Why is Marvel highly successful and DC not successful?

DCU was just full of shitty movies.
They had success with Nolan's Batman movies.

Because marvel makes actual art

i dont know how DC does this shit but cant seem to cobble together anything decent. like no one here is gonna say aquaman was their favorite movie

Marvel atleast has tie in merchandise and tons of resales on home video and shit. plus a competent streaming service hitting soon.

>DC is actually more successful in terms of comics sales.
No it isn't retard.

>makes actual art
>actual art
>art
I'm sorry to inform you capeshitter, but capeshit isn't art.

better source material and characters

Oh this is just adorable, It's like back when you morons kept bringing up Suicide Squad's Best Make Up Oscar like that meant something. You know back before Black Panther won several much more important ones as well as being the first comic book movie to be nominated for Best Picture something DC never has never done and never will.

dc is cornered on earth and a few other planets
marvel takes place in the entirety of its universe

The wanted the DCEU to be different from the MCU.
Somewhere, somehow they decided the best course of action is to just take what Marvel does and go the complete opposite direction even if it means making awful movies.

without being memey

DC tried the same angle thatn most of its better comic books sagas, aka, modern mithology figures and religious analogies but with superheroes
marvel went for the seriousbutcomedy epic easy to digest worlwide
marvel won cause its style is more suited for the multicultural masses

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I saw people with cancer, AIDS and other diseases, I even saw few drug addicts and cumbrains, but holy shit, MCUcuck are irrecoverable, the damage is beyond measure.

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Zach Snyder? Or the screenwriters, I guess. The director really has final responsibility

cringe

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What the hell is that abomination on bottom right?

>kept bringing up Suicide Squad's Best Make Up Oscar like that meant something
can't handle the bantz lmao

>like no one here is gonna say aquaman was their favorite movie
I hope no one here says a MCU movie is their favorite movie

Holy shit, mouseshills are all over the place today
Disney+ phase shilling
poor Yea Forums....

Incompetent Warner Bros Execs and DC really never had much input on their movies like Marvel did.

Listen kid, just leave. Snyder ruined what good will DC had and now they have to rely on some McDonald’s art house movie to save their dying brand.

Marvel release kino every time. Thor 2 is better than DC’s best movie. Now be a good little DCuck and re watch suiside sqwad.

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Seethe harder DCuck

cringe, yikes

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the ride never ends, soon they will be replaced by machines that shill 24/7

I hate Marvel more than DC.

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Marvel lucked out with Robert Downey Jr who was recovering his reputation from his more drug addled days (even though he'd been doing smaller indie movies for a while) and got him to play a character dealing with similar problems of addiction. Subsequent movies in the Marvel franchise were able to benefit from this since it was all tied into the RDJ universe, which Marvel figured out could at least be moderately entertaining for most people by playing the superheroes ironically with all the quips they'd do.

DC in contrast tried playing more of their superheroes seriously to replicate the success of Batman's franchises even though that's something only appropriate for that one character. DC has been learning a bit after the success of Suicide Squad that showed inserting a bit more levity could work for their movies and now is experimenting with their Joker movie that's pretty much dead serious with its interpretation of one of Batman's most famous villains.

The only Marvel movies worth watching are the Guardians of the Galaxy
Civil war and Avengers were legit unwatchable, like 0/5 movies
Spiderman total garbage too, they even ruined Zendaya who is a cutie
Millennials were a mistake

We need a cunnybot upgrade to save us, this time with actual CP

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Keep seething faggot.

Marvel is good at making money you can't deny that, but DC makes the real kino. Actors who would rather retire than act in a Marvel movie would jump at the chance of staring in a Batman film. DC made a few flops but when they get it right, it's real film. Marvel films are like the big bang theory and DC is like True Detective.

Reply with the same shit over and over again, if this isn't the proof that your are the one who actually seethe while crying I don't know what it is.
But hey cheers MCUfag while I taste your tears.

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Even DCfags can admit, Marvel executed their film universe PERFECTLY. However you felt about this film or that film, as a whole, 10+ years, they rewrote how movies will be made for eternity.

Connected film universes will always be money makers. And don't buy that shit that DC gave up on an extended universe. They got beat and are just taking the Sony way out (still having connected universes but within the confines of individual characters).

For example, DC wants to make spinoffs of Aquaman (The Trench, etc), Shazam (Black Adam), and even Flash will reportedly be a shared universe within it's own confines (picture the Spiderverse feat. different Flashes, Wally, Barry, etc.). Hell, even Harley Quin has her own shared universe (Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, etc).

DC tried to go ALL in and looked like fucking fools. Instead of one shared universe, they're making six. And even Yea Forumsfaggots are too ignorant to see this trend.

Holy shit, the amount of seething.

>Reply with the same shit over and over again
Golden Lion

>However you felt about this film or that film, as a whole, 10+ years, they rewrote how movies will be made for eternity.
and that's a fucking awful thing

Blahahahhaaaa!!!

Holy fucking shit. This speaks volumes.

>checked

Sorry bud. It probably wouldn't be so bad if any other film company knew how to execute it but Marvel. But Marvel is the best. Often imitated, never duplicated.

imagine typing this out unironically

don't worry MCUcuck, you are allowed to cry here, matter of fact you are not the first MCUfag who rage cry while being owned, but hey if repeating the same autistic shit makes you feel better keep doing it, as along as we keep farming your tears, you can keep doing it.

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>DC has been learning a bit after the success of Suicide Squad that showed inserting a bit more levity could work for their movies

aka just copying Marvel.

people are mad at Marvel for changing the genre and making it cookie cutter. but DC had the opportunity to buck the trend and they sold out. you all are mad at Marvel cause DC sold out?!! what is this, Bizarro World!! how bout taking some responsibility for worshiping Wonder Woman (Cap America remake) and Aquqaman (Thor remake). DCucks literally praise DC for turning into Marvel and then say Marvel sucks? hypocritical niggerfaggots.

>DC made a few flops
1st honest thing I've read ITT

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Rotten Tomatoes scores

Because Marvel didn't put Snyder in charge, but DC did.

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Why change when I can drive you mad with little to no effort?

