Would a DC Cinematic Universe have worked better if it was based off of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy? I mean the reason MCU worked so well is that it had a solid base (Iron Man 1). A lot of the shit after, despite being near-trash like some of the Thor movies still kept being watched simply because Iron Man was driving the whole show. If DC had done the same thing with Bale's Batman, I think they could've succeeded.
Would a DC Cinematic Universe have worked better if it was based off of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy...
Gabriel Sanders
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David Jones
Nolan's Batman was grounded and really wasn't capable of keeping up with meta-humans. He could barely keep up with regular humans. That isn't a solid foundation for a cinematic universe with other DC superheroes. They would make him look stupid unless the rest of the universe were similarly grounded.
Kevin James
Keep in mind Snyder would still have directed Man of Steel, so you would've needed Nolan to save the entire franchise with BvS.
Obviously, the real problem was they should've made an "anything can happen" universe of DCEU where all the superheros were gritty and could be considered morally ambiguous and done all the Justice League solos in a row.
TLDR I don't think it would've changed the DCEU that much the studio just fucked up by not making more movies to support JL.
Kevin Price
>Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy
No
>Batman Begins
Yes
Once TDK came out and they committed to the ultra-grounded take, it became more and more unlikely that it could fit in with another series of films. Would be too tonally jarring.
Begins has not only a unique atmosphere among the three, but it's also a distinct feeling movie that could forseeably connect with other DC franchises as well as lead in to weirder, more fantasy driven Batman movies. Stack it side by side with Superman Returns (even if you don't like the movie, just the aesthetic) which came out only one year later and you can't tell me they don't feel as though they could match up.
Mason Reed
Batman is the only good DC hero so it was doomed from the beginning.
Jason Flores
TDKR was literally going full sci-fi on a lot of aspects, not hard to imagine Bale's Batman putting on the armored suit Batfleck had.
They didn't make a standalone Batfleck film, I think having Nolan's Batman, Snyder's Man of Steel, Wonder Woman and Aquaman would've been a good start to the DCEU.
Dylan Myers
No, Snyder would have ruined it and we would be in the same place we are now.
Aaron Kelly
No.
>Nolan films: shitty nonsensical garbage
>DCEU: made more money that mcu at the same point in its chronology and won an oscar while garnering respect from people who actually watch movies
Jose Thompson
So was Iron Man though.
Aaron Cooper
>you would've needed Nolan to save the entire franchise with BvS
Nolan can't direct for shit and his choreography is horrible. His strengths are his films' music and cinematography. BvS already looked incredible and had a fucking fantastic soundtrack. So Nolan's film would've been worse in every metric
Liam Clark
DC should focus on these 'grounded' characters. Not space shit like Superman. It could be more 'realistic' approach in James Bond style, while MCU had silly and fantastic approach. We would have two different alternatives for different tastes. DC shat the bed introducing same space/magic shit so now there's two of the same just with different logos.
Jackson Torres
They did try this, with Superman being produced by Nolan. I remember it fooled me and got me in the theater. The wheels just fell off very quickly.
Lincoln Perez
haHA!
Luke Sanders
Tone down the butthurt, Snyderdrone
Camden Williams
lmao
Samuel Morris
>nolan fags
Colton Powell
I just want a Martian Manhunter movie.
John Gutierrez
probably better but still not good
Colton Flores
It would've been super hard to work out the power levels. A big part of the success of Nolan's films was that they took the 'super' part out of the mix. The villains are a psychiatrist, a bank robber, and a mercenary, and these totally work because that's the type of criminal a rich detective could fight. In MoS the villain is an alien supersoldier and their final fight levels half the city, and this the type of villain supes has to fight because he has the strength and powers of a god.
With Batman you can character-driven crime stories, but with all the other major DC heroes you quickly get into the realm of big bad aliens and doomsday scenarios with reality-bending fights to match.
Luis Anderson
It would have been for the best. No fucking way the batman/superman team up movie would have heen half as retarded as it was, if they had gotten Christian Bale batman back. It would have been conceived of and written completely differently, for the better.
Nathan Young
Man of steel was pretty compatible with nolan batman
Jaxon Taylor
Nolan is somewhat guilty of man of steel
Zachary James
he was against that snydershit
Ryan Barnes
You could still move it towards a more grounded area, don't introduce big alien invasions, still get Krypton, Superman etc in there. DC has always been more grounded in comparison to Marvel anyway, I mean DC has nothing like Galactus or Thanos. TDKR was pretty much veering into pseudo-sci-fi with its technology, so they can just make use of that to give Batman an edge.
Noah Price
>No fucking way the batman/superman team up movie would have heen half as retarded as it was,
This
Jason Morales
they couldn't do anything with nolan's trilogy after TDKR. As that's why they avoided doing literally anything with batman for so long.
Oliver Walker
Why not? Everyone thinks Batman's dead. There's references to Wayne Enterprises in Man of Steel, but not much else. Everyone thinks Bruce Wayne is dead after the events of TDKR, but we know he's not. Then you get Batman vs Superman, where suddenly
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Lucas Powell
I thought the premise was a completely different DCEU built on the nolanverse, not that MoS/BvS shit
Cooper Williams
Its just an example, Batman would appear outta nowhere just like he did in TDKR and TDK before it for the movie after Man of Steel that would include him.
Landon Kelly
When you base your cinematic universe on the viewpoint of a man who's clearly embarrassed by the characters and resentful of their fundamental nature, you're likely to see a result that's joyless and boring.
Connor Clark
understanding basic storytelling could help too
Gabriel Roberts
What are you talking about? The DCEU has been joyless and boring as it is.
