There is no seriousness to any of the imperial fleet, in fact it’s bastardization of imperialism almost seems to overlook the cold indifference of the concept itself.
The problem with imperialism IS its cold indifference, so removing that tone only seeks to empower imperialism. Appropriate for a company that seeks to control a large amount of the media.
>“Here kids, this imperialist regime that takes over planets is actually just full of bumbling pushovers. Relatable, right? RIGHT?”
It’s Star Wars you child Imagine thinking either looks like a military leader
Jace Ramirez
im not even talking about appearance, its the presentation of the characters throughout the movie. They turn the evil militaristic regime into a fucking joke.
Parker Howard
jesus christ stop
Robert Morgan
>5 Disney movies in and we still don’t know what the First Order is
Such a waste
Lucas Diaz
Couldn't agree more. The empire in nuwars is a joke.
Kevin Brown
More effective if you use this image for the cartoon character on the left
This is how jews portray nazis. They are still butthurt having been BTFO so easily that they are to afraid to represent them as an actual threat, it would hit home too hard. That's why Hitler is always an old defeated man or a clown. never represented as a serious competent leader.
OT >pretty much an archetypal idea of an oppressive military force, pulling inspiration from WW2, the British Empire, Imperial Japan, America's own military. Highly competent, imposing, and commanding of respect in a way that makes them great antagonists ST >Hey, remember the Gnatzees? Woah, look, he's totally crazy, screaming like HITLER! Don't worry though. They're all big sillies, kekekeke. Diversity wins!
David Flores
>implying he died
Josiah Miller
Yet they never found his body. they can't even have the satisfaction of parading his corpse to the world. And the amerimutts werent even there for the fall of Berlin, they had to watch the bolsheviks show some fake bodies. For what we know he could have escaped in a submarine to Argentina and live peacefully until his death.
Carson Foster
He did it by accident, and then he tripped over his skirt, and fell down some stares.
Christian Lee
>also conquers most of Europe Funny how you forgot to mention that part.
Austin Mitchell
Hitler was inspector Clouseau
Benjamin Sullivan
The ges?
Dominic Cruz
We're getting Jim's Cole Slaw, you guys want anything?
Kevin Miller
>imagine proclaiming something there is no evidence for whatsoever, and contradicts eye-witness accounts, and then being smug about it
Doesn't count if you can't hold it. Their energy situation was so dire after North Africa that Rommel was telling him to forfeit then and there.
Tarkin never lost it, never got angry. He called Vader back with a calm sentence. Hux is just insane.
Thomas Stewart
But if the villains aren't all frothing at the mouth, how will the audience know they're evil?
Carson Martinez
Who are you quoting?
Jason Foster
It’s sad that they genuinely don’t grasp that a leader calmly ordering the deaths of billions, in the same tone he’d use to order tea, makes for a far more threatening antagonist than a frothing retard.
Carson Peterson
>classic lots of lines, details, and ridges that give it the look of a heavy duty pace of equipment. What appears to be a gas mask like apparatus at the bottom, heavy lines under the eyes, and a menacing grimace >new OwO, what's this?
It was so over the top, in the case of Hux, that when Rian Johnson came in his first instinct about where to take the character was >"I realized there's a lot of potential for humor there that hadn't been used yet"
Lincoln Adams
that's why I was hoping at the end of ep2 they'd have Thrawn come out of the unknown region with Snoke's master
Dominic Hughes
The thing is Disney SW is not the same entity as classic SW. George was making a serious attempt at good fantasy fiction. Disney are making the equivalent of one of those Popeye cartoons where he beats up the Japanese, and they look ridiculous.
John Phillips
Unfortunately they had already burned Thrawn as the antagonist in the cartoon show Rebels he was killed by space whales
Ethan Ortiz
>It’s Star Wars no it's not
David Sanders
The FO troopers look Disney characters. Just paint the nose part in yellow and you have Duck Troopers.
