Now that the dust has fully settled, team Barnes or team Elias?

Now that the dust has fully settled, team Barnes or team Elias?

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Team Elias because I'm not a fat, deluded psychopath.

barnes wasn't fat nor were his crew?

Elias was a good man in a bad place. Barnes was a bad man in a bad place. Barnes is who the company needed to keep them safe.

Barnes went home and Elias didn't. That should be a clear answer.

This, Afghan vet fag.. Elias is a guy that is solid and would do anything for you. But Barnes is a guy you FUCKING NEED IN WAR! cut throat will keep you safe and has a clear head when shit is getting fucked

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Barnes was shot and killed at the end

Barnes. Without Barnes, the machine breaks down. Without Elias, the war can still be won.

Unless you posit a world where war no longer exists, you absolutely have to have Barnes.

Most children, however, would choose Elias, because he's a good guy.

I always liked Barnes better when I was a kid, Elias annoyed me, and made me kind of dislike Dafoe to this day.

team barnes because killen gooks is what they sent us their to do. War= murder rape and pillage

Elias was right that it was over the top to hold a .45 to the head of a child. Barnes was a bully and basically fragged his own guy to avoid a court martial. Charlie Sheen was to it that he died by the sword.

Don't both of them die? And isn't Barnes the cause of Elias' death?

*there

dilate retard

This, save for forgetting the end of the movie.
It's not even really that Barnes was "bad" per se, but he'd been there way too long.

This
But you are, so I’m sure you can figure out his point

Elias really left him no alternative. Dumb as fuck to take it "to the brass".

no I'm honestly just asking what he's talking about, why so hostile?

Did you miss the part where Barnes shoots Elias?

You might actually have sub 110 IQ if you can’t understand what he means. I’m not being hostile.

Kill yourself tranny lmao, you're still a skinny-fat piece of garbage

>if you like barnes your fat
?????
Not "team barnes" I just don't get the rationale

>skinny-fat

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It's funny because I'm in way better shape than you and skelly when I get out of shape, you've probably never touched a girl you tranny retard dilate

yep thats you lmao dilate dipshit L M A O

the question boils down to pot vs beer. I'd go pot.

YEP, I WAS DRAFTED IN TO SHOOT GOOKS SO SHOOTING GOOKS IS WHAT I DID. STILL DONT KNOW IF THOSE GIRLS CRIED HARDER WHEN I KILLED THEIR FATHER OR WHEN I RAPED THEM, LOL!

-JEFF

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Barnes was the hero they needed

Elias was the hero they deserved

>le soi xDD
thats you tho you skinny-fat ugly faggot

Actually fragging Elias was Bunny's idea

I can understand that, but it pretty much proves itself with these posts. It wasn’t really genuine anyways.

Can you answer the question or were you just being retarded??

>Barnes went home and Elias didn't.
Yeah because Barnes killed Elias, retard. It doesn't mean anything over which was superior or more adapted to the situation.

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>but it pretty much proves itself with these posts
Them calling you skinny-fat? tbf most trannies are skinny-fat with terrible bodies hahaha

Team Nguyen

Barnes is reality

you're not wrong, that is just how 10 year old me felt about the movie. I really liked movies and books about 'going crazy outside civlization' back then. Lord of the Flies was one of my favorites.

obviously barnes is a psychotic asshole but there is an appeal in that especially for young boys

>Fuck yeah, team Barnes all the way!

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you've never touched a girl in your life hahaha

Dilate skinny-fat retard, hope you kill yourself soon desu

>d-daddy Barnes will keep us safe
Imagine being this deluded
If you have the bad luck to get to him he'll kill you himself in the middle of an op
Barnes is basically the reason Vietnam couldn't be won though
He's the best kind of Vietcong recruitment poster boy commies can dream of
Each time he shows up anywhere he basically makes sure that each viet he doesn't kill will hate muricans with such a burning passion that they become ready to do anything to rid their country of the likes of him
Elias was an idealist, but at least he understood that there was no way to win, no reason to be here and just wanted the lads under him to get out of here alive and with most of their limbs intact

>I love Barnes, he’s such a slayer like me! He’s the dad I never had!