> I don't know how movie industry works, so I will reply with Snyder because I hate him.
t.redditor

> being owned
> rage cry
> have no arguments
> keep cry
> repeat the same shit
> have mental breakdown
> try to give the illusion to have control over the conversation by trying the play it cool
> still cry

LUL

You couldn't even deny it, much less refute it. You retard.

dc has like 5 shows on the tv, with multiple seasons, and is being included in HBO max

Seethe, seethe, all you do is seethe. Now sing along!

i don't get it?

>there's an alternate universe where Ayer got to release his unedited suicide squad and Snyder got to make his justice league 2 parter

not if a studio doesn't let you work.

Not really, even with suicide squad they weren't making fun of their own characters the way Marvel does.

I see, you are projecting

DC best is still miles about anything Marvel shits out

Your point?

Marvel is about to drop 12 shows with actual famous actors (Renner, Olsen, etc). Who gives a shit about fucking Swamp Thing that got cancelled or Coon Patrol full of transvestites and faggotry. God, you're retarded to even bring up series vs series. Marvel wins hands down!

Because Joker is totally copying Marvel.

Getting tired dccuck?

Friendly reminder than many DC and Marvel stuff has been created by same people and they shared ideas all the time. I gotta love that stupid console war between capetards on both sides.

>"No, DC is better! Reeeee!!"

What a fucking comeback!!

DC sure is lucky to have intelligent and witty cucks like you defending it. Question: did you get your GED? Never mind wagefag, just keep serving my kids fries in our Lexus SUV.

yikes believing those movies to be remakes.
Then can't even use the marvel equivalent of bizaro world.
You shills are incredibly daft.
I remember you guys describing the doctor strange trailer, "It's like the matrix and inception!" Can't even describe anything without using the superior company's ip's

>"This is just console wars"

Classic DCfaggot deflection. If I was getting my ass fucking beat, I'd pretend it didn't matter either. But it does matter. And being a Marvel fan right now, is like being a GOD. I feel all powerful.

As much as i follow Marvel, Their only big actor is Robert Downey Jr. He is their Tom Cruise for better or for worse.There is a reason Renner and Olsen rarely gets to be the main actors outside of comic book movies.

You can't deny a fact you moron.
"You want someone to say no they didn't put snyder in charge."?
Holy shit and that file name, someone suffers from sps.
I mean you guys can't cast any kino directors, nor shall you ever

> point some dude
> present no evidence or argument to support his claims
> being called for being ignorant for not having any knowladge in the movie industry
> rage and call user retard

just go back to your cave redditor and stop embarrassing yourself

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name one known actor in ANY of the DC series
just ONE
go ahead, we'll wait...

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I don't give a flying fuck about DC or Marvel. I just find it ridiculous that two kinds of capetards fight with each other over something that is pretty much the same shit.

>DCfag seething

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Timothy Dalton

Ahh yes the pozzed netflix shows, truly good stuff to raise your kids with.
Surely they will think nothing strange about Jessica sue Jones getting railed by Luke bbc Cage. You guys love that shit. Especially when she gives the resting bitch face to the other beta heroes like daredevil and the ultra jew looking iron fist.
Not only are you making their job easy but you're giving them your money so your children can subscribe to blacked even faster.

You just posted one you dunce.
now kys

DC has been historically more successful if we're counting all films dating back to Superman '78. It's not even close.

add phase 4 to the pic and put vr goggles on his head that say blacked

Marvel Cinematic Universe > DC Cinematic Universe

DC (Literally Everything Else) >>>> Marvel (Literally Everything Else)

youtube.com/watch?v=yWuj9voUqLE

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>being this cocklet
lmao

from what, owning MCUfags big dick style, NEVER, I actually enjoy it, kek

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>Tim Dalton

Ah, yes, they guy who played James Bond back in 1987 (before you were born). I stand corrected, DC truly does get the real box office draws for their series.

How can anyone argue that Marvel's actors > DC actor's? Seriously. I mean, you know, if were counting all the ones that quit on DC because they couldn't get their characters right.

Sarcasm aside, if I cared enough, I think there's a valid argument that more famous actors quit DC than any film studio in history. It was like a mass exodus. Topus kekus -

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Came back to seethe some more little faggot?

Correct. Just because they are loosing popularity contest now, it doesn't deny that they were on top for almost 4 decades. And this is how they win. They are loosing the battle now, there's no denying, but once MCU's popularity is over DC will be still shining with another Dark Knight-level movie. You can compare it to two different kind of runners. Marvel is a sprinter, produsing 20 movies in 10 years and cashing as much as possible. DC is a marathonist, long distance runner.

Imagine shitting on Timothy Dalton to claim 5head and Flying Nigger are big names

>Marvel comics
Pleb comics for children
>DC comics
Patrician comics for adults, about the true nature of heroism. Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, enough said

>MCU
Bad CGI shitfests for children, zero depth and quips
>DC films
Serious art

Marvel just has more to work with. The Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, etc. And all DC has is the Justice League (which if we're being honest is severely outdated).
Comparing Marvel to DC is like comparing the New England Patriots to dogshit. They'll win that match every time!

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Marvel is successful only because of MCU. They are nothing without that series. Meanwhile DC has been more successful without DCEU.
Once MCU is done, Marvel is dead.
When DCEU is done, DC can still shine with the rest. Nolan's trilogy is the best example.

Let me try your autistic method

keep seething harder MCUcuck

You're finally learning young pandafag. I'm so proud.

funny thing is when these movies get reanalyzed, the people who finally have a grown up mindset will see how shitty the mcu films were and how forgettable, they won't be able to fathom how big of fags they were.
May happen sooner than most think, if these sec investigations lead into something, it could end the mcu with no conclusion.

>DC tried to go ALL in and looked like fucking fools

DC tried to do a group superhero movie too soon. But otherwise had the right idea with all the different individual movies.

Thing I'm really surprised by is Sony which hit upon a good Venom movie and will probably be able to pull off a good version of a Spiderman franchise because of it.

let me try again
keep seething harder MCUcuck

Very good point. MCU is the only thing that makes Marvel relevant. Menwhile it seems like DC works better without DCEU.

It's as if they never read a comic or even watched an animated series.
They of the JL, JLA, Green Latern corp, New and old Gods, Sucide squad, Teen Titans, Legion of Doom.
What's outdated is the xmen think it should be the x-xi much of your fan base agrees and demands this.
You actually bothered to list Fantastic Four!
Kek, shouldn't have replied.

