It's another "X-MEN needs to end" movie

>It's just like The Last Jedi, destroy the Jedi text, but then rey steals them!

are you guys ever going to actually watch this movie

Point of X-men is wolverine. Without him x-men are a joke.

t. stupid retarded faggot

Magneto was right all along. if everyone had just followed him the dystopian future wouldn't have existed.

lol wrong. magneto and professor x are both a million times more powerful than wolverine.

Wrong.

>"X-MEN needs to end" movie
>Actually the end of x-men movies
Sounds pretty based to me.

You’re right. Inarguably right. Xavier is a white, heterosexual male. Not even his disability was enough to save him from this fate. The color of his skin was reason enough to tear him down. Not even Logan did him full justice. Even in it, he’s responsible for the deaths of all his students, and even though his dream endures, he dies not knowing that, instead he dies confused feeling betrayed, and not even deserving of one night of happiness.

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I love you.

The X-Men... need to end.

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It's an outragefag has a meltdown over something taken straight from the comics episode

Thanks user! Love you too!

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I'm laughing at how badly you misunderstood a ridiculously simple movie

Culture wars cause literal brain damage.

THE SACRED MUTANT SCHOOL

Isn't there a comic where logan goes crazy and kills everyone?

Where the fuck does Lauraposting originate from
Where can I get my own Laura folder to shitpost with

The X-Men series has some serious problems. First off, fundamentally Xavier is wrong. The comics always prove this because people just don't fucking like mutants, even nonhumans who interbreed with humans and then mutate still don't like mutants. Secondly, the movies keep treating everyone as superheros trying to be human rather than humans with superpowers trying to be heroes, which just so happens to be my biggest compliant with the entirety of the DCEU and for the most part DC comics.

Are you talking about your lefty friends?

Dark Phoenix wasn’t terrible. Disney just poisoned the release and made normies happy that they bought it even though Feige is looking to make it into a progressive jamboree with Xavier and Magneto being black and everything.

But it’s not straight from the comics. The movie implies that Charles’s dream was wrong from the outset and that he was basking in the glory the X-Men afforded him instead of continuing to champion tolerance and acceptance.

>Xavier royally fucked up in this movie
>he supressed Jeans memories, instead of giving her therapy
I never saw this one, but in the comics Chuck secretly used his power to block off Jean's telepathy so she couldn't use it because he thought it would be easier than training her to be a telepath.

The director took some great stabs st Disney in the movie, too. Who is it knocking the X-Men into a stupor, collaring them, and loading them aboard a large, nondescript train?

The Mutant Containment Unit, the guys wearing the MCU armbands. The “train” is the franchise, and just like it, it’s only truly distinguishing feature is its utter lack of features.

Wouldn't she incur a load of CGT or something receiving an estate like that for free

It started on /trash/.
>Where can I get my own Laura folder to shitpost with
There's sometimes Laura threads on Yea Forums or /bant/.

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>Dark Phoenix wasn’t terrible
it really really was though

No it doesn't you absolute brainlet. Not even once does it suggest that.

Why do you think the school was intact and flourishing at the end you utter moron, to show that the dream was wrong? It was showing that Xavier's arrogance got in the way of the dream, which surprise, is also from the comics - Xavier was kicked the fuck out of the X-Men for his abuses 15+ years ago.

Point taken. It’s the juxtaposition of arcs that’s fucking with me.

>The only way X-Men will be good is when the filmmakers start portraying Cyclops respectfully.
I don't know why they hate Cyclops so much? He's supposed to be a badass. In the old films he gets cucked and just disappears in XMEN2 without any explanation. In the new ones he's a powerless manlet. But the worst Cyclops was in Dark Phoenix, completely useless.

Cyclops is a 4 eyed nerd!!!!!

