Hard To Be A God

>believing in god

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Yes.

Nah faggot, I just downloaded it.

I think if Marx was alive today he would abandon communism. At least certainly the way it's seen today. His conceptions of the future of humanity were proven wrong. Religion didn't fade under communism, instead it played a role in defeating it.

>I think if Marx was alive today he would abandon communism

who cares. we don't deify people. that's christfag nonsense.

> His conceptions of the future of humanity were proven wrong.

actually a lot of shit has been going exactly as he predicted, just way, way slower.

> Religion didn't fade under communism, instead it played a role in defeating it.

please point to this classless society (USSR doesn't count, had classes)

Russian here. What did you expect? Its a niche art-house black and white movie tarkovsky-style. Only art students loved it on release (and now still). If you want a good movie check How to kill a dragon. Or When the trees were tall.

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>fuck Europe and fuck white people; open borders now!
how does the movie imply that?

>conveniently forgetting the story of abraham and isaac

I want /pol/ to leave.

>all those stories

There was 1 and it was an epic prank, he told him not to at the last second.

What is the point you are trying to make here?

bakunin was based, and he was NOT a marxist.

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I can imagine being an unironic communist, I was in college too once. What I can't imagine is shilling for it on the television and film board of Yea Forums, to the dumbest people in the world, for free

Neither am I, user.

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>we don't deify people

LOL the guy who invented the ideology has been proven wrong countless times, the fact you still adhere to his beliefs is worse

Also, it's not commie propaganda. The whole point of this setting (whole Noon timeline, starting with Predatory things of the century) is that progressors, people of socialistic future can't still solve their own problems and are dying out despite having all this futuristic tech and advanced society. And still they are playing gods to less civiziled places. Just like USSR did by giving out free money to third world shitholes instead of fixing starvation and poor living conditions at home.

socialism: in theory it works, in practice it gets "proven wrong" by a CIA coup.

>no one saw it
it gets discussed on here all the time

>real communism has never been tried
>it's the cia's fault
Deeply embarrassing. If your sociopolitical system can be defeated by the most incompetent agency in the world, it's not very good. Everyone has to deal with foreign meddling.

LOL

>the CIA is responsible for literally EVERY failure of communism, even China

LOL

Religion is the greatest evil of mankind and we can never advance as a species until we discard it.

If your political system cannot survive subversion maybe it wasnt too good to begin with?

>uses communism and socialism interchangeably.

learn to read and have sex.

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Communism, liberalism, socialism, are all ontologically identical.

>if your house can't survive a tornado, maybe it wasn't a good house?

I see you are learned.

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Religion is fucking retarded because it's intellectual placebo.
>why/how/when *huge existential question of any kind*?
>lol who the fuck cares bro, God did it, and if you disagree I'll fucking kill you XD

satan confirmed for seething discord tranny faggot

Christlet

>he still thinks there's a difference

LOLOLOL laughing because i can't even count how many successful socialist nations there are

OH WAIT

LOL

Nice meme, but what i said is still 100% true

You're a dumb nigger.

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you literally used 4 entire words that you don't know the definition of.

lol at juxtaposing leftism with atheism and science when they are literally exact opposites

Leftism is the religion of the economic realm, its just a bunch of non scientific, non-evidence based ideas based on feelings. Scientifically measured economic data overwhelmingly supports capitalism

You are welcome to disprove my statement but snarky replies do not accomplish that

dude look at me im ripping off falstaff and andrei rublev am i tarkovsky and welles yet

The message of the film is about the futility and hardship of trying to raise up the untermensch/ less civilized. The main character struggles with these ideas and often feels that these people need to either fix their own fucking problems or just be outright ruled by a more advanced class.

It's also an allegory for religion and purpose. Maybe god has no presence in our lives because it's too taxing of an ordeal

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The existence of a god and it's capacities is a centrifugal subject in many significant advancements in philosophy.