Yes, let the hate flow through you seethe lord

Marvel is more successful than DC because they start with the basics and work their way up. Marvel's foundation? = CASTING

Marvel has over 20 actors/actresses that have won Academy Awards. Everyone from Hopkins to Blanchett to Redford. Hell, even Portman and Paltrow have Oscars. Kingsley, Larson, Bridges, Del Toro, and the list goes on and on and on.

And that's just the winners. If you count nominations like Renner, Ruffalo, McAdams, etc... you can QUADRUPLE that number. Marvel just starts with the basics: get the best actors in the world = get the best product in the world.

Meanwhile, in DC Land, they are notorious for bad casting. Everyone from Jussie Smollet's nigger sister to washed up nobodies like Brendan Fraser. And that's just the actors who didn't quit because DC sucks. Add real nobodies like Ray Fisher, Jai Courtney, etc. and you begin to see where DC obviously fails before they even begin.

Don't be a fool and argue my point, cause I will destroy you again.

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exactly how can anyone make the argument marvel actors > DC actors?
That was a freebie, slow down shill.
You guys have no real men in your leads.
It's okay your daughters will breed black and your sons will invite you to a gender reveal party 15 years later, and it won't be for a baby.
Enjoy your Blacked led team of heroes.

>tfw love DC's comics more but you KNOW their movies are bad until the last 3-4

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Golden Lion

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So then that means Joker is supreme Kino.

Totally forgot their tagline for JUST ice League was: ALL IN

DC truly is the AEW to Marvel's WWE.

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nobodies arguing that except liberals and sjws.
but it's a one off indy film. we're talking film franchises here.

So joker is capeshit now?

omg, I can't believe it, you fell for such a trick, I literally called you an autist and you did agree with it, then I did it again, are you barin dead wtf, I mean I know you are an MCUcuck, but holy shit, this is a new level of retardation, I think I discovered a new species of MCUfag. kek

If it's successful, you bet your ass DCfags claim it. If not, they'll pretend it doesn't count. That's how those faggots cope.

it's already successful

Suddenly box office doesn't count on Yea Forums.

Well, if it fits your narrative, go for it DCfag.

No challenge whatsoever. Typical dccuck. I'm quite disappointed at you son.

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simple!

>Marvel makes good films
>DC makes bad movies

and that's the truth, baby!

>Suddenly box office doesn't count on Yea Forums.
did it ever? it's a summerchild thing

Sad to say, but there's some truth to this.
Idk why, but Marvel just gets the better actors and DC gets all the ones Marvel didn't want.
It sucks!

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Marvel has the real superheroes! DC has the superzeroes!

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you were shaking while typing such cringe reply, kek, you did get owned hard!! LUL
omg I almost split my sides laughing.

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I had high hopes for you. But you're just a typical seething cunt.

If we're talking movies, then it's because Marvel actually has some kind of plan for their movies and they're made to be acceptable by mainstream audiences. DC is just making it up as they go along while hoping to catch up to Marvel by mimicking it's formula. While they can make good solo movies, they're nowhere near the point in their cinematic universe that Marvel is, and I don't know if they can save it. But they can definitely find their own success in self-contained movies if they go that direction.

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obviously doesn't watch kino and incapable of forming their own opinon.
Will you keep shilling when the cents stop depositing post investigation?

With what little has been given, they already have a lot of the world built up.
Doesn't need to start from the ground up with these character's being around for almost 100 years.
There's plenty of easter eggs in the Snyder directed films, these eggs tend to hold key details.

DC started their cinematic universe with a movie no one liked, then just kept doubling down.
Marvel made some movies that had mass market appeal by being light quippy meme flicks, and then once people were invested they doubled down on the comic sales tactic where you trick people into thinking they need to buy more and more to get the "full story", until consuming just becomes a compulsion and an obligation, more than a thing people do for it's own sake.

hahahaha I fucked you so hard to the point that you forgot your catch phrase, here, I'm gonna give you a hint
> the first word starts with and "s" and the second one with "h"
> don't forget to add who is owning you, I think it starts with "DC"

Rage more faggot

>But they can definitely find their own success in self-contained movies if they go that direction.

They won't settle for one off films though.
It was explained well here I mean, as a DC fan, do u really want to see an Aquaman universe? Black Manta getting an antihero spinoff or a horror film about The Trench? These were real proposals.

It's bad enough we're getting a HarleyQuinnverse, I don't want to see side characters in films about C-List characters. You realize we almost had a Deadshot solo film?! DC is clueless as to what fans want to see.

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>You realize we almost had a Deadshot solo film?!

shit forgot about that, yikes!!!!!!!!
fortunately big willy style quit.
why do all dc actors quit?

nobody liked
ahh yes the same critics who say this when superman goes through a building, "It's too LOUD!"
Hulk goes through a building, "FUN!"
Yes nobodys didn't like it.

I will not reply to you unless you use your catch phrase. C'mon MCUfag
plllllllllllssssssssss

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sneed

But you just did. Good petfag

OP is a faggot. Who gives a fuck about capeshit.
Dubs = nitro dubbz

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with what all this guy said ^
this is probably the safest and smart move.
They know the hype for the next phase into the mcu is bar none or fake hype. Just start releasing more solo flicks, people are getting more character development or at least more exposure to the character, while not even affecting the time line of the collaborated movies.
Seriously so far none of these movies really talk about the events of JL, they stay contained which allows them to keep releasing more standalones or contained films.
They are just waiting to release the Snyder Cut at this point. Looking at the big picture this was the most profitable and safest move they could do. Releasing Snyder's version of the movie during the end of Phase 3 would've just been overshadowed.

Don't be a mong.

I didn't meant to break you, c'mon MCUfag, please use your catch phrase

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>why do all dc actors quit?