Old Man Logan by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven. It's what Logan was loosely """based""" off of.

what's your point retard

I think the train wreck represents the movie itself, it's like poetry. Also have you noticed when Magneto goes to attack Jean, he drags a subway wagon from underground and shoves it in the door of the building. Can anybody explain to me what was the point of this? Also apparently Jean is much stronger than Magneto and X combined, which is extremely stupid, but I guess that's the power of vagina on periods. Why did Magneto think he had any chance? Also I find it ridiculous how easily those X-MEN got subdued by police.

>0:03
>telegraph swipe
Aint hitting anything with that weak shit.

She has claws

That is what happens in TLJ though.
>Rey and Kylo reach out to each other inside the hut
>Luke tells Rey to leave his island
>Shouting at him to confess, Rey initiates a duel by whacking him on the back of the head
>Luke disarms her and throws her's and his sticks away
>Rey ignites Anakin's lightsaber right underneath his chin, making him fall on his ass
>Luke refuses to try and turn Kylo back to the light
>Rey leaves
>Luke, in a histrionic fit worthy of Hook as played by Dustin Hoffman, feels ready to finally burn down the Jedi tree.
>Yoda appears
>Stop_me_Smee_I_swear_this_time_I'll_do_it.png
>Yoda smiles and burns down the tree for him
>Then tells him the books were nothing special and that Rey already possesses everything nudge nudge wink wink
>later we see the books stashed away on board the Falcon

You don't like that his final fight is against a literal manifestation of everything Logan has always been afraid of becoming? A savage, primal animal used solely as a weapon?

And that he gave his life, in order to save children that were being groomed to become precisely that?

That the man died being that? A man? A man that lost EVERYTHING dear to him yet died giving hope to a younger version of himself that now has a chance to be something else?

I don't know that to tell you, maybe stick to Avengers movies and zingers and all that.

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This is true of the Fox movies, especially since Huge Jacked Man is so iconic. Cyclops and Jean will probably be the focus of the new ones. Or maybe completely different mutants entirely.

>Cyclops and Jean will probably be the focus of the new ones
if only.

Absurd. First Class was about Magneto and X, and it was awesome.

>I never saw this one, but in the comics Chuck secretly used his power to block off Jean's telepathy so she couldn't use it because he thought it would be easier than training her to be a telepath.
The comics suck.
Dark Phoenix is beter than everyhing the comics were

That weren't Prof X and Magneto.
Magneto allied with the Red SKull, he is still alive.
Prof X was killed by the Old Man Logan's apocalypse by either the Fantastic Four villains or Loki

The X-Men have such a vast roster of characters you could make 100 movies without ever using Wolverine.

>his final fight is against HIMSELF
Deep as fuck bro, I wasn't sure which Logan would win.

Just kidding it was a mediocre movie and the final act was bad. That fight in particular was a joke and you're delusional for defending it. All the villains are boring goons so we have no final fight! Well, the effects people say we can make another Logan in no time flat ...

>Nah your opinion is stupid and you're stupid and anything you do is stupid because you're stupid, stupid

This is how you sound.

>Just kidding it was a mediocre movie and the final act was bad. That fight in particular was a joke and you're delusional for defending it. All the villains are boring goons so we have no final fight! Well, the effects people say we can make another Logan in no time flat ...
We found the one that write fanfics about Charles and Erik...

Logan vs. asspull clone Logan is not an acceptable final villain fight. It's easily the worst of the series, there's nothing interesting about it. He's fought other weapon x projects multiple times before, always more interesting. Logan metaphorically fighting himself doesn't make sense because none of what happened to him or the other stryker victims was ever his fault.

>Logan vs. asspull clone Logan is not an acceptable final villain fight.
Yes, it is. X-24 is a more terrifying enemy than 99% of superhero movie villains. He was brutal.

>asspull clone Logan
The entire movie revolves around cloning mutants
>It's easily the worst of the series, there's nothing interesting about it.
To you, maybe. Logan was always his worst enemy. His savagery always kept loved ones at bay.
>He's fought other weapon x projects multiple times before, always more interesting
Like a brainwashed Lady Deathstrike? Sabretooth in Wolverine Origins? Fucking Deadpool in Wolverine Origins? The BLOB in Wolverine Origins? Really dude?
>Logan metaphorically fighting himself doesn't make sense because none of what happened to him or the other stryker victims was ever his fault.
It makes sense if you have seen any other X-Men movie before with Logan in it. His animal side always took a toll on his life.