Bentley Murphy
I believe he's talking about Snyder's failure
Noah Reyes
Am I the only one that wanted HOTHEAD to come back for a Robin sequel? I honestly thought that was the moment to do it, Batman retires, leaves his tech to a younger, hungrier upstart who uses the files to Assemble a League.
Cameron Smith
Man of Steel was... salvageable, just put Nolan at the helm afterwards and I think you can get a good DCEU based upon the Nolan Batman trilogy.
Benjamin Jenkins
They literally set up a Robin/Nightwing with JGL, they just didnt follow through because they were disorganized.
Chase Jackson
>Why not?
because the movie was fucking awful and sucked up all the good will anyone had for the franchise
Jordan Brooks
barely.
Jonathan Butler
I don't like the decision to make Superman kill Zod.
They didn't set up Superman hating to kill people. They should've made him go out of his way to not kill people for the first two movies in a trilogy, and in the third be forced to give up his moral code to kill someone and save more lives. Doing it in the first movie is just rushing it. It shouldn't be a first movie thing, it should be something that he is shown numerous times to not do.
Brandon Perry
You can still have Batman come out of retirement anyway. You can even delay it for a bit, let Bale get himself into that role, have a few post-credit scenes of him sipping some coffee in Italy, reading a newspaper.
Cringe, you've been taking in too much of the Baneposting memes. TDKR was mediocre and generally a let-down compared to its predecessor, but it was still better than a lot of the MCU and pretty much all of the DCEU.
Joseph Collins
Yes. And in fact when Man of Steel was announced that's exactly what people thought it was. Nolanverse Superman. DC is retarded.
Cameron Bell
Don't forget how they absolutely butcher Lex Luthor in BvS. Complete fucking miscast.
Jace King
Its amazing how much of a blunder they turned the DCEU into. If they used the Nolanverse, they literally had a headstart on Marvel, yet they decided to make yet another new Batman.
Nathaniel Edwards
>pretty much all of the DCEU.
the lowest bar ever
Jace Diaz
Maybe it's not a popular opinion, but I also fucking hate WW's casting.
Eisenberg tier of bullshit
Aaron Watson
The film was awful. But critics were too blind and fanboy-ish to realise
Henry Gonzalez
Are you talking about BvS?
Because critics destroyed it to death. Audience murdered it. Fans loathed it.
Only few spergs were too blind and fanboy-ish to realise. Those faggots are still around, hating the world because nobody cares about that fucking failure of a movie
Carson Adams
Is Momoa as Aquaman something you're fine with?
I thought the whole race thing would be a factor but Momoa has a ton of attractiveness and charisma that puts it down.
John Foster
It can be excused as him learning. Iron Man was just fighting Iraqis at start.
Although killing off major villains when Batman is pretty much villain central, it's like killing Loki when they killed Joker.
Aaron Ortiz
Practical effects shot on film and Hanz Zimmer vs cgi mess and generic action film music
Luke Williams
Nope. His acting abilities are on par with Gadot (zero), but at least he is buff. He is attractive I guess, but I don't find him that charismatic.
Only time I liked him was in Stargate Atlantis.
I would prefer someone with the classic Aquaman look. He's more AquaLobo
I dislike most of the main DCEU casting. Cavill I Iiked, Afflek was ok but too out of shape (and too famous imo).
Ethan Diaz
>when they killed Joker.
that wasn't exactly their fault....
Carson Sullivan
Ray Fisher and Ezra Miller ok for you too? I thought Ezra looked a little odd for the Flash.
Lucas Lewis
>1 was ok, 2 was great, 3 was shit
No.
Carter Phillips
Ray fisher can't say for sure. He was a maformed tin can with a floating half-face in that movie.
Ezra is a big no for me. He doesn't look like the Flash at all, whatever Flash, not even Flash Gordon
Especially Flash Gordon
Wyatt Turner
3rd one still left a fuckton of goodwill, tho. No series haszero bad entries
Jose King
No, I was talking about TDKR. BvS is kino
Owen Powell
>shot on film
Oh great, another hipster pseud who has no idea what he's talking about. Shut the fuck up and piss off
Isaac Sanders
Then you are an imbecile. BvS is shit.
Samuel Jones
800% Cringe
Nolan Watson
Nah, Nolan's verse was too grounded.
Really, starting from Green Lantern or MoS wasn't a bad idea in the least from a conceptual standpoint, they just fucked up both movies irreparably.
William Cox
William Taylor
>If you aren't a Snyderdrone, you are a Marveltoddler
Butthurt much?
Parker Price
>Nolan's verse was too grounded
The film where a roid monkey successfully heisted the NY stock exchange with some motorbikes and then blew up the bridges and enforced a police state that was overthrown by cops without guns is too grounded?
Colton Parker
Nolanfags are as despicable as marvelshits
Gabriel Diaz
Yup. Because the DC universe has traditionally been much, much fucking crazier. That's nothing, seriously.
Joshua Lee
lmao wtf
Blake Murphy
noteven a Nolanfag. I just don't like incompetent shit like BvS (like the rest of the world)
Christian Perry
>incompetent shit like BvS
but that's an oxymoron user
Juan Green
Wrong
Daniel Foster
no he wasn't, he was an exec producer and even said Snyder was the man for the job to do this connected universe.
Everyone here spouting Nolan can handle this scale.
Even he would admit that he coudln't, beacause there are autistic levels of continuity that have to be followed, also Nolan doesn't exactly flourish in action choreography, and the dude hates working with cgi, when this genre would heavily rely on it.
Even if they got him on board, it wouldn't be a passion project, and it would show.
Also Nolan wouldn't be able to replace Ledger's Joker, out of both respect and he wouldn't be able to look for a different take.
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