Now that the dust has settled, how big of an impact did the Plinkett reviews have on Star Wars as a whole?

i feel so fucking bad for George. He's an intelligent and creative guy, frankly a beautiful mind, who, like every nerd, has been bullied by, and out of, the mainstream. His brainchild is now "mainstream culture" and it's being raped to shreds.

I fucking hate this timeline.

The reviews were basically the culmination of the fan backlash

Yeah, I feel bad for him too. The way people talked about him during the fanatical hate of the prequels you'd think he'd personally killed their mothers and defiled their corpses in front of them while simultaneously kicking a litter of kittens. It's fine to not like the prequels, but the way they treated the man himself was vile.

I honestly thought that Disney was going to treat the prequels as "technically canon but we're going to acknowledge them as little as possible."

Solo bringing back Maul was pretty decisive proof that that wasn't happening.

Almost none you retarded zoomer. I was making fun of Phantom Menace in 1999 when I was 10 years old and so was everyone else. Real fans have hated each and every prequel from the beginning.

TPM was the best one. Worst thing you can do is listen to teenage spergs who just want things ever darker and darker, when you're making a family adventure movie.

This is some high quality delusion and autism

I bet he wipes his gigantic ass with hundred dollar bills

Apologise to George.

I don't hate George but he's a fucking shitty director. He himself cannot emote so he has no ability to convey to an actor how he wants them to perform. If you just filmed George reading his own script out loud it would have exactly as much passion as the final version.

Surprisingly level-headed and correct statements ITT. Probably bc the prequel apologists have not yet arrived.

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How does it feel to have ruined Star Wars?

not as much as people born post 2001 think.

People didn't like the prequels when the came out, especially after that first week of Phantom Menace when no one could accept it. Star Wars was already in the toilet.

It just died after Episode 3, and people forgot about the franchise for awhile, so when Plinkett comes out essentially reviving the prequel hate, it took off.

Kids think he's responsible for it, but really, it's just because they were too young to remember the original outrage. GO DIGITAL! CGI RULES!

If JJ has watched them then yeah they were influential. They're a go-to in terms of confirmation bias for prequel critics.

faster louder more intense

I knew one guy who took special exception to the prequels, and he was a "superior taste" sperg who used the internet too much. I swear 90% of people were pretty content with them, and then turned on a dime years after the fact when they realised it wasn't considered cool.

Very little. What it did do though was crystallize in a detailed meaningful way the disappointment and frustration of being a star wars fan.

This guy deliberately tries to have opinions and say thing no one else is saying despite whether or not he actually feels that way. TLJ sucked, but other than RLM fans that suck this guy's cock and hang on his every word as profound, he didn't influence anyone.

Plinkett was the needle in the scales that got JJ the job! its their fault!

>what we were all thinking at the time
I was there man. 1999, the phantom menace comes out to huge fanfare and excitement.
They all loved it. Media spin was in orgasmic convulsions.
We were in denial. We just kept thinking this movie was settling the scene, the next one was going to blow us away.
But I was not fooled twice.
Exact same thing happened recently with the release of 'the force awakens'. "everybody" loved it when it first came out. But four years on it's regarded as a derivative feminist copy of the first star wars film

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Why do you think they shill Marvel shit so much? Mike feels indebted to them.

fuck all to none
people didn’t like the movies as they came out
some people kinda liked RotS (same people also disliked AotC because it had too many flippy fights lmao) on release. But they were disliked by most smaller name critics who weren’t large enough they were paid for scores. I remember my local papers review for each of them was 3/2/2 out of 5
almost everyone I know who was alive when a new hope was just called ‘Star wars’ have no idea who RLM or plinkett is and disliked the prequels
i was arguably at the “target age” while they came out and I only ever liked phantom menace and revenge as they came out
i tolerated clones because at the time i thought it was all about the clone army being found and not weird political stuff finished off with a yoda fight
i remember asking my dad in the theatre why yoda was fighting I thought he was old and this isn’t [set] too far behind the original ones he showed me
I also distinctly remember his response as “I don’t know”

It's astonishing how stupid their criticisms actually were. Even Alex Jones clowned them for being dimwits because of their take on the plot.