Again, YOU may not like it (for whatever dumbass reason), but Logan is a great movie and the one the X-Universe should've ended with.

>Yes, it is. X-24 is a more terrifying enemy than 99% of superhero movie villains. He was brutal.
And Sentinels weren't brutal when they broke Colossus in half?
Or wasn't Magneto brutal when he almost genocided the human race in X-Men 2 (2003)
Or wasn't Juggernaut (in Deadpool of course) when he broke Deadpool in half too?!

It has a name? I wouldnt know since it's not much of a character. Just introduced and then killed off, it didn't feel brutal to me. Throwaway is more like it, like the cute little black family they spent 10 minutes introducing at the 90th minute just to make people sad when they all die. Do you consider them deep, compelling characters?

An identical clone is a shit final enemy and the worst yet metaphor for Logan's inner conflict. He was already fighting himself and his past in every battle vs. Sabretooth, x-23, or ryan reynolds. X-men origins was miles ahead of Logan as a movie about his personal struggle.

Not everybody is going to be a deep, compelling character, dumbass. Also, most villains are introduced and then killed off. You aren't making any kind of meaningful statement by bringing that up.

>X-men origins was miles ahead of Logan as a movie about his personal struggle.
kek jesus christ

>not canon
>based off of a comic book
Are u retard?

>most villains are introduced and then killed off
Like Stryker, Magneto, Sabretooth etc? Name one good villain that dies after a bare minimum of introduction. Even X-23 and strykers son in X2 got a couple awesome scenes to show how menacing they were.

Logan was all over the place dude. Critshits liked it because it was dusty and cynical and starred a little girl of color.

How about Obadiah Stane, Mysterio, Green Goblin, Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Two Face, etc. A villain doesn't need to be in multiple movies to be effective--especially considering the fact that the hero fucking dies in the end of Logan anyway.

Retarded qualification.

>But the worst Cyclops was in Dark Phoenix, completely useless.
those lips and trips thou

Enjoy your Wolverine Origins. I'll enjoy my Logan.

Done trying to beat sense into your dumb ass.

I didnt say multiple movies. I said more than a bare minimum of introduction. I haven't seen FFH but the rest of those are unique characters who play key roles in their films as central villains. "X24" is a mindless id who comes out of nowhere and exists for one fight. Even worse, they've done better representations of Logan's id like four times already.

X24 exists for more than one fight and he is a more effective villain given the context of the movie.

I really do. Logan is garbage, if it weren't raping such popular source material it probably never gets made.

Say more. What's more effective about him than Ryan Reynolds' bdsm deadpool?

Logan didn't "rape" anything, you retard.

The hype train existed entirely because of old man logan. Entirely because there was virtually no trace of OML in the movie.

Have you even read Old Man Logan before or do you make it a habit to talk out of your ass?

When I heard they were making a movie out of OML I got really hyped.

Then Yea Forums straightened me out.

Yeah, it has Mysterio and dinosaurs and old badass Green Arrow and an entire postapocalyptic USA and "the twist" which is a truly masterful conflict of Logan against himself. None of that made it into Logan sadly.

>Xavier was wrong
So he was forced to suck Magneto's fassbender?

How the fuck would the studio be able to replicate Old Man Logan? And how is Logan somehow worse for NOT being Old Man Logan? Use your fucking eyes, moron. If you went into Logan thinking that it was an adaptation of Old Man Logan, you paid no attention to the trailers or the mountain of promotional material that was available to you.

>When I heard they were making a movie out of OML I got really hyped.
You were lied to, because Logan was never said to be a 1 to 1 adaptation of Old Man Logan.

>None of that made it into Logan sadly.
Thank god. Logan actually had a well constructed narrative. Imagine if we had gotten hillbilly hulk eating wolverine instead.
Dodged a bullet there.