Liberal capitalism survived soviet subversion pretty well

I feel like this is pretty self explanatory based on the title alone

*ahem*
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTOOTOOT

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socialism is worker control of the means of production

communism is classless society

liberalism is an ideology that seeks to maximimze personal individual freedom by putting everyone on "equal footing" and having them compete for class privilege in a "free" market.

These are just 3 completely different words. It'd be like if you used "cat" "dog" and "fish" interchangeably.

I want jews and fedoras to fucking leave and take a long walk of a short pier

except like 70 years of light winds would be a better analogy

And ontologically they all have the exact same basis. Just different means to that end

>jews and fedoras

the union of this set is identical to the set of all white people.

white genocide gang rise up.

>socialism is worker control of the means of production
and by workers you mean bureaucrats and the government

and no, communism and socialism are intrinsically linked even moreso than capitalism and liberalism

Yeah my made up world works in theory too, everyone is your mom and they're all sucking my balls all the time. My ball sucking world is literally perfect its just never been done properly

ontology is philosophy concerned with what it means to "be" or exist, what the fuck does that have to do with means and ends?

Also?? No??

what is this "basis" you're referring to? What?

how are liberalism and communism remotely compatible?

Let me guess, you also think "post modernism" is also "part of the same oNtOlOgY"

Are you trying to be a parody of a libertarian pseudo-intellectual?

This thread deserves to be pruned

Libertarians as well have the same basis
>what is this basis
>what is liberation
Youre a pleb my friend

no. worker co-ops are socialist. anarcho-syndicalism is socialist.

Government does not necessarily have anything to do with it. Except of course that if the government doesn't approve (because it's controlled by capitalists), it won't happen.

>please point to this classless society (USSR doesn't count, had classes)
Here is an example of your lack of self awareness. You use non-scientific logic by turning Marxism into something non-falsifiable. Marxism is your religion.
"Niech zstąpi Duch Twój. Niech zstąpi Duch Twój i odnowi oblicze ziemi. Tej ziemi."
I think anyone knowledgeable of communism will be familiar with these words. You can continue to underestimate and talk about religion like an adolescent rebel, but you will never win. The communists did everything they could to try and stomp out every connection to the old orders, but they failed. Their attempts to persecute only drove people into the arms of God, because evil will never triumph over good.

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Marxism and communism, once again, are different words with different meanings.

>You can continue to underestimate and talk about religion like an adolescent rebel, but you will never win
Cute.

libertarian and classical liberal are the same thing

I was trying to explain to the retard OP the premise, so he might come to see that the views of the film align more with his alt right dogmatism than he might want to believe

ok, but thats just not how the term is used
No one considers a socialist polity to be one where some of the businesses are employee owned

The one where God stopped the sacrifice? Nothing convenient about that, childkiller.

Ontologically they are all identical

>Government does not necessarily have anything to do with it. Except of course that if the government doesn't approve (because it's controlled by capitalists), it won't happen.
You realize that our capitalist governments do allow places to be owned as co-ops, right?

>Being such a lazy NEET that most of your children starve to death, and the ones who don't kill themselves

Did anyone get BTFO as hard as Marx? There's something pleasurable about imagining him slamming his hands into his own head in impotent rage as his disgusting rat-faced kike spawn gasped their final little breaths.

I guess he was living praxis after all--his brats starved to death, he never held a real job, and he died a failure, in agony. A good Communist.

>Ontologically they are all identical
No, liberalism or libertarianism as it is now known has its goal in equality while leftism has its goal in equity

I think for a whole economy to be "socialist" it would have to be all or at least a great majority of the production being controlled by their workers.

> ok, but thats just not how the term is used

because it's a word that people redefine constantly either as a sp00ky boogyman or as trick because it sounds nice. The cold war propaganda from the west made it out to be satanic and loaded the word with negative moral meaning and associations with starvation and breadlines (as if nobody starves under global capitalism)

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>doesnt know what words mean
Why do you people even try to argue against something that is objectively true. All modern movements raison detre is liberation.

