>something way too different.
I guess you got it.

Deeper as in depth? No, but King has tied a shitload of things together over the decades so it just has a shitload of content associated with it.
>that time King wrote himself and the incident where he got hit by a car into the narrative of the dark tower series as an attempted assassination by the antagonists of the book

>Idris Elba
Heeeeyep. I see your problem right here.

IT, wouldn't be a successful novel if it was anything like Horror classics.

Casting Idris was the least of their fuck ups with The Dark Tower. They completely changed the story and tried to make an action flick out of a character drama written by a cocaine addict.

They weren't doing the entire series in one movie, you're confused. Also the first few dark tower books weren't 1000 pages.

Yeah, but he hospitalises Mike so he can't be present during the ritual.
I guess given how they gave him fuck all to do in part one, they didn't want to sideline him again.

Yeah, thanks for repeating what I said in my post, you're such a big help user.

At the start when it showed how breaking was like some sort of torture, I realised it wasn't gonna be as nuanced as the books

I really liked how the actor actually looked like a 27 years older Bowers from the first movie.
I never doubted he was the same guy.

I thought the casting was mostly pretty spot on for the adults.
My only niggle was James McAvoy as Bill, that seemed like more of a choice cos he was A-list, but he did a fine job.

who the fuck actually wants to see a talking space turtle

IT's true presence in the town is like an ever present field of brain mist. It clouds the minds of the adults so they never interfere and it keeps everyone utterly miserable and maladjusted because that's the environment it needs to keep those kids nice and delicious. That is hard to translate into live action with out a narrator or one of the characters shitting out exposition so the audience can keep up.

The turtle's vomit is our universe. The turtle "died" countless millennia before the kids even fought IT.

It’s in the book. Why did you say you read the book if it alludes to this multiple times? Stop being a make believe gatekeeper

People with an appreciation for kino. The fate of this adaptation was sealed as soon as they vetoed the turtle. Now I have to wait for another attempt at adapting this for the screen which could be decades from now.

Now that I think about it, maybe the best scene was when Bowers wakes up after part 1.
And him just walking to cops after that like nothing happened.
Madness, looks liberating.

>All you said is true
>Therefore, you're lying
What?

Richie could conceivably be gay in the book with the little amount of focus given to him. Him reconciling who he is actually provides a neat bookends to the hate-crime at the start and shows how people can progress now It is dead and the hate it represents is gone. The kind of thing King might have done if it had occured to him.

they had a budget to accurately show the interdimensional crazy hellfire of hurtling through space and seeing the full fiery deadlights but instead did goofball shit the whole finale. put the fucking turtle in!!! you had three hours to set it up and its just goofy cgi shit!!

you think you do but you dont.

it would not fit tone-wise anywhere in the movie. monsters are scarier when their origins arent explained.

No

>you didn't do goofy cgi turtle shit and instead did other goofy cgi shit REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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You make good points, but you miss some facts. Movies are business ventures, and the things you list are risky to do. Too risky for the potential payoff, especially now. I wasn't saying it was impossible because it COULDN'T be done, I was saying its impossible because it'll NEVER be done. It'd have to be an independent project not funded/ released by any major production company and in that case they wont have access to the sort of software/technology needed to pull off the effects in a worthwile manner. It'd also be boring as shit to anyone who doesn't love Lovecraft's boring ass books

I love Lovecraft's boring ass books.

Worked just fine in the book.

I'm OP, so get your upvote.

No turtle aside, I respect how weird the film was. The angel of the morning scene is a bit of a meme complaint but it was a bit weak how they tried to play absurdity for laughs. For the rest of the film, they just sort of went all-out with the weirdness without sheepishly backing down. And given how they hadn't really done turtle shit in chapter one, it make sense to either omit it or do loads of exposition which would slow it down.

The Jew literally is.All he did was bitch and moan and decide to kill himself when he was actually expected to help, maybe have him in as a close friend, maybe who inadvertantly helps one the main kids espcape pennywise, but then later gets killed, causing the other kids to reee uncontrollably.

What was the point of all those turtle Easter eggs in both movies?

All they needed to do was splice in subliminal turtles images into the movie. That would be enough to make it work.