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You have absolutely no idea what happened in Vietnam. That's an absolute load of total horse shit. Reason Vietnam couldn't be won. Pfft.

Read a fucking book, you dumb motherfucker.

Over extension is just a result of having bad muscle development. If he put on some muscle on his arms they’d fix

>there was no way to win,
would have been really easy to win, just firebomb the whole country like they did to Germany

lmao so ebin maybe if your dad didn't hate you you wouldn't be a gay virgin

There's a great deleted scene where they basically explain that Elias was kind of a drifter that joined up to avoid prison while Barnes was a Kentucky hillbilly that had literally nothing waiting for him back home.

>neither one gets the reference
Unsurprised, really.

They're both based on people that Oliver Stone knew irl in Vietnam, along with some of the story. He made a lot of shit up though.

>Barnes is so fucking based, he kills them gooks and does what he feels like! Maybe I’ll be badass like him one day! *buys MREs on eBay*

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>virgin prides himself on internet references
Unsurprised, really

>just genocide everyone lmao
Yeah that sure as hell won't lake the commies even more popular throughout and definitely not keep encouraging communist coups everywhere on the planet
Fucking retards I swear to me mom
If you're so well-learned about Vietnam, insurgency wars and geopolitics you probably are able to explain to us where I'm wrong, right?

Yeah the real Elias was Native American which has some little hints in the movie.

*owns people on Yea Forums*
*no friends irl*

Well they did it to the Fascists, and it wasn't genocide, they just destroyed all their cities

Bro it's not hard to get laid if you're gay just get grindr, there's no reason you should still be a virgin

>If you're so well-learned about Vietnam, insurgency wars and geopolitics you probably are able to explain to us where I'm wrong, right?

Yes, I absolutely could. Paypal me 20 bucks for my time and I'll explain it so even a child could understand.

But unlike the jannies, I don't do it for free.

It’s funny how the movie gave the audience that dichotomy to choose from: will you drink whiskey and become an aggressive asshole or will you smoke pot and become a pretentious asshole

>The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

right and it worked, so they oculd have done it communists countries too

>Heck yeah, he’s so badass, Elias is a soiboy bugman cück unlike the chad slayer based and redpilled Barnes!

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Then why do you waste your precious time posting empty shit like that for free?

>I literally can only speak in memes! my life is a pathetic lie and im so alone haha

It's actually a tv reference but that's cool, you don't really seem like you belong here anyway.

Remind me again, when did the commies have the planes to firebomb south vietnam?

Because shitposts are complimentary. If you want specific and quality information, that's extra.

holy fuck is all you can do strawman and buzzword? lol babbling fucking retard

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you obviously do you virgin loser lol

>Barnes is the reason Vietnam couldn't be won
Equally it can be argued that Vietnam couldn't be won because Barnes was a sergeant and not the C-in-C or the President. His mentality was that of a warrior, who will win the war for you, if follow him, or at least get out of his way.

Elias can never win a war. He can maybe prevent one, but he can never win one.

holy epic meme shot xD

i didnt even like barnes but seeing this makes me like him more

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They don't need the plans, im just saying it would have worked to just destroy their country. They guy was saying the war couldnt be won, but it would have been easy for the US if they just went full throttle.

How much for a blowjob instead?

You can give me one for free, I won't charge.

mods, this user has lost his composure

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>go to Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism
>genocide the country to neutralize a bunch of insurgents wearing sandals
>communists insurrections spring everywhere else in the third world
>communists parties in the west are now more popular than ever and start winning elections, riding the anti-war wave
>B-but I thought we won the war
gg wp master strategist

Who posted this, Shaker or Six?

