Why does marvel keep killing of villains in the MCU?

>RLM doesn't make a review
>"I wonder when that new Spiderman movie comes out?"
>after a while "Oh I guess it was out."
Don't those fucking jerks know they have a responsibility?

>Mysterio is dead
believe me Sony will bring him and Keaton back for a Sinister 6 movie

I'd say him sending that viral video shows he was indeed alive.

so sony has the rights to keatons vulture? also he was the best villian

Well, they better find four more actors that can match Keaton and Gyllenhaal then. Can it be done?

all the spiderman films including MCU ones were sony films

i thought the bald scientist guy sent that out, also him reviling his secret identity was stupid

Gylenhaal is too expensive, dumbfucks, that’s the real reason

scene could easily be ignored since its an after credits scene. bullshitted as a dream even.

it's easy enough to suggest a villain known for deception is still alive

Except it clearly showed him speaking of the events after his plan was foiled. I'm sure he probably just did a thing that slowed his heart.

Loki was really only a villain in the Avengers. Then when the franchise really took off they retconned him (and the tesseract AND his staff being an infinity stone) into being a bumbling little brother to Thunder Chad.

maybe, the whole movie screamed low effort, and why was set in Europe? if they went to Paris it would make sense, spider-man swings from iconic Eiffel tower,! the whole movie could have been set in NY and it would not have changed, ok london bridge was pretty coll at the end tho

>why was set in Europe?
poor attempt at Parker goes on school trip but I genuinely believe it was decided in a focus group to gain interest in Europe.

saying that I think the movie benefitted having fight set pieces with famous back drops

Because it's never been done before. Six Spiderman movies are all set in NY. Shit is old. That was one of my favorite things about Venom.

except the most iconic city in Europe, Paris

idris elba will play the other four

If you mean torrent I DL’d the yify upload this morning. But there’s a weird pixelated sq in the top left which is oddly out of character.
Also why is it nearly impossible to find 4K torrents?

maybe France didn't offer money to Sony in grants

I was in a focus group through some company and we had to watch spider-man homecoming trailers the year it came out. They separate the groups by gender and some times political affiliations. We each got paid $100 to just give our opinions. My friend who was in the same group said that there wasn’t enough explosions just to fuck around (we just wanted the cash)

Then the far from home ending fight is mostly explosions. Not lying when I say these things are fucking retarded, we just want the free $100 lmao.

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this is what i mean, gone is the idea of a movie based on a iconic hero that every one loves, in comes politics, its not a spiderman film any more its a product

Part of me wants to believe it's because all the Avengers are on high alert seeing how Endgame resolved like a week before FFH and everybody would've caught onto Mysterio's bs right away. Notice how he also never stayed in an area for long. A real Avenger like Dr Strange, Thor, Professor Hulk, etc would've destroyed his toys the first time he showed up

lmao

Scorpion went to jail as well and Abomination is still alive, so is Leader.
Quentin Beck doesn't need to survive for Mysterio to carry on, BOX OF SCRAPS guy took off with the software.

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>Scorpion
Scorpion ? what was he in?

Wouldn't call that a retcon when he was already conflicted in his introductory movie.

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>Leader.
haha forgot about him

probably because the only way they could get Jake was by promising his role as a one and done.

Homecoming. Part of the weapons deal aboard the ferry. Also threatens Vulture at the end.

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was that scorpion? wow didnt know that

Look at this neck. Also, he's identified as Mac Gargan when Peter's suit AI scans him, IIRC.

>already got Scorpion, Vulture and Mysterio
>easily include Venom spawn like Carnage or another for 4th
literally just 2 villains short of sinister 6

next film will introduce octopus man

oh ok i might need to go back and watch that film again

>Because nobody wants to see the same bad guy come back in multiple movies
If they are crappy and one-note. Had Ledger not ODed like a crank head, Nolan's 3rd Batman movie would make 1.5 billion.

Hmmmm bros... where the fuck was dr strange ... he literally just had to make a portal and stop the illusions... bros.. what the fuck?? ??

>next film will introduce octopus man
But how can they ever hope to top Alfred fucking Molina?
Also the black guy that Spiderman interrogates and sticky-webs to his car with the groceries is going to become The Prowler

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Multiverse shit is way bigger than some conman in Europe.

>wanting to neuter Carnage by putting him with 5 other villains instead of making him the primary antagonist of a movie

Should be Kraven, Doc Ock and Electro.

According to Fury-Talos, unavailable. Or Talos just didn't want to call him in. He and his mate were quite embarassed at the end for bungling being Fury's vacation replacements.