Why do people abandon a sinking ship?

imagine thinking this

Also yeah a Deadshot film wouldn't really be that hype, they wasted the character by retconning him into Will smith. Will is okay, but he plays himself in every movie.
Deadshot just works better with a literal who, so he can keep his mask on, or at least get a real actor who doesn't care if his face is showing or not.
Don't remember if he quit or Gunn just didn't want to use Smith's Deadshot.
Tom Hardey quit Capt Boomerang cause of Smith, they started to change the script to give Smith more screentime.
Ben Affleck didn't really quit as to he was force to step aside.
Cavil still hasn't technically quit, idk why anyone would believe anyone would leave the lead role to a multi million dollar franchise.
He refused the Shazam! cameo because that would use a movie that's on his contract.
Snyder had a plan for him, his contract would have to be renewed after Justice League Pt.2 so that he can do Man Of Steel 2 with a new contract, maybe to stay as superman or just stay on board for more movies, since they were likely to do a Flashpoint event, so probably would've gotten Jeffery Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne Batman and maybe try a few things that some people would like to see with these actors as other characters.

because it's infested with rats

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based and blackpilled

they found a formula that works

they are the big bang theory of movies

>they found a formula that works for low IQ brainlet zoomer soiboys
is what i meant to write

Bro, I appreciate the effort, but I can't trust anything that you wrote. One, cause you're a DC fanatic and they're obviously deluded AF.

But for another, you lied about Tom Hardy. He signed on to play Rick Flag (not Capt Boomerang). I just wanna discuss capeshit, but DC fans are ALWAYS lying. It's disgusting and wrong.

I'm sure the 24th relaunch of Captain Marvel will work this time user

C'mon MCUfag, come back, please use your catch phrase

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I'm gonna take a nap, please keep bumping this thread in the meantime.

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Oh shit you were right about Rick Flag,
Don't know why they would want 2 look a likes on the same team.
Ehh I don't care, if you believe that than that's all you.

DC has a number of major characters that don't appeal to mainstream audiences. Comics are science fiction, and the success of any science fiction hinges on how much the audience has to suspend their disbelief and can relate to the characters.

Characters like Superman, Green Lantern, and Flash will never have the wide audience appeal of Batman, Green Arrow, or Wonder Woman because they're essentially advanced humans that don't have ridiculous or unbelievable powers.

Marvel has characters like Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Wolverine. All of them fit the mold of the advanced human, and don't require the audience to buy into laser beam eyes or being able to move so fast you can bend the space-time continuum being possible.

The Avengers movies use Cap and Iron Man, the two most relatable characters, to take center stage while using Thor and Hulk, which are less believable, as supporting characters who really only come into play during big action sequences.

DC suffers from having its most iconic character also being its least believable, least relatable character in Justice League. Both BvS and JL had to waste valuable film time trying to humanize Superman, which took time away from actually telling a coherent narrative. It's a fruitless task, because you can't make a character who's who is so ridiculously overpowered that he'd make a perfect villain relatable to a wide audience.

The end result is that MCU movies are considered more enjoyable by audiences.

The JL we were supposed to get, would've used the screen time to watch Cyborg's journey into losing his humanity while feeling like he wants to die, his feelings would probably change as they resurrect Supe's and gains an understanding on what it means to be alive now that he is a powerful being.
You can pick that up when Cyborg and Supes are taking apart the motherbox. The way he responds with "So do I" would've had a bigger emotional payoff had they released the original movie.

After reading all the posts in this thread, I can honestly say the Marvel side won this argument, by a landslide.

Wow congrats on being a total fucking retard. How was Donner Superman such a huge success if what you’re saying is true? How has Supes stuck around as a worldwide icon for 80+ years you fucking retard? No one gives a shit about Black Widow or Hawkeye lmao.

I think Lex Luthor henchwoman. She looked cute with glasses but without them she look like a completely different person.

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>People can’t relate to Superman
>Yet somehow Superman also birthed the entire superhero genre, founded the comic book movie genre, eclipsed all other heroes in total sales, became a worldwide phenomena that even shitskins in Third World countries know about, and even added new words to the fucking English language (Brainiac, Bizarro, Kryptonite)
Jesus Christ how fucking retarded can you possibly be? Supes is still one of the most popular and well loved capeshit heroes in the world. He’s so fucking popular he SPAWNED CAPESHIT AS A GENRE. Good God you are a fucking retard. The DCEU failed because Snyder’s a hack. Superman was barely even fucking in BVS or JL, those were fucking Batman movies.

No Faora...
guess it would've been an easy win with her in there.

>DC ((super)) heroes are boring and 2d
>Marvel ((super)) heroes are exciting and flashy

Their target audience is

Snyder is a hack is such a popular phrase, yet no backing to it.
DCEU still exists though, so don't see it as failed.
Ahh I see you're one of those reviewers who parroted superman only says about 100 words, well you know what they say, i mean you obviously don't.
Actions speak louder than words, and they did, just continue to being a brainlet.
JL in it's current state is a fluke, and mainly the work of an actual hack director. He remade his avengers film with dc, and no one is praising it. Wheodon is not only a hack but is given the finger by the mcu and fanbase.

>top pic is everyone that has done a DC movie
>bottom pic is everyone still doing DC movies
Act like you've been here, idiot.

>snyder is a hack is such a popular phrase, yet no backing to it

look no further (). sucker punch was WB's wake up call and they chose to ignore it

Boring and 2d are the wrong words, but i get that they won't grab a young numales attention unless their is a minorities bulge showing.
Boring would be ironman, if you take him apart and really ask yourself, what is Ironman's tragedy, and of course the hack Stanley Lieber could only make him an alcoholic. Yawn, really how is that supposed make me pity a rich dude?
But you're right it does appeal more to a younger mindset audience.

Yeah they decided to release a different version, then the director's cut version gets far better reviews. That was wb's fault, they should've learned with watchmen how people had problems when they saw it in theaters but saw the director's cut and their opinion changed.
Same shit again with BvS, that's all on Wb, they fell for the RT meme when they stopped owning the site. Also they should've started paying someone on social media to pay attention to post algorithms because BvS release suffered from the scripted bot accounts that started rolling out during this time.
The 2016 election was a real eye opener for these accounts, you can see how the responses felt like as if it were an actual npc.

You know porn is free right?

you incels literally call anything that has black or female characters in it lefty

Caring about comic book movies and you call other people kids.
Probably wears tshirts with yoshi on them

Wtf is a film universe

Rehashing characters to be a different race just for the sake of diversity for the screen.
No the mcu is rightfully called lefty, there is no denying that one.

but you guys told me that go woke=go broke

Their movies are aimed at the lowest common denominator, most movies that made a lot of money are like that.