Well, it's just sad.
The inter-dimensional devil becomes a weak as fuck bully.
I' say it's insulting to the work even.
I'm not Stephen King, but this doesn't paint any justice to his work. And he fucking was in the movie.

So that you, the reader, know that they didn't outright ditch the turtle but left it in there as an easter egg for you. The pipe weed the Chocolate Indians give Mike to smoke is also called "Maturin".

It's meant for people that read the novel.

Richie calls his crush cute to mock him in the book, in a friendly irritating way. He also has tons of failed marriages to women before he stopped all together.

King didn’t mean him to be gay I’m sure, but it could be understood that way.

the turtle isn't goofy its a benevolent godlike force that provides protection to the losers. It explains their immunity to It's shenanigans instead of the movie where its confusing why It can affect them sometimes and can't other times. It's also a gut punch when bill is hurtling through space and sees the turtle dead. Some great cosmic corpse invoking dread at what little protection they had being taken away from them is a little bit different than a random googly eyed cgi woman screaming and running around or the spider It who also just screams and runs around ineffectively until they realize they just need to ebully it to death.
I will say his deflated head when he's all vulnerable is a pretty neat visual but overall that finale was wack. Just running around in a cave for like a solid hour while the tone switches abruptly from attempting to be scary to full on comedy. there's no dread, theres no cosmic horror, its a total mess.

The 2014 script actually slyly references the sewer gangbang and is pretty great all around. I don't know what the fuck happened to the later drafts when it goes completely off the rails.

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This user gets it. Sadly I’m happy with IT because despite its formulaic direction this time; it’s a more weirder movie which presents more risky opportunities for future directors or even this one.

Yeah, I don't buy it.
He was just a man that didn't want his sexuality yielding him any children.

Given how cool the turtle seemed in It, I kind of hated how the beam guardians were portrayed in The Dark Tower (even if their decay was sort of the point)

>its a benevolent godlike force that provides protection to the losers.
>a giant space turtle
You think that isn't goofy?

If there's anything that should be ripped from IT, well, there you have it.

It's only goofy if you're a brainlet who doesn't know mythology.

I’m glad they didn’t use movie monsters. IT should stand on its own.

I'm still mad at the clown-spider.

I know mythology, and a giant space turtle is still fucking goofy. King's dark tower universe is a fucking mess, you really shouldn't get so hung up on it.

you set it up without showing it. Use that wax can thats in bills basement or whatever. They could have even retconned it in like they did with the fort, its not like they were lacking runtime to do it. Then the only time the turtle is shown is when its dead in space, choked on its own stary vomit. get a few good artists on that and its a somber setpiece. It's not even goofy.
Following the actual structure of the book at risk of it coming off as a little corny would have been better than what they ended up doing, which was just chucking in elements of the books structure then veering off in their own nonsensical direction padded by at least two hours of crazy cgi monsters screaming. I liked chapter 1 a lot and this was just a aimless disappointment. And it hurts doubly as bad because they had the success of the first one to ride off of, they could have really done a great flick.

>good turtle is goofy
>evil spider is badass xD

You know, I read IT when I was pretty young.
It really affected me emotionally.
I hope it gets adapted truthfully once, but it looks like the movie format is not the best for it.
Actually, it's perfect for a 10-13 episodes series on Netflix.
But I guess it's too soon now.

I don't see why you should be mad. That way, the thing can still properly emote and talk to the losers and Skarsgard gets some much needed screentime. The TV series bungled it by turning the spider silent and making it a physically present spider in the first place. Clowndrider is at least somewhat otherworldly as the deadlights circling the room need to act through it even though they're right there.

>is still fucking goofy.
No goofier than a shapeshifting killer clown. This actually has a historical basis to it too. Audiences would have reacted to Maturin with awe and feelings of transcendental beauty if they did him justice.

They should had done the sewer orgy scene would had made the movie a insta 10/10

>Actually, it's perfect for a 10-13 episodes series on Netflix.

Are you sure you're ready for an even greater proportion of the cast to be gay and Bev to be in love with Mike.

Just do a dramatised audiobook with a full cast. Take the full text, give everyone their own role, and throw out bits like "said he" or "yelled she".

OK, that as never part of the story.
What can It do?
Insulting them back?
Dear gods, It's so fucking weak. And it shouldn't.