>where the fuck was dr strange
Probably dealing with bigger fish, saving our fucking reality

>nobody wants to see the same bad guy come back in multiple movies
>tfw

Guess what you're getting for Aquafag 2?... Black Manta again! And you're gonna like it.

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i like when far from home was announced the click bait sites were full of "multiverse exist in the MCU" clearing not know who mysterio was

That post-credits twist was just atrocious and the movie is better if you do not watch it

>Black Manta
he was the stand out in sea thor

Makes Nick Fury an idiot who doesn't want to call in any of even the secondary Avengers but OK.

But it wasn't Nick Fury at all.

Which you only learn after the credits, so if you take out the scene, you introduce a plothole.

Oh yeah. I didn't read the reply chain.

i guessed that shit twist from the beginning

Okay, what's so bad about confirming it then?

You can make that argument for nearly every single MCU movie, so who gives a shit at this point. To justify it, I'm sure you could just say that he was trying to make Spider-man prove himself without relying on others, since they're trying to build him up to be Iron Man's replacement.

nothing its just a shit twist

We already have
1.Scorpion (Mac Gargan, mexican guy in jail)
2.Vulture (Michael Keaton)
3.Mysterio (Jake Gyllenhall, unless someone else takes the name otherwise he faked his own death)
4.The Prowler (black guy with groceries who Spiderman stickied to his car)
5.And let's not forget The Shocker is still alive (black guy who took over the name after Vulture disintegrated his henchman that wore the gloves)
All have been introduced except for Doctor Octopus, and honestly I'd like him to get his own movie and be developed before they go for the sinister 6.

>Spiderman Vs. Doctor Octopus movie
>after credits
>Doc Ock sitting in his cell
>guy in the next cell gets his attention
>"we're putting together a team"

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he ends up rely on tony starks tech any way

>To justify it, I'm sure you could just say that he was trying to make Spider-man prove himself without relying on others, since they're trying to build him up to be Iron Man's replacement.
But they justified it with Talos being embarassed about not being Nick Fury's perfect vacation replacement.

I think they just stuck it in to close a bunch of holes in the plot like "well nick fury is smart why didn't he see through Mysterio's bullshit?"
The answer now is "because it wasn't nick fury at all"
That's really the only reason they shoehorned it in.

why the fuck is every baddie just another disgruntled stark employee?

also mysterio never died they made this really fucking obvious. HAVE MY CAPE READY DAMMIT. IM STILL IN MY MOCAP SUIT ON THE BRIDGE. OH NO ITS SPIDEY IM SUDDENLY IN FULL GEAR.

use your fucking brain

i was hoping it was chameleon and he was trying to steal the glasses too for hive or some other super villian group

Sure, but that's pretty much who Spider-man is in the MCU anyways. He proved himself without it at the end of Homecoming, but in every other moment of action in the MCU he's been in a Stark suit. Civil War, most of Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame, and all of FFH. I don't like what they've done with him as he's not his own character in this universe, but what can you do.

peter used the glasses to scan his vitals

Chameleon is in the movie. As a regular SHIELD agent though.

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peter hardly fucking knows how to use the glasses plus mysterio's team had them long enough to tamper

thats what pisses me off, kind of thankful sony pulled the plug on the marvel deal

This. Two things to consider:

>It's fucking Mysterio
and
>We already know they're building the Sinister Six because of Homecoming's post-credits

>also mysterio never died they made this really fucking obvious. HAVE MY CAPE READY DAMMIT. IM STILL IN MY MOCAP SUIT ON THE BRIDGE. OH NO ITS SPIDEY IM SUDDENLY IN FULL GEAR.
>use your fucking brain

BOX OF SCRAPS man made off with the software. The software that could produce lifelike holograms and synthesize speech. Quentin Beck can well be dead for Mysterio to carry on.

>why the fuck is every baddie just another disgruntled stark employee?
I'm hoping now that he's dead this bullshit will stop. It was getting on my nerves too how much everything revolves around stark.
>Vulture is disgruntled because Stark didn't let him clean up new york
>Mysterio because stark hurt his wittle feewings
>Ultron because Stark (not Hank Pym!) tried to experiment with AI
>All 3 iron man movies had villain as corporate suits who Tony Stark pissed off

Actually that would have been a good fucking twist

thanks for the spoiler asshole

the after credits scene is him reporting to a bigger villain like kingpin or some one like that

If you haven't watched it by now you kind of deserve to have it spoiled

>spoiler
>for something that you can download any minute IN a minute

>Plot twist Peter Parker's best friend turns out to be The Kingpin
>"IT WAS ME PARKER! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!!"