No, but he had to spell it in front everyone that he was wrong. It was embarrassing. Xavier did nothing wrong.

If there's one thing I have learned about comic book movies or shows, it's that some people want EVERYTHING in the movie to be the exact same as the comic, whether it makes sense aesthetically or narratively or not. The Boys is a good example, because the show does everything better, but people are still butthurt because it isn't a two-dimensional piece of trash like the comic was.

>it was never supposed to be old man logan
>just a loose adaptation
>it's in the Logan verse

Pathetic cope. This movie never gets made without OML, they skimmed off the popularity of the comic to make an almost unrelated "old hugh jackman" film.

>This movie never gets made without OML
No one said otherwise you autistic retard. Try actually reading the posts you quote.

I don't understand how they can't make better X-Men movies, besides X2 most of them are just shite, considering the source material they should be able to do better ffs

My point is, it raped the source material by being a non-adaptation that baited audiences with the book's popularity.

>Pathetic cope.
Why would I have to cope? I never thought this movie was going to be Old Man Logan, you retard.
>This movie never gets made without OML
Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing that Logan wasn't inspired by the comic. You're arguing against strawmen.
>they skimmed off the popularity of the comic
Yes, that's the point of adapting comic book movies, retard.

Did you HONESTLY believe, going into this movie, that it was an adaptation of Old Man Logan? Yes or no?

It's because the source material is good.
If the source is good then the movie has to be bad.
Think at how Superman source material is shit and they made BvS that's the best thing ever

Is it an adaptation or not? Your post takes both sides. Can't argue with you if you don't make sense.

First class > logan

>it raped the source materia
It didn't rape anything.
>by being a non-adaptation
It was never advertised as an adaptation of Old Man Logan.
>that baited audiences
How? Are you honestly going to pretend that the advertisements for Logan didn't clearly show that it wasn't an adaptation of Old Man Logan? The first trailer for the film is fucking famous. How can anybody with a working brain watch that trailer and go into the movie thinking it would be Old Man Logan?

Yikes it's really come to this. I'm gonna say I agree, first class had some cool powers and the story went . . somewhere.

>Is it an adaptation or not?
It's an adaptation of a comic book character. This adaptation was INSPIRED by the comic Old Man Logan. I am not taking both sides. This isn't rocket science, buddy.

I will ask you again, since you dodged the question the last time: Did you HONESTLY believe, going into this movie, that it was an adaptation of Old Man Logan? Yes or no?

We won't get an Old Man Logan movie now because we have Logan!! Maybe it never would have gotten a good adaptation, but the point is that an undeserving flick traded on the popularity of a great book.

A famous trailer, gimme a break. People getting excited about potential before they've seen the movie. Can't be assed for a memorable moment in the actual film.

I believed then, as now, that Logan cheaply ripped the future setting from OML to get people hype for the old logan movie. If you don't remember them being spoken about in the same sentence for years as this movie was being made, you're not much of a fan.

>We won't get an Old Man Logan movie now because we have Logan!!
I do not care.
>Maybe it never would have gotten a good adaptation, but the point is that an undeserving flick traded on the popularity of a great book.
Undeserving to you. I loved Logan. There was never going to be an adaptation of Old Man Logan, you retard. Fox didn't have the rights to the vast majority of the characters, even if they wanted to adapt Old Man Logan. Hugh Jackman also wasn't going to wait around forever. I don't know what your argument is.
>A famous trailer, gimme a break.
It was a famous trailer and it CLEARLY showed that Logan wasn't a 1 to 1 adaptation of Old Man Logan.
>People getting excited about potential before they've seen the movie. Can't be assed for a memorable moment in the actual film.
I don't care about your whining.

Your complaint is retarded. Old Man Logan could not possibly have been adapted, even if it would have been a better film. Logan was not Old Man Logan. One can tell from the promotional material that Logan was not Old Man Logan. You're crying over not getting something you were never told that you were going to get in the first place.

>this whole conversation about Logan
listen niggers, is dark phoenix worth watching or not?