TPM was the best one though, 2 was weaker because they took out Jar Jar and made it all lame and serious like the spergs asked for. 3 was okay, if only because they said "fuck it" and focused on flashy action scenes.

do you remember where and when he does this?
I’d like to listen to his take on their take on the plot

They're funny and raise a few good points about why the movies failed to connect with people but they are also very jaded and at times outright dishonest. They refuse to give Lucas any credit for anything and a good 50% is just incessant nitpicking which has become gospel for a lot of people. That is ultimately their legacy and my problem with them. People pick the low hanging fruit because it's fun and cool to be a jaded cynic instead of discussing the actual big problems with the films in earnest. This is true for Star Wars and just about everything else in the era of RLM and CinemaSins.

is it this that you were specifically referencing?
youtu.be/oKm4ueVuxpY

lets be honest though, if you need to know someone else’s opinion on a movie, you’re a fucking idiot.
and if you want to know someone else’s opinion because you need it to make your own, you’re a bigger fucking idiot

I ask because there’s a 7 minute video with visuals that has a similar name and I don’t want to engage or give views to stupid shit

So would taking your comment seriously mean people would be idiots as well?

Not much, but zoomers seem to be obsessed with trying to force a narrative where it's their fault people disliked the prequels.
I assume it's mostly to cope with their love of prequels due to nostalgia since they saw them in fucking 4th grade.

nobody loved TPM when it came out except for children and brain damaged adults, the backlash was instantaneous, wtf are you talking about?

>TPM was the best prequel.
Can people stop with this contrarian opinion already? I'm seeing it everywhere nowadays. RotS is the best.

That's the one.

wouldn't prime demographic for Prequels be late millennials (early-mid 90s) rather than zoomers?

Everyone who's young/bad is now called a zoomer

The perception isn't so much that RLM tarnished the prequels reputation, but that they re-ignited the hate and made it more of a meme.

Right before RLM's review came out in 2009, the Star wars fanbase had mostly calmed down over the prequels and I remember most people on forums were saying by 2008 "C'mon, the prequels weren't THAT bad". Genndy wars, the Battlefront games, and to a lesser extent RotS were perhaps the things that partially softened the blow for people. Some people were still disappointed, but many more people were willing to admit they liked them pre-2009.

But then RLM's review came out in 2009 and the prequel hate was re-ignited and memed into the stratosphere (similar to Nickelback, Dane cook, Dragon ball gt, etc.). For a while around 2009-2014, whenever anyone said they like the prequels online, they were responded to with a link to RLM's review and sayings like "If you like the prequels, you're objectively a moron", plus every non-Plinkett prequel video at that time had Plinkett quotes spammed in the comments.

The perception isn't so much that "NOBODY hated the prequels before RLM", but that they somewhat re-ignited the hate and made it more of a meme.

Right before RLM's review came out in 2009, the Star wars fanbase had mostly calmed down over the prequels and I remember most people on forums were saying by 2008 "C'mon, the prequels weren't THAT bad". Genndy wars, the Battlefront games, and to a lesser extent RotS were perhaps the things that partially softened the blow for people. Some people were still disappointed, but A LOT more people were willing to admit they liked them pre-2009.

But then RLM's review came out in 2009 and the prequel hate was re-ignited and memed into the stratosphere (similar to Nickelback, Dane cook, Dragon ball gt, etc.). For a while around 2009-2014, whenever anyone said they like the prequels online, they were often responded to with a link to RLM's review and sayings like "If you like the prequels, you're a moron, they're OBJECTIVELY BAD", plus every non-Plinkett prequel video at that time had Plinkett quotes spammed in the comments.

However, after the sequel trilogy sucking and the rise of /r/prequelmemes, the prequels' reputation has begun to return to 2008 levels.

imagine white knighting for a guy who shamelessly tried to squeeze every last penny out of a work other people created and now lives in a mansion surrounded by bags of money.

Imagine white knighting for e-celebs.