You are welcome to prove me wrong, but like everyone else confronted with this uncomfortable truth you just meme and play the fool

>it would have to be all or at least a great majority of the production being controlled by their workers
but do like the workers of each factory own that one factory? How do people join one, is it a hereditary thing? Sounds almost feudal

Or do the workers collectively own all of the factories? Because thats a government right there

co-ops are systematically discriminated against by our legal and banking systems. That's why it's easier to start one in most European countries, for instance.

part of the problem is that co-ops usually have a mission statement like "we'll make a good product at an affordable price and treat our workers well" and most corporations have a mission statement like "we will drain the ocean to find and kill god" and banks are much more excited by the demonic ambition of UNLIMITED PROFIT that every corporation hopes to achieve.

The facts say, co-op are more stable and have happier workers than corporations. But banks don't care about either of those things. They want motherfuckers who are gonna drain the ocean to find and kill god.

>(as if nobody starves under global capitalism)
Global capitalism has done more to lift the world out of poverty and hunger than any other invention man has yet created.

Before capitalism, and under more modern leftist regimes people just fucking starve to death all over after a bad harvest. The world has never seen a more fed era than the capitalist one which has allowed population numbers to boom while also giving these people an unprecedented quality of life

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If every other house around you could, it starts to make you wonder whats wrong with yours

I am aware, I didn't say anything which would indicate otherwise.
You're far too arrogant. Have some perspective. In a time when religion was repressed by force, more than thirteen million Poles greeted John Paul II in 1979.

um, no feudal peasants did not elect worker councils or have unions, lol.

>triggered alt-right retards ITT

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yeah, none of this is true

all the "poverty lifting" is people recovering from liberal colonialism. It's capitalism cleaning up its own mess (while still profiting and exploiting)

the banks don't fucking decide if your business model is viable, the market does. Maybe "workers" just fucking suck at running things, thats why they can't compete with corporations with real leadership and actual educated people running things

The first Christian emperors destroyed more ancient works than those monks could ever copy, but I like how that post focus on the viking raids 700 years after Christianity was legalized in the Roman empire.

what does a socialist factory need a union for, to protect the workers from the workers?

I have an in depth analysis for anyone who's interested. Light spoilers

>Maybe "workers" just fucking suck at running things, thats why they can't compete with corporations

they can and do. co-ops are more stable and have happier workers.

what they don't have is unlimited, robotic thirst for profit at all costs.

it's almost like... it's almost like markets should only be used to determine prices of luxury goods, and shouldn't direct economic activity OR be used for anything with inelastic demand.

hmmmm

That's pretty interesting user, but I don't see how it relates to what I posted. It appears to me that you're more interested in defending your religion from a perceived attack than elucidating a possible flaw in Bakunin's quote.

This is a really fucking bad and wildly incorrect take and you should feel bad for telling it to people

The natural state of life everywhere was fucking terrible before capitalism and science came around
>is people recovering from liberal colonialism
again, I just want to point out how all of these people had terrible fucking lives before colonialism boogeyman and capitalism came around. Colonialism wasn't great but it sure as fuck wasn't the cause of pre-capitalist societies being poor and starving all the time

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What "alt right" stances do you disagree with?

>The natural state of life everywhere was fucking terrible before capitalism

wrong. stop eating this Pinker shit. Human nature is not "inherent misery unless you have a boss and a landlord"

Maybe some intelligible english subs for it were finally made. I watched it a year or two ago, don't remember exactly, and fruitlessly spent hours trying to find some fucking subs that weren't completely broken english.