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it would answer how he was able to pull that hot blonde number

You forgot the Civil War.

FFH was 8 months after Endgame
You only think that because everyone in the movie acts like Tony just died because Feige cares more about audience relatability than verisimilitude

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Ultron became a Stark creation because Pym hadn't been introduced.

Mysterio is a disgruntled Stark employee because they introduced lifelike holotech in Civil War, befitting him, and with the level of tech he's using it's more credible that he's working with a special effects team than doing it all on his own.

Obadiah Stane was introduced in the MCU as Tony's mentor to give him easy access to an Iron Monger suit. He conspires with the Ten Rings Not-Taliban because it was the flavour of the time the movie came out. Also the delicious irony that the Taliban are using his own weapons.

Ivan Vanko is introduced as the son of a shunned inventor whom Howard Stark leeched his ideas off to introduce conflict after Iron Man 1 and show it's not all sunshine and roses with the Stark family just because Tony is having second thoughts about selling weapons around the world.

Aldrich Killian wasn't a corporate suit when Tony pissed him off, but being left outside by a poncey playboy is what gave him the incentive to turn his life around. Could've stopped there, but settled for revenge instead, playing into Tony's fears by introducting a leading figure to the Ten Rings, the Osamandarin Laden.

Yeah, no-one wants to have iconic movie villains like Darth Vader anymore.

I'm glad that disney lost. If sony pulls him out of the MCU but keeps holland, they might be able to come full circle and evolve him into the real spider-man, the lead of his own series. No more being tied to the avengers, just move on with him, and we'd have a Spider-Man that dipped his toes in the mcu without being cemented in it.

Pls I need Sinister six movie.

So that's a wig in the movies huh?
You'd be amazed how many slobs have decent looking girlfriends.

you forgot justin hammer

>Lex Luthor
>Magneto
>Darth Vader
>Voldemort
>Megatron

Because they're trash. Why would you keep garbage? Just throw it out bruh.. also
>MCU
>"villains"
hahaha

Yeah but Hammer chiefly targets Stark Industries because through Vanko he feels he has leverage to eliminate the competition. He doesn't have anything against Tony personally iirc. He simply wants Stark Industries to go under so his inferior tech gets more contracts with the military.

vulture is the best villain, followed by Hela, that is all

Are you really trying to compare fucking Mysterio to any of those?

I think it's funny how stark ended up being the franchise's messiah, but his ego was so big and he was such a prick that he left a bunch of salty villains in his wake.

"DEH!"

i want a villain that hates stark cause he fuck his wife or something

>He doesn't have anything against Tony personally iirc
He was very clearly vindictive against Tony in the movie. Justin saw them as competitors, while Tony didn't pay him any mind at all. Plus Tony completely embarrassed him in the courtroom scene where he exposed Hammer's failed attempts at creating the Iron Man suit.

It could work if not for disney.

>Earth loves Stank
>Stank dies saving Universe
>Entire planet mourns for possibly years
That shit is entirely believable. I think you just wanted to use the new word you learned today.

They toned it down later but he always was a real prick. A likable prick, but still...
Funny how much everyone loves Hela when Surtur was really the one that fucked up all of Asgard forever and was really the one to defeat Thor AND Hela in the end.
Surtur is very underrated for all he accomplished.

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Different user but I think it's funny everyone worships Stark when Hulk revived them all and gets zero recognition for it. Probably ties back with the fact that without Stark, they wouldn't have had a replacement gauntlet anyway.

>Funny how much everyone loves Hela when Surtur was really the one that fucked up all of Asgard forever and was really the one to defeat Thor AND Hela in the end.
>Surtur is very underrated for all he accomplished.
ill give u that but Hela killed people cause she wanted to, she didn't do it cause of some moral out rage but cause she was evil and wanted Asgard to be evil again

the anti snap is the worse thing to happen, can u imagine the damage it had done, probably more damage than thano's original snap

>she didn't do it cause of some moral out rage but cause she was evil and wanted Asgard to be evil again
Point of view but all she wanted was for Asgard to go back to conquering kingdoms and civilizations to increase their greatness.
She just didn't know where to stop

1) Keeping villains alive requires clever writing about why the hero doesn't just kill them or why they aren't locked up for life. MCU writers are shit and can't do this.
2) Disney doesn't want to be stuck with anymore Robert Downie situations where they have to shell out millions to single actors for extended movies unless they luck out and get an unknown who winds up being popular (and bought for cheap) like Lokis actor.