>wouldn't it be hilarious if Patton/Zhukov/Monty called up Rommel then put him on blast with a "yo mama" joke? >*dabs* put it in the movie dude! >lmao bb-8 is such an epic trololol >*dabs* >*dabs*
Mason Martin
>Lucas Villains Calmly sociopathic Leader who doesn’t even blink at the mass slaughter of innocents Cybernetic killing machine with unpredictable whims Ancient dark sorcerer who keeps his pure hatred stored as a weapon. Near silent Alien Assassin with an exotic weapon Fallen noble with a duellist’s grace >Disney villains Frothing retard who nobody takes seriously Psychopath man child who loses to an untrained girl and is designed to appeal to tumblrites Sapient ballsack in gold Jim jams who gets betrayed midway through his speech on how he can’t be betrayed
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
Elijah Morris
Someone post the comparison of stormtrooper faces without masks
Nathan Collins
It's empowering for Rey.
Hunter Torres
>He did it by accident Jews must be pretty fragile if that's the case
In the opening sequence of TLJ, the commander of the Dreadnought says a puzzling line after Poe has taken out their surface cannons >We SHOULD have scrambled our fighters 5 minutes ago! after he apparently receives authorization to do so
The commander of the dreadnought can't order his own ship to scramble fighters? He has to wait for Hux to tell him?
Like man if you think you need to scramble fighters, just do it. It's your fucking ship.
Bentley Roberts
>dude lmao Kys
Kayden Price
Given that Snoke is the kind of retard that doesn’t even know his own ship has tracking devices, he was probably worried about him flying into a telekinetic ‘tard rage.
Benjamin Gomez
Isn't Hux and imperial prince or something? The real competent officers of the First Order tend to be older or more solemn and have background roles. This actually isn't a dramatic departure from the old movies because Vader was a gimmick who just bullied officers with magic tricks.
Asher Parker
>don't scramble fighters when you know failure to do so will result in the ship's destruction and your death vs >scramble fighters and risk getting chewed out by Snoke if it goes wrong - which it won't because the resistance is practically defenseless I mean I get your point but I know which option I'd pick
Lucas Cox
In fairness, he was only taking surface damage until the bombers came, and given how utterly shit the bombers were, he probably was just pissed off at the repair job he had coming.
Juan Wood
>he was only taking surface damage until the bombers came yeah but that "surface damage" was the surface cannons specifically meant to deter the bombers
>see Poe coming >scramble fighters >they take him out or chase him off, you still have your surface cannons >the bombers cannot approach at all
Colton Foster
rian wrote the scene in reverse he wanted a scene where slow bombers approach a massive ship, but then realized a massive ship would have defenses so Poe has to take out the defense but a massive ship would also have fighters so the commander just doesn't scramble them until it's too late because Poe was distracting Hux with a yo mama joke
written completely in reverse to get to the setpiece scene rian wanted to happen
Benjamin Foster
but dude how will the audience know he's evil if he doesn't go batshit on the podium like hitler?
Mason Rogers
>he wanted a scene where slow bombers approach a massive ship Yeah cause fuck using fast bombers like Y-Wings, we've got new toys to sell
Daniel Miller
A handful of B-wings would have done the job
Logan King
They're supposed to represent neo-Nazis, which is why they're comically incompetent and short-tempered. Don't think about it any deeper than that, because there's nothing more to it.
I think NuLucasfilm wanted to make an Empire clone with The First Order, but didn't want anyone to think they were cool because Empire/FO=Nazis to Disney. So they made Hux and the other higher up evil characters slapstick retards (Hux thrown around, Kylo having a bitch fit, etc.)
Wyatt Perry
Following this logic, its safe to assume Kylo/Rey will be seeing visions of the emperor. Thematically speaking, the fallen sith lord is a representation of the first order’s ideology. His story of immortality via ‘plagueis the wise’ is an allegory to represent the legacy that can be left behind at death. He will be called wise by the by his followers, but in the end who follows Sidious will suffer the same fate as Sidious himself.
Luke will come back as a force ghost as well, and we will see a Kino force ghost fight scene lul
Jeremiah Bailey
Star Wars in particular is in a special position that if theres some sought of dumb inconsistency in the movies that they overlooked then the storygroup can shit out a book, comic or video game explaining it. If you only just watched the movies you think that the First Order is just the Empire rebranded but the extended material explain that it originated from the Emperor's contingency plans
Nolan Barnes
PFFFffffFFff.......
Jonathan Howard
It's far more realistic. Trump is basically a real life Sith lord and he looks like a bumbling idiot.