>they can and do. co-ops are more stable and have happier workers.
Ok, but to compete you need people to want to pay you to do something, not just have happy employees, we need to do what is good for the people as a whole including most importantly the consumer, not just the workers at a specific factory. Worrying about the consumption end is how capitalism has raised quality of life to unprecedentedly high levels across the world, giving people access to things they want makes everyone's life better overall even if they have to work a little harder when at their job, and encourages and subsidizes the innovation and science responsible for the modern world

If I worked at a place where I had no expectations and could just fuck around I would be happy, but thats not how you run a business if you want it to be successful

>it's almost like... it's almost like markets should only be used to determine prices of luxury goods, and shouldn't direct economic activity OR be used for anything with inelastic demand.
Says literally no modern economist

Yes, monks saved theological and philosophical texts. But that was justified in the preservation of various textual interpretations of the established truth of Christianity. Classical materialists such as Epicurus and Lucretius were banned by the church. When the scientific revolution occurred, it challenged the theological idea of knowledge as interpretation of divinely given truths. In Bacon's Advancement of Learning, he argued that science is distinct from theology as it advances knowledge though the scientific method.

The church attacked scientists that advanced knowledge beyond the "given truths" of the church. Facts that came into conflict with church doctrine were denied, books censored, etc. The Church in this period even banned people like Raymond Sebond who was DEFENDING the church against atheism for "muh heresy".

So while the monks in the dark ages did preserve classical literature.. the church also burned, censored, and banned books from the classical period that we would describe as proto-scientific/ proto-enlightenment. Then once the scientific revolution occurred the church started ex-communicating scientists and banning the books.... Even in the 19th century the church's anti-science influence was strong. Darwin's Origin of Species was banned in Cambridge university from the influence of the church, and his books were banned nationally.

The church has always, repeat, ALWAYS been a force of reaction and stagnation. As the essence of theological knowledge is the interpretation of divine "truth" rather than the advancement of knowledge through scepticism, statistics, and the scientific method.

I'm so sick of /pol/tards.

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Actually, the absolute state of almost everywhere is hell on earth (except in places that are mostly White or East Asian). This is the real truth. Nothing else matters but explaining and spreading the truth about race and IQ.

Dude just like study history a little fucking bit. Everyone lived absolutely terrible lives before the enlightenment. Even the nobility lived lives worse than random ass lower middle class Americans today.

Hope you like watching your wife die in childbirth (also no birth control) while you go off to die in some violent conflict because thats what the pre-capitalist world was like

The advancement of health and so on are a consequence of the industrialism caused by capital accumulation under capitalism... it's the technology that causes that, not capitalism. China and Russia under socialism lifted millions out of poverty, doubled living standards, and made them some of the most literate countries in the world where once they had been backwaters...

USSR, in only a few decades, went from the most backward nation in Europe to putting the first man in space.

It's technology... The counterfactual is there... if these countries were socialist, they could direct the technology in a way that benefits the people rather than profit.

everything correlates to how well and how early and consistently people embraced capitalism

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I gave you an example of when people risked everything for their religion. When people risk their lives for it, how can you say it's only something people use to bring comfort? How can you say it's only meant to be used to imagine freedom when people are willing to put themselves in jail for it? Describing religion as like a tavern is just completely absurd. As I said, it's incendiary adolescent rhetoric. It's a ludicrous statement made deceitfully with the intention only to destroy, and that is why it's evil.

capitalism leads to technological advancement, very directly
>USSR, in only a few decades, went from the most backward nation in Europe to putting the first man in space.
By literally kidnapping German scientists and having them do the work while the Russian people starved. This is hardly an example of leftism helping the people

>1 story in a book that you think is all made up bullshit
Wow what convincing evidence you have there.
Communists and their peons, are the scum of the Earth. They are nothing more than a grab bag of the most evil, worthless, savage, animal people you can imagine. They behave the same way every time they get out from under the boot of decent men. They murder, rape, and destroy until there is nothing left to destroy. Anyone proclaiming to be a communist should be immediately dropped from a helicopter.

This is like Medieval blackface. The Middle Ages were actually pretty clean and friendly. :)

>Everyone lived absolutely terrible lives before the enlightenment

Saying capitalism is better than feudalism is not a defense of capitalism.

>if these countries were socialist, they could direct the technology in a way that benefits the people rather than profit
The why didn't this happen literally ever? Almost all medical advancement globally comes from the US, the people with the capitalist health care system. They are subsidizing the entire rest of the world when it comes to medicine

The rest of the world better really fucking hope the US never abandons the current system unless you want to see utter stagnation in the medical field

>By literally kidnapping German scientists and having them do the work
NASA?