>His brainchild is now "mainstream culture" and it's being raped to shreds.
It's not rape if he sold it, this is prostitution

imagine thinking not pitying lucas is same as white knighting for reddit letter media

No because my comment isn’t reviewing a movie or a product. If you think I am saying all opinions are idiotic then you are clearly mentally impaired.
Movies can only be objectively reviewed to a point, a lot of it becomes subjective. If you need to see someones opinion, whose opinions on other films probably don’t line up with yours, on purely subjective shit I would be scared to see how much brain damage you’ve incurred from all the mental gymnastics you perform

His correct assessment that the prequels are garbage has caused unlimited seething for the last almost-decade to the point where you can't even bring him up without someone having a pissbaby fit so I would say, mission accomplished

An immense impact. RLM's reviews of the prequels caused Lucas to sell to Disney in that they guided perception enough to convince Lucas that he was unappreciated. He has made statements that since he wasn't feeling the love, he peaced out.

This is an honest to fuck shill argument.

Good, the prequels suck. It's George's fault.

The worst decision Disney made about the SW sequels was hiring JJ "Generic" Abrams.

Clearly an idiot suggested Abrams as director.

If you're so insecure that you let some little internet review destroy your sanity, then it's not the reviewers' fault. You were a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.

The worst decision they made was keeping Kathleen after George hired her

>oversees two of the most financially profitable Star Wars films of all time
Yeah, they will fire her any day now!

Lucas is great at set-pieces (The trench run, the pod race, the Jango/Obi Wan chase, the Grievous vs Obi Wan, Yoda vs Sidious, and Obi Wan vs Annakin), but sucks at the story bits.

His tendency to have characters stand or sit and explain the plot is his biggest issue. Ford famously called him out on it.

Lucas can't write human dialogue, but he can come up with great concepts and ideas. He is creative but not interested in the character stuff. It clearly bores him. He doesn't give a fuck about character interaction.
Lucas should have provided the outline and themes, then had other writers flesh out the character arcs and dialogue.

Kathleen isn't a bad producer but she's not suited to Star Wars. Her biggest mistake was letting JJ, Johnson do as they pleased, until Lord & Miller went too far even for her.

Ironically she saved Lord & Miller by sacking them. Had she not, they would have been skinned alive by the fandom. Even the Last Jedi controversy would have paled compared to the shitstorm that a Lord & Miller Solo would have wrought.

.t mouthbreathing retard who doesn't know what inflation is

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>muh inflation
TFA still is the 4th highest grossing film and TLJ was the most successful film of the year it was produced so in what autismo universe would you think Disney is going to fire her? Cope.

Literally no film outside of ANH has made as much as TLJ or TFA when adjusted for inflation...

These are literally two of the highest grossing entries in the entire franchise.

You argue like a shill would

Not him, but I'm actively looking for a job as a shill for any major company. Does anyone know where I can apply for such a job?

>can't address the facts
>just call them a shill
Every time. You going to cry for 300 posts about how I'm a mouseshill or using multiple devices to post?

Remember this?

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imagine being that desperate to whiteknight for e-celebs

imagine being so mad that you make two posts

After the prequels, all TFA had to do to be successful was not be directed by George and have lightsabers, no shit retards went out in droves to for the first Star Wars movie in 10 years.
>...
Not only are you gay but you're also wrong, TFA is the only nu-wars movie that made more than the original trilogy.

>Not only are you gay but you're also wrong, TFA is the only nu-wars movie that made more than the original trilogy.

boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

>TFA is the only nu-wars movie that made more than the original trilogy.
That is objectively false though? You fucking retard.

Good move, but only because it means they can still do a 3D re-release at some point in the future after all the new Star Wars hype has died back down. Don't blow the load all at once while the larger hype train is already looming, especially when periodic excuses to harken back to the original trilogy is part of your longer-term strategy.

Oof.

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Did you even look at this before you posted it?
All of the original trilogy movies are higher than TLJ
Read the fucking reply chain, faggot. We're talking about inflation

>oh my God George, whats with this boring politics talk, where’s the action, you fuxking hack?
>oh my God George, what’s with this super fast and exciting lightsaber duel, you fucking hack
What did mister Plinket mean by this?

The gross is adjusted for inflation though? On virtually every site that tracks this shit. Will you stop making brainlet arguments already?

I like how you ignored TFA.

>because it means they can still do a 3D re-release at some point in the future after all the new Star Wars hype has died back down.
3D was only popular for a very, very brief window for maybe 6 months between 2009 and 2010 because of Cameron's Avatar, and now is considered a joke again. Who knows if 3D will come back again in the future but I think it will be in a long time.