Movies are made to make money. No one would understand that scene unless they had a narrator or one of the characters exposition it in plain english, which would be utterly shit for it's own reasons. Either way it's too much of a risk for a third rate, throw away horror flick a studio couldn't give a shit about beyond the potential revenue.

>gey
There's that, but if they can keep the remembering structure of the book, then it's fine by me.

>I hope it gets adapted truthfully once
>it's perfect for a 10-13 episodes series on Netflix
>adapted truthfully
>on Netflix

The existing audiobook is 46 hours long. There's a lot of unnecessary detail that you could cut out.

Should I go watch this anons? I've liked the first movie, I was thinking about going tomorrow.

>Just running around in a cave for like a solid hour while the tone switches abruptly from attempting to be scary to full on comedy.
Someone in one of these threads put it best. It went from "This is God" Freddy to "Welcome to prime time bitch!" Freddy in the span of a single movie.

>Notflix
I meant whatever.
Material is too much for a movie anyways.

Explain what the turtle is to me. I am not familiar with it

the book doesnt have to worry about tonal consistency since its all over the place and 1000 pages long. movies dont work like that.

also it was stupid in the book too.

THIS

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Yeah, you know, it's all part of character development. As trivial as you may think.

>also it was stupid in the book too.
I thought it was very cool and also based.

It made the mistake of allowing the adults to perceive it again like they did as children, only its old tricks didn't work with adults anymore and they knew what it was, so they were able to turn tables on it.

Cutting stuff out defeats the purpose of an audiobook. I'm not talking about a radio play or radio drama. Just the full text with the bits omitted that become self-explanatory by having actors act out the dialogue of their characters. We've got audiobooks like those in Germany.

The interdimensional devil doesn't even have any power in our world, beyond what it apes back at us from our own psyches. IT isn't intelligent or even really malevolent, its existence is just plain anathema to ours and it reacts accordingly based entirely on our own fears and shit.

>Teen qt approaching prime years gets replaced by menopausal roastie
Yeah, it's a huge fucking downgrade.

Read book. Come on, you'll be done next week.

>would have reacted to Maturin with awe and feelings of transcendental beauty if they did him justice.
Likewise, getting thrown a giant grotesque spider in their face, the audience might have something that could actually scare them, trigger a wide spread phobia or at the very least be unsettling or disgusting. I wish they would just try, they have the technology and budget these days.

Yeah, and even if the character would have been written the exact same, at least Adams would have looked convincingly sad/tired/etc.

>I'm a forced diversity apologist

We get it, bud. The most flamboyant 10% of the population deserves shoehorned representation in everything ever made, ever.

Okay I will. Only read other Stephen King stories like satan children and the smaller stories in it. I heard the turtle was the universe or something. Really weird to think a small horror story in a US town goes so deep into the lore

Yeah, that was convoluted, but I think I get it.
Hence why It feeds on children. Because they're easily tricked.

Spoilers: underage sex.
Yep, that didn't make it into the movies.

wasted trips.

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Same. I think a lot of kings ideas work because they are simple. Giant turtle god that threw up our universe. Sure, don't really need to question that. I also love how It is just layers of true form which ends at writhing hairy orange dead light. By giving such an explanation, we both get an answer and an idea, but there is more to speculate on. There is the quality in mystery of not too clearly defining something.

I think after the first one all the kids asked who they wanted to play their adult versions and Chastain was Lillis’ first choice.

thats what kills me. You can't blame the tv movie for not capturing the gonzo cosmic finale of the book because its just not feasible. But coming into this movie they had the massively successful chapter one, a huge budget, an audience who would go see it pretty much no matter what. They had the perfect chance to make this great faithful grand conflict of alien horrors and it's just more ooga booga garbage. So disappointing. This was the one chance to really do the book justice and its forgettable schlock.

It's very weird book.
You finish it and they're so much you hate about it.
But at the same time, those characters will follow you your whole life.

>No goofier than a shapeshifting killer clown.
It's a bit more goofy.
>This actually has a historical basis to it too. Audiences would have reacted to Maturin with awe and feelings of transcendental beauty if they did him justice
I'm curious how you expect them to do a giant space turtle justice.

Why does her face look like the girl from Jungle Book?

I was thinking animated Sabrina Spellman.