Capitalism is better than literally everything else we have tried

The evidence speaks for itself. Perhaps there is a system better than capitalism, but we sure as fuck haven't found it yet

>The why didn't this happen literally ever?
Because the US will embargo/invade/depose any country that tries. It's called imperialism, dude...

Why didnt capitalism happen before 1700?

Actually NASA shunned Von Braun, who if given more of their resources and respect would have put the US ahead in the space race earlier, but they thought having the advancement come from a Nazi was bad PR

Unlike with leftism where they people just know what the workers government councils want them to know so they don't even have to think about that

We haven't tried anything else yet

Capitalism is a leftist movement too.

>Soviets setting up puppet state in your backyard
>Go stop them so you don't become surrounded by enemies
Oh my god the U.S. are such evil imperialists!

ITT: Fully indoctrinated college babies

Imagine being this unaware, truly shocking.

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Based and victimcomplexpilled

how is the US so powerful and its people so wildly, unprecedentedly affluent if capitalism is bad?

This is some real bullshit circular logic by you. If your workers were as good as running shit as you say they wouldn't need to trade with the US, they would be self sufficient.

Turns out global trade, something basically created by capitalism is extremely beneficial to people, workers and bourgeoisie alike.

Also remember that the US has been so successful with capitalism that only like 20% of us would qualify as the "workers", most of us have risen well above that status, so that would mean the gulags for all us college educated folks under a worker owned system

Capitalism was a leftist movement, but then the left kept moving, so thats more than a bit misleading.

What are known as leftists today betrayed their liberal brethren after the influence of Marx

It's not absurd at all. Religion has a very similar effect as addictive and numbing substances. Are you really trying to tell me people don't put themselves at risk for their vices? That situation you brought up is equivalent to people drinking during the prohibition in the US. They need religion to endure reality and feel any comfort in their lives as the drunkard needs his alcohol. And like a drunkard, you feel attacked when anyone says something remotely negative about your addiction.

There was an actual person who drowned her kids because God told her so.

This is easily found try harder next time

religion held it back

take your meds schizo

You tell those gentiles, fellow chosen

>1 living in a democracy
This made me lol

>its the banking system's fault our business is failing, not the fact that uneducated workers are good at running businesses and we have no customers as a result

But yeah, definitely those jew banks holding us back

There are schizos all over the place, you can't blame religion for that. The guy that shot Reagan thought it would get him a blowie from Jodie Foster.

>yfw all this shit is still happening today just not under the name of religion
Yes! It's religions fault goyim! Nothing to do with the struggle for power! It's all about religion!

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co-ops don't fail to thrive in the market. They fail to monopoloize. They fail to exploit. They fail to destroy the environment. They fail to acquire and grow to a massive, unwieldy size.

Basically, they fail to do things that corporations should not be allowed to do anyway. Things investors LOVE.

But religion gives schizos a socially accepted pretext to be schizos.

I did too yesterday off PB. I forget why I did it. Do you remember what motivated your download?

All of Christianity is based off the schizophrenic ramblings of syphilitic sheepherders in the middle of nowhere. I've got all the right to be critical

Do you need me to read your own quote back to you? "People go to church for the same reasons they go to a tavern: to stupefy themselves, to forget their misery, to imagine themselves, for a few minutes anyway, free and happy."
Except they deliberately make their lives full of more misery, less happiness, and less freedom in order to reestablish religion after it has been taken away from them. What you typed in your reply is outside the scope of your quote. You're doing what they call moving goal posts. I think you know that. But regardless, I'll address it anyways.

youtube.com/watch?v=MNYt_FFxePk

Look at the age of people in the crowd at the end. This was 1979, fourty years after their repression began. Most of the people there weren't even alive to grow up in a Catholic nation. They grew up under state enforced atheism. How can you say they are addicts returning to their drug, when by your logic they grew up in a drug free environment?