That's nice

>>communists insurrections spring everywhere else in the third world
after you level a couple of countries I think they'd stop doing that out of fear. Similarly to how fascism stopped when a bunch of fascist countries got destroyed.

they just stopped branding themselves as fascists, but "anti-communist authoritarian" governments didn't just stop existing in 1945

team barnes

>imagine being this deluded
Yeah I'm sure the Soviet Union would have just sat comfortably eating popcorn while the US burned the commie half of the planet instead of sending nuclear missiles on Washington

>WE NEED GUYS LIKE BARNES
imagine being this much of an edgy faggot, the guy's bad and if you justify his actions you're an incel freak who should have been beaten up more in school

Barnes was right in his mission, but downright homicidal and petty, so I'd have to go with Elias.

Barnes = Yea Forums
Elias = reddit

>I got a real bad feelin about this one Bob, I dont think im gonna make it out of here
>We all gotta die sometime, red

>should have been beaten up in school
You sound like a barnes supporter desu

But Yea Forums is reddit

Well im not entirely clear why the US let the Soviets have half of Europe in the first place. The whole 'we must save Poland' thing rings a bit false when they just let some other lunatic take control of it at the end of the war anyway.

I still maintain that Vietnam would not have been hard to win, they just didn't have the will to do it.

>Barnes went home

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Any military fags ever had a guy like Barnes in your unit?

based

barnes is a more interesting character, he is like this all american boy who was under a meat grinder, a good guy whomwas there for ideali and stay out of pure hate and corrpution.

A good, high casualty war would solve a LOT of issues in this country.

Hey man. MREs are actually pretty damn tasty. Like canned meals but in bags.

Albert Pike wrote that nothing builds fraternity like war. Which is another way of saying that to reach peak fraternity, war is necessary.

Alright, Anons. Why did you want to enlist? Why didn't you?

Why
>watched 2000+ Americans die on live tv in 6th grade
>wanted to fight
>whole life coaches, gym teacher, veteran grandpa all said "You'd make a helluva marine"
>wanted to go career as an NCO
Why I didn't
>destroyed my knee joint at 15
>no branches would take me
>not even chairforce

>well I'm not entirely clear why the US didn't start WW3 right after finishing WW2
Because literally nobody, least of all the soldiers who would be fighting it, wanted it, and aside from Patton everyone had realized that. Operation unthinkable would have likely been a major disaster that would have resulted in millions of casualties. Sure they would have eventually won, but just as the French and British didn't want to die for Poland in 1940 I sincerely doubt the American public had any desire to see millions of young men die to liberate Poland.
As for Vietnam, winning militarily is meaningless if they lost the war of opinion and ideology, which was the entire fucking point of this war in the first place you dimwitted pseud.
Try to think a bit for fuck's sake.

Eating at a TGIF in Kandahar isnt exactly the same as Platoon

sounds to me like the americans just disliked fascism more than communism. The american public didnt want to go to war at all, they were just brainwashed into it with propaganda, why would their opinions matter at all?

Because I want to be a productive member of society and not a douche in fatigues doing meaningless shit paid for by taxpayer money.

They're yin and yang. You need both of them.

soft man who creates bad times detected

>they were just brainwashed into it with propaganda
they literally snapped into wanting to go to war because they got sneak attacked by Japan and had war declared on them by Germany
Americans weren't chomping at the bit to go to war with either on December 6th

how is the television ampersand film board so inept at understanding movies?

t. military bootlicker

This. If you go full barnes you go back home with nightmares about all the horrible shit you did

>I learnt history on /pol/ and by speedreading wikipedia - the post
Get any somewhat serious generic book about WW2 (Beevor or anyone else) and read it instead of wasting your time posting retarded shit like that
It's the current year, there's even good content about it on fucking youtube for fuck's sake, you have no excuse to be that retarded

>feeling anything other than contentment at killing gook insects

>lol war is productive make society stronk
Commie bootlickers and assorted keynesian retards and their shitty economic fallacies I swear to me mom

Sorry that you were too weak to join.