Do you have dyslexia? We're talking about this list boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
>TFA is the only nu-wars movie that made more than the original trilogy.
Again, if you have to much of a retard to read the reply chain then don't bother replying

Nah. Force Awakens wasn't really the feminist one. Don't get me wrong it was derivative and it was basically just New Hope but with a diverse cast that weren't all honkeys. But it was such a carbon copy it didn't really have any time to do any political fucking grand-standing or soap-boxing.

Last Jedi on the other hand... yeah. Although I almost wonder if they put the feminist shit in there to distract from the films many, many, many other problems. Y'know the tactic of: "look everyone who's criticising the films is just a misogynistic, MRA, gamergator, alt-right incel, you should see the movie because you're not any of those things, right? You don't want to be a virginial nazi." That way all criticism of the film for having a shitty story, unsatisfying deaths for beloved characters, odd pacing, putrid comedy that undercuts any dramatic tension, borderline retarded plot twists that serve to make Force Awakens's plot set-ups to be retroactively worse, etc. can get shoved under the rug.

imagine being a big fucking faggot like you
stop replying to me.

Do you say ridiculous meme worthy things about why you don't like TLJ?

>TLJ is feminist
I'd say rent free but that will just make you mad.

Yikes. A typical /pol/cel.

Oh, it's pretty mild all things considered. It's also the least of the films fucking problems which y'know was the point I was trying to make you illiterate retard.

he ain't wrong

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nice samefag

>Implying Disney are going to follow up on anything that happened in their most interesting film after it flopped because everyone was tired of the TLJ shitstorm

I was actually looking forward to the film starring Emilia Clarke's character and her journey in the dark side but Disney only care about what they think has the highest chance of making them the most money

Yet you still had to cram your feminist boogeyman in there, just to remind us of the problems you generally have in your head.

>posts a screencap that proves you're pretending to be two people

Oof.

TPM is kino despite flaws owing to a rusty Lucas, but AotC is terrible, true, and RotS could have been much better, but it is still fun and even touching. Having said that, Attack of the Clones is better than everything Disney has done, except Solo which is a surprise kino.

Are they in the movie? Woah, quite an argument you have there.

Literally NPCs.

Oh this shit again. You the guy who thinks everyone is using multiple phones to invent new IPs?

It's not thinking when it's a fact.

Will you do us all a favor and fucking kill yourself?

It's only the fucking Laura Dern character with her purple fucking hair. It's a waste of perfectly good Laura Dern too, she was great that year in the Twin Peaks revival.

No u, Disney.

>either he's the same insane person from hours ago or a completely different schizoid
Either option is pathetic.

So because she has purple hair in a space fantasy filled with aliens, she somehow fulfills your self-fulfilling meme prophecy of being a feminist character?

JJ isnt a bad director he simply shouldnt have been involved with writing

You're the one shilling for Solo...

It brought a return to a grittier design in Star Wars and let lightsabers be swords again. That's all we got out of it.

She killed the MCU by sacking them too. Because she fired them when she did, they made Into the Spiderverse. That was loved by critics and audiences alike, and convinced Sony they could succeed without Disney and thusly led them to refuse to bow to the mouse.

I know, but it's actually damn good. It's got everything a great film needs, good acting, good story, great special effects, excellent music, memorable characters and situations, and it leaves the viewer with a positive feeling at the end. It's true escapism. This is from someone who skipped seeing it in a theater because TLJ punched me in the dick repeatedly.

Did it though? Disney wars is so fucking safe and by the numbers its sickening, and the nuEmpire is more pristine than ever rather than going for something like the ragged look of late western Roman empire or German Volkssturm

Nice larp.

It's the 6th best Star Wars film. I like it more with each viewing.