>movie has a black character
>WTF THIS IS FORCED DUHVURSITYYYYYYY
you incels are so easily triggered.

Only interesting DC character is Batman

it is forced.
It's okay that you're an incel that ended up liking the shitty mcu so much that you ended up shilling for pennies to free.
You thought it was a cool gig till now you are aware you're stuck with all the leftism hollywood has to dish out. Your choice for enjoying crap.
I will continue dabbing as you type the same reply here.

Bet you're the guy who goes with Samuel L jackson's comment saying dc has villans but Marbel has herows, yeah i heard that one before.
But what you fags fail to realize a hero is only interesting as their counterpart.
You guys don't have real compelling villans therefore no real heroes.
Unless you count the xD totally random loki, then congrats.

I can't imagine being this retarded and delusional.

marvel movies are aimed at children you can see this clearly with the writing
dc movies are also but to a lesser degree
the new stuff anyway
think of it like this you have 2 people selling popcorn next to each other same one offers 2x the butter over the other not surprisingly the popcorn is awful since it has too much butter but the "more is better" slogan keeps em coming in

you can't imagine it cause you already are.
You just can't stop getting dabbed on, can you?

>this thread

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cringe

I to would cringe after getting dabbed on then trying to get undabbed and get dabbed on again.
Then one more time.
3 dabs in less than an hour, you should consider kysing

Christian Bale
Heath Ledger
Gary Oldman
Joaquin Phoenix
That crossover actor who played Birdman, Batman, and Vulture
That guy who played Lex Luthor in Superman 78.

Here is my kicker. Out of all the Oscar winning actors and actresses MCU had, who gets to be the main lead? Gylenhaal and Ledger were all supporting characters and even Del Toro, and Bald tall girl from Doctor Strange didn't get to play the lead character. RDJ is still the symbol of the MCU while Oscar winners/nominees are practically secondary. As shit as current DC is, It is atleast self-aware that no Oscar winner/nominee would be with them til they get it right.

Marlon Brando is bigger than any of them.

1) DC handed their entire universe to a bad creative with a shitty vision for it so they were building off a rotten core
2) Their fallback creative was one almost as bad, that Marvel had already parted ways with
3) Instead of building up anticipation and demand, they wanted their big super blockbuster immediately without putting in any of the ground work and got the predictable results

That said, they've finally pivoted and are starting to find success because they've reversed this

Are you actually looking forward to Blacked Widow, Gayternals, She-Thor, and, um, Shang-Chi? Or is it all a bit?
Serious question btw

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Yes, no, yes, maybe

Thank you for answering. What are you looking forward to about She-Thor? Seems awful to me, they’ve run the character into the ground with the puerile fatsuits and anus jokes, I have zero investment left even before we getting in to him playing the butt of all jokes for a 85-lb jewess and the odious Tessa Thompson. Curious what you find appealing

gene hackman

Liked Thor Ragnarok, trust Taika to make something entertaining, don't dislike Tessa Thompson, don't dislike the Jane-Thor concept, think Portman is a massive coin flip of an actress but like her when you get the invested version instead of the phoning it in one

>Instead of building up anticipation and demand, they wanted their big super blockbuster immediately without putting in any of the ground work and got the predictable results
When will Redditors stop coming here and parroting this meme criticism? Marvel did 5 movies and then a team-up 4 years in. DC did 4 movies and then a team-up 4 years in. That isn’t the source of literally any of their problems, movies like Watchmen, X-Men, GotG, Incredibles, etc introduced more characters with far less foundation laid and nobody cried about it
Stop repeating inane arguments that fall apart if you think about them for even a couple of seconds

x-men is superior to marvel as a whole suck it faggot

>DC did 4 movies and then a team-up 4 years in

Batman v Superman was a team up and it was the second DCEU movie set up by nothing but Man of Steel.

I don’t disagree and that only reinforces my point. Calm down

just old x-men new shit is equally as bad as marvel shit

The only movie that DC has lost money on is Justice League, dumbass

BvS has a total of three heroes with speaking roles, one of which was a bit role á la ScarJo in Iron Man 2. Meanwhile, something like Civil War throws Black Panther and Spider-Man in on top of an already extremely crowded ensemble with no prior foundation. You’re being unreasonable if you think this critique bears any weight whatsoever

DC is more successful than Marvel in literally everything except live-action movies

Holy fucking cope

Wow, Marvel's HIGHEST rated movies are better than DC's LOWEST rated movies, who would have thought

I do admire how connected all the movies are in the MCU, but the movies themselves are pure cringe

According to Rotten Tomatoes, Wonder Woman is better than basically every mcu movie

Marvel fags make me cringe so hard

>I am a GOD. I feel all powerful.

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Every DC solo film is kino

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DC was wildly successful until Snyder

>X-Men
This one is the ultimate ensemble superhero film. Its been that way since its inception. Neither Avengers or Justice League has that.

This.

Marvelfags are already coping but saying it's not really a DC film

Still hated MoS aesthetic. It goes against his character and not to mention you have nothing on your shoulders as a viewer when relating to his struggle.

Marvel does not exist. It's Disney now.
They keep the old name to lure old fans.

by* saying

The MCU is basically McDonald's at this point

DC comics will go out of business by 2020. Comics just aren't marketable and AT&T aren't going to keep wasting money on floppy books that nobody buys. Meanwhile Disney will keep throwing money away producing more shitty comics because they don't care about the loss of revenue when the movies are still profitable. Guarentee IDW will be publishing DC comics soon.

EVERYONE LOOK AND LAUGH AT THIS DC FAN

cope

>Why is Marvel highly successful and DC not successful?

One group of assholes accidentally stumbled across a formula for films that the common moron will always go see, the other group of assholes can't figure out how to properly copy it or adapt it to their own franchises.

Because we are not the man of steel.
You're supposed to relate to the people of metropolis and see that he's the only thing that stands between you and imminent doom.

>you guys

who? I mean, who's who on here, amirite? What's great about the concept of this site, contrarily to another more family friendly website I suspect you may come from, you can be anything through the content of your post. For example, a retarded non-subtle shill faggot. Or someone larping as one. Anything you feel like, really. But you'll always be user. So whatever the message you want to send tonight, we're all one and the same on here. You can catch up on the culture on knowyourmeme or encyclopedia dramatica. Happy continuation.