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>they didn't have the scene showing how Bev's husband tames her
Wasted potential

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>Netflix
>half the cast are now gay, transgender, muslims
>the clown is a black woman, and the true victim in the series

>I'm curious how you expect them to do a giant space turtle justice.
Top tier CGI

The entire first act rushes through all their introductions, we only see Bev's husband for about 5 seconds before he threatens to beat and rape her. How the fuck is this movie nearly 3 hours long but it still feels like they wasted so much time?

really? Do you have any basis for this type of experience being done well in the past? All you're doing is saying IT WILL BE AWESOME, TRUST ME

Because the book is 46 hours long and neither movie was 23.

I'm listening to the audiobook now. The guy reading does all the silly voices and impressions which is pure cringe. On the plus side he also says nigger and faggot which is based.

Well, my point was, the whole movie turned to shit the instant they decided not to show what It really is.
It's a very hard one to adapt, I don't know that I'd do better, but at least I know I wouldn't have the thing beaten by calling it names.
They fucking knew they'd have reviewers that read the thing, did they?
I'm absolutely puzzled as to what IT has become.
In the book, it's the destroyer of worlds, and it literally gives no fucks about mankind unless it needs to be fed.
Then he takes a liking into children.
And that's all that's happening.
And yeah, this fucker needs to die.

?

>Do you have any basis for this type of experience being done well in the past?
Why is depicting some cosmic turtle entity with CGI supposed to be such a difficult thing. There were constant CGI creatures throughout the movie anyway.

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Enjoy the past.

>The guy reading does all the silly voices and impressions which is pure cringe.
Richie has always been cringe.

>Why is depicting some cosmic turtle entity with CGI supposed to be such a difficult thing.
Doing it justice, like you said, will be difficult. If you just present some giant space turtle people are going to laugh at it just like they laughed at the other dumb cgi shit in the movie.

Richie was good, Ben and Bev's romance subplot was also good. Bill feel pointless in the movie due to not having his wife in Derry

Add to this that Maturin is said to be the creator of the universe. By accident. By vomiting it up and choking on it. So we've got God drowning in their own vomit coming in with divine intervention against an itsy bitsy spider thing. Audiences won't swallow it and will cry fowl at the nonsense on screen for either anti-religious purposes or because the most-well known space turtle in current pop culture is A'Tuin aka the carrier of the Discworld.

The old lady monster moved almost exactly like something from a Soulsborne game. It even had that weird exaggerated grab that's usually a signal to parry in the games.

You know, you need to ask why IT is such a read book to begin with.
With almost 1000 pages, it fucking cancels occasional readers.
I'll put it straight:
This book makes you a ten years old again, just by reading it.
You'll get scared as shit as you should, because you're being manipulated!
I won't rest until this shit is truthfully translated to movies.

Do you realize it's as likely as any of our scenarios?

More like a child's mind is more malleable. Their imagination is stronger, so IT has more to work with. Where as an adults brain and range of thought is more rigid, so IT only affects them in more subtle ways. Like making the hypochondriac's mom crazy or Bev's father an abusive child molester. The bullies were pretty simple minded to begin with so IT just made them more violent, more cruel. All ways It keeps the kids feeling isolated and miserable, effectively easier to
manipulate and eventually snack on. It also works to keep the kids from trying to fight back because they're really the only ones who can hurt IT, insofar as it can be "hurt".

>You'll get scared as shit as you should
Read it in 2004 when I was 14, was scared by it back then. Re-read it in 2017, was apalled by the terrible prose and noticed all of Pennywise's morphs being the "Universal Monsters", which made me imagine them as in the blac and white films. It was terrible.

It's a fucking terrible book. Has some good scenes here and there but it doesn't excuse it's length or any of the dumb shit you have to trudge through to get to the good parts.

Make something heartfelt and sincere that isn't quite what pleb audiences are accustomed to and you will always get some people laughing. Doesn't make it any less kino. Some people would laugh at the 2001 star child ending. Is that supposed to make it bad? Surreal cosmic imagery is always going to get a mixed response because audiences aren't trained how to respond to it. Some will giggle. Some will get goosebumps.