Before we go any further these are the facts to accept:

-Prequel hate was there right from when Episode 1 was in theaters. Yes, we know many of you in the thread enjoyed Episode 1, but a lot of other people were loud about hating it. Some of those people even had a huge outreach, like how The Simpsons made fun of it in the form of Cosmic Wars. Or Maddox shitting on Revenge of the Sith back when people used to listen to him and copy what he said.
-RLM posted their prequel reviews over the course of late 2009 to 2010. There was no way they could've influenced any of the prequel hate from 1999 to 2008. Additionally in 2010 there was also a documentary called The People vs George Lucas, which RLM didn't work on.
-However, people in Hollywood did watch the Plinkett preview reviews: Damon Lindeloff, Rian Johnson, and Simon Pegg, the latter who made a lot of tweets praising RLM and bashing Lucas/the prequels. To say that it had no effect on Hollywood is unlikely.
-JJ Abrams did say he talked to Simon Pegg for advice while filming The Force Awakens. If someone is asking a guy who watched and praised RLM's prequel criticisms then I assume he'd also tell them what RLM suggested.
-Lucas met up with Bob Iger in 2011 and suggested that he was going to retire. The sale went through around October 2012. It's unknown if he was aware of RLM and The People vs George Lucas before that meeting.
-Phantom Menace in 3D did poorly at the box office in early 2012.

>prequel apologists
you're talking about a movie.

found one

VI>V>III>IV>RO>I>Solo>VII>II>VIII

Ep1 3d home release never

Good job. Proud of you son.

Respectable order.

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I am an old man and was an active fan in 1999. Everyone was excited about EP1, then we saw it. I was in denial at first but a second showing fixed that. Before opening day I read a few bad reviews and a friend who read the comic adaption, already said it seemed lame do I had an idea..critics didnt like it, people were let down and that was it. The other 2 came and went and they got bad reviews and no one cared. Those that went seemed to out a weird obligation. They did good box office and got lots of attention in the media but most were like, egh

Dude, everyone hated it.

At the time many predicted this (kids at the time defending it as adults) I didnt believe that could happen yet here we are

>-Prequel hate was there right from when Episode 1 was in theaters.
dude what? it was beloved by the general public for years and only waned when attack of the clones came
youtube.com/watch?v=CjVFmaKtksg
hatred was only discussed on obscure internet forums and literal whos like maddox
>like how The Simpsons made fun of it in the form of Cosmic Wars
the simpsons spoof and make fun of everything in popculture
>-RLM posted their prequel reviews over the course of late 2009 to 2010. There was no way they could've influenced any of the prequel hate from 1999 to 2008.
prequel hate emerged along with the rise of home internet.before then there really wasn't fan hatred for movies besides flops and critic pans. there was no way of measuring or sharing negative sentiment unlike today where TLJ and captain marvel generate thousands of video essays calling them shit. its also with this rise of personal internet you get the reverse, the thing was considered shit for like 20 years and had nothing but negative reviews but is now considered a classic.

>the simpsons spoof and make fun of everything in popculture

There are also degrees of spoof, like a light spoof or a harsh spoof.

There were long lines for Episode 1 and there were still people lining up for 2 and 3 months ahead of their release. But I remembered people online and in the media making fun of the fans doing that.

WH OMEGALUL

>Special Edition
No, fuck George Lucas. I'm glad his creation is being further warped into an unrecognizable blob that will leave such a bad taste in everyone's mouths it actually ruins the OT. He can cry into his billions of dollars.

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One day the truly original Star Wars will be found in a box somewhere, and people will marvel at its funky beauty and how unlike it is to its cosmetic surgery-addicted evil twin.

>Phantom menace and Revenge of the sith are likable, but Attack of the clones is just terrible
This seems to be the popular opinion nowadays. Is there anyone contrarian or uncool enough to defend AotC? I've never seen anyone defend it in recent years.

Trips of truth, user. We can only dream.

>I swear 90% of people were pretty content with them
It was more like 60% were content with the prequels, while 40% disliked them.

Think about what you’re u just said to another human, for no good reason. Reconsider your life choices, it might improve your happiness.

EP1 had all the hype before everyone got disappointed in the movies and Sith had Darth Vader show up at the very end so even the biggest normie would watch it. AotC is always going to be "The other one they made"

Probably little, Star Wars fans don’t change and people who don’t like Star Wars don’t either

Totally based.
Fuck the mouse and fuck capeniggers.

The phantom menace had the biggest hype of any movie ive ever seen. It was unreal.

>RotS is the best.
level 1 opinion
>hurr durr its dark
its shit

Not even a question.

You know, there was internet back in 99 you homo. People were shitting on it.

seethe, tranberg

and it taught us to never get hyped for anything like that again.