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>DC gets all the ones Marvel didn't want.
imagine being this delusional

DC and Marvel have about the same amount of famous actors in each movie, also most of the Marvel hero actors started out as nobodies

DC movies look like they're just trying to be better than Marvel.
Now, to be honest, i was a fan of Marvel movies since the first Iron Man...but they are becoming quite generic lately. Even the latest Avengers, as much as they were anticipated, were not that amazing.
DC has unironically stronger heroes and vilains, and yet they keep fucking up with JL, Suicide squad and others. I keep thinking it's because they don't have someone like Feige, and they seem to just be like "oh let's see if this one works, and then, we'll make 3 of those." but it never gets to that, does it?

>CW shit

Even if you hate marvel you can’t champion that low budget Capeshit shlock like you have points on the board. Those marvel shows are gonna be like 6 hour movies.

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J.J. Abrams/James Gunn gamble is pretty high stakes. I hope Abrams just stucking with producing. Gunn is a fun writer. He also wrote Scooby Doo 1&2, Tromeo and Juliet, and Snyder's Dawn of The Dead.

Because Rotten Tomatoes sabotages them

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I agree, it's a smart move. But let's see what they make of it. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was not that good, compared to the first. Having Kurt Russell and make him play ghost daddy or something was weak.

they will be like MCU movies that are like CW shows lmao

According to critics
Best Superhero Movie: The Dark Knight
Best Superhero Game: Arkham City
Best Superhero Show: Batman The Animated Series
How does Batchad do it?

The DC shows on Epix are actually p good.

i pirate them

DC shows look like a clan rally compared to the Netflix Marvel propaganda.

Isn't there just one

Is Arrow still going on? I dropped it years ago, i don't see anyone talking about it anymore.

That success is temporary, none of the newer movies looks appealing and they are putting effort on original cheap tv series, and all the cool super heroes are gone or dead, and they don't even have Spider-Man anymore.

Let Gunn do his thing.
Don't let abrams near anything, plays things way too safe and doesn't bring anything original to the table.

JL got the best gfx.
Fuck Marvel.

but abrams gets those sweet sweet money results

Arkham Asylum > Arkham City

That works fine with the disney movies. But wb has already tried safe, and it just bites them in the ass.
Most mcu fans won't touch dc, so they won't gather those set of numales. Then the actual fans don't want boring and safe, there's already a bunch of other movies like that.

>237 / 47 / 72 / 1

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no one insults my capeshit company

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Maybe, just did a playthrough of all the arkahm games aside from blackgate.
The only thing that pisses me off about Arkham knight aside from it being obviously red hood, is that the dialogue doesn't mix in well with where ever you are, such as, you talk to someone outside in the rain, yet i feel like the voices are just being played at a higher volume than the environment, as if they didn't even try mixing it well. Hate that it was one of the first things I noticed.

Origins is underrated

Studio incompetence. That's really all it comes down to. DC's universe is just as rich and interesting as Marvel's, WB just had utterly no faith in it beyond Batman and to a lesser extent, Superman, up until a few years ago. They also hired a complete idiot to spearhead their cinematic universe while at the same time, imposing their bullshit on Snyder, as well as Ayer, which just created a big shitstew of a mess.

Snyder was probably the worst possible person they could have picked to shape their cinematic universe

Doomed them before they even started

The Fox X-Men movies where a better cinematic universe, X-Men works better as it's own story, and while there where some stinkers, the best X-Men movies are better than any MCU movie.

Good boss fights, but playing right after City, kinda annoying they recycled resources, but you gotta make the most out of your buck.
Besides Bethesda is guilty for using a game engine that is over 20 years old

probably because ian and stewart are better actors than any that will appear in marvel movies

I can't believe it took this many posts. It's all down to this. We have seen what studio incompetence can do to Marvel time and time again. We saw it this year when the X-Men, Marvels second biggest property after Spider-Man, made less than Shazam thanks to years of Fox shitting the bed. If DC had Feige they would be on top

The X-Men movies have the most inconsistent universe ever. You'd have to be a retard to think their cinematic universe was good.

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>DC comics will go out of business by 2020.
Sure they will user. DC is over a quarter of the market. If they go down the comic stores will go down with them and so will Marvel

Their cinematic universe was good because there were a number of entertaining movies and stories, that it was not autistically consistent was not a downside. Not caring about that shit is the correct approach, and also faithful to it's source material

>If DC had Feige they would be on top
Yeah, pretty much. Not even just THE Feige, if they had A Feige who understood, loved, and respected the source material as much as he does for Marvel's source material, their cinematic universe would be just as well-received.

Personally I just hope they can soft reboot and give us a proper DCCU soon. Or just hard reboot in like, 10 years or so.

>dude just turn off your brain

The simple reason why Marvel Comics Movies worked and DC Comics movies didn't is because unlike DC Comic Book characters, nobody knows who fuck most if not all of Marvel Characters were in the beginning and being unrecognisable gave them huge advantages when it came to making these movies as it allowed them to reinvent alot of their own characters as they saw fit.

It's reason why in my opinion Iron Man, Thor, Guardians Of Galaxy, Black Panther etc was so successful as not knowing who any of these characters were general public were able to watch them and enjoy them for what they were. Not knowing who they were or what to expect made it fun for everyone.

The only time that it wan't, the only time any of Marvel movies truely bombed were the two Hulk movies but again that was only because people knew who the character was thanks in large part to TV show. You couldn't change much about him as character as too many people thanks to tv show already had their own expections about character and that they tried to change it twice is what lead people to choose not go see it. Again unlike all other Marvel comic book characters they knew too much about him to enjoy a different take on him that went in another direction other than one we had all seen on TV show, ten, twenty years ago.

DC comic books suffers from same fate as Marvel Hulk movies that why all end up with extact same results, box office disappointments. Too many people know who Superman is, too many people know who Batman is. You can't try and change that or try to subvert people expections. That shit just won't work with general public. What will work is getting back to essence of what made original movies and tv shows successful, and just remake them all again for modern audience. Basically they should give people what they want. That all Warners Bros has to do to make DCU profitable again ...

Zack Snyder
Not a joke, his retarded edgelord tone and his fucked up worldbuilding is the original sin at the heart of the DCU which ironically (given how much he strokes it to Jesus imagery) there will never be a messiah to save it from. It’s just damned and rotten at the foundation.