>Henry, Audra, and Tom were misused
>It was too short
>The final battle was underwhelming
Otherwise, I really liked it as much as the first one, maybe a tad more so. Critcs only hate it because of the opening, and Yea Forums hates it because you're a bunch of contrarian shitbags, and normies hate it because they miss the point

I guess, not how I saw it.
What I picture is that a clueless children mind looks much more sexy to IT.
But that's extrapolation. It's all in the book.

Turtles are cute.

Well, I guess you didn't read it as a 12 yo as I did.

>Surreal cosmic imagery is always going to get a mixed response because audiences aren't trained how to respond to it. Some will giggle. Some will get goosebumps.
Yeah, but this is a giant turtle in a shitty universe created by stephen king. The cocaine addict that wrote himself into this universe as the personification of one of the beams, whose breaking of the fourth wall in writing about the ka tet is a way of supporting their journey. And that fictionalized him getting hit by a car several decades ago as some attempted assassination by the forces of evil in his dark tower universe. It's really really fucking dumb.

I was 14. Still, that's hardly any mark of quality if you have to be 12 in order to like it.

King has written plenty of dumb shit but maturin is pure kino and ties the book together.

Also, children's fears are easier. Why try to figure out how to morph into an adult fear like existential anxiety or nuclear war when it's easier to just be a scary monster?
This is touched on in the book. One of the bullies is a sociopath incapable of feeling fear. IT spends some time trying to figure out what to turn into (becoming a faceless humanoid in the meantime) until IT eventually just says "fuck it" and uses something based on the environment -- there's a nearby fridge filled with dead animals the bully killed, so IT turns into a swarm of flying leeches/maggots that bursts out of the corpses and kill the bully.

>children's fears
You know, the only scene it liked in this movie is when he catches the girl with the firefly.
Really shows you how careless kids are.
What scares me the most is that I remember being this careless.

What’s wrong with this kid? He acts like an annoying little spaz in the movie

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I remember never being this careless because I was pretty much raised like Eddie.

It was a massively enlarged prostate of a film

The actor is pretty cringed in real life, it might have leaked into the performance

Well, that's impossible.
Every kid had to fight it off somewhere along the way.

Not showing Maturin was weird because they kept alluding to him and showing turtles in the movies. If you don’t want to use him then why keep putting turtles as some fake set-up?!!! Or did the director want to use him and WB said no?

Do they end up revealing pennywise's true form and kill him in it 2? Don't really feel like watching the whole thing to find out

Then I remember not remembering a time where I wasn't scared of my surroundings trying to kill me courtesy of my mother telling me that there were germs and insects outside that carry terrible diseases like borreliosis or meningitis or even the plague.

They reveal that Pennywise is light but they messed up with the spider form. Royally messed up with the spider form.

Well you give a kiss to our mother from me.
She obviously treasures you.
Asa reminder, that's not what happens most of the time.

Shan't.
I've broken off contact to her as she threw me into the streets at 16 when she became a lesbian and moved away.
You gotta give it to her, being a neurologist sorta gave her authority on the subject. She stopped practicing after allegedly contracting multiple sclerosis from a used needle.

Because Pennywise literally cannot be scary

They should've made Pennywise look like a regular clown and go full on body horror. I hated that all they really did was focus on his goblin shark mouth.

Why are King's books so popular? What makes him so fucking successful?

Babby's first spoop.
Just like J.K. Rowling is babby's first fantasy series.
When reading Rowling, you are indeed trained to read Stephen King.

That scene worked really Well butil the Big cgi witch with googly eyes came

Reminded me of Silent Hill Homecoming

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He can really write characters and the little things of human behaviour. Also taps into free associations, if you grew up with and loved lot of iconic movies, cars, music etc you can relate. He ties together a lot of different aspects so he hits a wide audience.

It's not a fucking terrible book. Your complaint about its length is more legitimate. It's definitely a very dense book, with a lot of details, side stories and some stuff I too would consider filler details. That said, I like the book, read it twice, and there's some great imagination in there. What the movies/series again fail to portray is the atmosphere from the book, although the miniseries got closer to it. Also the reason why the kids are even capable of fighting IT in the first place (connection with the Turtle/Other). They included a variation on the ritual of Chud in the new movie, but it doesn't work well. As weird as it is to some people, adapting the real fight from the book would be a lot better. But I'm part of the camp who likes the ending of the book.