Hate to break this to you but Millar's Old Man Logan...is not a good comic book. I'm glad we'll probably never get a proper adaptation.

>I believed then, as now, that Logan cheaply ripped the future setting from OML
That's like saying that Logan ripped off X-Men by having Wolverine and Charles Xavier in it.
>If you don't remember them being spoken about in the same sentence for years as this movie was being made
Then the promotional material and the trailers came out. Speculation does not equal fact, and movies change in development.

is there a good quality torrent of it? and if so is it worth even downloading?
only things i like about those xman movies is quicksilver but Dark Pheonix is always neat

>is dark phoenix worth watching or not?
Have you not been paying attention to that shit movie's reception at all?

Logan was 2 trained stage actors doing a loose interpretation of King Lear. The movie ended at the farm house scene.

Yes. You might as well if you've seen every other film

Nobody should ever want to have that shit comic adapted to a movie.
And you shouldn't

>like saying that Logan ripped off X-Men by having Wolverine and Charles Xavier in it.
If the X-men movies were about a diverse cast of friends trying to make it in the big city, I would indeed say that. Logan benefited from a hype train originating with the comic, it doesn't stand up on its own.

The idea that it's not source material or an adaptation because they made a completely different movie is . . oddly circular.

>too many monsters and explosions!
I think you guys are too old for capeshit. A24 slow burn might be more your speed.

It doesn't stand up according to you. It is a widely loved movie. You autisitically were expecting an adaptation that couldn't have possibly been adapted.

alright who's telling the truth

You say that as an insult while praising Wolverine Origins at the same time.

Guess who's the actual retard in this scenario.

Watch this then tell me you still want to see more.
youtube.com/watch?v=gwqcVe31GtQ

I wasn't expecting an adaptation. Your whole reading of this conversation is wrong. My point is that Logan is nothing, it's canon to a different timeline that won't be picked up again and the third act, aka the payoff, was a mess and bitterly disappointing. It looks like they ran out of time and money.

I don't care who loved it at the time, that's meaningless and quickly lost to history as a mid tier x-men movie.

The one who can't read? I'm in favor of monsters and explosions in my capeshit.

>My point is that Logan is nothing
Your point is shit.
>it's canon to a different timeline that won't be picked up again
I do not care.
>and the third act, aka the payoff, was a mess and bitterly disappointing
According to you, who wants an Old Man Logan adaptation, which would be a jumbled mess.
>I don't care who loved it at the time, that's meaningless and quickly lost to history as a mid tier x-men movie.
It's not "lost to history." Stop peddling your false narrative, faggot.

Can't throw everything, the conversation was pretty neat until she fucked it up with feminism. Is the movie about Charles becoming like Magneto? Why is Raven still with him after everything that happened kek

I just hope marvel really does something to the biggest mutant Fox couldn't get working: Gambit.

Could you get any more triggered? We're up to like 20 posts of retard this, dumdum that, whining crying and coping because I said Logan sucks. Sort yourself out son. It was a bad movie, no critic throwing a bone to capeshit, no super awesome theater viewing experience you had will change that.

>coping
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

>I'm in favor of monsters and explosions in my capeshit.
Exactly. Thus my response. I guess, you are the one who can't read.

Read those posts again, slowly this time.

>Is the movie about Charles becoming like Magneto?
No. Not at all.
>Why is Raven still with him after everything that happened
Because movie.

Sad to see McAvoy and Fassbender ending the saga like that. That casting was fucking based and it worked wonders when the scripts were decent (First Class and DoFP).
They still delivered decent acting on the latter two movies but the lines were shit.

Three mile island fight > Hugh jackman mirror match.

>The one who can't read? I'm in favor of monsters and explosions in my capeshit.
So Michael Bay fans are a thing...

Ok dude, peace.

The comic book is non-canon

>Charles becoming like Magneto? Why is Raven still with him after everything that happened
Oh my god!
This random ass plot it's better than the actual movie!
I would have loved to saw Charles becoming Magneto and Mystique forming the new X-People/Women!