It's incredible to me that Marvel can be as enormously successful as it isand make enjoyable movies with characters nobody ever heard of before 2008 (except for Spider-Man later) and DC, with fuckin' BATMAN and SUPERMAN and WONDERWOMAN, three of the most iconic super heroes of all time, would falter so damn hard.

Nope, it's just Disney

Explain three successful Batman movies and two successful Spiderman movies then.

DC is successful in the big picture.

All those Superman and Batman films alone.

Thinking those movie awards mean anything. Black panther was nominated due to the political and cultural climate. Coommore, you might coom yourself into an enlightened state.
Retard.

>box office disappointments
the first 7 dceu movies made more than the first 7 mcu movies

....and yet despite throwing BP and SM in with absolutely no buildup they still manage to establish a Peter Parker who is instantly beloved and has a strong relationship with Stark to carry forward into his own movie, while Panther has an entire character arc that’s pulled off so smoothly you could almost believe the movie is “Black Panther; civil war” but for the fact he has so little screen time.
By contrast in BvS can’t even carry off their main plot without the climactic fight becoming a complete joke and a meme (I refer of course to THAT moment) whilst Wonder Woman has no arc and serves only to make the statement that she exists and to be a vehicle for looking at trailers.

Fox-Men has the highest of highs with Logan and lowest of lows with X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Chris Nolan fucked up just not letting the Dark knight in the Justice League and the DCEU. he honesty didn't know what he was doing. The Dark Knight reboot held back DC.

DC’s big heroes are vastly more popular than Iron Man and Thor used to be; on paper they should be making more money.
Also the MCU’s first movies didn’t come out in an environment completely dominated by comic book movies; they built that culture themselves

>the most grounded and realistic Batman ever
>fighting aliens
Retarded

I hope Abrams does no directing duties. As a producer, he gets the most money from the execs. Where else can you see someone willing to spend his resources for a Tarantino Trek and Tom Cruise Mission Impossible films. As long as he doesn't get a hand on directing it will be ok. Gunn will be Gunn. All hail the writer of underdogs. Hope that DC gets Lord and Miller for their weirder lesser known heroes.

This doesn’t make sense even in terms of movies. The only DC movie that has ever bombed was Justice League. On TV they have the entire CW-verse, Preacher, Watchmen, Lucifer, and the upcoming Y: The last Man.
Comics wise they continue to put up big numbers, especially their big event book, Doomsday Clock.

Not to mention the crazy amount of DC animated films and shows come out every year.

Hopefully just that, if not they can find someone else.
Pleb filter

DC went the dumb route route of hiring Zak Snyder to quarterback it, despite the appeal of his movies not being as broad, and then let him make the outlines, but just pussied out of everything he tried to do and tried to turn it around 700x times each film.
Disney had corporate run the show and just had corporate whores like Abrams sit in the chair.
BvS suicide squad, and man of steel were all poorly received. though they did okay numbers. still MCU box office total is significantly higher than DCU.

The popularity of the source material doesn’t translate. Literally just in the last year or two we had movies made of C-Listers like Captain Marvel, Aquaman, and Black Panther that made far more than any Superman, X-Men, Batman, Thor, or Spider-Man movie ever made in decades of films. It’s also obviously not down to quality, as the three aforementioned films are all quite bad, easily worse than the Raimi or Nolan films. It’s about 70% marketing and about 20% release window, that’s all there is to it

Poorly received but successes at the box office. No, not the big numbers Marvel puts up, but even then we’re talking $500 million vs $700 million in returns

DC holds 2 of the top 3 superhero spots, so IDK what you mean. WB just can't make good movies from their properties, it has nothing to do with DC Comics.

dc also spends way less on marketing

That is a 100% different argument than the idea that they rushed the team-up movie. Also, Iron Boy sucks and Black Panther was quite good in CW but everything from his costume to his characterization has been far worse in every follow-up

Marvel embraced the silliness and absurdity of the genre and let it be itself. DC tried to make it art.

If anything, Batman shouldn't be in the Justice League unless it involves fighting on Earth. Infinity War/Endgame pushed my limit when it comes to characters breathing in unhabitable territory.

Movies like The Avengers, Captain Marvel, Thor, etc cost wayyyyyy more than Suicide Squad, Man of Steel, Shazam, and Wonder Woman to make, plus marketing. Honestly if we wanted to get super autistic, I bet if we sat down and did the numbers available, returns wise, DC and Marvel put up the same or similar numbers.

Wolverine Origins is a bad movie but it's also not boring, it's entertaining bad. That honestly puts it above DC stuff and the worst of Marvel like Thor 2 and the Hulks

>Comics wise they continue to put up big numbers, especially their big event book, Doomsday Clock.
>Comics
>big numbers
No. They've halved their release numbers and shut down Vertigo. Not saying Marvel is doing any better since they're the ones single handedly killing comic shops by flooding the shelves with their garbage.

I honestly do not know why they double and tripled down on Snyder after Man of Steel was so obviously rejected by audiences

Fox does not hold back. That is the most likeable things of it's X-Men run. You either have spectacular failures or spectacular successes.

ITT: People not realizing how fucking expensive Marvel movies are to make and market.

?
Endgame did 2.8billion. Justice league did like 650million. Aquaman is their best at 1billion.
DCU totals at 5 billion. MCU has done over 22billion.
Also Justice League had a budget of $300million and an insane marketing push, it probably broke even at best. they aren't commercial flops but if you look at how they are trending, the poor reception of the films shows the next film having shitty box office numbers, MCU is doing the opposite. going up since 2008.
Endgame had approximately the same production budget as Justice league. Same as infity war and age of ultron. I think they were about $350mil. Justice league was $300mil.
they needed to either give him full creative control of the entire DCU with no if ands or buts, or pulled him from the project. he is not wheton or Abrams he makes movies like Watchmen and suckerpunch not fucking disney shit.

I wish we have a Full Moon Features Superhero Universe. Everything is way too high/mid-budget now.

They didn't half the numbers and Vertigo has been dead for years, the last attempt at revival was a still birth. They have a whole line of Horror comics headed by Stephen kings son starting in a month or so then there's Young Animal and the Sandman universe that's not part of the main line.