You realize your post is about as logical and sound as “we banned murder so now there’s no murder.”

Actually, it's based off ancient hippies ramblings about peace and love and analogies of moral concepts. Then it got marketed and used for power and control.
>Religions, how do they work?
At its core, it still teaches incredibly humane and just values.

>Maybe "workers" just fucking suck at running things, thats why they can't compete with corporations
This is unfair. Big corporations do all sorts of underhanded things to kill competition and they get away with it because they are obviously paying people off under the table. Most government regulations are put in place to kill competition for big corporations. For example, if you want to start a small business selling food, you are going to have to get all kinds of expensive testing and certifications. Most people can't even afford to get started. It goes on and on with these people.

This is just speculation, but take the homeless crisis in places like Seattle and San Francisco. How much do you want to bet that some big corporation or other elite groups of businessmen are behind the whole thing? They pay off the politicians who introduce these laws that act like a powerful homeless attractant. They tie the police departments hands, and watch as these junkie tear apart the city. What do you think that does to the value of real-estate? Just you watch some big shot or big corp will buy up all the real-estate at rock bottom prices and the laws will suddenly go back to normal. This is the kind of shit they do.

Shit, boring, over-reactionary thread, but at least you reminded me of youtube.com/watch?v=igxDzfJ2MPo

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>Except they deliberately make their lives full of more misery, less happiness, and less freedom in order to reestablish religion after it has been taken away from them
Because they're addicted, user. A junkie will go through hell just for his daily fix, and so will the martyr.
>You're doing what they call moving goal posts
The goal posts are exactly where they started, but you want to play a different game here.
>How can you say they are addicts returning to their drug, when by your logic they grew up in a drug free environment?
That's pretty obvious, isn't it? Unless they were raised by communists, in which case they'd have no reason to be there in the first place, their parents must have passed (i.e. indoctrinated) their religion (addiction) to them, in spite of external repression.

> tarkovsky-style
except for language spoken, this had nothing "tarkovsky-style" in it

Real estate Prices in SF are at the highest they’ve ever been and continue to climb. If anything, you should be arguing that SFs limitations on building new housing are a plot to increase property value.

what evidence is there to support that god actually exists, other than "i can't understand the universe so i'll say an invisible man did it"?

This is a /polddit/ thread, fuck off

Very cool movie though

Ontological arguments are the best support you have. They usually say that something must necessarily exist and that we shall call that thing God because why not lmao.
Therefore dead kike on a stick.

I hear there's a lot that's lost in translation in this movie can someone confirm?

I don't like watching foreign Art-house movies that use languages I don't know extensively to convey certain things, I feel like I'm always missing a part of the vision.

Well I don't know much about the specific situation in SF. I do know that there is no way a homeless camp next to your house is going to be good for your property value.

I watched it 3 years ago, had no problems with subs.

Finally a thread for a good film on here and it’s full of political faggotry. Fuck you faggots you deserve to be raped with cape shit forever.

>Because they're addicted
This is you moving the goal post. No longer is religion about comfort, but it's an addiction which people are willing to go through discomfort to reinstate. You can only make this statement if you a priori consider religion an addiction, which is circular logic. You do this again:
>That's pretty obvious, isn't it? Unless they were raised by communists, in which case they'd have no reason to be there in the first place, their parents must have passed (i.e. indoctrinated) their religion (addiction) to them, in spite of external repression.
This is an unscientific non-falsifiable position. "Clearly, they're addicted. If they weren't addicted, then they wouldn't be religious, therefore, religion is an addiction."

Thanks for the chat, but I'm going to sleep. You can probably guess my country, and therefore that it's 2am.

There are community subs if thats your autism

>a good film
If you're got to compare a movie to capeshit for it to be good then its not good.