I gave myself a year after HS to figure out what I wanted to go to college for. Couldnt decide so I enlisted in 2007. Now, not only is my college paid for, I actually get paid to go to school.

Thank you taxpayers. Thank you Israel.

Branes was right about almost everything

How so again?

>Vietnam was a giant PR campaign by the US to win the hearts and minds of Americans and SE Asia

You fell asleep during some class or documentary at some point and missed a LOT of shit. Like 70 years worth of shit just in Indochina

>I can't read
Yeah I know you can't. Try again.

>too weak to join.
Bullshit. If it weren't for this injury I would have gone full crayon eater. All my life my coaches and gym teachers had to pit me against older, tougher kids because the ones my age couldn't keep up. I had to go up against highschoolers in gradeschool wrestling and football because I kept accidentally hurting the kids my age. I've always looked for martial challenges in sports. And when those quit being challenging enough for me I taught my friends how to fight. They kept up better than the sports kids but I still pulled way ahead of them to the point that they weren't having fun during our bouts anymore. Even when we picked up paintball/airsoft, they couldn't keep up. Fighting is the thing I am best at. Always has been. Always will be.

>winning militarily is meaningless if they lost the war of opinion and ideology, which was the entire fucking point of this war in the first place
>the entire fucking point of this war in the first place

K

All that posturing and your weak body failed you. Your coaches and older, touchy-feely adult male rolemodels were wrong. "My uncle says I wrestle real good!" wont get you off Paris Island

Yeah, I really don't see how you stretched that into your retarded strawman. Explain to me how the previous history of Indochina, Japanese occupation, independance, Korean war, war of Indochina against the French and the never ending latent civil war between commies and 'democrats' throughout this whole period makes the explicit strategic war goals of the US in Vietnam and southeast Asia since fucking Truman anything else than what I described or shut the fuck up.

Why
>desperately want a purpose in life
why i didnt
>hemophilia
>dont want to die for isreal
>dont like authority
>too smart and rich
>wanted to study physics

oh well, i guess ill just have to work at a govt lab instead :^)

lmao this dude

Based user keeping it real
Sounds like that guy actually bought into the whole “wow timmy you’re so special!” BS fed to him as a kid
Sad

Interesting that your first reason was a medical condition that wouldnt allow you to enlist, THEN ideological reasons

Sounds like someone couldnt get through MEPS and then blamed the Jews and being too much of a rebel

Thats a lot of projecting based on nothing

go back

>Why
Movies mainly. And i saw iraq unfold on the news. I remember seeing marines running around Fallujah get into firefights. The thought of being a soldier sounded so badass.

>Why i didn't.
When i realized that most modern day wars aren't worth it, and also seeing how my neighbors life was ruined when he came back with both of his legs blown off.
But if america is in any real danger i'd definitely join.

if i could have any wish it would be to in that final platoon battle scene.

>thinking there will ever be another large scale conventional war when you can just solve it in half an hour by blowing up the planet with nuclear warheads
ishygddt

based

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>we got gooks in the fucking perimeter!

Not really, just reading comprehension. If they absolutely never wanted to join they wouldnt list hemophilia as the FIRST reason they never enlisted.

If someone said "hey why dont you have a drivers license?" and the response was

>well, im legally blind and i have 4 DUIs
>also i dont support the use of taxpayer money to build roads

What would you infer

Why do you think the military is some elite group? Its literally just poor flyovers with nowhere else to be.

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I would infer that you arent Sherlock Holmes no matter how badly you wish you were

Elias no question. Wouldn’t have minded smoking a bong with him. God I want to fuck Willem Dafoe so badly

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>wanting to fuck back-to-formula man

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Luckily for you gay sex is now a common thing in the military

Elias of course

Barnes would have just used you as cannon fooder

Well, these genetic mistakes couldnt get in.

>Not wanting to fuck back-to-formula man

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