Stop believing the Wikipedia numbers and do actual digging. Endgame ALONE likely cost $1.5 billion to make if you factor in everything. Compare that to The Dark Knight which likely totally cost $200 million to make.
Educate yourself on how money works in Hollywood.

>Not Disney shit
Ironically, The Incredibles by Brad Bird is a Disney product that isn't from a previous IP.

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those are production budgets. the general rule is to double it. I see no reason to believe Disney is spending more on marketing than DC on a film to film basis. Endgame probably cost about $650 million with marketing. they also shared a lot of production with infity war which helped.
Dark Knight is not DCU. I also love
>educate yourself.
is your go to instead of like a credible source.

okay, this is fucking based - glad to have u on the winning team, brotha

Oh nice more shit that'll sell 40,000. Like I already said IDW will be publishing DC books by 2020.

Movie box office sure, but quality? DC by a country mile. A History of Violence and Road To Perdition (both DC properties) shit on anything Marvel has ever made.
Speaking of quality, DC made what it considered to be the pinnacle of Western Animated TV in BTAS.

Constantine and suicide squad animation movies were kino

>posts on /aspergers/
Why would you ever admit this?

>Fox does not hold back
>too embarrassed of their own characters to have them wear the iconic costumes
Daily reminder we never once saw Jackman wear anything close to the true blue and yellow Wolvie threads.

brown and yellow*

The only movie that matters in the 2000s The Joker

Comic costumes are lame, they didn't use them for a reason. I don't want Wolverine looking like bad cosplay.

They ditched the tacticool black leather ages ago and switched to comic-like costumes anyway.

that is good though.
they fixed it.

Comics wise, Marvel has never really reached the heights DC has. DC really hit a stride in the 80’s and 90’s with shit like Swamp Thing, Constantine, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, The Sandman, Lucifer, Preacher, and Starman. Even their standard Capeshit comic “runs” have been critically acclaimed.
DC still has never really acted on their successful stories. The characters, sure, but the adaptations tell different stories.

>MCU box office total is significantly higher than DCU
no shit, it has more than 3 times the movies

Next person that talks about actual comic books gets a swirly.

Aquaman is not a C-lister lol

>Oh nice more shit that'll sell 40,000.
Oh sorry you could have just said you were a retard. Comic sales are so small 40k would be great for books outside the main line. You can stop pretending you know what you're talking about now

>DC made what it considered to be the pinnacle of Western Animated TV in BTAS.
The DCAU is all the proof you need that DC characters can be adapted just as easily as Marvel's if they're being handled by people who care. It also shows how Superman is how you tie all of it together, not Batman

and...? The last three MCU movies beat the entire DCU at the box office despite being entrys like 19-22 while DCU lost steam in only a couple. Not making movies is even less successful than making movies that don't do as well.

40k is shit and will not keep AT&T from dropping DC comics. You can stop being delusional now.

Ah yes. Companies, famous for their hatred of valuable IP, are definitely looking for reasons to throw the second biggest comic book IP farm in the trash.

I'm talking about publishing dumbass. Now who doesn't know what he's talking about?

>40k is shit
Oh shit I guess Marvel is going to sell Iron Man because it only sells 30k!
You're embarrassing yourself.

The first 7 dceu movies made more than the first 7 mcu movies

You

and? they were riding MCU success until they crashed with no survivors. comparing years, they are all more recent and did not do as well as MCU movies released the same year.

Like I already said Disney doesn't give a shit about the comic sales since the shitty movies are doing well. AT&T isn't Disney they don't give a shit about floppy books when they can make movies using the characters.
(You)

Still craving for my dick dccuck?

Aquaman made more than Captain Marvel and FFH

Aquaman made more than Spider-Man. Even with it's disgusting desperate rerelease

>they were riding MCU success
this

>Disney doesn't care about comics so they will keeps publishing them
>AT&T doesn't care about comics so they wont keep publishing them
>Source : Just trust me bro

>Why is Marvel highly successful and DC not successful?
Blame Tom King for crashing Batman with no survivors. Aside from that, DC's been doing fairly well. Marvel recently has been churning out All-New #1 for years now, and don't forget putting out that months-long Graphic Novel sale on comiXology, then claiming they're the top sellers of the quarter. It's shit like this that made me stop reading Marlel.

I have another reason with DC altogether. Bringing in Bendis and Tom King was the worst desicion they made but that's a far cry from Marvel's sad excuse of pandering and SJW-baiting.

So no, Marvel isn't successful, you MCUck.

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AT&T isn't Disney. Disney blows more money on shitty Mickey Mouse merchandise than Marvel Comics wastes on shitty comics.

Yeah keep believing that mcucks

>Just trust me bro

Yeah keep believing that dcucks

Can't wait until IDW is publishing Batman books and Marvel Comics end up being gay YA shit. Comic book fanboys are the most delusional retards on earth.

Yes, Aquaman, DCs sole movie to break a billion, was 20 million over spiderman and captain marvel. for almost 2% more.
Now this cherry pick proves alot. As Aquaman was the only DCU movie in 2018. And failed to beat either 2018 MCU movie, with Black Panther narrowly beating it and Infinity war just about doubling it. For MCU to have about 3x the box office that year. Now in 2019, Shazam is the only DCU film, doing 300million compared to a combined total of 5 billion.
I hate all capeshit and want it all to fail. I am just saying.

> compared to a combined total of 5 billion.
meant to say of the 3 MCU movies to come out this year.

The funny thing here is that Disney has actually got comics being published by IDW instead of Marvel

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They both seem pretty popular.

Could you define success, op?

Embarrassing but also more proof that comics are dead. Can't wait for the collapse already.

>DCs sole movie to break a billion
DC were the first to make a billion with The Dark Knight

Not if the contest is dogshit oriented

Aquaman beat Ant-man 2 and that came out 2018

The DCEU is among the top 10 biggest franchises of all time with a lot more movies to come. It's going to get to 4th at least and you guys will still be here crying about how it failed

Everybody always forgets Ant-Man

sorry I forgot the U there you clever obtuse retard.
damn forgot that even fucking existed. Guess that claim is technically wrong then. Though all it proves is the MCU made even more money than I thought in 2018.

>Total number of superheroes in DC
>794
Bullshit. There's 97 members of the Legion of Superheroes alone

And 92 Green Lanterns