I don't think Hela is loved for being a great villain, but rather showing off that Cate "Galadriel" Blanchett makes for a sexy goth mommy.
Vulture meanwhile is loved because he is a blue collar worker who displays character, not wanting to rat out Pete even when Scorpion threatens him.
Which is one of the reasons 2014 Thanos decides to wipe the slate clean this time.

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Beck's death was left ambiguous but he might as well be dead since Spidey is out of the MCU

thats what i liked about her, she wasnt some mental broken person, she was sure on what she wanted and she had the power to back it up, tho she did kill the heroes three

He merely asked if all illusions were down

This is true. I thought about this a lot after Endgame. Imagine half of the world's population being wiped out and having to restructure our entire society to accommodate for it. Then imagine that once we've finally found some semblance of normalcy in our new reality, every single person comes back and our population nearly doubles. How the hell do they normalize that shit again? It would actually make for a fascinating series. They should do something like that instead of shilling Ms. Marvel and other shit no one cares about on Disney+

ok i thought he scanned his vitals

>Keeping villains alive requires clever writing about why the hero doesn't just kill them or why they aren't locked up for life.
Mysterio has zero real life powers. He can be locked up easily.

>Disney doesn't want to be stuck with anymore Robert Downie situations where they have to shell out millions to single actors for extended movies unless they luck out and get an unknown who winds up being popular (and bought for cheap) like Lokis actor.

How much do you think does it cost to bring back Samuel L Jackson all the time?

Quentin Beck is a Spider-Man character, so Spidey being out fo the MCU plays no role in this at all. Sony can keep using him all they like if they so desire.

Well, yeah, and it's funny to think that for a long time Odin actually encouraged her and used her to conquer and rule with an iron fist.
Makes you wonder if Odin hadn't calmed down he probably would've raised Thor to also be a war-mongering conqueror, hungry for power

most people come back the exact place in which they disappeared, so imagine if u got snapped while in a plane over the pacific ocean

>How much do you think does it cost to bring back Samuel L Jackson all the time?
Can't be that much. He's always doing those Capital One commercials and I'm pretty sure they pay him in ham and cheese sandwiches

if u look at him im sure they do

Having a few people sacrifice themselves to reverse 9/11 half the planet probably would be solid year or more of sorrow for those people.

Or if you got snapped back into what used to be an empty space, but is now occupied by a brick wall. Actually the amount of people who got snapped back into existence simply to die immediately must have been staggering. Could make for another interesting bit of exploration into that reality. Could focus on a family that lost their kid five years ago, but then found out that he got un-snapped, but then immediately killed by a moving truck because he'd been crossing the street during the snap.

or babies that got snapped, or people in the middle of sex, moving cars, in surgery, this didnt just happen on earth remember, how many aliens snapped back into empty space

It's kino if they do it right

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Pic unrelated. His cameo in TDK was alright but his cameo in TDKR was cringey and out of character. Would've made more sense if it was Two Face who was ironically the one who was killed off.

Damnit The Joker should've been the judge
It would've been glorious!
Why'd Ledger have to die?

that was the plan but yer it sucks

Wasn't his cameo in TDKR supposed to be the Joker? And that's why he acts like that? Or was that a rumor

Actors don't want to be tied up to a dying children franchise with zero (0) good movies so far

I recall it was supposed to be Bane and his goons going to Arkham to release everyone, but then leave Joker there because MOM'S GONNA FREAK!

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>a fucking cgi gun
Jesus Christ

This guy is the second best character in the Nolan movies, he was great

>wtf there's no stakes in the mcu
>wtf villains keep dying in the mcu

Because marvel villains are one-dimentional and only can last for one movie. Just look what they did to Thanos lol. Literally the only memorable one and they turned him into a joke.

Literally a retard

You're overthinking this. If you have full control over what happens when you snap then you just have to will that everyone appears in a safe place when they're brought back. I don't know if that's what happened in Endgame or not, but I don't think there's any reason for us to care when the filmmakers clearly don't.

what boggles my mind is that they cgied the ice bucket in the back ground

true, i am overthinking it

Thanos is the closest thing the MCU has had to a good villain (not even great, just good), and they managed to completely butcher him in his second and final appearance. It's almost an accomplishment for the MCU to be so thoroughly devoid of anything resembling sincerity or consistency.

so why didnt he snap spiderman and co back to earth

>CGI gun
Fucking hell aren't there Prop Masters in Hollywood anymore?