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I can guarantee you 90% of the posters here haven't seen it, to even believe it's against faith or pro-science to begin with

>No longer is religion about comfort, but it's an addiction which people are willing to go through discomfort to reinstate
You're playing dumb but that's okay. They're willing to go through physical pain to reinstate the psychological comfort that religion not only provides them but also demands of them, just like any other addiction. Not doing so would cause even more pain because it'd tear apart their whole worldview.
>This is an unscientific non-falsifiable position
It's more like a syllogistic position based on clear-cut definitions and then observable facts. "Socrates is a man, all men are mortal, therefore Socrates is mortal."
>Thanks for the chat, but I'm going to sleep. You can probably guess my country, and therefore that it's 2am.
Bad time to pick a discussion you had no good arguments for, user.

>In Bacon's Advancement of Learning, he argued that science is distinct from theology as it advances knowledge though the scientific method.
>As the essence of theological knowledge is the interpretation of divine "truth" rather than the advancement of knowledge through scepticism, statistics, and the scientific method.
This is your brain on r/science.

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>Communists kill their own children
That's not Abraham

>co-ops don't fail to thrive in the market
then why aren't there more of them in the market?

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>They're willing to go through physical pain to reinstate the psychological comfort that religion not only provides them but also demands of them, just like any other addiction
So by that logic literally everything is a product of brainwashing?

Are you willing to risk imprisonment, torture, or death for your favorite hobby?

How many million died in all those other famines combined again?

I don't know. Maybe?

Couple hundred million

Then it's an addiction not a hobby.

You can be addicted to a hobby. What does that have to do with anything?

>You can be addicted to a hobby
At which point it ceases to be just a pastime and becomes an addiction.
>What does that have to do with anything?
You asked me if everything is a product of brainwash by that logic. I'm showing you the difference between conditioned and unconditioned behavior.

>At which point it ceases to be just a pastime and becomes an addiction.
How can it not be simultaneous? A hobby isn't defined by its nonaddictiveness.

But it is defined as a leisurely activity. If you're going out of your way to do it, to the point of risking your own well-being, then it's an addiction.

This

>But it is defined as a leisurely activity
That's my point. You can still have a habit of engaging in risky behavior at your leisure. You're thinking of a vice.

>You can still have a habit of engaging in risky behavior at your leisure
You can, but in that case it's not conditioned behavior, which is what we're discussing.

You really don’t want to get into the distinction between sin and vice.

I agree.

But thats never going to happen until we purge all the low iq retards that more than likly follow this gay shit (heres a hint its mostly brown people!)

But you and yours are too bitch to face that possibility. Got to be another way, right?

I don't think IQ is the problem

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I dont care i just wish we got rid of ethnics and used the excess resorces to colonize space.

Fuck it have space theoracies for all i care as long as we can escape this dying rock.

>worshipping science

redditors have truly taken over

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it's almost as if IQ isn't a very useful measurement as it correlates with too many other controllable variables... It's almost like "intelligence" is not any more scientific than "wisdom" or "charisma" and we're all overly obsessed with it as a proxy for "value as a human"

>it's almost if
kys for that twice in one post, but IQ predicts for many life outcomes, which you'd know if you knew even the smallest amount about the subject

There’s an underlying idea where the smarter people are, the less they adhere to the concepts pushed by the religion, and are only “practicing” for the side benefits.

Religiosity in high IQ people often manifests itself as obscure and unorthodox beliefs. Newton and his obsession with alchemy is a classic example.

I don't think you know what centrifugal means

How in God's name could somebody watch this and think it was pro-science/anti-white/open borders? You have to be truly autistic or a brainwashed closeted faggot to think that.

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newton is a fun case. as at the time a prime mover was the only logical explanation for the irrationality of the universe. so lacking a better comprehensive explanation, a scientific mind would have no choice but to default to the established explanation.

So I guess I'm just a bug dumbass but how so you get any of that from the film?

I'm genuinely feeling stupid as hell.

uh, well, the initial scrawl kinda establishes it's an earth where the enlightenment not only didn't happen, but an opposite movement dominated the culture.

Remember when Paris is as proto-socialist for a bit
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