Josiah Rivera
i guess they were worried about too many people preferring the authority guys since they already cut it close putting an altright rager as the prince charming character
Aiden Robinson
Remember when JJ made the stormtroopers do a not ziec-heil, really makes you think.
In the Art Of TFA book they admit they were taking inspiration for Apple products for updating the armor. Like some twat in Silicon Valley would be making overly streamlined armor for the US Special Forces.
Nathan Flores
>ziec
Kevin Green
>"we're making a mighty ducks Saturday morning tie-in cartoon" >"cool, when do we start filming?" >"filming?" >the cartoon is about actual space alien hockey warrior ducks
Samuel Nelson
it was pretty good too. I'd rate it similar to Gargoyles
Nope, neo nazi will be a small faction of terrorists. these guys are the new Empire and you have to be wondering how these incompetent losers got there. Then you look at the resistance and it's an all female army. Suddenly it actually makes sense.
ugly women vs stupid men and in the end they need help from a pretty one to charm the stupid man in charge
Carson Jackson
Well played.
Asher Edwards
You’re a fucking retard. An empire founded by giving emergency powers to a new chancellor isn’t a fucking monarchy, and fuck you for thinking Vader was that shallow. Vader is an amazing character because he is the right hand mans to Sidious and is aware that the hierarchy of the Empire is a fucking joke compared to his powers in the force and the actual darkness that he embodies as a sith. He isn’t a bully, he just recognizes that regular people are ants compared to him and his abilities and he refuses to acquiesce to their level of human emotions. He is a half machine demigod who refuses to die and he fucking knows it.
Colton Walker
Slow bombers in space makes zero ducking sense anyways. >HURRDURR LOOK GUISE ITS JUST LIKE THE BRITISH BOMBERS AGAINST THE NAZIS >WHADDA YOU MEAN THERE ISNT ANY AERODYNAMICS IN SPACE AND ANYTHING WITH A BIG FUCKING ENGINE CAN GO INSANELY FAST THATS DUMB YOURE DUMB SLOW SHIPS IT WILL BE IM SO GOOD AT CREATING ATMOSPHERE TER TER TER
Bentley Roberts
The FO is not a nazi organization. It’s an authoritarian imperialism-revival political party with broad popular support, with a radical christian subgroup led by Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren being a crusader type guy, is trying to create a new cult worshipping the christ-figure Darth Vader, who died for our sins.
>OT empire had formations that would make North Korea blush >Prequels clones we’re like space Roman legions in their level of coordination And now this garbage, they’re not even in solid lines, it looks like a SW cosplay event at a shitty music festival
Samuel Morris
oh really slow lazers make no sense either plasma swords make no sense either sound in space makes no sense either dogfighting makes no sense either droids make no sense either and so on..
Gavin Moore
Rian's fucking retarded. There's the sinking of Bismarck and Yamato, yet he based it in strategic bombing of ground targets.
Jason Nelson
You mean to tell me that Disney got another thing wrong with Star Wars? Color me fucking shocked!
Liam Bell
Those are all internally consistent with the setting you disingenuous nigger. Bombers that have absolutely no armour or evasive abilities make no sense even in their starting film, let alone when connected to the previous ones.
Why do so many NuWars apologist tracts rely on not treating them as sequels?
Ayden Hill
I fucking knew it. The second I saw the teaser trailer I called them Apple iTroopers and people fucking defended them.
maybe modern lefties are so afraid of showing the bad guys as being cool and intimidating in any way (god forbid some kid somewhere pretends he's a villain, that's just a step away from becoming a real Nazi) that they have to write the bad guys as emotional imbeciles which undercuts the idea that we should care about this conflict. Just like how they say 4 more years of Trump are so terrifying that they mock him at every opportunity.
Michael Sanchez
Because authoritarian regimes naturally lend themselves to that kind of thing. That's why the Death of Stalin works as a comedy.
>modern lefties jews > Just like how they say 4 more years of Trump are so terrifying that they mock him at every opportunity. Actually by mocking his hair and making other childish jokes, they're doing him a favor because tehy're downplaying the serious things he's doing. But jews love him, he's good for Israel.
Ryder Morales
It all could have prevented when the evil first order men listened to the wise old women and just had sex.