Another thing I don't get is the way the movies and miniseries kept showing the kids and adults being "let go" by IT. In the book, they usually barely escape, IT genuinely tries to kill them, and some of them get injured several times doing so.

He occasionally has some interesting concepts for stories, plus he sometimes has a good grasp of story structure even if his prose and dialogue is godawful. Also he writes a fuck ton, there are dozens and dozens of his books out there and besides the ones where his editor was asleep at the wheel (It, The Stand, Dark Tower VII), they're usually quick and easy reads so the barrier for entry is low.

>Get to the end of the movie after watching the TV Movies
>Wonder how they'll capture the image of a barely comprehensible cosmic horror in spider form
>It's just a regular ass spider but big with a clown face

Who wins this? Guy with a knife or human centipede?

Knife man is the player character, human centipede (before there was a human centipede) is a boss in the middle of the game, so take an educated guess.

Sophia lilliesis a fucking rat face tranny. Get a better waifu you loser. That ginger cunt looks like a boy

Everyone hated the original TV movie spider form of IT cause it lost the clown part

Also because all it did was stare slightly crosseyed and hiss while putting its tiny hand appendages together. Pennywise can at least talk and emote.

He kills his two buddies in the first chapter. Deleted scene but it's canon.

She isn't even a true ginger. Her real hair color is brown.

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no one fucking cares about IT simple as that
who the fuck would watch a creepy clown just act like a freak

But it isn't scary. Not once while reading it did I feel even remotely creeped out. Any scene that's supposed to be scary gets ruined by someone, usually Richie, making a retarded quip.

mom's gonna

too much CGI and derry was not a character

I loved the scene with Bowers floating out of the sewer surrounded by all the dismembered kids corpses.

???? momma momma

but yeah this movie has literally no relevance and not only does it not live up to the old one it wasn't asked for or like even carefully done and i didnt even watch it yet. i can just fucking tell they just bought new cameras and use it as a cash grab.

i hate fear tactics its so gay like we're almost in 2025 and people still love shit like this.

I think a big part of why the 1950's Losers in the book resonate with people is that they're semi-autobiographical. If you read some of King's interviews and the more personal chapters in On Writing, it's pretty clear that a big chunk of the adventures the kids get up to is based on stuff he did with his brother and other kids when they were growing up.

I actually thought so too, he clearly liked the other guy and didn't want him to leave, but only realized why when the bully called him a fag. Funny thing is I think the other kid would have stayed and was a homo himself but panicked when he saw Bowers. poor kid should have just owned it and bullied Eddie into giving him footjobs on the regular

i liked it a lot better than the first movie. the actors were better, the jokes were better, etc.

only bad part is the prolonged "go find a token" sequence.

excuse me watch your fucking tongue that's the most god damn disgusting thing i've ever heard holy fucking hell you disgust me.GOD IM GONNA FUCKING PUKE.

Was Bill always jewish in the original or did they just make him one in this I only remember it being Stan

if I ever heard you say that in person, id smash your god damned teeth in.

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your genetics are a complete fucking waste you walking fungus. due diligence will show no mercy. you stand for absolutely nothing. i hate you with everything in my being. i hope you come track me down so you can start shit.

you will respect what is given to you in privacy you fucking pig or ill cut off your hands and feet and hang them from the trees.

I think the best use of dream logic in film is without a doubt any sort of extradimensional scene in Twin Peaks, be it the black lodge, the convenience store, or especially the purple seascape world in The Return.

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Was it inspired by the Atlanta child killer in part do you think? How no one would take it that seriously. Parts of mind hunter reminded me of IT or a Stephen king vibe

>It'd have to be an independent project not funded/ released by any major production company and in that case they wont have access to the sort of software/technology needed to pull off the effects in a worthwile manner.
All it would take is one rich insane bastard with a good knowledge of filmmaking who ended up booking access to that tech to happen. Weirder shit has gone down in entertainment.
It's not likely, and almost definitely won't happen, but I wouldnt say it would absolutely never happen.

>tfw he tried to but the van that hit him so he could destroy it with a baseball bat
>he couldn't find it
>can't sit for more than 30mins at time due to pain to this day

on the other hand he killed Jake, so fuck him

Most Americans get into his books in middle/highschool

>tfw I read cujo in 4th grade because it was at my school library for some reason